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  • 64,000$ question...did Lazarus die twice?

    now this is ONE interesting question.

    When we enter into LIFE by revelation from the Spirit [Jhn 11 v 25] we BECOME as a small child and a small child asks WHY? all the time.
    I am a new small child in the kingdom of God and i love to ask why? and i dont stop till i find out....i am a seeker of hard questions....and when i know i grow.
    I NEED TO KNOW my answers, that way i can grow into them
    so
    here is a hard question and i am not really interested in a churchian theory cuz they all die anyways and love their death'god'' and the first thing they will say is YES Lazarus redied.

    well if that is the case the bible is a fraud and a liar.... and cannot be trusted for it clearly says
    Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
    therefore each one of us has to keep our appointment....with death,

    but did u notice the bible verse numbers here
    9 and 27
    in bible numerics
    no 9 - judgement or fruit of the spirit
    IF WE ARE QUICKENED INTO LIFE, WITH A QUICKENED SPIRIT...WE HAVE COME OUT from the judgement [the law of sin and death] and into LIFE.
    we have received THE FRUIT from the Spirit TO LIVE AS OUR SAVIOUR KNEW HOW.

    "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
    NO 27 in bible Numerics is ''preaching the Gospel''
    the GOSPEL = HOW TO PASS FROM DEATH INTO LIFE.

    exactly what my pal SPYING AND I ARE PREACHING.


    we can DIE IN SIN - JUDGED A SINNER
    OR
    we can DIE TO SIN.....BUT WHATEVER way we die.... we keep our appointment.
    sinners - die because of sinning carnal minds.
    saints- die, on the cross daily to selfhood.[it is NO LONGER I WHO LIVE ['i'' IS dead''] but CHRIST THE annointed POWER HAS BECOME ALIVE IN me.

    so we are told Lazarus died. John 11 v 14 = plainly.
    Lazarus was dead 4days....after his raising the bible records NO DEATH again for this man. Why then do religious people presume? he died?

    let us remember this factor

    the Holy Spirit is our GUIDE INTO THE TRUTH, not the ''pastor'' and his creed's opinions.
    so
    punch line IS THIS........................................................................
    Lazarus became a living witness to the MIRACLE CALLED LIFE - MESSIAH OUR SAVIOUR.''
    I AM the WAY, the TRUTH AND the L.I.F.E.
    this LIVING WITNESS
    LIVING to prove as a WITNESS OF RESURRECTION LIFE
    = SEE JOHN 11 V 25
    becomes a living temple,is he not?
    and
    the bible is clear Abba is the God of the LIVING.

    THE LIVING TEMPLE FOR A LIVING GOD.
    IF U FOLLOW THE WAY, INTO THE TRUTH YOU WILL RECEIVE THE LIFE.
    Jesus was this temple and now Lazarus had become a LIVING WITNESS to glory.

    11 times we are told in the NT the C.P.'s tried to kill Messiah, but now look again here,

    But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death


    how crazy is that!!!!!
    can u possible see the MADNESS of the carnal mind and the insanity of evil.

    WHY DID THESE DEVIL MEN, [steeped in puke religion of their own making, wearing the garb of the snake, the murderer!!!!!] try to kill Jesus, + plotted to kill the arisen Lazarus?

    because on account of him many of the Jews went away and believed in Jesus. " (John 12:10-11)
    believed in Jesus
    Spying and I do too.
    we comfort each other in THE SAME MANNER OF BELIEVING AS OUR SAVIOUR.

    WE HAVE A NEW SYSTEM OF BELIEF.
    we let go of our former religious beliefs and we were apprehended to BELIEVE IN JESUS....
    we became the same kind as ALL BELIEVERS IN MESSIAH DO AND IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH churchian creeds...that is their form of godliness but lacks the power.
    like a broken down wreck....this dead man made puke survives on UNBELIEF....
    DEATH RULES... As... THEY KILL OFF ALL LIFE THAT IS ONLY FOUND IN A man called Yeshua of Nazareth.


    it is recorded for our learning
    The Pharisees therefore said among themselves,


    'See how you accomplish nothing. Behold, the world has gone after him.' " ( John 12 v. 17, 19)
    man made religion can do nothing as well proven...

    what a terrible misery to have ''accomplished nothing''....
    BY
    thinking ye were a hero [your church was right] but only a zero, in the eyes OF THE KING OF INFINITY~~~~~



    cont

  • #2
    relationship....LOVE.

