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  • here is a question.............................

    The NT tells a believer, THEY ARE IN THE WORLD, but not a part of the world.

    so my question is this, do the things of the world and elements of this world affect a believer such as time?

    In the world but not part of the World.
    there is so much revelation there to seek and find.

  • #2
    reasoning as a seeker of truth

    the middle verse of the entire bible is Ps 118 v 8.
    Psa 118:8 [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
    the 1 st adam trusted in the flesh and ALL HUMAN legacy [from adam] is always trust in the flesh.

    God is 2nd choice.
    however that is the world of Matrix-adam and not of the 2nd Adam -Jesus the EVERLASTING FATHER.
    PRIOR to this middle verse in v 5 we see this info.
    Psa 118:5 I called upon the LORD in distress: the LORD answered me, [and set me] in a large place.
    now the Adam Matrix allows all men to be 'distressed' at certain times this is Adam's world. However we can now ''see'' an alternative called ''set me in a large place''. = outside of adam's world of distress.
    there is a LARGE PLACE WE CAN BE SET IN OUTSIDE OF THE ADAMIC MATRIX DISTRESS
    true/false?

    now rememberning ''ye are NOT partakers OF THE WORLD'' [of the distresses of adamic matrix]-when we call out to be SET IN A LARGE PLACE.

    HAVE U CALLED OUT?


    THIS LARGE PLACE.
    1) to be or grow wide, be or grow large

    a) (Qal) to be widened, be enlarged

    b) (Niphal) broad or roomy pasture (participle)

    c) (Hiphil)

    1) to make large

    2) to enlarge
    SO we live in the world but are not partakers of this ruined world so we escape from it = we need to call out - to be set in a large place.
    how?
    believers in Christ are born of the Spirit John 3:5-6 so As we mature in the Lord our capacity for God enlarges our life into His life - we are set IN HIM.
    WE BECOME ENLARGED BY HIS SPIRIT IN US. LIKE JESUS.
    WAXING STRONG.

    ok with this truth in mind - does time exist now for Believers or have they really past time and space and into the eternal = are they now set in the large place of eternity?

    think it thru.

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    • #3
      ok have you thought it thru?

      if a believer is a partaker of the divine nature - is this an eternal thing?

      if a believer dwells in the large place of spiritual maturity as Jesus did whilst here - is his words ministry and nature an eternal thing- so do eternal things perish?

      if you are not a part of a perishing world any more are you now a part of the everlasting eternal world?

      in the eternal world who has the key to death and hell?[ rev 1.]
      would Jesus now determine who dies who lives?

      if Jesus does now determine this aspect who will Live who would still die?

      so do some more thinking.........

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      • #4
        If Jesus holds the key to death..[rev 1]

        He becomes THE AUTHORITY OVER DEATH [rather than the devil - who is defeated= Jesus took the key] so Jesus allows people to die
        but what kills people ?
        the carnal mind of death- carnalmindedness kills. [nt Romans 8]

        so if Jesus considers a person ''carnalminded'' they die.
        If Jesus considers a person no longer carnal minded - they live.

        so the carnalminded person - has not put on the mind of christ HERE.
        THEY have remained with the mind of rebellion. the mind of the 1st agent Adam still remains as their thinking pattern.

        is there another solution?


        The NT says ''let this mind BE IN YOU"" - the powerhouse life mind - a spiritual mind thinking the same as Jesus.
        This new mind is a new way of divine thinking just like Jesus thinks.
        would Jesus kill this person who thinks like He does?
        or would Jesus allow His life to manifest in this person forever....

        you decide.


        we have some clues.
        'be worthy to eacape''
        incorruptable seed
        transformation
        metamorphoo
        new creation.
        old man dead.
        reconcilliation
        redeemed
        salvation
        renewed.
        would Jesus allow death to overcome such a person who possessed these divine benefits?

        you have to decide.

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        • #5
          2 agents Adam and Jesus

          the 2nd agent abolished death - true or false?
          the 2nd agent has the keys to death- true or false?
          then we find this in romans.
          therefore - there is therefore NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE IN CHRIST JESUS WHO HAS SET ME FREE, FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH.
          the 2nd agent Jesus offers NO condemnation to those people who are IN HIM.
          righto are we on the same page here?
          see John 15 - the vine and the branch = those who are IN Christ Jesus,
          so, if Jesus has the key of hell and death, which way shall he turn them as you stand before HIM - under a no condemnation?

          in agent adam we stand condemned
          in agent 2nd agent adam we are not condemned,'


          so now you decide what agent you belong to.

