The Restored YAHWEH!

[Spying]

Hi Everyone,

This forum was established a number of years ago because it seemed that every time I became engaged in a good discussion with another individual, some moderator would come along and pull the plug on the thread for various reasons.

Wherever I go, I always work if possible within the rules of the forum I am visiting. I don't like to enforce rules so I don't have very many here. In fact, I think that I would have to attempt to sign up here to refresh myself on what the rules here actually are.

I work, as far as is possible, to be respectful to all, and, generally, it is my policy to strive to think more highly of others than I do of myself. This means that I will treat you well, but it also means that you will be subjected to an experience the likes of which you have not often encountered considering my abilities.

Lucy and I have been banned from numerous forums so we are learning to ban ourselves when we see the signs of banning or the shutting down of the thread upon which we are writing approaching. Recently, this request was made of us from a moderator:

If you are unable to comply with this, please refrain from posting.

Thank you!

Practically, every sentence we write is opposed to traditional, historical Christianity so once attention was brought to the rule by a moderator we had no choice, we out of respect to the moderator and the various members of the forum, we had to refrain from posting.

In a manner of speaking, it was a little bit, I suppose, like counting coup as someone has suggested. You all were in a fight, but we did not hurt any of you. We did take time out of our lives to reach out to touch you for your good as we are called to do.

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

Counting Coup!

Hi Everyone,

Lucy and I have more than a couple of eagle feathers in our war bonnet!

http://tkdtutor.com/13Sparring/CountingCoup.htm

This Tribe was not our most recent in counting coup. It was our previous excursion to the one quoted above! Enjoy:

http://www.iljboards.com/showthread.php?t=32464

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

Counting Coup!

Hi Everyone,

It seems wherever Lucy and I go, there come forward some Christians who display a maddening curiosity concerning our point of origin and affiliation. They cannot accept the fact that we do not belong to any church group or denomination.

Lucy has found various individuals who have believed and taught about LIFE NOW in the past, and then they died. Overcoming DEATH in this physical life is a sign, is it not? Lucy has also found an individual and small fellowship or group which is right now teaching about LIFE NOW, but then they conveniently allow you to purchase their materials being more than willing to sell what has graciously been given to them. We will not follow their example.

Here is a copy of a post that Lucy made to a Hoosier named Breni Sue ( I have a number of relatives who are Hoosiers ) on the "I Love Jesus Forum" which I particularly liked, Lucy's post that is:

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Originally Posted by Breni Sue
Yes, I'm aware of that. However, Jesus was perfect. We humans are not. Big difference there. Even with Jesus, we're gonna encounter the same end in this life as everyone else.OK, so you don't like that word. Let me rephrase the question then - What church or group do you belong to?


And with that, I think I'm gonna step out of this discussion. I get the sense that my points are being overlooked, and you guys seem to be repeating the same arguments over and over with nothing new to really add. I will tell you this though - if you've come here to change people's minds, you are probably barking up the wrong tree.

yes ofcourse....let me xplain again.
1] Martha - in John 11 v 24 - gives her version- interestingly like the 'christian churches. (Christians adopt Martha's thinking lock, stock, and barrel when Martha was as wrong as wrong can be. Did Her Brother, Lazarus, arise in the Resurrection that she was thinking of? Need we say more?)

2] then Messiah gives His version John 11 v 25-26.
I believe HIM.
I belong to the BELIEVERS church called the ''called out ones'' of who the Lord said ''the gates [the openeings of hell/grave shall not prevail [get the better of] against her''.

Do ye remember the Saviour said ''where 2 or 3 are gathered in My Name there i am in their midst '' - that church! i belong to I am blessed to say! (If the LIVING ADONAI YAHWEH of the whole Universe is in your midst, what room is there for physical death?)

but thank you for reading at least now u know that some are overcoming death, just like the bible says and putting off their corruption....etc

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And Thank you for a post which graciously speaks to the truth, Lucy!

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

Counting Coup!

