Does ELOHIM Have An EL?

[Spying]

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Last Shabbat, I invited into my home an Elder of the Jehovah Witnesses. Accompanying this Elder were three Witnesses who have over the years blessed my home with their presence. They first came into my home accompanied by Elder Lee Johnson. Elder Johnson could huff and puff with the best of them against what he perceived to be my false teaching, but to his credit, he always was willing to come back for more debate concerning what he perceived to be the truth against what I was teaching against his truth.
Last Sabbath, their young Elder was compelled to ask me this question:

Does ELOHIM have an EL?

I answered: Yes!

With that response, the young Elder arouse and announced that he was leaving. Apparently, this is an idea concerning ELOHIM which allows for no fiurther discussion.
Tell me, if you will, why cannot ELOHIM have an EL?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[LucySmith]

why? do you continually dabble WITH these people Spying?

why not FULLY understand whom you are dealing with.....

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Jehovah%20Witnesses/jw.htm

why do you find religious ''babylon so atractive''?

i ask not to offend but i do wonder over this....
yes, preach the gospel to all men, then Yeshua said this..... good advice and a command.

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.

He never said to continually strive, war and argue , spit and spat over the gospel with others
Now other religious people well may do this.... BUT HE SAID... ''NO dont.''
HE SAID,''shake the dust from your feet''.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/false_religions.htm

come out from all religions...PLEASE.....
''COME OUT'' means this not go back in and out and in.....

an interesting word...DUST.
we are Told that the devil eats dust......

Gen 3 v 14 You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.

SHAKE THE DUST OFF YOUR FEET,...
DUST is THE devils food...

our feet.... LETS SEE.

Isaiah 52:7
How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of the messenger who brings goodnews, the good news of peace and salvation,

the gospel of PEACE AND GOODNEWS.... see this?

lets join some dots.

yes, ~~~~~
go preach the Goodnews to all the world [ the Gospel of Peace] but NEVER ALLOW the food of the devil to influence your goodnews of PEACE.

That is what you do.
the ''dust'' [FOOD] makes ''war'' on the gospel and NO PEACE IS present and where there is NO peace there is NO Saviour.
PLEASE....stop this ''religious head butting'' why?
it takes away your lifespirit.....
its not right and IT IS UGLY,


do WHAT THE MESSIAH SAID,. NOT WHAT IS ''ACCEPTED'' as some mad religious war of denominations.
denomination = devilish inspired.



should u think i am wrong and out of line...
consider 1 point in my favour.
i posted this at 7- 37pm... usa time and as i live 1/2 a world away in brisbane, i never know the time when i post
in bible numerics.
# 7 is complete/maturity/perfection.
#37 is the # of the Saviour and His work.

DO AS THE SAVIOUR SAID.not what vile religions accept as a war of denominations.

[ImAHebrew]

How long should one contend?

why not FULLY understand whom you are dealing with.....

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Jehovah%20Witnesses/jw.htm

why do you find religious ''babylon so atractive''?

i ask not to offend but i do wonder over this....
yes, preach the gospel to all men, then Yeshua said this..... good advice and a command.

He never said to continually strive, war and argue , spit and spat over the gospel with others
Now other religious people well may do this.... BUT HE SAID... ''NO dont.''
HE SAID,''shake the dust from your feet''.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/false_religions.htm

come out from all religions...PLEASE.....
''COME OUT'' means this not go back in and out and in.....

an interesting word...DUST.
we are Told that the devil eats dust......

SHAKE THE DUST OFF YOUR FEET,...
DUST is THE devils food...

our feet.... LETS SEE.

the gospel of PEACE AND GOODNEWS.... see this?

lets join some dots.

yes, ~~~~~
go preach the Goodnews to all the world [ the Gospel of Peace] but NEVER ALLOW the food of the devil to influence your goodnews of PEACE.

That is what you do.
the ''dust'' [FOOD] makes ''war'' on the gospel and NO PEACE IS present and where there is NO peace there is NO Saviour.
PLEASE....stop this ''religious head butting'' why?
it takes away your lifespirit.....
its not right and IT IS UGLY,

do WHAT THE MESSIAH SAID,. NOT WHAT IS ''ACCEPTED'' as some mad religious war of denominations.
denomination = devilish inspired.

should u think i am wrong and out of line...
consider 1 point in my favour.
i posted this at 7- 37pm... usa time and as i live 1/2 a world away in brisbane, i never know the time when i post
in bible numerics.
# 7 is complete/maturity/perfection.
#37 is the # of the Saviour and His work.

DO AS THE SAVIOUR SAID.not what vile religions accept as a war of denominations.