    IT IS NOTED that Lazarus belongs in a ''different'' position than all other friends and disciples.
    THAT should be a clue and an OUTSTANDING feature of this whole saga/question.

    Lazarus is the only man named in the Bible that is specifically identified as being "loved" by Jesus (for the period prior to Messiah's resurrection).
    Now another fact that is KINDA hidden is this LOVED friend becomes a Celebrity...
    a star!!!!!.... why?
    BECAUSE eyewitnesses, saw and told
    Jn. 11:45 says, "Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, BELIEVED on him".


    Jesus HOLDS stars in His hands.
    I LOVE THIS WORD ''S.T.A.R.''
    THE RESULT WAS... the general population of 2000yrs ago was very aware of what was going on.....we only have the story.... they had the experience...
    that's the difference....
    1] just a story
    verses
    2] a real life experience.
    John 11 v 25 = has to be a REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE, why? cuz it is THE RENTING OF THE VEIL OF our UNBELIEF.

    Messiah loves ''specific" people....
    yes a general love is there too = an all encompassing and compassionate love for the lost... but also LOVE for a specific person, can be seen... and well documented.

    AFTER His resurrection it is stated in John 21, of another specific person = The disciple whom Jesus loved!!!

    [so we have the before [the cross] and after [the cross] LOVED.]

    Lazarus shot into INSTANT fame ... yet.... after John 12 v 17
    no 12 in bible numerics - Divine Governement
    no 17 in bible numerics - victory.
    we never hear of this ''star'' mentioned again.
    BUT WHAT almost everyone seems to miss here is this

    Lazarus would never be, the same man who had died 4 days prior to his rising up from the grave.
    Nothing would ever make Lazarus the same human man again.
    he would have been changed .
    out from the grave after 4 days and into LIFE as a resurrected person and only a deceived liar with snake lips would tell otherwise.
    nothing nothing nothing about Lazarus WOULD BE THE SAME AS HE WAS PRIOR TO his death.
    All his cells and brain and heart would have stopped....but he came back to life! ON the 4th day would have been the case of HE STINKETH!!!!




    dont u see ...IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR LAZARUS TO BE THE SAME type of MAN.
    how???????????????????????????????????????????????
    could this man brush off the tomb's dust to be the same man he once was.


    the question to ask is
    did this ''different '' Lazarus live AGAIN in fear to die another death? or is he changed by a gift from his FRIEND,


    Lazarus could now say ''been there did that''.

    the last record of Lazarus was ''he was sitting at the table eating his supper with Messiah''
    PS
    tell me...WHERE WAS LAZARUS...? do u know?

    what as ''the gift'' that was given to this ''loved friend''....
    understand that... and u shall have LIFE. amen
    Last edited by LucySmith; 02-13-2007, 01:08 AM. Reason: ps... i came back to say this?

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    • #3
      fasinating.. signs that should fill up books....

      Jn. 20:30-31 says, "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have life through his name."


      what ''other'' signs did Our Saviour do?
      ummm....
      we have only a ''sample'' don't we, to make us wonder and ask questions only the Holy Spirit can give the answers too.
      some ''signs'' so many signs are not recorded....so many that it is stated the whole world could not hold the books that Should have been written
      John 21 v 25
      the books that SHOULD BE WRITTEN

      THE BOOKS THAT SHOULD BE WRITTEN....
      THE BOOKS THAT SHOULD BE WRITTEN....
      THE BOOKS THAT SHOULD BE WRITTEN....