Hi Everyone,

"Spero" in the Greek language is a verb meaning "to sow" so New Discovery and I were graciously given opportunity to sow LIFE NOW right here:

http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5746&whichpage=1

Notice how New Discovery (Lucy) charges right in and is able to count coup by touching all the dead there with the idea of coming to life and not dying. They are incredulous as is the case wherever we go. Enjoy!

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

The Sowing Of YAHWEH!

Hi Everyone,

Christians believe that Messiah Yahushua is the Son Of ELOHIM, and when they assign that designation to HIM, their thinking radiates totally along human lines.

ELOHIM said this concerning HIMSELF:

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith YAHWEH.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Mankind knows what is means to be a son, and mankind knows what it means to be a father, but does mankind know what the father/son relationship means amongst the ELOHIM?

The unified Man, created male and female, is an image of YAHWEH ELOHIM. An image is a picture or shadow. An image is not the real thing. So, we should be cautious about ascribing our human relationships to the ELOHIM as if the ELOHIM are images of mankind. The human father/son relationship is a picture or shadow. What does it shadow amongst the ELOHIM? What do the ELOHIM think when they speak of THEMSELVES as being a father or a son?

YAHWEH said this for David:

1 Chronicles 17:10-14
10 ............................... Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that YAHWEH will build thee an house.
11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.
12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.
13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:
14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

What does it mean that the Seed (sperm) of David should be the Son of YAHWEH?

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

The Bastard!

Hi Everyone,

Can we dare to look at the unthinkable? Who is the father of Yahushua?

ELOHIM is (was) a spirit, and HIS sperm or seed is the spirit, and the Word or speech of ELOHIM is spirit:

1 Peter 1:23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed (a sowing), but of incorruptible, by the word of ELOHIM, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 John 3:9
9 Whosoever is born of ELOHIM doth not commit sin; for his seed (sperm) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of ELOHIM.

John 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

When Yahushua was born of Mary, was Yahushua born of flesh or of the spirit? Who supplied the sperm that gave fleshly life to Yahushua? Did Yahushua become the son of Abraham and David by the incorruptible sowing of the sperm of ELOHIM, the Spirit, in the womb of Mary?

If so, would this not make Yahushua somewhat of a hybrid, the bastard and illegitimate son of YAHWEH rather than the son of Abraham and David? Come, now, ye Christians, who among you can give answer?

Sincerely, Spying

[LucySmith]

hey pal Spying....what a wonderfull thread.



well i have a simply marvellous hols for a few days and such revs i shall write up tomorrow cuz i am busted now. I have jet lag and my head is 2,000miles away roaming in the white fluffies.
I actually dont like flying too much, i have to overcome my phobia however I have learnt much from overcoming this pesky demon/thought/vanity.
more tomorrow.
Lucy

[LucySmith]

i find this fasinating, please explain

Hi Everyone,

Can we dare to look at the unthinkable? Who is the father of Yahushua?

ELOHIM is (was) a spirit, and HIS sperm or seed is the spirit, and the Word or speech of ELOHIM is spirit:When Yahushua was born of Mary, was Yahushua born of flesh or of the spirit? Who supplied the sperm that gave fleshly life to Yahushua? Did Yahushua become the son of Abraham and David by the incorruptible sowing of the sperm of ELOHIM, the Spirit, in the womb of Mary?

If so, would this not make Yahushua somewhat of a hybrid, the bastard and illegitimate son of YAHWEH rather than the son of Abraham and David? Come, now, ye Christians, who among you can give answer?

Sincerely, Spying

I am prepared to think the unthinkable, as i hate think ''church paganised creed ways''...so please tell us what ye have found out....
''spill the beans please'' and reveal Who is the father of Yahushua?


how is Mesiah related to Joseph
how is He related to Adam thru Joseph....the bible cannot be wrong we know.

He is NOT a bastard as we all have been led to believe hey?
Lucy.

[Spying]

In Flesh!

