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  • ???Rome's faith???; Is Rome sufficiently endowed with GD's spirit to canonize the NT?

    ...The NT belongs to Rome's faith. Rome canonized this collection of writings from some of these texts I list, discluding many others not among these. With the book of Judas being recently discovered, assuming many other "lost" texts which may never be found, the NT's texts that are your daily read could have been very different.

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

    ...Do you trust the Roman church to canonize your christian faith?

    ....Michael

  • #2
    ...a blood debt that is owed to YHWH?

    ...Why think that the church of Rome, which as Rome had distroyed millions of JEWish lives, would be YHWH's chosen vessel to canonize the texts of the NT into his "true faith"? What became of Babylon and Assyria that had killed far less of the JEWish people? Did YHWH kiss these principalities on the cheek and make them the ark of his faith? The JEWish people have always had a different faith than did christians, that most of us JEWs clung to through out our history {CE}. Christian's have always pointed their finger in a different direction than they themselves occupied when talking about the JEWish people. This shows an unwillingness to be included among our people's "Name" in any way. I cannot find an example of christians defending the JEWish people from any adversity in Rome's long reign as the sole vessel of christianity, can you? I would like to read somewhere, that when affliction came our way, christians came to our rescue. This says something of what the church of Rome thought about the people to whom the faith of the tanakh really belongs. Why would GD choose Rome over his own people to carry his word and his ways into the world? Wasn't the kingdom of "YHWH" taken against GD's will by force? What would tie the hands of YHWH to allow this to happen?

    ...Has the Name of YHWH anything to do with invoking GD's strength? Why must the Name of YHWH be invoked at all?

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    YHWH hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee;

    Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion; Ps. 20: 1, 2 KJV

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    Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me by thy strength. Ps. 54: 1 KJV

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    Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

    He shall call upon me {Hashem}, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

    With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation. Ps. 91: 14 KJV

    --> Can this happen outside of the Name of YHWH being envoked?

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    15 Precious in the sight of YHWH is the death of his saints.

    16 O YHWH, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.

    17 I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of YHWH. Ps. 116: 15 - 17 KJV

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    10 All nations compassed me about: but in the name of YHWH will I destroy them.

    11 They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of YHWH I will destroy them.

    12 They compassed me about like bees; they are quenched as the fire of thorns: for in the name of YHWH I will destroy them. Ps. 118: 10 - 12 KJV

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    ...What has the Name of YHWH to do with GD's faith?

    And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Nu. 6: 27

    YaHu{W}daH
    Y...H...W...H

    ...Can Rome in anyway serve this Name being its adversary? Who will cleanse this innocent blood that covers all christians throughout christian history? Is JEWish blood to be free to christians?

    http://www.simpletoremember.com/vita...ersecution.htm

    ...Whom does GD really curse but those who have his own peoples innocent blood upon them.

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    5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

    6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

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    ...What does GD require from the faith of Rome as to this blood debt?

    ...Michael

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    • #3
      ...Why would GD choose Rome's christian faith which is in violation of Gen. 9: 5, 6?

      ...There is no foretold resurrection of a crucified man in the tanakh. An offering for sin in the tanakh must pass through the fire. Crucifying the offering does nothing in the way of keeping the law of YHWH. Even Isaac was about to be burned except that GD wouldn't have it happen. The texts of the tanakh that you think apply to crucifixion are taken out of their proper context.

      ...The true messianic path is the one set up in the 38th chapter of Genesis. The younger sibling will supplant the elder sibling, though in Zerach's case it is a heir of his that can claim the throne of Judah as his own along with all of the seed of Judah. It is he whose Name is YHWH/GD. Rome is a thief who cannot stand the truth that follows in the next text.

      Perez; "breach"
      Zerach; "awakening/arising"

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      For thou art an holy people unto YHWH thy God, and YHWH hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth. Deut. 14: 2

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      ...This says nothing about Rome's "christian" faith that Rome alone canonized. To damn the JEWish people is to damn YHWH's own Name. Damn the children, damn the father!

