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    There are many reasons not to trust the Greek Scriptures, Iesous and his followers. Here is just one.

    Anyone keeping Pesach (Passover) and Matzah (Feast of Unleavened) understands the significance of YHUH'S command to remove chametz (leaven).

    According to the Greek Scriptures, Iesous nor his disciples observed this command, therefore they sinned.
    Matthew 26 (Mark 14:12, 22; Luke 22:7, 19)
    17) And at the beginning of Unleavened (azumos) came the disciples to Iesou, saying to him, Where do you desire we prepare for you to eat the Pascha (Passover)?
    26) And as they ate, Iesous took the bread (artos, which is LEAVENED bread) and blessing, he broke and gave to the disciples and said, Take, eat, this is the body of me.
    The Greek word for unleavened bread is AZUMOS (# 106) but it clearly states that they used ARTOS (#740), which is LEAVENED bread.

    Iesous took LEAVENED bread and gave it to his disciples, and told them, "Take, eat". Iesous knowingly caused his disciples to SIN.

  • #2
    Thanks Sandy, this is the perfect piece of knowledge to gain on the second day of pesach. "Which of you convinceth me of sin?" ... unleavened bread?...{Seven days shall you eat unleavened bread; even the first day you shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whomsoever eatheth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.} Jn.8:46>>>Ex.12:15,...Cut off from Israel? ....Michael


    • #3
      You are welcome, Thummim.

      Here is what one Jewish person had to say concerning the New Testament and Pesach.

      Part one

      1 Nisan
      Rashi explains that on this date, Rosh Chodesh, B'nei Yisroel was given the instructions by Moshe for taking the Karbon Pesach {sacrificial lamb} on the tenth of Nisan. The lamb was a deity of the people of Mitzriam. The lamb was tied to the bedpost until it was offered as the karbon.

      Torah states, "Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month {Nisan} they shall take every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for a house" {Exodus 12:3}

      10 Nisan
      The tenth of Nisan in the year 2448 fell on Shabbos. That is why the Shabbos immediately before Pesach begins is termed Shabbos HaGadol, "The Great Shabbos." On Shabbos HaGadol a special Haftorah portion is read, Malachi 3:4-24.

      The Torah continues, "Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year; you shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats; And you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month; and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

      14 Nisan
      The term used for "in the evening" is Bayn, {meaning between or divided between} Haw Ahr Baw Yim {meaning evening or evening prayers}. So one may ask, When does evening begin? Morning is the first half of the day. Morning is from sunrise until midday. Evening is the second half of the day. Evening is from midday until sunset. Midday or noon is the exact time between morning and evening. IT IS NOT TWELVE NOON!

      Hebrew days are divided into twelve hours. This year in the US the first day of summer is June 21st and is our longest day, fifteen. However a Biblical day is only twelve hours. To understand the length of a Biblical hour we divide 15 hours {900 minutes} by 12 Hebrew hours. A Biblical hour on the first day of summer is 1 1/4 hours or 75 minutes long. The first half of the day (depending on where you live) is from 5:31 am to 1:01 pm. The second half of the day is from 1:01 pm to 8:31 pm.

      Now compare the shortest day of the year, which is December 22nd this year, and is the first day of winter here in the US. Sunrise (again it depends on where you live) is at 7:18 am and sunset is at 4:18 pm. The first day of winter is just 9 hours and 20 minutes long. However the Biblical day for the first day of winter is still twelve hours. To understand the length of a Biblical hour we divide 9 hours and 20 minutes {560 minutes} by 12 Hebrew hours. A Biblical hour on December 22nd is apx. 46.66 minutes long. The first half of the day is from 7:18 am to 11:58 am. The second half of the day is from 11:58 pm to 4:38 pm.

      For example:
      In the year 5760 in Yerushalyim the Karbon Pesach could be sacrificed between the American hours of apx. 12:35 pm and 7:11 pm.

      The time is extremely important because ALL CHOMETZ {leavened bread} had to be removed removed before the sixth hour on the fourteenth of Nisan. It was forbidden to offer the Karbon Pesach before all chometz had been removed!

      Hashem said, "Do not offer the blood of my sacrifice {the Karbon Pesach} with leaven {bread present}. Exodus 34:25

      Now there is a point to all of this especially for the Christians / Messianics.
      1. The sacrifice, the Karbon Pesach, is a male lamb or a male goat. IT IS NOT A HUMAN! Even symbolically speaking it would be wrong to suggest a human as an offering.