Hi Everyone,

Lucy and I believe that sin kills. Sin weakens our flesh, and we lose strength and vitality. A sinner living in sin is rather like being crucified. Everywhere we go, we are told that death is our destiny, our inescapable fate. HaSatan does not want the truth to be known. He does not want mankind to know that there is a way of escape; therefore, mankind has been given over to believe his fabricated delusion about Messiah Yahushua.

Messiah Yahushua encouraged all to continue in HIS Word so that we might know the Truth with the result that knowing the Truth would make us free. This truth is the Word of ELOHIM, and everyone and everything happens by that Word and according to that Word.

It is the anti-Messiah which denies that Messiah is come in flesh. According to the Word of ELOHIM, the Messiah would be the Seed of Abraham which comes forth from His Loins. Both men and women have seed, but only men can sow seed, and this seed should be properly sown in their wives in order to produce more seed. So, the seed is sown in flesh to produce more flesh. Remember that the promises were made to Abraham and to His Seed.

With David, His Seed is specifically called a Son. Both sons and daughters come from sowing seed, but the promise here is made to David and to His Son. Everything that both Abraham and David are, everything is placed into the hand of their Seed. This Seed is Messiah Yahushua, and Yahushua is come in flesh as the Son of Abraham and the Son of David. This is according to the Word of ELOHIM. Why would the Word of ELOHIM promise, and, then not make it so?

Why is it that Christians believe that the Father of Yahushua is ELOHIM contrary to the Promise of ELOHIM? Does not this belief deny that Messiah is come in flesh? Remember that which is born of flesh is flesh!

Why would HaSatan desire that you believe that Messiah Yahushua did come as more than flesh?

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

Leadership!

Hi Everyone,

Leaders lead from the front, do they not? Leaders do not just say where to go and what to do, but they are willing to be in the forefront of the going and doing! Leaders show the ones whom they lead, the Way! They do not ask others to follow where they have not gone, nor do they lead where they cannot be followed. Leaders simply lead from the front with the expectation that they will be followed!

Messiah Yahushua is our Leader. If HE led from the front, and HE did, how is it that Messiah could accomplish what HE accomplished, and how is it that no one apparently has followed HIS lead?

Could it be because of the myth which surrounds Messiah? I mean, only a son of god could accomplish what Messiah accomplished, right? It is not for mortal men to duplicate the path or walk of a god/man so can we or anyone else be seriously expected to follow HIM? We all have far to many shortcomings, do we not?

This defeatist thinking begins to change once you realize the truth that Messiah Yahushua was just a man, howbeit a very blessed man, but a man, nonetheless, who shared the human image of HIS Brethren in every respect. How could a mere man claim to be the Way, the Truth, and the LIFE?

Christianity answers this question by assuming the divine lineage of Messiah Yahushua despite the evidence of the Word of ELOHIM to the contrary. In their thinking, Messiah could accomplish what HE accomplished because Messiah was also ELOHIM or the Son of ELOHIM. Therefore, the man who claimed to be the LIFE of the world could only be that very LIFE if this man was also ELOHIM. How else could a man be the LIFE of the world?

The Word of ELOHIM is very plain concerning LIFE:

Deuteronomy 8:3
3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that (the) man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of YAHWEH doth (the) man live.

Why do I call attention to this very special Man which the Scripture here calls the Man? I do so to let all Christians know that the Man exists and that this Man lives by every Word of ELOHIM?

How do I know that HE exists? I know because Messiah Yahushua referred to HIMSELF as the Son of the Man. If Messiah refers to HIMSELF as the Son of this Man, who comes first the Son or the Man? Messiah comes first, and the Man follows HIM!

Here it can be clearly seen the nature of the Father/Son relationship in the spiritual. A Son is an exact copy or duplicate of the original, and in this case, the Man, the Original, follows the Son! So, Messiah indeed has not led in vain! The Man appears, and the Man has everything and is everything that the Son is! Praise YAHWEH ELOHIM, ADONAI Messiah Yahushua.

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

The Man!