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      He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16: 16

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      ...Rome cannot damn GD's own Name! The tanakh has a central theme which Rome did not build its faith upon {Hashem}. If only it had respect for the Name of "Judah", it might have looked at Judah's root and understood where the JEWish messiah must come from. But the truth wouldn't have given Rome any power in this world over people. The "truth" would have let Rome die as a any kind of GD chosen power in this world. The hypocracy in thinking that YHWH would have chosen "Rome" as an vessel of GD's faith after it distroyed millions of GD's own people.

      ....Michael

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      • #4
        Twins

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        24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

        25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.

        26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them. Gen. 25: 24 - 26

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        27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb.

        28 And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the oneput out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first.

        29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? thisbreach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez.

        30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah. Gen. 38: 27 - 30

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        ...These are the only named twins that I can find anywhere in the entire text of the tanakh, making their mention very important to the author. The first set of twins {Jacob and Esau} mirrors the same story in Genesis's second set of twins {Perez --> "breach" and Zerach --> "awakening/arising"}. This is the true messianic path that the author of the torah set up. Here a child who inherits Judah's own inheritance and name from the breach that is set up in the 38th chapter of Genesis, by rite becomes the father of all of Judah. Judah is the root of Jesse. Because the chosen tribe that is to bear the Name of GD is Yahudah, this man's name is also "YHWH/GD", the Name of YaHu{W}daH without its fourth letter being included in it. This man comprises the fourth part of the dust of Jacob {Nu. 23: 10}, the fourth son of Jacob. Than again, guess who owns the throne of Judah here? No one can displace this man in his rite to reestablish the throne of Judah. All of Judah's sons are his own sons. He can step across the curse against the line of JeConiah {if he wants} that prohibits JeConiah's seed from ever gaining the throne {Jer. 22: 28 - 30; Jer. 36: 30} of Judah by simply choosing a king of Judah's sons {his sons now} to sit in his own throne.

        ...Find some other "named" twins in the tanakh if you can. If you cannot, it is unlikely that {Jesus} could ever be the messiah and is only so by Rome's own decree. Rome is a lousy teacher of JEWish texts and what they really refer to.

        ...The potters, the family of the promised son whom Judah didn't give to Tamar, Shelah, {I Chr. 4: 21 - 23}

        ...Thirty pieces of silver, the price to separate Tamar's seed from the Name of "YHWH" and thus break the brotherhood between Judah and the rest of Israel. {Lev. 27: 4}

        ...Zechariah concludes his book with the removal of the Canaanite from the house of "Y*H*W*{d}*H" and with all of Judah now being as holy as the priests and needing holy vessels to eat and drink from {Jer. 14: 21}. The Name of YHWH and the name of Judah are now a single Name! {Jer. 14: 9}

        ....Michael

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        • #5
          The "Messiah's place in healing the "breach" of "Perez".

          ...It is not by genetic bloodlines that we know who is the messiah. There simply is no JEWish "race" in existance and no path to a messiah through a genetic mechanism. If a man came and claimed to be {Jesus}, how would you confirm it? Isn't {Jesus} said to be of a "virgin birth" cutting him of from any male seed of Israel, and isn't Joseph refused from either gaining a throne or giving a throne to his own offspring because of what is written in Jer. 22: 28 - 30; Jer. 36: 30? You might say that you will believe in a persons seeming miracles, but would this mean that this man is a decendant of David or the messiah? Haven't there always been men who are reported to have done miracles? These reported miracles arrive here on the wings of a fairytale, as a story that has been told generation to generation. Godmen gather up such tales by the creations of their followers own loose pens.

