Jesus saves men - without the help of the church system

[LucySmith]

it is JESUS who saves - not the christian church system.

Jesus saves men to become like HIMSELF. He gives them the power to become His sons.
The church system as NEVER reproduced 1 person as Jesus image - not 1.
dont you think that very strange - that a whole system for 2000yrs has never ever reproduced a person to match Jesus Christ - yet say they save men.

if people are not like Jesus - how can they be saved.
wouldnt salvation mean - to be made into the Image of Messiah in this life we have here?

think
think
think

why doesn't the christian church system produce sons and daughters in the same quality as Jesus Himself?
why isnt divine kingdom life and living [ as Messiah lived here ] produced in many many thousands and thousands of people thru church history?

not 1
not 1
not 1

so we have a conterfeit poser in our midst.
we have been connned as Eve was conned to believe A LIE.

perhaps it is time to move out and move on.

[LucySmith]

ABeginner is posting in AOnline about ''studying the scriptures''

let us see what happens to ''study'' of ''it is written''.

http://forums.armageddononline.org/religion-f22.html

[LucySmith]

Do u see how abeginner [hebrew] has his feet

entwined into THE JEWISH WAY OF spelling G-D = means = no relationship.

the religious got to this ;;hebrew;; and gave him a bum steer.

No way living does this man have a oneness relationship with Abba our father LIKE JESUS HAS. who prayed ''OUR'' Father.....
this poor soul can search his scriptures all day and never FIND THE LIVING FATHER - HOW I HATE his RELIGION.

we just close down on a form of religion.

[LucySmith]

closing down on a form of religion....

apostle/saul had a form of religion prior to his conversion.
did you read where Jesus supposedly apprehended saul/paul and after this ''scales fell from his eyes.'''
''things like fish scales'' fell from his eyes we are told.

unless this happens to a believer - a form of religion only is their lot.

You see Jesus Himself has to apprehend a believer - not a church system or any other religious man made belief system in the world of the Matrix.
scales likened to fish scales are on all men's eyes and they fail to see.
they have NOT been APPREHENDED By MESSIAH so remain blinded and never freed..


one HAS TO ASK QUESTIONS
ONE HAS TO SEEK TRUTH
ONE HAS TO BE SHOWN THE WAY

THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH SYSTEM DOES NOT DO THIS CORRECTLY.
men teaching men cannot teach divinity.

ie.
Let No man teach you but the Holy Spirit.

consider John 17 - Jesus is praying for the oneness to enter into His people like He and his Father have,
The Father enters into us -meaning - christ the life power of the Holy Spirit and Jesus the man becomes the helpmeet as He submits to God the father [the inner divine spirit arisen]. Jesus was a man who had God the Father inside Him. they worked together, Jesus the help meet with The father the Lord of all.
they were as one. joined together man and god combination

the church system hates this divine message - they hate oneness for they have created a father who is out there someplace when Jesus said ''heaven in within you''.. our Fther who art in heaven'' he prayed - now where is father = where did Jesus say heaven is?
join the dots.
let the scale come off your eyes.

wbere is the kingdom of heaven? IN YOU.
OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN - where is Heaven? where is the Father.?
JOIN THE DOTS, AND UNDERSTAND, - UNDERSTAND IS FAITH FOR FAITH IS SUBSTANCE AND SUBSTANCE IS MADE UP OF 2 WORDS sub - stance - understand. - sub IS UNDER STANCE - STAND.
UNDERSTAND FAITH.
FAITH CREATES WORLDS.
FATHER CREATES HIS NEW `CREATION

JESUS SHOWED THE WAY.

[LucySmith]

Religious criminals

Would you consider Saul [apostle Paul before conversion] a religious criminal?'

would you consider men who preach in the church christian system - religious criminals?

what is the def. of a criminal?''

found guilty of a crime.

ok, are religious teachers, in the christian church system religious criminals for failing to reproduce 1 person as Jesus emmanuel Messiah in 2000yrs?
and taking hard earnt money under false pretenses and failing to inform the pews that they are actually a countertfeit system and not bible based.

how shall they be charged under divine judgement?

[LucySmith]

and the scales like fish scales fell off his eyes [ref saul/paul]

what is so amazing on the thread on AOnline is the fact that no one relates to the failure of the christian church system to reproduce Jesus/Emmanuel in words nor deeds for 2000yrs in even 1 person - see the fish scales in place?
Unless Jesus Himself removes the scales from peoples eyes NO one can see revelation and understanding [of the bible Jesus] - in NT words nor actions in their true and proper perspective.
the religious Matrix enthralls everyone and each man believes, he is right in his own eyes. no one is aware of their own deception.
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the 1st agent was ADAM'
THE 2ND AGENT was Emmanuel.

what was /is the difference between these 2 agents?
let those scales be removed to see the true difference and the meanings.

*what was lost -by the 1st Agent
*what was found-by the 2nd agent.


* what is the laws of sin and death - brought forth by the 1st Agent.
* what do the words of the 2nd Agent mean to you - redemption, captives free, renewal, new creation, new creatures, new mind, mortal/immortal, transformation, metamorphoo, salvation, righteousness, perfection,


there is a section of a human brain that is called a thalamus - it acts as a ''brain traffic cop'' and allows only certain sensations to move thru us at a time.
it blocks our sensitivities so we are not continually bombarded by sensations.
i liken this to the christian church system - it too acts as a religious ''traffic cop'' by stopping divine understanding from releasing our minds into a christ like belief system Jesus worked in. Jesus worked differently than the church called christian for none of these unwholesome demonic reptilian institutions has ever reproducted Christlikeness in the pews.

look at the posters on this AOnline thread - all posting THEIR BELIEF = that is not like Emmanuel and what is worse they are totally unaware of their problem and fish scaled eyes.

[LucySmith]

something like fish scales fell from his eyes...

saul, the religious man, had DISEASED EYES,
the church system has diseased eyes too.

Jesus KNEW ALREADY, that it is very hard to convert anyone with diseased adamic eyes.
Hence His divine advice is GET EYE SALVE.
HE states this to the church of Laodicea - the corrupt church of man's rulership. Get Eye salve [to see your deception] and come into an understanding that is based upon ME not on religion.
[rev 3 v 18]
something like fish scales, covered his eyes - a filmy veil, a sick eye disease covered Saul's eyes. Saul saw religion but not JESUS.

Saul's religion still peddled in sickness, sin and death -the 1st Agent Adam ruled.
Jesus the 2nd agent abolished death, sin and sickness - the veil of eye disease was rent. Christlikeness was now made available.
Jesus never formed a new religion, NO - but a new creation.
the 1st Agent Adam formed religion [disobedience]
the 2nd Agent Jesus = forms christ in us the hope of GLORY.
the EYE SALVE IS NEEDED TO SEE THE GLORY.= anointed eyes to see for yourself the bondages of all wordly religious expressions.

religion WOUNDS our eye sight.