Shalom Lucy, I get where you are coming from, and it is very frustrating to debate and argue with no apparent results. But I must ask, how long did you argue and debate against the Truth before you realize you were wrong, and repented? Or have you always known the Truth? I have been contending for years with an associate/friend of mine and he has changed most of his views over the years to be more correct, but he just can't give up his thinking that somehow the blood of "Jesus" miraculously satisfies the debt of his sin. This we have contended about since I first met him over 30 years ago, and I still want him to see the Truth about Yeshua's shed blood, and that is why I still contend (but I have considered breaking it off and telling him I am done--shaking his dust from my feet). I think that as long as someone is willing to contend, we are obligated to continue, but when someone lets you know there is no need to further discuss their differences, then you should put an end to it...at least that is how I feel right now, as I know how difficult it is to come out from deception. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

[Spying]

The Patience Of YAHWEH!

Hi Lucy,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

This thread could develop into something rather good. From a young man, ELOHIM has been very important to me. I have searched in and struggled with HIS Word all my life, and LIFE NOW did not enter my thinking until right around the beginning of the century in which we now live. I guess one could say that I am a slow learner. I do know that there are numerous folks, the reincarnationists being among them, that believe that I am too carnal to come to any relevant spiritual understanding and truth. So, from their perspective, they believe that it is a waste of time to deal meaningfully with what I have to say. Other folks like the Jehovah Witnesses will listen for years and argue against what I have to say and always come back for more (maybe no longer?). Actually, I have learned to be patient with all who engage me not taking into account at all their motivation.

Messiah Yahushua commanded us to go forth and teach, and this very plain Scripture says that the Children of Spiritual Jerusalem will all be taught by YAHWEH:

Isaiah 54:13
13 And all thy children shall be taught of YAHWEH; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

If you are inclined to read between the lines here, can we not conclude that through Messiah Yahushua the true teachers of Messiah become YAHWEH? If so, then what should be the level of patience that we follow with those whom ELOHIM has brought into our presence in order that they be taught?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[LucySmith]

the trouble is.....................dear Spying.

despite ALL our rhetoric, [ religious culture/ traditional thinking/misinformation] = i now do what MESSIAH SAID in His gospel... this is now my core activity
, i dont look at any other reasonings.

now wait please... till i explain.

HE SAID ''FOLLOW ME'' right
- THIS PROBLEM came up,
this debate/arguing/striving to contend = came up because everyone does ''right'' in their own eyes.
everyone thinks I AM RIGHT I BELIEVE THE TRUTH....yet we know now this is not right

so debates begin and quickly turn heated, anger comes in and PEACE goes out the front door,
this is a true fact.

so MESSIAH said.... [paraphrased]
'' if the people don't listen and don't believe you, when you tell them the gospel, shake the dust [the devilish misconceptions they believe] from your feet and move on.

this statement of His, seems to suggest, a quickness about it, not a long drawn out dog fight and firey debates, and religious head butting.

lets re-run this,,,

a person invites us into their home we tell them the Gospel of Goodnews and Peace, they say'' dont be ridiculous'' whatever whatever............. so we move on.
this is His command.

and i know IT IS SO HARD TO FOLLOW HIS LOGIC in all things.
basically this is the reason why ''christendom is christless''

now i love your friendship and we have been thru thick and thin together over all these years,
but... this is my last word on this
HIS ADVICE IS MY reality - i do what He says WHY
THE REDEEMED do.

love ya babe

[Spying]

Peace Comes Through Righteous Activity!

Hi Lucy,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

I respect your explanation and your right to express your motivation for your action without further comment eventhough I do disagree with some of your ideas right here. Hopefully, I will be able to continue to write concerning this issue on this thread. I admit that I do get angry at some of the replies I receive, but my anger is very short lived. I rarely reply in anger to anyone, and I do not take offense at what is said to or about me as it is written:

Psalms 119:165
165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

You know that I love the Law (Torah)!

Thanking you for your comments, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr (Spying)

[Spying]

The EL Of The ELOHIM!

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Historical Christianity, and I do include the Jehovah's Witnesses in this statement, approach Messiah Yahushua from a human point of view. When they think of Messiah as being the Son Of ELOHIM, they first think of their own carnal human relationships, and being led by such thinking, they then assign various characteristics and roles to Messiah. The majority of historical Christianity confesses that Messiah was begotten of the Father before all worlds, and such confessors stress that Messiah was indeed begotten and not made. Jehovah's Witnesses on the other hand contend that Messiah Yahushua was made, that is, Messiah Yahushua was the very first being made by the Father. The Witnesses then go on to declare that the Father and Messiah Yahushua together made everything else that was made. We could go on and on right here because the basic issue for all such Christians is whether or not Messiah Yahushua as the Son has a beginning or an end. They are completely unaware that they all are thinking and debating and arguing about the relationship of the Father and the Son all according to our very human relationships.