      SHOULD BE WRITTEN....
      funny type of grammer...should be....
      seems like a continuing tense here.
      why does the church portray Messiah as some whimmy small weedy guy who walked everywhere got tired and did a few things no one believes in too much anyways.

      what if

      MESSIAH WAS LIKE AN ERUPTING VOLCANO AND EARTHQUAKE OF VITAL LIVING LIFE AND HE WENT INTO ABUNDANT LIFE AND ALL OF ITS GLORY and just was busting out all over with this NEW FORM OF LIVING LIFE He was introducing into this fallen world... so much so... the world could never hold all that information HE DID....


      I love this MESSIAH... THIS DYNMO OF LIVING. CUZ... He allows me to have/share a wee bit of His standards and divine energy of life.


      ummm...here is an amazing thing we can discover...
      Jn. 12:9 says, "and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom He had raised from the dead".
      Our Saviour was so happy to SHARE His fame/glory with His friend whom He loveth.

      do people stop by to wonder over you too? as they see u arising out from the dead?

      or

      do they see u as a church hypocrite....

      such a difference hey.. and reminds me that.~~~~~
      A woman who works for me, came to me today, to tell me her husband [a pentecostal werewolf, of 20yrs] was divorcing her, cuz she had failed him in being his image of a church wife. He ofcourse had to ''keep up appearances''
      it is part of 'the fake it till ya make it' scene.
      She had seen the light and had left this group 2 yrs back.
      She looked old and haggard and a mess....i wondered why another person should be allowed to have such a dominating power.....when it was so evil and false?
      SO,
      i had a good chat to her...
      told her what i would do
      she went away smilling...
      i was pretty graphic in my details.
      she will be ok.
      the stranglehold of the powerplay was broken over her....
      but hey
      witches always get burnt at the stake dont they....so that's one werewolf who shall be lit up like a firecracker tonight that's for sure he won't know his head from his butt, i primed her up so good.
      i do believe the Holy Spirit was looking at this lady in distress and had pity upon her... so He used me to blab out the details....ummm. I liked that..
      Jesus of Nazareth never dallied with devils did He... why should we.?
      That Pharisee spirit only has different faces thru the religious generations...the people come and go and die but a new lot arises to be pawns in this staged set called ''this is your life'' world.

      cont.

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      • #4
        one good pic... is worth 1,000 words/ the pic of a 4th day body.

        Lazarus, brother of Mary and Martha, had been dead four days when Jesus shouted, "Come out".

        lets us now look at exactly what type of condition Lazarus was now in.

        this is a body on the 4th day.
        this would have been like Lazarus.....
        This is the result of decomposition and appears on about the fourth day.
        *******************************************************

        warning... look at your own risk.
        do not look of u are soft heart and inclined to puke easily!!
        *******************************************************


        http://www.pathguy.com/~tdemark/0042.htm

        why did i put this here... so we shall all be sick and distressed?
        NO!!!!
        None of us get to see a 4th day body do we, so we presume in ignorance and make up our mind in ignorance, about stuff we know nothing about.
        now we are not ignorant...are we.
        so
        how could LAZARUS...ever be the same being again?.... tell me?
        to die...again when this was his whole being before MESSIAH REPLACED HIS CELLS WITH HIS LIFE.

        HIS LIFE IS NOW INSIDE LAZARUS... is it not?

        HOW COULD LAZURUS re-die when Living Christ life cells were now there.?

        Lazarus had 2 fathers...
        1] his adamic birth genetic line
        2] Jesus Christ resurrection of him....Messiah became his new father.
        Lazarus was not alive from down that adamic genetic line again but was MADE ALIVE BY Messiah.
        THAT DAY Lazarus stumbled out from that tomb, Was a display to show us the Truth OF =

        1] Not only did Christ prove He had power over life and death,
        2]He also illustrated an important step in God's plan to save mankind.

        LAZARUS, HAVING DIED... WAS NO LONGER under the death sentence.