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          • #6
            how do we become IN Christ Jesus

            by a whole change of minset,
            ''we gird up our mind'' to think like Christ.
            while all the world is fussing and cussing and distressed over all manner of things - we gird up our mind - so we become outside of these things the 1st agent adam introduced us all too,
            we sail away from them all, how?
            the same way Jesus did - BY TAKING NO THOUGHT, THAT EVIL INJECTS INTO US AS A TEMPTATION.
            START SAYING no TO YOUR THOUGHTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE PROMISES OF JESUS WORDS AND WORK FOR US.
            mAKE JESUS YOUR SHEPHERD,


            NOT your insurance co,

            your doctor,

            your governments,

            your employers....

            they are in vanity,


            begin today to walk outside of the Matrix OF THE 1ST AGENT ADAM and become ALIVE in THE LIFE ABUNDANT, OF THE 2ND AGENT JESUS.

            TURN YOUR LIFE AROUND BY HAVING THE FULLNESS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BEGIN TO DWELL IN YOU AND SIT BACK AND WATCH YOUR PRAYERS ANSWERED AND MIRACLES AND WONDERFULL THINGS APPEAR IN YOUR LIFE.

            notice when adam had God taking care of him, he had no problems - it was only when he decided to take care of himself his problems began.

            MANY SHALL SAY, ''well Lucy i take care of myself'' - ok then die and have a distressed life - your choice.
            few shall say'' ok i will try'' - then these come under NO condemation, for they are giving up their own lives to be helped by their true father.
            Last edited by LucySmith; 07-10-2011, 02:54 PM. Reason: spelling

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            • #7
              I would like you to understand this truth...

              notice when Adam had God taking care of him, he had no problems - it was only when he decided to take care of himself his problems began.


              so, WHY WOULD A SANE PERSON WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, AND REBEL AGAINST A LOVING FATHER, WHO ACTUALLY DESIRES US TO BE DIVINELY LOOKED AFTER.

              please explain human insanity to me.

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              • #8
                we have established a believer IN Christ - is now not condemned

                they are John 15 vine and branch people.
                next we know Adam survived beautifully under the divine direction of His creator.
                He was LOOKED AFTER - that is the truth.
                so let us now progress to perfection.

                ''oh no Lucy how dare you say such a thing''.................well

                "And all of these, though they won divine approval by means of their faith, did not receive the fulfillment of what was promised, because God had us in mind and had something better and greater in view for us, so that they (these heroes and heroines of faith) should not come to perfection apart from us, that is, before we could join them."
                [Heb 11:39-40],.
                what was ''promised''?
                something BETTER.....hear this please a SOMETHING BETTER
                something GREATER...hear this please SOMETHING GREATER
                That they [the cloud of witnesses] should not come to perfection apart from us = before we could join them.

                do you understand this?
                do you believe this?
                do you think this is the truth?
                these heros had faith, but now we have something beyond faith, because their faith did not perfect them.
                YES/NO/MAYBE?



                so what BETTER AND GREATER ELEMENT DO WE NOW HAVE THESE ancient OT HEROS didnt.
                this better thing is greater than
                opening the red sea,
                crossing the Jordon dryshod,
                crumbling the walls of Jericho,
                calling fire from heaven etc etc...
                can u do any of these things - NO- their faith did it - but NOW THERE IS THIS GREATER AND BETTER THING.

                what is it? that takes a believer out from the matrix of time and space [from the influences of the 1st agent adam] and into eternity?

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                • #9
                  take NO THOUGHT

                  A SIDE NOTE...............


                  JESUS SAID THIS
                  WHY?

                  "Take no thought...", because once thought is 'taken' - death occurs.
                  THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL HAS A DEATH DIET CLINGING TO IT. DONT EAT

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                  • #10
                    lets continue from faith into perfection.....

                    Bible faith is very hard thing to handle, we are a ''seeing is believing'' people [ a legacy from the 1st agent Adam]- so divine faith needs the anointing to break the yoke of human eye sight.
                    the heros of faith did not come into perfection but await......


                    what was needed was the transition from Heros to sons.
                    sons know they are sons, that is why they develop faith in God to overcome as He overcame all things.
                    this overcoming faith leds them into perfection.
                    The OT has heros, the NT has sons.
                    The NT sons are trained in 'dominion''.
                    Jesus took dominion over the devil - so does His sons.
                    Jesus demonstrated dominion by His sonship- to be His image the same MUST be in His church.

                    pray,
                    for the fullness.
                    "Till we all come. Unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ". "Unto an inheritance.''
                    this is.............
                    what was ''promised''?
                    something BETTER.....hear this please a SOMETHING BETTER
                    something GREATER...hear this please SOMETHING GREATER
                    we can BE in the world but not of the world and still have dominion as His church and still have something better and something greater ....all here.