          ...There is a path to the true messiah that must be taken if we ever see a messiah arrive, that involves the choice of YHWH. He must mark this heir to fit the "breach" that is established in the 38th chapter of Beresh*t/Genesis. There are two sets of named twins in this book. There are only two sets of named twins in all of the tanakh. They exist two generations apart. There is Jacob and his twin, and there is his son Judah's own fathered twins, Perez and Zerach. There are no more named twins at all. The first set of twins establishes what is to happen to the second set of twins. Esau looses his custodial rights to his father's own inheritance to his younger twin, Jacob. The other set of twins follows the same path and mirrors the same storyline. In his time {him being a marked heir}, this child/king will supplant all of the seed of Perez for Judah's own name and place in the line of "Judah". Imagine this heir suddenly landing in the place of "Perez" in this bloodline. What would he inherit? At first he gains a good name, that of Judah/Yahudah. Then he gains a very good Name, the name of YHWH/GD, the Name taken from the tribe of Judah, the tribe that GD chose to bear his Name. This heir also gains through Judah's name, the throne of Judah. Judah is the throne. Just in case, there is also a law making it clear just who has the status of the firstborn in contrast to these heirs, Isaac, Israel, Joseph, Ephraim and David himself. There is a law that is used only two times in the entire tanakh. It is used in David's birthline by Boaz who fathers children for Ruth's son{s}, and again the law is used in keeping Er, the firstborn of Judah who married a Canaanite, attached to Israel. It is here that the brotherhood of Israel and Judah can be broken by giving thirty pieces of silver to the priests. The law for this is to be found in Lev. 27: 4. This is the price needed to remove Tamar's seed {that of "Judah"} from being attached to Israel. The potters are found in Shelah's own bloodline in I Chr. 4: 21 - 23. Judah refused to give Shelah to Tamar to keep Er's inheritance in Israel. She then played the harlot to gain Judah's own seed for Er's continued attachment to Israel. This is all found in the 38th chapter of Genesis.

          ...The law;

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          5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

          6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel. Deut. 25: 5, 6

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          ...It is obvious that Perez fulfils this function for Er making him the firstborn here between himself and Zerach. The second child {Zerach} still belongs to Judah and escapes this law. Zerach means "awakening/arrising". These are other people who are also firstborn children. They surround the 38th chapter of Genesis in setting up the story of the "breach" to be filled. Ishmael, Esau, Reuben and Manasseh border the 38th chapter of Genesis. What happens to them? "Cain" is the very first child born as a "firstborn" child. Ishmael is refused because his inheritance belongs to Eliezer {Gen. 15: 2} and so he is rejected by GD for this very reason. Hagar came with the property that Abraham tended. Her seed would also belong to the landowner through Ishmael. Abraham needed another son to secure his own inheritance. Esau sold his own inheritance for a little "red stuff". Reuben was caught in his fathers own bed. Manasseh looses out to Ephraim when Jacob crosses his hands in blessing Joseph's son's. The firstborn of "Jesse" is also overlooked for David, the seventh son of Jesse. The first king, himself a firstborn child of Benjamin and he is deposed by David.

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          The Law as applies it applies to Ishmael

          3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.

          --> Sara's offspring belong to Abraham.

          4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. Ex. 21: 4

          --> Hagar's offspring belong to Eliezer.

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          ...This was Abraham's complaint to YHWH and why Ishmael was unexceptable to "YHWH/GD" whose Name consists of four of the five letters in the Name of Yahudah/Judah. The name of Yahudah is mispronounced "Judah" and is chosen by GD for his own Name, likely because of the "breach that exists in the 38th chapter of Genesis. GD says that he will choose a tribe of Israel to bear his own Name in Deut. 12: 5 and in Ps. 78: 67 - 69, YHWH confirms that the tribe is Yahudah/Judah.

          YaHu{W}daH
          Y...H...W...H

          ...The messiah comes out of the "breach/Perez" that exists in the Name of "Judah/Yahudah. It is for YHWH to tie the red thread upon this heirs own right arm, "his own choice" as to who is the messiah. It is not about genetics at all.

          ...Rome builds its faith upon a belief in a god that needs innocent blood to cover all sin. But innocent blood makes he who sheds it "guilty" and not innocent under the law. The faith of the JEWish people is built upon "Hashem" {The Name} that is GD's own Name. YHWH clearly forgives the sins of his people without a need for any priestly functions. There are many texts that back this fact up to be found in the tanakh.

