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    Immortal Life ... Can it be?

    Have you ever heard of the Word of Immortality

    1Co 2:9 (KJV) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
    1Co 2:10 (KJV) But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

    Welcome to this awesome Word of God. Today you have come here, to see one of the greatest revealed mysteries and secrets of God.

    The Bible says in Deut 29:29 that "the secret things belong unto the Lord our God, but the things which are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever..........."

    The Bible is very clear! You are supposed to be immortal. It says, that it is for those who believe and for those who seek it! Stick with me through this amazing teaching and you will be filled with joy and peace forever.


    Is God’s plan for us to die and then go to heaven?

    If so, why don’t we just die and go?

    What does the Bible say about it?

    The word “Immortality” in the Websters’s Dictionary is described as “ EXEMPTION FROM DEATH” or “ UNENDING EXISTENCE” It does not say die and then live or life after death.

    Christians will very easily and often quote John 10:10

    Joh 10:10 The thief does not come except to steal and to kill and to destroy. I have come so that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

    I don’t think they realize what they are quoting

    See the following scriptures:

    Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    2Co 4:11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

    It does not say that it will be made manifest AFTER we have died ! It says in the mortal flesh. In other words the flesh which is liable to death. Not the flesh that is dead already.

    Carefully look at the following scriptures. Note that Paul is talking about 2 groups of people. He says “death works in us, but life in you” two groups.

    2Co 4:10 always bearing about the dying of the Lord Jesus in the body, so that the life of Jesus also might be revealed in our body.

    2Co 4:11 For we who live are always being delivered to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus might also be revealed in our body.

    2Co 4:12 So then death works in us, but life in you.

    2Co 4:13 For we, having the same spirit of faith (according as it is written, "I believed, and therefore I have spoken"); we also believed and therefore speak,

    2Co 4:14 knowing that He who raised up the Lord Jesus shall also raise us up by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

    We know that people are dying and therefore most people who don’t get this revelation will say “ but why are people still dying today?”

    Joh 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, He who believes on Me has everlasting life.

    He did not say , he who believes in ME will die and go to heaven.

    Read the whole of John 6 and see how many times HE says: If you eat of My flesh and drink of My blood , you will NEVER DIE!

    Joh 6:48 I am the Bread of life.

    Joh 6:49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and died.

    Joh 6:50 This is the Bread which comes down from Heaven, so that a man may eat of it and not die.

    1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be subdued and abolished is death.

    Can I say this: When you die, you have been conquered by death! You have not subdued death or conquered death. Death is only conquered when you live and don’t die.

    Right from the beginning, in Genesis, God’s plan for us was to live and not die. The question in the garden was not sin. It was all about LIFE and DEATH.

    Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.

    Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever,

    Gen 3:23 therefore Jehovah God sent him out from the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he had been taken.

    Gen 3:24 And He drove out the man. And He placed cherubs at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.

    Psa 118:17 I shall not die but live, and shall declare the works and recount the illustrious acts of the Lord.

    Psa 118:24 This is the day which the Lord has brought about; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

    Read the whole of Ps 118 and try to see the prophetic Word that the Psalmist is bringing.

    Act 13:35 For this reason He says also in another psalm, You will not allow Your Holy One to see corruption [to undergo putrefaction and dissolution of the grave]. [Ps. 16:10.]

    Act 13:36 For David, after he had served God's will and purpose and counsel in his own generation, fell asleep [in death] and was buried among his forefathers, and he did see corruption and undergo putrefaction and dissolution [of the grave].

    Act 13:37 But He Whom God raised up [to life] saw no corruption [did not experience putrefaction and dissolution of the grave].

    Act 13:41 Look, you scoffers and scorners, and marvel and perish and vanish away; for I am doing a deed in your days, a deed which you will never have confidence in or believe, [even] if someone [clearly describing it in detail] declares it to you. [Hab. 1:5.]

    Why will Paul refer to Habakkuk? What is the context?

    Let us go to Habakkuk and see.

    Hab 1:5 Look around [you, Habakkuk, replied the Lord] among the nations and see! And be astonished! Astounded! For I am putting into effect a work in your days [such] that you would not believe it if it were told you. [Acts 13:40, 41.]

    Looking at this, we still battle to see any context.

    Hab 2:2 And Jehovah answered me and said, Write the vision, and make it plain on the tablets, that he who reads it may run.

    Hab 2:3 For the vision is still for an appointed time, but it speaks to the end, and it does not lie. Though it lingers, wait for it; because it will surely come. It will not tarry.

    Hab 1:12 Are You not from everlasting, O Jehovah my God, my Holy One? We shall not die.

    What is it saying?

    The Lord says to Habakkuk , Write the vision down, for there is an appointed time, when it will manifest. Then no one will believe this. What vision? “ WE WILL NEVER DIE”

    The word does say that we shall not all die before He returns!

    Psa 102:18 Let this be recorded for the generation yet unborn, that a people yet to be created shall praise the Lord.

    Psa 102:20 To hear the sighing and groaning of the prisoner, to loose those who are appointed to death,

    These guys new that it was not for there time, but for a generation yet unborn.