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                    • #11
                      If a believer lives in Life in the Spirit here...they live outside of time and space

                      and change over into LIFE IN ETERNITY - remembering Jesus did this.
                      Jesus did not live in Matrix Values but eternal values.

                      now let us consider another point.............................
                      does a believer live outside of Gravity?
                      'OMG' Lucy are u mad'' I can hear you shout
                      '' Dont be so stupid''?
                      Jesus life was a full on spiritual life lived out here on earth- during this time He was able to disappear from their midst, 11 times when the religious tried to kill HIM - where did He go?

                      His power was so great, He was able to disappear. TO VANISH.

                      now i shall ask this?


                      why on earth would anyone want to follow the 1st Adam and his diabolicial rebellion, grossness AND destructive notions and live here in such a stupid, distressed limited position, when another type of life is now available as long as we learn to do as we are told. If learning to do as we are told by our true Father opens the door to all manner of unlimited adventures and experiences - why not simply DO IT.



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                      • #12
                        how did Jesus know the Pharisees were going to KILL Him

                        how did He disappear from their Midst?

                        thinking caps on please.

                        Jesus was NORMAL, A DIVINE NORMAL BEING - humans under Agent Adam the 1st, are all ABNORMAL.

                        Jesus KNEW MENS HEARTS - He could read minds - pass out from gravity, as He disappeared and knew NO time as HE LIVED IN HIS KINGDOM whilst on earth.

                        now you tell me why a believer IN Him as per John 15 and John 17 cannot be formed into HIS IMAGE here as His prevailing church - He makes for Himself.

                        i am not talking of the great whore - called the christian church - that creepy crawly SYSTEM of apostacy NO.
                        i am speaking about a few people who HE HAS CALLED OUT from the Matrix earth to Be formed *by* HIM and His NORMAL DIVINE KINGDOM.

                        ARE U ONE OF HIS PEOPLE?

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                        • #13
                          DO YOU SEE now how Jesus was so different from the 1st Agent Adam and his world [the

                          the Matrix...


                          Jesus learnt how to use SPIRITUAL MEANS to overcome the NATURAL world - that is passing away.

                          the spiritual powers worked successfully for HIM in the natural world.
                          how can we be the same as He is?
                          i would like you to reconsider this.

                          Jesus had a different way of thinking.
                          why dont we change to HIS WAY OF THINKING TOO.
                          do you think this a great idea?

                          why should we remain limited by the choices of the 1st agent Adam when another alternative has been made possible in the 2nd agent Adam.

                          do you think it would be hard to be re-programmed into a changed thought life?
                          or
                          is all things now possible for us [for those who Believe]?

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                          • #14
                            the divine world outside the Matrix....

                            yesterday Spying and I were considering John Mark [ it is believed Mark is the author of Mark's gospel] and while doing some research Spying found an interesting site...part of which said this,

                            this is Jesus speaking to His disciples apparently as recorded



                            The days will come in which vines will grow, each having ten thousand shoots, and on each shoot ten thousand branches, and on each branch ten thousand twigs, and on each twig ten thousand clusters, and in each cluster ten thousand grapes, and each grape, when pressed, will give twenty-five measures of wine.

                            And, when one of those saints takes hold of a cluster, another cluster will clamor: I am better, take me, bless the Lord through me!
                            Similarly a grain of wheat also will generate ten thousand heads, and each head will have ten thousand grains, and each grain five double pounds of clear and clean flour. And the remaining fruits and seeds and herbiage will follow through in congruence with these, and all the animals using these foods which are taken from the earth will in turn become peaceful and consenting, subject to men with every subjection.

                            i was thinking about John 10 v 10 and life abundant.
                            this world does not know about Life abundant only want and loss.

                            In my life, i found Life abundant works, as DIVINE LIFE REPRODUCES MORE LIFE AS IT CANNOT REMAIN STAGNANT .
                            living waters have to flow out.
                            Father pours out HIS LIFE and this DIVINE LIFE FLOWS TO OTHERS.....AS A STREAM
                            life gathers life around itself and joy and peace are the results.

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                            • #15
                              the serpent whispered to the 1st agent adam

                              he could DO WITHOUT GOD AND GO IT ALONE BY HIMSELF...''I DO IT MY WAY'' menality.
                              the 2nd Adam [Jesus Christ] ONLY EVER DID what the Father told HIM-the Father's will....now look at the difference.
                              can you see the difference between these 2 agents?

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