      2. The Karbon Pesach had to be "a male of the first year". Jesus again does not qualify.

      3. The Karbon Pesach had to be "without blemish". Jesus again did not qualify. According to the New Testament, he was beaten, pierced and injured.

      4. The Karbon Pesach had to be offered before the conclusion of the twelfth hour of daylight. After the conclusion of the twelfth hour of daylight the twelve hours of night began. Then it was too late to offer the Karbon Pesach. The death of Jesus was well after that time on the 15th of Nisan, late in the afternoon after the ninth hour. {Matthew 27:46:50}.

      5. The Karbon Pesach was offered on the Temple courtyard grounds. Again Jesus does not qualify. He died according to the New Testament at Golgotha. {Matthew 27:33}.


      • #4
        Part two
        The New Testament states, "Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying to him, Where do you want us to prepare to eat the passover? Matthew 26:19

        This should have been well before the sixth hour. Holy people begin weeks in advance preparing for Pesach. To wait until hours before all chometz was forbidden before even asking the question, "Where do you want us to prepare to eat the passover?" should be of extreme concern for anyone who makes claims to Jesus' absolute perfection and righteousness.

        In addition, no mention is made as to obtaining a lamb or goat on the tenth of Nisan as required by the Torah.

        The New Testament states, "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said to him. Where do you want us to prepare that you may eat the passover?" Mark 14:12

        The New Testament states, "Then the day of unleavened bread came when the passover must be killed. He {Jesus} sent Peter and John, saying, 'Go prepare us the passover that we may eat.'

        and they said to him, "Where do you want us to prepare it?"

        Matthew, Mark and Luke all clearly state that Jesus' disciples went to prepare the Passover meal. They each also state:

        Matthew, "When the {that} evening was come...

        Mark, "And when the {that} evening was come he {Jesus} came with the twelve and they sat down and did eat..."

        Luke, "And they went, and found as he had said to them and made the passover ready. And when the hour was come {after dark and after evening prayers} he sat down with the twelve..."

        Matthew, Mark and Luke each state that Jesus sat down to eat the Passover meal. HOWEVER John contradicts their record.

        John says, "Now before the feast of passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father...and supper being ended the devil having now put into Judas Iscariot, Simon's son to betray him..." John 13:1,2

        Matthew, Mark and Luke state Jesus sat down to eat his Passover meal but we have John stating it was "BEFORE THE FEAST OF PASSOVER."

        Remember one cannot begin the Passover meal until after dark, until after kiddish {blessing on the wine and the matzoh}.

        Next we notice that "AS THEY WERE EATING" {the Passover meal} Jesus took leavened, forbidden bread, bread that represented sin, bread that G-d said Jews were forbidden to eat or even posses in their home during Pesach!

        Next we notice that they were already "EATING" before kiddish, before the wine was first blessed, before the matzoh was blessed following the wine

        Next we notice the seder order is backwards. Jesus blessed the bread before the wine.

        Dear reader, these types of problems are generally unknown to most Christians/Messianics because they do not truly understand the Torah or the correct process of the Pesach seder. They haven't consider that Jesus took leavened bread instead of matzoh. They don't know that one does not begin the Pesach meal without first saying kiddush. They do not know that the blessing is first said on the wine and then on the matzoh?

        What these contradictions to the Torah show is that either the writers did not know the most basic precepts of Torah or they openly violated the very concept of Pesach.

        The New Testament violates Torah! It teaches errors! It corrupts the very meaning of Pesach! It contradicts itself!

        Later during the Pesach according to John, "He {Jesus} arose from supper, and laid aside his garments and took a towel and girded himself and poured water into a basin and began to WASH THE DISCIPLES feet, and to wipe them with the towel..." John 13:3,4

        This sin is so obvious to observant Jews and should be a clear sign like the other aforementioned problems that Jesus and his disciples were NOT TORAH OBSERVANT.

        Later that evening, after the seder meal, Mark states that "Jesus and his disciples went out to the Mount of Olives." Matthew 26:30 While there "Judas one of the twelve, came with a great multitude with swords and with staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people." Matthew 26:47 Mark 14, 26, 43; Luke 22:39, 47.