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          22 But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel.

          23 Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense.

          24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.

          25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

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          ...There is no temple at this time {the time of Cyrus} and yet GD forgives the sins of all of the house of Israel, Judah being included. The priests have nothing to do with GD vindicating his people and no blood is shed upon any altar of YHWH's to gain this redemption. But there is a problem in the Name of "YHWH". Something has been lost to the people who leave Babylon.

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          And the Tirshatha said unto them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and with Thummim. Ez. 2: 63; Neh. 7: 65

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          ...The Hebrew word, thummim, "completes" the Name of GD and places the blessing upon the JEWish people {Nu. 6: 27}. This word is taken from the Hebrew word "tome", but in its plural {Strongs 8550, 8537}. To not have a priest with the understanding of the sacred Name would surely bring trouble to the JEWish people.

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          YHWH hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee; Ps. 20: 1 KJV

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          ...Did this "breach" to the faith of "YHWH" ever get healed?

          ....Michael

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          • #6
            ...Forgiveness, a question brought up by olivet.

            ...olivet, you write;

            (After recounting God's plan from Moses to Jesus, Paul said), "Brothers, listen. In this man Jesus there is forgiveness for your sins. Everyone who believes in Him is freed from all guilt and declared right with God- something the jewish law could never do.

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            7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. Ex. 34: 7

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            25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. Isa. 43: 25

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            22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

            23 Sing, O ye heavens; for YHWH hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for YHWH hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. Isa. 44: 21 - 23

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            ...The idea that you express, that {Jesus} is the only way for Israel to find forgiveness, is a falsehood maintained by the church of Rome to keep power over people. But why do you choose to believe these lies? Obviously the text of the tanakh says differently. Here YHWH forgives his people {which he had always done before} as Ex. 34: 7 said he would. Do you give the words of Paul more authority then you give to the words of the prophets who speak for YHWH? Do you want an example of individual forgiveness, that which belongs to deliberate and willful sin? The forgiveness of YHWH is easily found in the texts of the tanakh. I cannot call a man, our GD. It happened that the territories of Greece, Egypt and Rome believed in gods that took the form of people. This also followed as faith in the with those who toppled Rome's military power. But Israel didn't fall to this "people as gods" faith. Christianity tries to circumvent the JEWish faith by making {Jesus} into a {people-god. What he really is, is a man that Rome killed and then reported him to have conquered its own death decree. Now all are invited by Rome to tag along with it idea of eternal life and sins forgiven through this man that Rome executed if they will give their alliance to Rome's new faith. Power is power and Rome loves to reign over people. It is you and a multitude of christians that have bought into Rome's new faith. Rome's power died but for christianity. Rome with its new power did to the JEWish people what it had always done before. It covered itself with JEWish blood. Anyone who buys into this faith has a blood debt to pay to YHWH, ie, "YaHu{W}daH". Hashem is the path that all JEWs must follow. The Name of "YHWH" refuses Rome's guilt that it lays at the feet of all JEWs. We didn't crucify {Jesus}, Rome did for violating it own laws.

            ....Michael

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            • #7
              Distinction among strangers

              ...One can build their faith upon the Name of "YHWH" or one can build it upon a requirement for innocent blood to be shed. Rome shaped the faith of christianity to only except innocent blood as an exceptable door to the realm of GD. Someone must die for you to live I believe, is a tenant of christianity. I take exception to this. The answer to sin is the forgivenesss of GD. This forgiveness doesn't come by sacrifice. There are very many examples of this in the tanakh that shows the forgiveness of GD existing without having with it any attachment to a sacrifice. No one brings a lamb to GD for having sinned {personally} in the entire text of the tanakh. Forgiveness without a sacrifice is easily proven by the tanakh's texts. In Ex. 34: 7 it says that YHWH forgives sin, not that he will someday do so. All the way through the tanakh YHWH forgives his peoples sins, either individually or personally without a sacrifice. There is no connection to the sins of an individual and a priest making a kaphar {sacrifice} to YHWH other than as it applied to GD's own holiness {his altar}. Christians make the priesthood of Aaron one of "slaughter". The priest tends his GD. The altar of GD doesn't ever belong to the JEWish people. It belongs to GD alone. What is placed upon it also belongs to GD. The priests tend "YHWH" while the king tends the JEWish people.