    1 Pe 1:23 You have been regenerated (born again), not from a mortal origin (seed, sperm), but from one that is immortal by the ever living and lasting Word of God.

    1Pe 1:24 For all flesh (mankind) is like grass, and all its glory (honor) like [the] flower of grass. The grass withers and the flower drops off,

    1Pe 1:25 But the Word of the Lord (divine instruction, the Gospel) endures forever. And this Word is the good news which was preached to you. [Isa. 40:6-9.]

    Yes, all flesh is like grass, BUT when you become BORN AGAIN , from the IMMORTAL SEED of GOD, He will renew your strength and your mortal body will be quickened.

    Remember that this is only for those who believe!

    If it is still difficult to take it, try the next scripture:

    Rom 2:7 To those who by patient persistence in well-doing [springing from piety] seek [unseen but sure] glory and honor and [the eternal blessedness of] immortality, He will give eternal life.

    It is in all the translations

    To those who seek Glory and Honor AND IMMORTALITY, He will give eternal life.

    Right through the Bible we see that GOD wants us to live.

    Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness this day against you that I have set before you life and death, the blessings and the curses; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live.

    There was a time when people had an appointment with death, but that appointment with death is cancelled (Ps 102)

    This is only a glimpse of what the Word really says.

    There are19 or more scripture packed teachings by Prophet Kobus van Rensburg on CD that will set you free. Be prepared to listen for more that a hour per teaching. This is true deliverance. You have not heard the message if you have not listened to the CD's. You can order it directly from Spirit Word Ministries or contact me at :

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    With love in Jesus

    Ben Fouche

    Dweba Ministries


    South Africa

    BTW to clarify
    I have only read this page not the rest of this ministry words = so i do not know what is spoken of beyond this page.


  • #2
    The Shot Heard Round The World!

    Hi Lucy,

    Saints alive! We are popping up all over the place!

    This man is speaking the truth.

    Sincerely, Spying
    The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


    • #3

      Hi Lucy,

      I went to this shopping page of their ministry:

      And I clicked on Books, and I noticed this:
      Then you need to read through this message to show you that the Battle of Armageddon was actually the crusifixion of Jesus Christ!
      The Understanding and Acceptance of the LIFE NOW Message which you posted here from their ministry is wonderful, and there are not many people in this world who understand that the Battle of Armageddon was the Cross. This is significant also.

      In view of what we have just discussed with Eutychus, do you think that we are wrong about selling the Truth?

      Sincerely, Spying
      The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


      • #4
        hey Allen E

        u know something so funny.....
        u wrote ''
        ''we are popping up all over the place''

        People block ''POPS UPS'' from their computers.

        ''BLOCKING POP UPS''.

        and its ok the ''sell'' the TRUTH - divine style that is ok, to BUY THE TRUTH too,
        I HATE THE JUDAS way of stealing the 'so-called' revelation and profiting from it by gaining $ for oneself and to be used on oneself.

        MESSIAH, never carried a bumbag.
        The Thief did.
        Messiah TOLD A FISH to give him a coin.
        His SUPPLIER, namely His Father knew His every need.

        ask, if we wrote about Life Now and published it.... would we sell it for profit? freely we received we would give away THE GIFT OF LIFE.

        if i feel this way, the true-lifers WOULD FEEL the same as this would be harmony and unity of love.
        Not making a huge profit for something that was for edifying and helping other saints.
        Who rips of [at a huge profit,] brothers of love.?
        i would rather go without than rip off a brother, infact any man.
        I hate injustice. I hate it with a passion.
        I would rather live with nothing that steal from Father, or any man.

        Yes saints do have revelation,
        Yes many are anointed for revelation and write about this, but not at the expense of another

        HOW i love this word.
        u can FEEL harmony.
        It flows with the sounds of life thru it.
        There is so much power in harmony.
        It alters the atmosphere and sends all disharmonisations fleeing.
        HARMONY is when we are aware of the Prince of Peace walking with us and our whole life suddenly enters the glorious unlimited.

        Battle of Armageddon is the crucification
        THOSE ''fundies'' are still waiting, watching and trying to activate this earthy happening.

        i saw the credit cards all lined up.
        [ however the pages did not seem to want to switch over for me on their site.]

        but********************************************************************************* let us always consider Diciple Judas was right there in the middle of the greatest years this world ever saw.

        RIGHT SMACK BANG in the middle of sensational years even ministering out,
        kinda makes you wonder hey~!

        I THINK IT IS NOT THE KNOWING nor the writing Ab but the LIVING that proves OUR ETERNITY.
        what say ye?
        there are 2 words that go together in the bible
        1] KNOWLEDGE
        2] WISDOM

        PERHAPS these are twins and need to be always used together and one cannot be successful without the other.

        In the past i have read works of people who KNEW of life, yet have since died.
        THEY wrote page after page but died.
        I was so distressed over this fact.... how could this happen?
        I asked Father ''what went wrong here""?
        KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM go hand in hand.