        John adds to this description, "Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, came with lanterns and torches and weapons." John 18:3

        Have we lost sight of the fact that this is Pesach? This is the night of the first seder! It is on this night that we are commanded to remember at our Pesach table what happened in Mitzriam. The Chief Priest {SINGULAR, there is only one Kohen Godal, not two} had his own very serious areas of responsibilities to perform and prepare for, PLUS the mitzvah of Pesach. To suggest that this most holy man had the desire and the time to plan, arrest, convene a court on Yom Tov, call witnesses and convict a man is so unbelievably ludicrous, it is beyond imagination!!

        Not only are we talking about work on the Yom Tov, which is forbidden, we are talking about disrupting the Pesach Seder of the holiest men of Kal Yisroel and many other Yidden. The New Testament totally lacks credibility in making such claims. The Kohen Godal is not going to disrupt his Pesach seder with his family. He is NOT going to disrupt the Pesach seder of the men sitting on the Bais Din, he is NOT going to work or require men to work on a day on which work is forbidden! He is not going to be the source of such false accusations as written in the New Testament!

        Christians/Messianics who do not understand the Torah cannot and will not see how utterly false and utterly impossible these claims of the New Testament are.

        The New Testament records, "When the morning was come, {15 Nisan} all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death." Matthew 27:1

        How can one be in the Bais HaMikdosh {the Holy Temple} in morning prayers that last for hours and at the same time be consorting to kill another Jew? Have we forgotten that every Jewish male is required to appear before Hashem on three separate occasions each year? Pesach is one of these times!

        Just consider what the New Testament is claiming here.

        In Yerushalyim at this time of year sunrise is about 6:04 am which is the time for morning prayers. Sunset is about 7:11 pm that means the time for morning prayers must conclude well in advance of 12:35 pm. In other words, even though the time between 6:04 am and 12:35 pm is the first half of the day, the first six hours, 12:35 is NOT actually morning. Essentially after three Biblical hours have passed it cannot be considered morning any longer. Then it is midday.

        The point is that on Pesach with Shacharis and Mussaf prayers and offerings in the Bais HaMikdosh, time is a factor. One must consider that most everyone has not slept the previous night, that the Pesach seder lasted most of the night if not all of the night. One must consider the holiness of the day of Pesach. When one considers these factors it is unrealistic to state that anyone, let alone the Kohen Godal, had time to take counsel against Jesus. It is unreasonable!

        Another point where time was a serious factor was when Jesus died after the ninth hour on Erev Shabbos. Joseph, who is credited with removing Jesus' body, would have only around 3 hours and 20 minutes to journey from the death site to Pilate; obtain permission from Pilate to receive Jesus' body; make arrangements for a burial place; remove the body to that place; wash, wrap and prepare; then visit a mikveh in accordance with the laws of uncleanness. When taking into account the distances back and forth, short delays in obtaining permission, etc., 3 hours and twenty minutes is not feasible. Matthew 27:57-59; Mark 15:42-47; Luke 23:50-56.

        Now in Matthew, Mark and Luke, the day of Jesus' death was called the preparation day which is from Thursday night until Shabbos begins. John on the other hand indicates that the "Sabbath was an high day" that Shabbos and Pesach fell on the same day. John 19:31
        This points out many incorrect reports surrounding Jesus' Passover meal, arrest, conviction and death. It does not require a great education to understand many of these VERY BASIC problems, just simple and careful research. It is clear that the New Testament makes many unsupported claims.


        • #5

          Sandy, In anger, I've twice ripped the NT out of bibles that I was studying. My nephew has done the same thing in front of his {former} wife. The more JEWish one becomes, the more insulting the NT also becomes. To my way of thinking, the christians do to the JEWish soul, what the nazi's did to the JEWish body. Then too, I doubt that the holocaust would have happened if christianity hadn't made an innocent people, it's JEWs! Bringing the truth out into the open, so that christians can see how anti-JEWish the NT is, doesn't get past the anti-JEWish bias of christianity. It takes a good name to resist the assault. Still, the truth is the best weapon, after a good name. The new testement passover in no way resembles a pesach seder. Where is the hagadah? where is the "telling", when do we get to the story of the exodus? ....Michael


          • #6
            Shalom Sandy and Thummim,

            Sandy, that is a very interesting post. I am not sure if it is really known that Jesus' Pessach Seder is NOT celebrated IN A FAMILY setting as commanded in HaTorah so that the children will learn, and so on. Jesus celebrated the Pessach Seder alone with his gang of talmudim. So none of them were actually HaTorah observant. All this in itself is an outright disobedience to HaTorah by all of them. Although I don't believe that the Christians care because they say that Jesus came to destroy the Law or to put an end to it. Paul says that Jesus nailed the Law to the "cross." so it no longer has any effect on anyone. They don't realize that while Jesus was still alive he was breaking the Law right and left. The Sanhedrin would have had many LAWFUL reasons for killing Jesus other than the ones that the Christians came up with in the NT. The NT was written the way Christianity ought to be.