              ...There is a reason that the Name of "Y*H*W*H" consists of four of the five letters in the name of Yahudah. GD says in Deut. 12: 5 that he will put his own Name in a tribe of Israel. "Yahudah/YaHu{W}daH" is that tribe. Thus it is completely correct to say that the JEWish people bear the Name of "YHWH". It is also correct to say that the king of Judah bears the Name of YHWH, his throne. But the gentiles who surround GD's chosen people do not belong to this Name. A family shares a name and the family of "YHWH" also shares a Name through the tribe of "Judah".

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              2 For thou art an holy people unto YHWH thy God, and YHWH hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth. Deut. 14: 2

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              ...This text says that the world's people are not included in what is YHWH's own people. Your name is not my name. Christianity is not the faith of the JEWish people. Our inheritances are sorted out by our names. Christianity is covered in our own JEWish blood as the history of christianity shows. You {christians} are beating on our door saying, "let us in". Sorry, your ark is christianity. If the JEWish people had done as christianity asks of us JEWs and converted to avoid damnation, our name would have perished long ago. A converted JEW that becomes a christian is a christian and has his own ark to keep afloat. To be one of the strangers included among the JEWish people, you have to make other choices that make you one of us {a JEW}. You are not allowed to be distint from the JEWish people as all christians plainly are. For the people who constitute the people who "bear the Name of YHWH", you must become a JEW {the Name of "Yahudah"}. The texts that that speak of stranges being included among the JEWish people all say that the strangers included among us must not be distint from us. Christianity is distint in a multitude of different ways that show a true separation from the Name of "Hashem" {our own Name}. A Name is important in the JEWish faith and whereas the JEWish people bear the Name of "YHWH", christians do not. Christians bear the Name of {Jesus} who does not presently live in our house. {Jesus} cannot pay the blood debt that christianity owes to the Name of "Judah". A JEW {Jesus} cannot appropriatly pay for innocent JEWish blood that gentiles themselves shed of the JEWish people. How would killing one more of us relieve the blod debt? That would be a violationn of the law. Only the guilty party can pay this debt to YHWH. Christianity has by no means done so yet.

              ....Michael
              Last edited by Thummim; 08-10-2006, 01:47 PM.

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              • #8
                ...Inspired by YHWH?

                ...Did YHWH inspire the writing of the book of Matthew? There is a book about Judas that portrays Judas being the good guy that was recently found in Egypt in contrast to the man who betrayed {Jesus} and later hanged himself. It dates to the time of the canonization of the NT's texts by Rome.

                http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5327692

                ...As to Judas and the thirty pieces of silver given to him, in no way does the thirty pieces of silver given to Judas have anything to do with separating the brotherhood of Judah from that of Israel as the 11th chapter speaks of. The author of Matthew gives credit to Jeremiah {Mat. 27: 9} in speaking about these thirty silver pieces of silver. It was really Zechariah as you must know, and not Jeremiah who wrote this text that Matthew refers to. The author shows us that it is not "GD" who wrote Matthew's words {his gospel} and that GD wasn't truly inspiring Matthew in what he wrote in this book. This author also got his {Zechariah}'s wrong, confusing Zechariah the prophet, the son of Berechiah {Zech. 1: 1} with Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest {II Chr. 24: 20} in Matthew 23: 35. When he accuses Jerusalem of killing the prophets, he is only showing his bias against the JEWish people who lived in Jerusalem. There is not enough prophets killed in Jerusalen to warant such a statement as follows;

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                34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

                35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

                36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

                37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

                38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

                39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23: 34 - 39

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                ...Oh' abusive christians, Oh' abusive Rome! How you show your distain of the JEWish people with your carelessly written words which you compare to the words of the tanakh.