        KNOWLEDGE is a different element than Wisdom and it takes WISDOM to use KNOWLEDGE correctly.
        KNOWLEDGE is a different element than Wisdom and it takes WISDOM to use KNOWLEDGE correctly.
        KNOWLEDGE is a different element than Wisdom and it takes WISDOM to use KNOWLEDGE correctly.
        KNOWLEDGE is a different element than Wisdom and it takes WISDOM to use KNOWLEDGE correctly..... for only the wise shall understand.

        Father, HAS GIVEN US knowlegde NOW He is making is WISE UNTO SALVATION.
        that's the difference.
        knowledge by itself does not bypass the grave,
        knowledge BY ITSELF = PUFFS UP

        We cannot be these people - ''POP UP, PUFFED UPS'' Allen E.
        We have to be made wise UNTO SALVATION - the wise 'men' shall understand.
        HOW TO BYPASS their tomb.
        THEY HAD A ''HEART'' BYPASS u see.

        NO i shall still stand on the standards of Christ - no money for revelation - what is freely received so it is freely given.
        by doing this
        Father shall put a coin in our fishes mouth. WE SHALL NEVER BE IN WANT.

        did u ever notice this verse?
        Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Dan 12 v 10
        BN - no. 12 - the government of God
        BN - no 10 - responsibility of the Word.

        made white
        wise shall understand - is a process the wicked never have attained too.

        ''tried'' - ARE we in a ministry with a Judas [thief] spirit.
        We are ''tried'' to see if we are.
        if not then
        we are made white, purified and become wise.


        because a thief shall remain a thief no matter how much 'power from on high' he attained too - example Judas.


        • #5
          cont.... KNOWING/KNOWLEDGE/ and wisdom applied

          i have often wondered over these seeming contraditions
          what people write
          what people say
          what fruit do they bear


          they may have knowledge but lack wisdom.
          Wisdom is the understanding how to do everything correctly just as Messiah did and Judas is a contrast trait [human and not a new creature] yet still is with Messiah but shows us the L.A.C.K. of FRUIT BEARING.
          i.e. people say one thing, but do another.
          this is a JUDAS !SIGNATURE!.

          now i know~!
          what people say is not necessarily how they live.

          now i know~!
          The truth can be spoken out but NOT EVER WOVEN IN, for if it is woven in the speaking shall match the life - the same as Messiah's example.

          now i know~!
          how to discover a Judas from a saint.
          a tare from the wheat

          now i know~!
          that Judas Spirit is still operating in most men, few really escape this curse, and they can express truth but NEVER LIVE WITH IN AND IN IT, for u see THE TRUTH IS an EVERLASTING FREEDOM.

          now I know~!
          FEW people actually do find EVERLASTING FREEDOM, they say they have but somehow Judas overtakes them and they die by committing carnal suicide.

          now i know~!
          this Judas Spirit cannot ever reproduce THE KINGDOM OF GOD, for Father's rulership is never allowed to manifest. yes. they say it is but the fact is HIS KINGDOM IS EVERLASTING therefore the fruit bearing of life is everlasting too.

          I am so glad i have this revealed to me for if a person cannot live by THE TRUTH of Messiah's words.... they die.
          now that is wisdom.

          TO SAY ONE THING yet always do another, to swing to the opposite action
          is a Judas Spirit.
          or a suicide's spirit - that spirit that kills off all hope from within.

          no everlasting kingdom can be built on this evil foundation.

          I server all former relationship with aNY Judas Ministry.


          • #6
            Living Proves Life!

            Hi Lucy,
            I THINK IT IS NOT THE KNOWING nor the writing Ab but the LIVING that proves OUR ETERNITY.
            what say ye?
            I say that this is absolutely correct. The difficulty is not in the knowing; the difficulty is in the walk, right?

            I know a whole lot, but I have a very hard time walking. I continually look around for something to clutch in my hand (knowledge) before I take a step. Not so yourself. You boldly stride forward knowing that Messiah walks in you. Lucy, this is a higher level, and we all must attain to this level if we desire to live and not die.

            I saw it when you said that Messiah prays in you. You have the faith to allow Messiah to express HIMSELF in you, and this is huge:
            Today i realised that when Christ lives'''IN"" us, it is HE who prays thru us, for all the things He requires of His Church, therefore i realised for the 1st time [how dull i am] that when CHRIST-IN-ME prays = the answer will arrive.

            So when We pray for eternal life - we did not instigate this thought but Christ the Messiah did, therefore He prays to the uttermost for us so eternal life in us becomes A REAL REALITY.
            If Messiah is in us, we have HIS thoughts and prayers, HIS desires and wants, HIS talk and HIS walk, and every step becomes HIS step in life if we have truly died with HIM.

            The Dead are nailed to a Cross, stood up and fixed in position, standing at the Gate unable to walk. They do not even attempt to walk. They know that it is impossible. We however, have the thought that we can walk, that we can change position and live. You are absolutely correct about these thoughts. They can only come from Messiah, and living is in the doing of them; therefore, I pray YOU, Dear Wonderful Messiah Yahushua, that YOU continue to do in Lucy and me as well in those that we love as YOU have done for others that YOU have loved, that YOU help us to truly die with YOU so that we might truly live with YOU, and YOU truly live in us.