        So Jesus finally says, “Unbind him, set him free'' freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

        to be set free.....set free.... from that awefull picture of adamic inherited death.
        to be free from the tomb experience and be drawn into LIFE EVERLASTING amen

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        • #5
          did u see the 4th day dead body

          interesting hey!!!!!
          Messiah RE-NEWED that,
          He poured his own personal life into that dead vile foul stinking corpse.

          ummm.
          u never saw such a thing before hey....me either,
          Father is good, how He sets before us His word in picture form that will take our ignorance away.

          did u see the corruption and how this vile body would stinketh....yet Lazarus was again eating dinner with the MAN he loved as a FRIEND.

          and not one bit of B.O. upon him.

          what of your body? is it loosing it's B.O. too

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          • #6
            would Lazarus mind still be carnal?

            do u think?
            would those cells that rule his mind be ''adamic cells''?

            or

            would they be THE WORD BREATHED UPON cells, so that his new mind was CHRIST-BREATHED?

            whose legacy did Lazarus receive....
            CHRIST'S ofcourse.... as Adam's one was finished in the grave.

            well....

            what of your mind?
            what of my mind?

            do we have to die and stinketh to be changed?
            or
            IS THIS CHRIST, THE WORD, and the new MIND.... now available for us today?
            yes/no/maybe?


            if you had a new mind, called the mind of CHRIST, why would u die a spiritual and a physical death.....??????....... dont u think if it was possible to have this NEW MIND..... YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE ....endless life?????

            oh....i wonder why the NT says ''let this mind be IN YOU'' namely the mind of Christ.

            are your eyes being opened little sweethearts to the FULL MAJESTY of the GOODNEWS.... OR.... are they still shut up by your hireling religion.
            ummmm.

            did you know it took Messiah 3 odd yrs to train up His 12 men to reproduce His kingdom.
            why do u think we never see these same type of men being reproduced by ''the church'' today and for the past hundreds of centuries...
            the church went carnal.
            the church went divisional
            the church went for lusts of power here.
            the church went into vanity.

            are u in vanity too?
            OR
            have your eyes began to be opened to THE TRUTH THAT SETS MEN FREE.

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            • #7
              it stares us in the face yet we miss it

              what?

              Lazarus UNBOUND

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              • #8
                Cont...Lazarus was NO LONGER bound

                by the grave clothes of his adamic nature.


                it is so easy just to read the words and not ''get IT''
                Lazarus had overstepped the boundary of his adamic limitations.

                again let us consider.

                this GREATEST of Miracles WAS like '' the last appeal'' for all men to BELIEVE HIM.
                So~~~~
                is an ALIVE LAZARUS, a witness to saints... cuz... Christ appeals to them by revelation, to understand the greatest Miracle of His career.

                when Messiah said ''COME FORTH''.....everything was ready for manifestation at His Word.


                it is like looking behind the curtain of a staged drama and seeing what is going on 'behind the scenes' that others dont see.
                how did it all ''fit together'' so perfectly like a well oiled machine.?
                the sickness
                the death
                the news
                the delay
                the trip
                the sisters
                the onlookers
                the weeping
                the revelation
                the arising at the words ''COME FORTH''.....

                Imagine THE organisation of such a divine display,+ the timing, all timed down to the last second...

                DID EVERYONE HOLD THEIR BREATH?

                WHAT OF DEATH?
                how was 'death' defeated and allowed to give up its victim.

                IT WAS BY the COMMAND of obedience ....to ....LIFE.
                death is a lower power than LIFE.
                death has to 'give way' to LIFE - THE GREATER POWER.

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                • #9
                  when we looked at the 4th day dead man

                  we can see that death is the corruption of life.
                  http://fantasygallery.net/yanner/art_0.html

                  The dead man [in the 4th day pic] was once alive but now in sin, his body finally revealing his own inner corruption.
                  ummmmmm.
                  consider this Plx
                  What if this death defiling fact has been written on the outside on his body while he lived, rather than in the inside where it was mostly hidden away from view.

                  ummmmmm.

                  what if each sin marked the body in corruption on the outside?
                  Then everyone would be a walking deformity and so i guess people would get used to ''sinning deformities'' displayed upon the visible flesh.

                  now for funny/weird idea.