Hi Everyone,

Who, therefore, is the Man? Of course, HE is the Man who lives by every Word. Specifically, HE is the fulness of the stature of Messiah Yahushua:

Ephesians 4:13
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of ELOHIM, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Messiah:

This fulness or perfect Man is the Body of Messiah, HIS Assembly or Spiritual Temple:

Ephesians 1:23
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Which is right now being rebuilt by Messiah Yahushua. This Fulness includes both Jew and Gentile, according to the physical, who are again being called forth out of this dark and dead world unto the light and LIFE of Messiah Yahushua. Together, they comprise the Man, and in this Man dwells all the Fulness of the ELOHIM physically. Ultimately, this complete physical Man (I am not speaking of a single physical man here save for Messiah Yahushua) is the Restored YAHWEH ELOHIM, the Resurrected Messiah Yahushua, the Son of YAHWEH or exact duplicate of YAHWEH!

Knowing these things, one can begin to understand how the Man of Lawlessness could arise within the spiritual Body of Messiah. This Man arises from us, and He opposes the spiritual fulfillment of the Law through stressing the physical fulfillment of the Law. He is filled with pride, and He becomes the Son of Loss or Ruin, the true offspring of HaSatan, one who is turned to the Dark Side much like Anakin Skywalker of Star Wars fame (a hybrid like unto the Nephilim or the Anakim). This Man may be more than one individual just as Messiah Yahushua is comprised of many individuals.

In the Scriptures, He is typified by Haman (HaMan, the Man) in the Book of Esther who opposes the elevation of Mordecai and all spiritual Jews. Take heed to yourselves here, and pray for protection from this role! It is a Judas role!

Set your eyes upon Messiah, and hold fast to HIM lest you enter into temptation and be not delivered from the Evil One. Please, Messiah, guard and protect us here! Amen!

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

The Righteous Branch!

Hi Everyone,

Why does YAHWEH promote marriage and hate divorce? Consider these words of YAHWEH through Malachi:

Malachi 2:14-16
14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because YAHWEH hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek an ELOHIM seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
16 For YAHWEH, the ELOHIM of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: ...........

In marriage, the spirit of a man and a woman is made one through the uniting of the flesh. The result of this uniting is ELOHIM seed. YAHWEH seeks this ELOHIM seed.

If ELOHIM seed comes through the union of a man and a woman in marriage, is it permissible for the ELOHIM to directly introduce THEIR seed or spirit into the womb of a woman who has been betrothed in marriage to a man? If men do such a thing, is it not called adultery?

If the Sons of ELOHIM do such a thing, what are the issue called? Are they not called Nephilim (Genesis 6:1-5)? Are these giants ELOHIM seed, and does YAHWEH approve of their conception whether they be conceived by men or angels? Absolutely, not!

Why then do Christians say that Messiah Yahushua issues from the union of the spirit or seed of ELOHIM with the spirit or seed of Mary in her womb apart from the spirit or seed of her husband Joseph?

Come now, ye Christians, can ye give answer? Why would YAHWEH work so treacherously with HIS Spirit against the spirit of Joseph? Why would YAHWEH commit adultery with Mary?

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

The Son Of David!

Hi Everyone,

This promise was made to David concerning His Seed:

Psalms 89:3-4
3 I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant,
4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah.

Furthermore, this Seed is designated a Son right here:

Jeremiah 33:14-22
14 Behold, the days come, saith YAHWEH, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. (see John 12:31, John 16:8-11)
16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, YAHWEH our righteousness.
17 For thus saith YAHWEH; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
19 And the word of YAHWEH came unto Jeremiah, saying,
20 Thus saith YAHWEH; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

This brings us to Messiah's famous question to the Pharisees concerning David's Son:

Matthew 22:41-45
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Yahushua asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Messiah? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him ADON, saying,
44 YAHWEH said unto my ADON, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him ADON, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Come, now, ye Christians, are ye able to give answer?

You know, the Pharisees were not wrong here about the Messiah being David's Son. If Messiah is the Son of ELOHIM, the Seed of YAHWEH in the womb of Mary, how is Messiah Yahushua then David's Son?