            Sincerely, Spying
            The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


            • #7
              Yes Spying Yes.

              i never fully realised this before only in the last few weeks.

              IT IS MESSIAH-IN-ME [Christ power in me] or [His anointing in me] that is THE PRAY-ER THRU me.
              I stand aside for i am nothing [into Thy hands i commit my Spirit] and HE PRAYS thru me what HE WANTS TO BE DONE - then HE receives the answer for me.

              I am only VESSEL for His manifestions to flow out from.
              In myself i am nothing....CHRIST IN ME - the hope of Glory.

              Paul said 'little children I DESIRE Christ to be formed IN you''
              =formed is a process
              This process is a POWER infilling process so that all our DEATHS are overcome, even the last one.
              THE FULL STATUE has to ARRIVE/BE ACHIEVED here on earth.

              the difficulty is in the walk, right?
              that is ''the cross'' working in us and this death is horrific.
              We die each time we choose life decissions.
              We die each time we allow Yahushua decide for us.
              It is IN our best interest to die this way, rather than die in the tomb of corruption.
              Somehow the Gospel has been twisted up from generation to generation.
              This twisted Gospel has been handed down SO now ''death is attractive'' rather than
              '' an enemy who gives out sin's wages' to its employees''.

              You boldly stride forward knowing that Messiah walks in you.
              Lucy, this is a higher level, and we all must attain to this level if we desire to live and not die.
              Spying let me say frankly i do not find it easy.
              Sometimes my choices are so difficult,

              but i think

              ''someday i die, i have to meet my apointment, so why not on the cross, at least, this way, it promises me LIFE''

              .... and then....

              i think
              '' do i still wish to be a battery for evil,''

              ''when I choose the cross, and the hard choices, satan is really defeated IN me BY the anointing of Christ IN me''
              so the devil sees CHRIST IN ME and backs off.

              Do u remember in the NT it is quoted [paraphrased]
              ''Jesus i know, Paul I know, but who are you''?
              The devil could see Christ in Yahushua and in Paul but not in this other person.

              we CANNOT BE - THIS OTHER PERSON.
              TO ESCAPE the devil MUST SEE CHRIST-IN-US
              if he sees 'us in us' we are done for.

              this is how i believe it works.
              We can pray to BE MADE to do His will
              [Ps 119 v 35]
              We can ''be made'' to do His will, even when our will is so low and slack.

              So when We pray for eternal life - we did not instigate this thought but Christ the Messiah did, therefore He prays to the uttermost for us so eternal life in us becomes A REAL REALITY.
              yes, that is how it works.'
              I only just realised this,
              I hate being so dull. and slow to ''get it''.
              So much time sitting in the back-blocks, when LIFE could have been florishing and manifesting - i hate my dullness.

              When That man STOOD UP at Gate beautifull, [Acts 3] it was representing US... outside the alien temple, but beside GATE BEAUTIFULL.
              Peter and John, knew how to stand aside from their own ego, and allow CHRIST POWER to flow.
              THAT is how Yahushua, trains us up too... even now He has His Disciples in training.

              Spying WE HAVE 'THE' KNOWLEDGE
              we need THE WISDOM, operating thru us.
              WHO IS ''the Wisdom'?

              It is not wise to thieve a gift of revelation from Father and benefit by selling it for $.
              When i see this, i know carnality still lives.
              Because i was a lover of Christian book stores and frequented them weekly and spared no expense to buy the lastest faddy work.....i know the atmospheres.

              NO LIFE lives there.
              THE MONEY, has cut off '''THE''' life.

              the problem with money is
              it has the materialistic POWER to get things we desire.
              ''money makes the world go around'' so the song says.
              Rich men seem 'nicer' than poor men
              Rich men have achieved success
              poor men have not.
              Rich men are respected more as money talks.

              now i see

              money in itself is not the problem
              The problem is to rely on 'the power' of money rather than FATHER for all our needs.
              MONEY and this world are passing away we know
              but by our
              depending upon the sustances from FATHER opens up THE STOREHOUSES of blessings.

              HIS STOREHOUSES, are not opened up by money, but by our wilingness to RECEIVE of Him.
              If i rely on my money to prosper i shut up the riches of the universe - and that's the real problem.
              THE LOVE of money cuts off the storehouses of heaven.


              • #8
                transformed by 'real' Life

                Father is working on His living temple for a purpose.
                As these numbers of people transform so too shall it be seen in the universe as FATHER'S life [living waters] flows out from them into the atmospheres.
                Although we have not 'eyes' to see this living atmosphere in action, we can ''see'' the results as the Cosmis begins to breath in REAL LIFE.

                this circle of death shall be finished and THE REAL LIFE, [one we are not used too] shall take over.

                This real life shall AWAKEN the sleeping.....even stars and planets under the veil of death somehow shall show forth REAL LIFE.

                Some say In 1962 this earth entered into the photon belt.- light energy.
                therefore with this 'clue' we can see..........
                Satan is already ''establishing'' his cause/belief/brain control in men
                called ''new age'' as his counterfeit act, for when THE TRUTH SHALL MANIFEST alas.....Men shall believe him.
                his strategy shall be unsuccessfull as THE REAL AND TRUTH LIFE, shall manifest and give him the knock-out blows.
                The shift shall be from fear to LOVE, U SEE
                1st fear = all fears HAVE TO BE REMOVED from the living stones.
                Fear is a hard devilish trait to be removed, but as the SPIRIT man within these living stones enlarges, FEARS SHALL cease to rule over them.
                F - false
                E - evidence
                A - appearing
                R - REAL..
                a counterfeit religion and a counterfeit system [the matrix] penetrates all sections of our lives so what we think is real is fake.
                therefore His sons, begin to GET REAL.

                The ''new age'' of satan centers around ''me'' and what ''i'' have to do.
                The living stone is Christ centered and their ''i'' is no longer a problem as it has been dealt with on the cross. Fear is a cross experience.... and only by dying to it shall we allow Christ IN us to be victorious over it for us.
                NOTHING from here HAS THE VALIDITY to control us.... nothing.
                WE ARE TO BE ENCOMPASSED about and 'tatooed'' into CHRIST so that no one sees us - BUT CHRIST IN US... the hope of Glory.
                When this happens everything around us can now breath A SIGH of relief., for the MATRIX died.


                • #9

                  The shift shall be from fear to LOVE, U SEE
                  The shift shall be from fear to LOVE, U SEE
                  The shift shall be from fear to LOVE, U SEE
                  fear......... not love rules the world.
                  it is time for the reversal OF THIS TREND.

                  RECENTLY a man i know told me he is dying he only has 2yrs left to live.
                  Fear will kill him, [a mind dis-order] probably more than his dis-ease.
                  FEAR hyponises IT'S PREY.
                  Gideon sent the fearfull home first.[jud.7]

                  I was not bold enough nor mean enough to say
                  ''Barry, do u think your'e in this tragic mess due to all those years you were cheating on Marion''?

                  i thought it, but i did not say it out aloud.

                  but what if I had.

                  would that have been ''love''?
                  or just a mean-lucy?

                  how many times are we placed in this situation
                  1] a man pleaser
                  2] say nothing
                  3] compromisers

                  therefore WE ARE TO BE TRAINED UP in love as Messiah measured out love.

                  Just as fear rules so now LOVE MUST RULE
                  just as fear is hard to erradicate so LOVE is hard to develop.

                  FEAR HAS TO GO FIRST, so in that VACANT SPOT, divine love can flood in.
                  It is a process and so we don't become disheartened.... but press on knowing, when we are ready to learn THE TEACHER shall APPEAR.


                  • #10

                    Hi Lucy,

                    Sabbath was a very busy day for me. Each Sabbath, I prepare the very best meal that I am able for the young adults who have been raised keeping the Sabbath. They come for this meal as a way of fulfilling the obligation of the Sabbath that it still imposed upon them by their parents who demand that the Sabbath be honored. At the dinner table, we sometimes engage in religious discussion and sometimes not. Occasionally, a young adult may come on their own because they like being around those with whom they were raised, and they like the food and the drink. These occasions put a smile on my face.

                    This Sabbath was also the Mardi Gras celebration in St. Louis so my son informed me this past Thursday that he would not be at the Sabbath Dinner because he was planning on attending Mardi Gras. In years past, this would have brought down fire from heaven as my reaction, but what is one to do? I feel like Eli here so I knew that I had to take some stand against this affront so I asked my son how he intended to fulfill his obligation to attend a Sabbath Day Assembly? He replied that he would attend a Jewish Synagogue on Friday evening. I agreed with his decision with an internal wink knowing that there was very little chance that his feet would actually grace the threshold of a Jewish Synagogue, and then I gave him a sermon on what the Mardi Gras represents and how it is not pleasing to ELOHIM to participate in the like. These kind of lectures go in one ear and out the next, but they must be given anyways.

                    Later, another young adult called to inform me that she would not be attending the Sabbath Dinner. I did not ask her why because I already knew. Then on Friday another young adult called to ask if I would be willing to prepare a Sabbath Breakfast for him and another cousin at 9:00 am instead of a Sabbath Dinner later (more time to Mardi Gras). I agreed eventhough I expressed some reluctance because of all the preparations I also have to make for the people attending a 10:30 am Bible Study with me that usually lasts until noon. I make some really nice snacks for those that attend this study.

                    At the Breakfast, we discussed what was pleasing to ELOHIM, and the attitude of the young adults attending was that there exists no real way to know just like there is no real way to prove that ELOHIM exists. Of course, I have a hard time containing myself in reaction to such expressions, but somehow I managed. The young adults ate and dismissed themselves.