                  People's defiled flesh COULD BECOME a viewers hobby of spotting the sin .
                  Could this be what happens to humans as they allow sin to enter in?
                  As they have become a slave to sin.
                  http://fantasygallery.net/stahlberg/art_3.html



                  ummm...some ideas of sin appearance on the outside of people.

                  one could pick a child molester= http://www.aumania.it/fa/eggleton/004.jpg
                  one could pick a liar = http://fantasygallery.net/thomas/art_0.html
                  one could pick a murderer. = http://fantasygallery.net/thomas/art_4.html
                  one could pick a fornicator = http://fantasygallery.net/ryman/art_9.html
                  one could pick a thief. = http://fantasygallery.net/seegmiller/art_6.html

                  gosh thats original thinking [hehehehe]

                  ----------------------------------------------------------

                  ummmm...however with Lazarus....
                  he was ''called forth'' and all of him had been
                  re-invented....
                  renewed....
                  reborn...
                  remade....
                  restored.
                  his mind would no longer be human, cuz he was no longer human, he had been changed over TO ''LIFE''
                  + called forth from his tomb.

                  therefore the cells in his body would now be THE LIFE CELLS OF LIFE ONLY TO BE FOUND IN the Saviour.


                  as Lazarus died to humaness HE BECAME ALIVE TO RIGHTEOUSNESS of the new creation... and he was our ''sample'' of what happens in the here and now, so that they never need to suffer death and the grave CUZ THEIR SAVIOUR HAS SET THEM FREE!

                  do we want fantasy?
                  i.e. a religion that make us think we are free, yet die in the tomb ?


                  but what of a divine reality~~~~

                  l liked this...
                  Reality is that which abides.

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                  • #10
                    did the 'christ' anointing abide within Lazarus

                    ofcourse....
                    what would have taken it away?
                    Lazarus was MESSIAH'S loved friend.

                    I realised today that the Messiah as servants but He also has friends.
                    There is a great deal of difference in the meaning of the 2 words.

                    I never knew this before today.... that most church people wish to be ''a servant'' but the ultimate is to be 'a friend''.

                    a servant has a master, but friends are equal.

                    Lazarus is a LOVED FRIEND... and i do not recall him being a servant?????
                    now i am harping on this aspect as it is one i have never seen before and when i went into the ''thinking mode'' i found out this
                    John 15: 15,
                    "Henceforth I call you not servants,: for the servants knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard OF MY FATHER, I have MADE KNOWN UNTO YOU."
                    see the difference????????????
                    FRIENDS have things MADE KNOWN TO THEM. ...see that....
                    servants knoweth NOT what his Lord doeth.

                    next...

                    look again and we see there are 2 realms/ranks of people
                    the servants
                    the friends


                    THE FRIENDS.
                    friends are people we really are as ONE with
                    If i am a friend with MESSIAH, AND as one, i am also a friend with others who are His friends too.
                    In this realm of fellowship, they share it and they work on it together!!! why? because they are one = they are the same type/the same kind.
                    They are so totally joined that nothing can separate them, as the same LIFE ENERGY is flowing thru them,. THEY HAVE BEEN switched on from the same power point.

                    UMM. so how did this happen?
                    "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should REMAIN: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in My name, He may give it to you."


                    what is this fruit that should remain?


                    this is my Friend,

                    1) Jehovah-jireh Gen. 22:14 The Lord, our Provider
                    2) Jehovah-rapha Ex. 15:26 The Lord, our Healer
                    3) Jehovah-nissi Ex 17:15 The Lord, our Banner (Victory)
                    4) Jehovah-m'kaddesh Ex 31:13 The Lord, our Sanctifier
                    5) Jehovah-elyon PS 7:17 The Lord, Most High God
                    6) Jehovah-tsidkenu Jer. 23:6 The Lord, our Righteousness
                    7) Jehovah-sabaoth 1Sam 1:3 The Lord of hosts (Almighty
                    ''My Lord the Most High God, the Lord of all almighty Hosts who is my righteousness and sanctifier, as He provides His victory with health and provision over me.''

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