                ....Michael

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                • #9
                  The New Testement, is it GD inspired?

                  ...Here are two examples of Matthew's misunderstanding of the tanakh.

                  9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; Mat. 27: 9

                  --> Wasn't it Zechariah the prophet that wrote these things?

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                  12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.

                  --> the price to separate Judah {Lev. 27: 4} from the brotherhood of Israel, Judah's other brothers.

                  13 And YHWH said unto me, Cast it unto the potter {*}: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of YHWH.

                  14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. Zech. 11: 12 - 14 and not from the book of Jeremiah.

                  --> {*}The potter in the House of "YHWH", ie, Judah without its fourth letter, refers to Shelah's own family, the rest of Judah's bloodline that is added to Tamar's two sons and their offspring to make up the bloodline of Judah. Together these make up all of Judah. Redeeming Tamar from the Name and service of YHWH {30 pieces of silver given to the priests as per Lev. 27: 30} cuts off all of Judah from Israel, the other of the tribes of Israel breaking the brotherhood of Israel.

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                  21 The sons of Shelah the son of Judah were, Er the father of Lecah, and Laadah the father of Mareshah, and the families of the house of them that wrought fine linen, of the house of Ashbea,

                  22 And Jokim, and the men of Chozeba, and Joash, and Saraph, who had the dominion in Moab, and Jashubi-lehem. And these are ancient things.

                  23 These were the potters, and those that dwelt among plants and hedges: there they dwelt with the king for his work. I Chr. 4: 21 - 23

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                  35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Mat. 23: 35

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                  1 In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, came the word of YHWH unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying, Zech. 1: 1

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                  20 And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of YHWH, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken YHWH, he hath also forsaken you.

                  21 And they {the kings house} conspired against him, and stoned him with stones at the commandment of the king in the court of the house of YHWH.

                  22 Thus Joash the king remembered not the kindness which Jehoiada his father had done to him, but slew his son. And when he died, he said, YHWH look upon it, and require it.

                  --> The author of II Chr. speaks of requiring the blood of Zechariah from the bloodline of Joash the king of Judah, and not from the priests of whom Joash slew Jehoiada's son. A Pharisee is not of the kings family, he is a Levite. This author is as unfriendly as is Joash to the priests and the Levites. He blames the slaughter of Zechariah on the priesthood and upon Jerusalem. Now this cannot in anyway be just judgement. The author with the words of {Jesus} slays all of Jerusalem along with all of Judah's priests! He thinks just like a christian and blesses what Joash did with his own words that he puts into the mouth of {Jesus}. This book of Matthew is the work of a man who is not inspired by YHWH in what he writes. But then the NT belongs to Rome's own anti-JEWish biases. Do you really think that YHWH would give to Rome the power to be the vessel of his own faith and Name after Rome distroys several million JEWs in two different campaigns less then 200 years prior to constantine making christianity the national faith of Rome? This would be like making Babylon into the vessel of GD's faith. Something is crooked in Rome!

                  ....Michael

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                  • #10
                    The faith of Rome?

                    ...The NT is composed from the books that Rome canonized into its faith. There are just to many of these books in existance and they are still finding more of them {the book of Judas is the latest}. Rome had to decide what would be its faith and canonize it from these texts with its own embelishments. It had pick and choose among a christianity that had diversified and was at the time going into many different directions at once. Because of this, christianity was all but dead as a faith. How "christ" would be represented in text, whether man or GD, and how deified he would be was in dispute in these early christian texts. All of the facts were in dispute to each of the christian authors own pens as they kept adding to what was christian fable, their many different embelishments. There are no true witnesses that wrore in the actual time that {Jesus} lived in. There can only be the accounts that are later given {from memory?} with the added strengths of each storyteller being added to them.

                    ...Given to this, Rome also was on the road to its own demise, a new eastern kingdom was arising to replace it. Constantine had a problem. He was the emperor of Rome, but not of the former glory of Rome. He made a decision that would give new life to his Rome. Both christianity and Rome gained new life from the partnership now shared. Thus the Roman church was born. In being the arbitor of GD's word, Rome gained the keys to the gates of heaven. This is true power. Men will give up their own lives often gladly along with everything they own to live again, but in a more generous life. Rome which had previously invested itself in innocent JEWish blood {about 3 million lives} just couldn't give up it's former ways. And so it continued spilling JEWish blood even while setting up itself as the new arbitor of GD's word. Rome couldn't invite the true owners of the tanakh into its refurbished house. The JEWish people were forced to live outside of the good will of Rome's faith. The last thing that Rome would have wanted discovered was the Name of "YHWH" and were this Name actually came from. The thief never wants anybody to see the true owners name on what he steals. It makes the thief look like a thief to others.

                    ...Because of the hostility of Rome to the JEWish people, Rome wasn't free to create a clear path to righteousness for all JEWs. It was selective. It set up obstacles that would separate all JEWs from {salvation?} in the NT's texts except for those who would leave the JEWish people to become "christians". {unless you believe, Mk. 16: 16; Jn. 3: 18; 15: 6; acts 4: 10 - 12, etc [?]} Most of us JEWs wouldn't except Rome's new faith and claim that {Jesus} was messiah which had already come even though christianity could be very attractive at times. We would have left the Name of our own Eloheem if we had chosen christianity as our faith. "Hashem" is not something for a JEW to abandon. The texts of the NT poke its finger at the JEWish people where it comes to eating blood, or being circumcised, etc. These are obvious statements written to enflame the JEWish people that JEWs wouldn't write. Such things are an insult to the faith of the JEWish people, and the authors of these words knew this.

                    ...Why would a GD, the GD "YHWH" choose Rome as the arbitor and sole vessel of his faith after Rome had killed millions of YHWH's own people? There is truth to be found if you can look into the mirror of this faith. Did Babylon become a vessel of YHWH's faith, or Assyria?

                    ...believe what this tells you.

                    http://www.simpletoremember.com/vita...ersecution.htm

                    ...The tree is known by its fruit, isn't it?

                    ....Michael

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                    • #11
                      I'll try

                      Shalom all:

                      Can the "church" of Rome be trusted to canonize any books of the Word? No, but the Holy Spirit can. Just as it could be trusted to Moses to record the Word, it was also trusted to other men to further the story. Now like Isreal before it (or were they the lost tribes of Isreal, He came for the lost of Isreal) what Rome did with it afterwards is not it's true purpose.

                      I would enter a dialogue with you if you so desire to show you what I understand of both. I'm sure it's not what you have heard from "christians" but at what I have been taught by that same Holy Spirit. It becomes an interesting story in my view.

                      Keep in mind I believe that lieing scribes have attempted to hide the truth on both sides of the story. The priests, rabbis, and others have used this information for reasons not intended in the beginning and is shown as such in the story of Moses. But it was necessary to have the Word in truth be brought down through the ages as intended.

                      Besides I need someone in Judaism to discuss this with as I can't find any in "christiananity" that want to hear the truth. Ironic isn't it.


                      May YHWH bless you and keep you in HIs Word
                      rockwhy.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Thummim
                        ...The NT belongs to Rome's faith. Rome canonized this collection of writings from some of these texts I list, discluding many others not among these. With the book of Judas being recently discovered, assuming many other "lost" texts which may never be found, the NT's texts that are your daily read could have been very different.

                        http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

                        ...Do you trust the Roman church to canonize your christian faith?

                        ....Michael


                        greetings.

                        if the unveiling wasnt put as the very last book in the bible would people still think its all future?


                        the bible has replaced the Holy Spirit for 90% of so called "christians"

                        they know not what they do.


                        here is another link;
                        http://www.thelostbooks.com/list.htm

                        peace
                        euty

                        ps.

                        i love Gods word
                        Happy are those who are not perceiving and believe."

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