                    Moving from Breakfast to the Bible Study, I was rather animated or riled up, and the juices were flowing so all those attending the Bible Study saw a side of me that I have kept in check thus far throughout the Study with them. I, in machine gun fashion, took them to a number of scriptures which teach renewal and LIFE NOW, and I clearly informed them that I was interested in living and not dying, that I knew that renewal of life is possible for those who know how to walk in it. I also told them that I was excited by the possibility of learning how to walk on water and learning how to fly. Of course, you know the reaction, they like the young adults who I love, they do not believe it possible for men and woman to live and not die before the coming of the Kingdom. I took them right back to the Scripture that they at first showed to me in explaining the attitudes and activities of our youth (they had earlier taken me to 2 Timothy 3:1-5):
                    2 Timothy 3:5
                    5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
                    They did not like my implication, but I had to say it nonetheless. They like my children and myself, they also hold to the form of religion while denying its power. We must learn to use the power.

                    It is very difficult to teach LIFE NOW. It takes great patience; it takes the practice of love. Above all, we must live love which is the fulfillment of the Scriptures both the Law and the Prophets including the Psalms.

                    I agree with your decision to close discussion on the Thread: Does John Remain? I feel that your concluding posts on the last several pages of that Thread to be the best that you have written.

                    Have you thought about asking your acquaintance and his wife about sitting down with you in a bible study? We have wealth and riches to share. Who knows whether he will accept such an offer, but for his sake give him the opportunity. Teach him about the possibility of living and not dying. Discuss sin in a general sense, don't accuse or excuse, but teach overcoming all things by Messiah living in us.

                    Sincerely, Spying
                    The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


                    • #11
                      hello Spying

                      thank you so much for your testimony, i enjoyed reading thru your words and seeing how others re-act and the advice they give.

                      As fear ebbs from my life, so divine agape love flows in.
                      I just have to have the right balance here to know how to SPEAK LOVE IN TRUTH, and not outrightly offend.
                      You see Spying
                      when a person is a shop owner and have been in this game for a long while.... the owner develops an attitiude of ''them and me''.
                      well i guess one cannot show their true feelings to customers for ''the customer is always right''.

                      but i shall cont.... talk soon OK?
                      i have much to learn on love Spying to be honest and more to talk about regarding ''the young ones'' AND THE WORLD.

                      this is very parent's nightmare.... and massive contraversity~! OF HOW TO RAISE UP A CHILD.
                      UMMMM... i shall be with flowers all day today Spying so i hope their love shall flow into me - for who ever hates a flower [heheheh]


                      • #12
                        the ''young ones'' ...the world....their decissions.

                        Hello today i spent my time with flowers and plants so i am hoping their loveliness shall cover me with their perfume. AS I AM POSTING.

                        I have often wondered what it shall be like to be ''UTTERLY LOVELY'' and not have one thing to mar our lives and natures..... but.... to simply flow out to all men in a harmony of some DIVINE LOVELINESS.

                        I even wonder if there is such a thing.

                        Somehow i do believe there is and this wonder impresses the atmosphere all around us as evil shrinks backwards from us..... so..... if this happened in reality ... [this shrinking back of evil from around us,] it would create a vacuum hey... therefore something else would have to flow into that vacuum so why not DIVINE LOVELINESS.

                        Maybe ''divine loveliness'' has never even been thought of before.... so now it can come into existance, all because nothing is IMPOSSIBLE before Father.

                        as yet i am still pressing towards this mark.

                        I was re-reading your post above and about the children [the young ones] and while it well may appear, they are still seeking the world many times.... do not despair, for Prayers and burdens can be answered and lifted..... it all depends upon how we re-act.

                        WHEN we give over our child to Father to take care of them all the time 24/7we have done our part, by raising them up to adults as best we knew.... now
                        it is FATHER'S RESPONSIBILITY to do with them as HE WILLS.
                        They were only ever on loan to us. We do not own them just take care of them for a short while.
                        But the real thing that was impressing me today as i was thinking over your post was this.

                        If we do the right thing,
                        + if we give them into the care of their True Father, = divine results shall take place, even if, at this present time, all seems a stale mate.
                        Remember = "seek ye 1st the Kingdom of Heaven [within us] and all else shall be added unto you'' IS AN EASY VERSE TO REMEMBER, and roll off our lips but WHEN WE DO IT.... wonders shall never cease.

                        The whole atmosphere around us is RENT and His sweet perfume flows all around us and evil knows this and ebbs away and love flows and covers all situations.

                        I saw a statement the other day that said '' it is a scientific fact flowers and plants make people happy''.... but what if..... it is a scientific fact, people who contain the divine Life within them, make people happy and a joy to be around.
                        now, wouldnt that be something Allen E.

                        People may well laugh at this suggestion, but let me declare here and now IT IS A FACT............HIS LIFE IS OUR HAPPINESS..... and there is NO other substitute.

                        as for your JW pals, i do hope they shall return to hear you speak as a divine oracle on this WONDERFULL SUBJECT of eternal life.
                        father sent them to you therefore perhaps they shall 'hear'.

                        As for my acquaintance and his wife...he has massive problems.
                        he is a customer and i have known him only as a customer for over 20yrs.
                        A customer is never a friend. I dont know why this is so.
                        There seems to be an invisible line that cannot be crossed in customer relationships. Therefore i would be unable to invite them for dinner.
                        I would only see him, when he came into the store....therefore if i do see him, i will pray before hand to say all the ''right things'' otherwise i will mess up -i just know it.

                        I am not perfected in this area yet Allen E.

                        2 Timothy 3:5
                        5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
                        These religious people who deny THE POWER OF LIFE... from such.... TURN AWAY.
                        I do believe it is because of all the negative energy these souls produce.
                        Infact they are death, for they contain the DEATH GENE.

                        phew.... YOU CAN ''SEE'' this at work in their religious lives.... death has invaded them. THEY CANNOT RULE IN LIFE.

                        FROM SUCH turn away,
                        are these people beyond help?

                        why is it recorded we do this and not keep on striving with them?
                        perhaps ''long suffering'' has a limited duration?
                        Last edited by LucySmith; 02-05-2008, 11:01 PM.


                        • #13
                          Sweet Smelling Nectar!

                          Hi Lucy,

                          Flowers are wonderful. They brighten every occasion, and I love the smell of them. I can't resist smelling roses, but it seems most of them no longer have a pleasing odor. We are flowers whose petals are being renewed, and all come to us for nectar, and through us, the pollen of LIFE NOW is being carried to the world by all those who do come to us. Our work is the work of the YAHWEH (1 Corinthians 15:58).

                          We each have a circle of acquaintances, that is, we are Galileans, and some of us have larger circles than others. You, my Lady, have a huge circle, and don't worry, we are all just learning. We are disciples of Messiah, and if HE has made HIS abode with us, can we not help but to do a great work because HE works in and through us:
                          I am not perfected in this area yet Allen E.
                          And neither am I. Indeed, as I study and read your writings, I feel myself far behind your progress or position in the race of races.

                          I do not at all mean, in offering you advice, that you should invite your customers to dinner. When people come to my home, I am very hospitable in a physical sense, and I find it natural to share the spiritual with my guests especially if they have come to me with open bibles. Away from my home, I am less comfortable with opening up to folks and with offering to share with them the truth that LIFE NOW is available for all to whom it has been opened. LIVING, that is, accomplishing LIFE NOW is the food of the ELOHIM, and this food is a gift that the ELOHIM share freely with all those who are drawn to them as bees are to flowers.

                          We can offer LIFE NOW, but we cannot make anyone eat it, that is, live it! So, I only really meant for you to offer to share the possibility of living and not dying with your acquaintance by offering to meet with him and his wife and simply go over a few scriptures with him and her that promise life and not death. I say the both of them so that your acquaintance would not get the wrong idea about your interest in him.

                          The whole world is starving in this regard. They are all like concentration camp inmates who have been deprived of food and drink their whole life. They are starved to death, and they haven't the slightest idea of their emaciated, deadly condition. They must be fed and introduced to food and drink very slowly because they are not used to food at all.

                          I have not been aware of this in the past. I would attempt to force a five course meal on the starving. They only need a small dose of nectar. The pollen is in that dose, and if they acquire a taste for it, and this acquiring comes from ELOHIM, they will come back for more, won't they?

                          This is what is happening in my Sabbath Bible Study. I have been primarily questioning with them when they tell me this or that. I encourage them to speak and share their ideas, and I will sometimes tell them that they would have a hard time convincing me of this or that teaching, but they are more than welcome to try. Other times, I leave their false ideas go without challenge until what appears to be an opportune moment just like last Sabbath when I opened up and gave them some sweet nectar. This is after about two months of weekly bible studies. Now, we will see whether they keep coming back for more.

                          Sincerely, Spying
                          The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


                          • #14
                            hello Spying

                            i know your'e prospering IN Life.... on your sabbath day.
                            I do hope you gave your guests... THE LIFE, as a sabbath gift.,

                            Our shop is in change over mode today... everyone is on deck for the maddening crowds for Valentines day next, Thursday. It is good to see this change, cuz new ideas come from change.
                            ''Life'' flowers and roses are sent out by their thousands from my shoppe.

                            you wrote
                            The whole world is starving in this regard.
                            Yes, THIS IS IN reality and spiritually. Apparently the world food grain stocks is way down and famine is to be expected so i have read.

                            Spiritual famine is not possible for those who eat from the hidden manna.
                            Spying, we are Blessed.

                            speaking about ''concentration camps''
                            They are all like concentration camp inmates who have been deprived of food and drink their whole life
                            I was so shocked to find out that it was ''the christian churchy country of England'' introduced concentration camps for the Boer war...along with the cubans.... sheez.

                            can u actually believe this?
                            well it is so.
                            It was a Spanish general, Valeriano Weyler, who established the first reconcentrados or “concentration centers” in Cuba in his drive to suppress the 1895 rebellion.
                            Britain introduced concentration camps on a massive scale during the Boer War from 1899 to 1902.
                            To deny the Boer guerrillas food and intelligence, Gen. Lord Kitchener ordered the British Army to sweep the Transvaal and Orange River territories of South Africa “clean.” Civilians—women, children, the elderly, and some men of fighting age—were herded from their homes and concentrated in camps along railway lines, with a view to their eventual removal from the territory. The Boers, to whom these camps became a symbol of genocide, called them laagers.
                            look at the name of this Monster in the flesh... Gen. Lord Kitchener ....Kitchener.... the kitchen is for food and this vile person denied food from the english kitchens to the white africian captives perhaps some were even ''churchian''.
                            can u believe this?

                            People starved to death in the natural = People starved to death in the spiritual.
                            DEATH IS LORD.
                            Yahushua reveals to us THE HIDDEN MANNA so we don't die from spiritual food famines. He has to have His church ALIVE AND WELL.... THAT IS WHY THE GATES OF HELL/GRAVE shall not overtake here.
                            consider Plx.
                            True religion really means REALITY RELATIONSHIP growing and maturing.

                            Col. 1:26,27. "The mystery hidden from ages and generations, but now made manifest to his saints. To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."
                            False religion, keeps people in hope but delivers nothing
                            ever learning, but, never attaining.
                            i read this line once and how true is it?
                            The greatest mystery of evil is when that merchant convinces the buyer that he has received the purchased material when he has not.
                            The mystery of Apostacy causes great famine not only in ''the church'' but in ''the earth''.
                            As our Saviour is, so are His people
                            consider this question Plx.
                            Would you open a concentration camp Ab?
                            and if u say ''NO''....
                            why not? why are you not like this vile English Lord?
                            is it because THE CHRIST NATURE IS FORMING IN YOU.....

                            Go and look at this ''Lord's'' face... look at his eyes.... they explain it all.
                            he is dead.
                            On 5th June 1916, Horatio Kitchener was drowned when the HMS Hampshire on which he was traveling to Russia, was struck a mine off the Orkneys.
                            That evil beast within cannot stay hidden too long....
                            If ye now look at the man who objected to such cruelity David Lloyd George
                            ....look at his eyes.
                            see how they are bright..see the difference?

                            Father will teach us how to ''look'' and how to ''see'' all people.


                            • #15
                              re think

                              spying u wrote...
                              The whole world is starving in this regard.
                              They are all like concentration camp inmates who have been deprived of food and drink their whole life. They are starved to death, and they haven't the slightest idea of their emaciated, deadly condition
                              let us consider this Plx.
                              ''like concentration camp inmates''.

                              death was the ONLY FOOD Lord H. Kitchener, could give these inmates in his concentration camps, - his ''kitchen'' served up death each day to the inmates.

                              It is amazing just how much destruction one man can sow.
                              I ask
                              ''can Father have this type of ''leader'' and war monger ruling upon HIS THRONE?''

                              I give this man as our example seeing he was ONE of the 1st to introduce these camps.
                              Ofcourse, they became the ''fashion'' for war all mongering leaders.... just about every Leader has to have a some type of concentration camp.

                              Its the fashion u see.


                              Why dont we now look at Lizzie van Zyl, the handywork of Lord Kitchener. Can u see little Lizzie?
                              SCROLL DOWN AND SEE LIZZIE.

                              there she is dying beside this comment.
                              South Africa

                              Lizzie van Zyl, shortly before her death in Bloemfontein Concentration CampThe term concentration camp was first used by the British military during the Boer War (1899-1902).
                              Facing attack by Boer guerrillas, British forces rounded up the Boer women and children as well as black people living on Boer land, and sent them to 34 tented camps scattered around South Africa.
                              This was done as part of a scorched earth policy to deny the boer guerrillas access to the supplies of food and clothing they needed to continue the war. The term "concentration camp" may well have been first used by the British,this however does not take away the fact that the first recognisable concentration camp was Andersonville,established in 1865 during the American Civil War.
                              Over 12,000 Union prisoners died there in atrocious conditions.
                              The camps were situated at Aliwal North, Balmoral, Barberton, Belfast, Bethulie, Bloemfontein, Brandfort, East London[5], Heidelberg, Heilbron, Howick, Irene, Kimberley, Klerksdorp, Kroonstad, Krugersdorp, Merebank, Middelburg, Norvalspont, Nylstroom, Pietermaritzburg, Pietersburg, Pinetown, Port Elizabeth, Potchefstroom, Springfontein, Standerton, Turffontein, Vereeniging, Volksrust, Vredefort, Vryburg and Winburg.

                              Though they were not extermination camps, the women and children of Boer men who were still fighting were given smaller rations than others. The poor diet and inadequate hygiene led to endemic contagious diseases such as measles, typhoid and dysentery. Coupled with a shortage of medical facilities, this led to large numbers of deaths — a report after the war concluded that 27,927 Boer (of whom 22,074 were children under 16) and 14,154 black Africans had died of starvation, disease and exposure in the camps. In all, about 25% of the Boer inmates and 12% of the black African ones died (although recent research suggests that the black African deaths were underestimated and may have actually been around 20,000).

                              In contrast to these figures, only around 3,000 Boer men were killed (in combat) during the Second Boer War.

                              ummmm....Poor Lizzie, she is the natural picture of a World ruled by the beast within men.

                              As you said Spying... ''starving to death''.
                              This world system creates LIZZIES.


                              BUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO BE ''SAVED''?
                              well what do u mean by ''saved''?