Is YAHWEH a liar? Does YAHWEH keep HIS Promises? Does YAHWEH commit unrighteous acts or engage in unrighteous activity? Why then do Christians affirm that Messiah Yahushua was born the Son of ELOHIM, the offspring of an incestuous relationship of a father with his daughter, and not the Son of David?

What reason could Christians possible have for not confirming the Word of ELOHIM by confessing that Messiah Yahushua was born the Son of David who then became ADON?

Come, now, ye Christians, who among you is willing to give answer?

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

Christianity's Savior!

Hi Everyone,

Where are all the champions of Christianity? Come, now, ye Christians, why do you need a superman as a savior, a half-breed, a hybrid, a god/man above all gods? This savior arose in the spiritual Temple through the advocacy of his lawless surrogates, and he does now stand in that Temple totally disregarding the Word of YAHWEH ELOHIM concerning the person and work of the Messiah.

Christians, in their anomia (activity without regard for law), have fashioned for themselves a messiah and savior that does not stand the test of the Word of ELOHIM. Therefore, Christians have need of a savior to succor themselves in their exceeding wickedness, and Christians have need of a savior to give to themselves comfort and hope as they march to their graves. Christians do not think of overcoming sin and death. They have no need for this salvation because they imagine that their lawless savior will save them all after they all die a very lawful death. Apparently, their lawless savior cannot save them from the demands of the Law. The Law demands death for the sinner; therefore, the Law takes their lives in full payment of their wickedness.

All of this happens to Christians in full view of everyone. Christians go to their graves believing in an exalted god/man savior whom they imagine died to pay their penalty for their sins, all in their stead. I cannot think of anything more anti-Messiah; I cannot think of anything more anti-YAHWEH ELOHIM.

Come, now, ye Christians! You have no need to fear being banned here. Lucy and I will listen to your apology, your great delusion, and we will not lock up your threads and edit or delete your posts. Come, now, ye Christians, wake up your god/man which you have fashioned to accommodate your lawlessness and come and give answer for the death that you will suffer as payment for your sins!

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

A Heart Turned To YAHWEH Is A Renewed Heart!

Hi Everyone,

An Apostle and Prophet of YAHWEH ELOHIM wrote this concerning the Restoration:

Acts 3:20-21
20 And he shall send Yahushua Messiah, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which ELOHIM hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Peter must have been mistaken here. Do the Old Testament Prophets really speak of restoration? Messiah HIMSELF said that EliYah must come to restore all things. Where did Messiah get such an idea, and what are some of the things that need to be restored? Is there anything out there left undone? Is there anything out there that needs to be renovated, renewed or restored?

How about you yourself? Would you like to be renewed instead of growing old, getting sick and dying. Consider these words:

Isaiah 40:28-31
28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting ELOHIM, YAHWEH, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
29 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:
31 But they that wait upon YAHWEH shall renew their strength (power); they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

How many of you think that YAHWEH is speaking of viagra here?

Where is the strength of Christianity? The Apostolic Assembly, after waiting, was indeed given power from on High. They were each given more spirit, were they not? Did this additional spirit renew their vitality? Consider:

Lamentations 5:19-22
19 Thou, O YAHWEH, remainest for ever; thy throne from generation to generation.
20 Wherefore dost thou forget us for ever, and forsake us so long time?
21 Turn (shoob means to turn back, but not necessarily to the starting point) thou us unto thee, O YAHWEH, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. (What does it mean to be turned to YAHWEH, and what were our days of old like?)
22 But thou hast utterly rejected us; thou art very wroth against us.

Did EliYah come to turn the hearts of some to their Heavenly Father, and the heart of our Heavenly Father to His Children? Yes, HE has, and the Name of this great Prophet is Messiah Yahushua.

Surely, the hearts of the Apostles were turned. Were their days renewed? Did they receive, as Lucy would say, the Mantle from Messiah after He ascended?

How about you yourself? Do you have power? Then give praise and thanks to YAHWEH. If you are faint, the Good News is, your strength can be renewed, that is, if you heart is turned to YAHWEH! How about you yourself? Do these scriptures speak of you?

Sincerely, Spying