            Colossians 2:13 (NIV) When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
            14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

            The Christians are totally ignorant of HaTorah. There are thousands of Bible institutes all over the world teaching "the whole Bible," but they teach it the way Christianity thinks it ought to be. They are making the rules as they play the game. That is why there are so many different Christian denominations diametrically opposed to each other. I remember one rabbi saying that Christianity uses the Tanakh the way a drunkard uses a light pole for support and not necessarily for illumination.

            I wonder whatever happened to Eliyah, Angel #7, The Old Shep, and other die hard Christians who are always accusing me of lying. I assume that they must be burying their heads into the ground. They don't show any love for the truth. It seems that they were run over by the truth and gave up the fight. Their silence is deafening!

            By the way, I still believe that there was a historical Jesus, but the Gospels were written many years after the facts and hardly anybody remembers anything of what the historical Jesus did or said. I believe that he was probably a HaTorah observant Jew but that his real life and deeds were grossly exaggerated and distorted in the process of inventing Christianity. Paul himself says that anything he knows about Jesus he learned by himself in trances, visions, dreams, revelations, and other spooky experiences. Paul never ever quoted Jesus' real life sayings. Paul despised anything that he could possibly learn from Jesus' disciples. So I can't really judge the historical Jesus, I only judge the phony one invented by the Christians.

            Galatians 2:6 (NIV) As for those who seemed to be important--whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not judge by external appearance--those men added nothing to my message.

            Above all, it was Paul who invented the "Lord's Supper" (i.e. to sup on "The LORD"). Paul incorporated the "Lord's Supper" in a cannibalistic setting. The "gospels" were written 30 to 50 years after Paul wrote his first letter. Paul's first letter was written about 30 years after Jesus' death. So the "gospel" writers had to stuff Paul's version of the "Lord's Supper" the way we read it today. The Jews had to be blamed for everything, too. The Christians are totally HaTorah ignorant so it is no surprise that since the early 1500s they dogmatically accept anything written in the NT as "divinely inspired" without any question. Actually they are not allowed to question anything. My question is, will the truth have any effect on them? Are we living at the dawn of a new era?

            Zechariah 8:19-23 * This is what Yahweh Almighty says: "The fasts of the fourth, fifth, seventh and tenth months will become joyful and glad occasions and happy festivals for Yahudah. Therefore love truth and peace."
            20 This is what Yahweh Almighty says: "Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come,
            21 and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say, `Let us go at once to entreat Yahweh and seek Yahweh Almighty. I myself am going.'
            22 And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek Yahweh Almighty and to entreat him."
            23 This is what Yahweh Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, `Let us go with you, because we have heard that Elohim is with you.'"
            "...and the truth will set you free."--Jesus Christ


            • #7

              Baruch hashem Stranger, the truth had an effect on us, so there has to be hope in the truth. Loving the JEWish peoples is what had the greatest effect on me, though. I realized that those I loved were being assaulted and I quickly turned to defend them from the assault. I imagine that it was simular for you. We tend to protect those whom we love, with vigor. The ovens of the holocaust burned me and left me choking on thick dark clouds. I'm covered with ashes. ....Michael


              • #8

                Hi Everyone,

                My love for Adonai Yahushua has had the greatest effect on me. I first began to seek after him, unknowingly at the time, while I was in training to become a Lutheran minister. I was either a junior or senior in college probably sometime in 1967 or 1968. I began to question many things. This questioning resulted in my complete repudiation of the Jesus as taught by the Lutheran Church. On December 7th, 1977, I did grab hold of the Jew, Messiah Yahushua, and I did die with him through my baptism, making public confession that henceforth HE would be my Adonai. On that day I felt as clean as a new born babe, unleavened. Today, a number of years later, the first day of unleavened bread, I feel dirty, leavened, but this I do know, in his mercy, Messiah has made me a part of himself to cleanse me from all my sin in order that he can live with me for an eternity. So, Messiah, who is unleavened, has suffered leavening (sin) to enter his body through me. I suppose it would be similar to someone deliberately infecting oneself with a disease in order to render the disease and all its effects harmless.

                I am eternally grateful to Adonai Yahushua for this mercy and loving kindness towards me, and publicly implore him to continue to purify me and my brothers and sisters until the day in which he will present all of us to himself completely unleavened. Thank you, YAHWEH Yahushua for your suffering and your mercy.

                Sincerely, Spying
                The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


                • #9

                  Spying, your bending of the truth, to vindicate yourself through (jesus), doesn't play right. It's the truth that sets you free according to your messiah. Don't try to make the sin of eating leavened bread on the sabboth, and feeding it to others, look like righteousness. Right now, I think that you would try to make anything that (jesus) is said to have done, look like righteousness. It isn't {tzaddik}. You may be adding the sin of the author(s), to your messiah. Hasn't it occured to you, that the written account, may be inaccurate? If so, you are adding sin to your messiah. Then again, perhaps your messiah is corrupt. You shouldn't add unrighteousness to him by justifing a sin, which he himself might condemn. Call sin, sin. This call is a simple one, and you know the real answer here. What couldn't you justify in the name of (jesus), when you become willing to slight the truth? The name of (JESUS) has justified much evil in it's history. Christianity does have a history. Too close a look, at this history, is very unpleasent to christians. Trying to cover a sin, only leaves your faith limping. ....Michael


                  • #10
                    Thanks Sandy

                    I have placed Sandy's post on the Holeyboard Forum. I feel it has great significance.

                    May our Father bless your coming in and your going out...forevermore.


                    • #11
                      Covered Sin!

                      Hi Thummim,

                      With all due respects to you, you do not know what you are talking about. If covering sin is indicative of a limping faith, then the faith of YAHWEH is indeed limping:
                      Ps 32:1-2
                      1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
                      2 Blessed is the man unto whom (the) YAHWEH imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. (KJV)

                      Ps 85:1-2
                      1 YAHWEH, thou hast been favourable unto thy land: thou hast brought back the captivity of Jacob.
                      2 Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah. (KJV)
                      Sincerely, Spying
                      The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


                      • #12
                        Iesous is NOT the begotten son of YHUH. That would be a violation of his command of kind with kind.

                        Mixing of the elohim with human women was the reason that he destroyed the earth with a flood. If that isn't a good enough reason to convince you, is adultery? Mary, the mother of Iesous, was a married woman.



                        • #13

                          …..Spying, you need to read a little deeper into what you are quoting. Ps.32:5, I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said I will confess my transgressions unto YHWH; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. … (than eating leaven on pesach, is not a sin that you can acknowledge?) I will instruct thee and teach thee, in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye. Ps.32:8 The Psalmist is instructed, not to eat leaven on the days of pesach. When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long. For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: Note,{It is best to call the sin, a sin.} I do not have trouble seeing that there is an assault against the people of YHWH within the pages of the NT. The very verse that you quote, Ps.85:2, gives this people the vindication that christianity denies them. A messiah that teaches his people sin, by his example, makes a poor teacher of YHWH’s ways. You want to put the JEWish people on another path, which YHWH has warned them not to take. It is this assault upon the JEWish people that has my concern. Circle the term, “the JEWs” as it occurs within the gospel of John and in the following book of Acts. You will see that the authors observe the JEWish people, with bias. The NT is not an attempt to vindicate JEWs, but rather to condemn them. We like to point out, that the accusers are no more righteous, then those that they are accusing. The truth is on our side. If we make any errors, we will acknowledge them. Fighting against the truth is not a battle that we want to be a part of. Also, it needs to be noted, that it is YHWH, that covers sin. It is not (jesus) that does so. He can use some covering himself. He has created a faith that is responsible for bringing great suffering to the “redeemed” people. Acknowledge that YHWH’s people are a redeemed people. Christians have a hard time granting salvation to the people, to whom it belongs. The JEWish people have found a few friends who will defend them, still, christianity is the crushing stone, that lays heavy, upon their name. Without christianity making the JEWish people, their JEWs, this people would have found their salvation a long time ago. …. Michael


                          • #14
                            Kinship with Jews!

                            Hi Thummim,

                            You are no different in your approach and assessment of the activity of Messiah than Yahushua's Jewish brethren two thousand years ago:
                            John 5:14-18
                            14 Afterward Yahushua findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
                            15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Yahushua, which had made him whole.
                            16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Yahushua, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
                            17 But Yahushua answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
                            18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that ELOHIM was his Father, making himself equal with ELOHIM. (KJV)
                            The reason why you, Thummim, Sandy, and others have a problem with Messiah breaking the Sabbath, or, for that matter, eating leavening with the Passover (I am not admitting here that Messiah did do so), is because you are totally ignorant of the spiritual work of Messiah.

                            Obviously, Messiah himself was a Jew; therefore, he himself was under the Law and, accordingly, was required to be in submission to the Law. Messiah at the same time was engaged in a secret work which on occasion brought Messiah into conflict with the physical keeping of the Law. This secret work is the spiritual fulfillment of the Law. I know that Sandy would like for me to define "spiritual fulfillment" for her, but I would prefer in this context to relate to you an example of spiritual fulfillment.

                            Christians believe that Messiah was a priest. Now, it is obvious to all that Messiah is not a physical priest. He is of the tribe of Judah, not Levi. So, on the one hand, we can say that the Christians are quite wrong unless a priesthood exists apart from Levi. On the other hand, if a secret priesthood exists, then Levi is diminished in importance, and all of Judaism is called into question, are they not? So, this is an important issue, whether or not there exists another side or dimension to the fulfillment of the Law.

                            Now, Messiah himself admits above that he is engaged in a work. This work is not just any old work. It is also the work of the Father. Messiah learned of this work through watching his Father work. We all know how that comes about. We were all at one time also children who watched our physical fathers work, and we learned by their example.

                            If Messiah is a priest engaged in a priestly work, then ELOHIM is also a priest engaged in a priestly work. Has ELOHIM ever healed anyone of their diseases? Has ELOHIM ever refused to make someone whole on the Sabbath? If you were sick, would you yourself refuse to be healed on the Sabbath? No, healing is very important work to those less than whole, and healing was a very important work to Messiah because Messiah was not just any old priest. Messiah was the spiritual High Priest of YAHWEH.

                            Look at what the Law requires concerning the High Priest:
                            Lev 21:17-24
                            17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his ELOHIM.
                            18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
                            19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
                            20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
                            21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of (the) YAHWEH made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his ELOHIM.
                            22 He shall eat the bread of his ELOHIM, both of the most holy, and of the holy.
                            23 Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I (the) YAHWEH do sanctify them.
                            24 And Moses told it unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel. (KJV)
                            Whenever Messiah found anyone who believed in him ("This is the work of ELOHIM, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."), Messiah automatically identified with them. He saw them as himself. If Messiah is the High Priest, then he could not enter into the spiritual holy place blemished. The rules, the Law, required him to therefore heal all who came to him in belief. I am thankful for this priesthood and this work.

                            So, if, indeed, Messiah's work, operating as a spiritual High Priest, led to the physical healing of many, only those not familiar with his work would stand back and condemn it as did the Jews. Now, you, Thummim, you Sandy, you Stranger, are doing the same today because you have no insight into Messiah's work. By your condemnation of Messiah, you are indeed proving your kinship with the Jews.

                            Now, I at this point, do not know whether or not Messiah had unleavened bread present at the Passover two thousand years ago. If he did, he had a good reason for doing so. He was engaged in a spiritual work that sometimes brought him into conflict with the physical keeping of the Law.

                            Have a good Sabbath!

                            Sincerely, Spying

                            The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


                            • #15
                              Hello Spying
                              You wrote:
                              Obviously, Messiah himself was a Jew; therefore, he himself was under the Law and, accordingly, was required to be in submission to the Law. Messiah at the same time was engaged in a secret work which on occasion brought Messiah into conflict with the physical keeping of the Law. This secret work is the spiritual fulfillment of the Law
                              This statement is a complete contradiction. If you are to keep the Torah physically your are to also keep the Torah spiritually. If those of the spiritual world that you speak of do not abide by Torah then your spiritual world is no different from the physical world.

                              You actually want us to believe it is okay to purposely break the commands and/or Torah of YHUH spiritually, but not physically.