Physical, carnal men can father children. These very physical fathers can generate both sons and daughters, but in human relationships, these sons can never be an exact duplicate of their father because all sons and daughters also receive their makeup from their mothers. We are all a combination of the spirit and flesh of our fathers and mothers. The spirit that we each receive from our parents is very old. It is very ancient because it is the spirit of YAHWEH ELOHIM HIMSELF that was emptied potentially into our first physical parents, Adam and Eve. This spirit of YAHWEH became divided when Adam and Eve were separated and given an existence apart from one another. The spirit is again united through the marriage of a male and a female whenever a son or a daughter is conceived in the womb of the female. It is therefore through the process of human reproduction that certain ELECT human beings incarnate into this world, and the incarnation of these beings is very important to the ELOHIM because these ELECT beings comprise the ages old family of YAHWEH ELOHIM. They are all Sons of ELOHIM through the marvelous work of Messiah Yahushua who has gathered us all together into ONE Body and Spirit through HIS death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection. This unity of the many into ONE is an exact copy or the exact image of the Ancient of Days before the unity of YAHWEH ELOHIM was destroyed by the rebellion of HaSatan and his minons. These evil spirits rebelled against the plan of the Ancient of Days to duplicate HIMSELF through giving up all that they once were in order that all of us might be renewed. The evil spirits had no desire to give up their power and authority, nor did they have any desire to share their spirit with anyone besides themselves in any renewal. Man is the solution to both of these problems. We are the solution, and this is why the ELOHIM are mindful of us. If the ELOHIM are mindful of mortal men, I say that it becomes evident to all that the ELOHIM do have an EL!

Thanking any in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[Eliyah]

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Historical Christianity, and I do include the Jehovah's Witnesses in this statement, approach Messiah Yahushua from a human point of view. When they think of Messiah as being the Son Of ELOHIM, they first think of their own carnal human relationships, and being led by such thinking, they then assign various characteristics and roles to Messiah. The majority of historical Christianity confesses that Messiah was begotten of the Father before all worlds, and such confessors stress that Messiah was indeed begotten and not made. Jehovah's Witnesses on the other hand contend that Messiah Yahushua was made, that is, Messiah Yahushua was the very first being made by the Father. The Witnesses then go on to declare that the Father and Messiah Yahushua together made everything else that was made. We could go on and on right here because the basic issue for all such Christians is whether or not Messiah Yahushua as the Son has a beginning or an end. They are completely unaware that they all are thinking and debating and arguing about the relationship of the Father and the Son all according to our very human relationships.

Physical, carnal men can father children. These very physical fathers can generate both sons and daughters, but in human relationships, these sons can never be an exact duplicate of their father because all sons and daughters also receive their makeup from their mothers. We are all a combination of the spirit and flesh of our fathers and mothers. The spirit that we each receive from our parents is very old. It is very ancient because it is the spirit of YAHWEH ELOHIM HIMSELF that was emptied potentially into our first physical parents, Adam and Eve. This spirit of YAHWEH became divided when Adam and Eve were separated and given an existence apart from one another. The spirit is again united through the marriage of a male and a female whenever a son or a daughter is conceived in the womb of the female. It is therefore through the process of human reproduction that certain ELECT human beings incarnate into this world, and the incarnation of these beings is very important to the ELOHIM because these ELECT beings comprise the ages old family of YAHWEH ELOHIM. They are all Sons of ELOHIM through the marvelous work of Messiah Yahushua who has gathered us all together into ONE Body and Spirit through HIS death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection. This unity of the many into ONE is an exact copy or the exact image of the Ancient of Days before the unity of YAHWEH ELOHIM was destroyed by the rebellion of HaSatan and his minons. These evil spirits rebelled against the plan of the Ancient of Days to duplicate HIMSELF through giving up all that they once were in order that all of us might be renewed. The evil spirits had no desire to give up their power and authority, nor did they have any desire to share their spirit with anyone besides themselves in any renewal. Man is the solution to both of these problems. We are the solution, and this is why the ELOHIM are mindful of us. If the ELOHIM are mindful of mortal men, I say that it becomes evident to all that the ELOHIM do have an EL!

Thanking any in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

Hmm, sounds a lot like the Mormon doctrines.

[Spying]

The Renewed And Restored YAHWEH ELOHIM!

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

For the information of all, the above teaching is my doctrine.

Thanking any Jehovah's Witnesses that should happen to read this thread and be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr