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    God first

    Battle of Gay’s against the churches

    Beloved all and all is all

    God loves all and all is all my dear friends

    I was watching Larry King live debate the gay’s subject about churches and what is truth on CNN news.

    Now you can find this debate on

    http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/

    but I not going to talk about what man like Bishop V. Gene Robinson think but what God told us in his word and would tell us live.

    But lets kept it simple

    God does not hate Gay people

    While the act of a man having sex with another men, the act of a woman having sex with another women, the act of a mankind having sex with animal, or any person having sex other than to make children is just one of many sins

    Now lets look at Romans that great verse they used to prove all this is a great sin

    Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

    So many misunderstand this verse

    natural use is the way the body was design to work

    the recompense of their error which was meet is what happens naturally when the body is used wrong

    Look you might hook a cat to plow to work in the field but the cat will not get a lot of plowing done because a cat was not design for that

    The cat if he even tries will break his back and die because he was not design to do that

    like wise if the body is used wrong sickness comes

    but sickness comes with all sins

    the truth is being gay’s is just one sin in the ocean of sins

    And we are too love no another not judge how sinful a person is

    While I like to run after women I love to make friends of all men and women no matter what sin they may or may not be doing

    I hate the sin and all sins not the person

    what can you add?

    Thank you

    with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

  • #2
    Deliberate Sin?

    Hi Year2027,

    Are you sure that this is true?:
    but sickness comes with all sins
    Sin itself is a sickness so I suppose that sickness does come with all sins. However, some sickness is fatal, some is not! Likewise, all sin is not the same.

    The inadvertent eating of lard in some baked product is not the same as engaging in an overt homosexual act. Sin committed with a high hand is indeed fatal.

    Sincerely, Ab
    The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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    • #3
      God first

      Beloved Spying

      God loves you my dear friend

      you have ask me
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      Are you sure that this is true?:
      Quote:
      but sickness comes with all sins
      Sin itself is a sickness so I suppose that sickness does come with all sins. However, some sickness is fatal, some is not! Likewise, all sin is not the same.
      --------------------------------------------------------------------

      Yes this is true and all sin is fatal but some take longer to kill us but all sin work together to kill us over time

      just like each body grows at differ rates each body die at differ rate but the spirit does not die but is born with a new body

      you added
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      The inadvertent eating of lard in some baked product is not the same as engaging in an overt homosexual act. Sin committed with a high hand is indeed fatal.
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      God hates all sin but its us that labels sins in degrees of fatal

      thank you

      with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

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      • #4
        We have to ask ''what is the church''?

        the ''church'' we see today is a counterfeit...
        the ''almost church'' that failed to reproduce the true meaning of THE HOPE OF GLORY... and the kingdom of God.
        It is a mixture of 1/2 truth and pagan lies handed down from generation to generation who think ''she is ok''...
        but
        she is called the HARLOT and HER DAUGHTERS in the bible...
        = See Roy all are harlots....dirty old sleeze bags filled up to their nostrils with the seed of satan.

        so ask
        can a HARLOT produce true life...
        nope cuz the whore is always a whore no matter how wonderfully painted up she appears, infront of all men ''HARLOT'' IS WRITTEN all over her portals....

        so ''the church'' will allow anything in her gates,
        lairs as Pastors and pew sitters
        adulterers as Pastors and pew sitters
        fornicators as Pastors and pew sitters
        thieves as Pastors and pew sitters
        beasts etc etc +
        all manner of perverse people are allowed in the whore...as long as they pay their $$$ it is anything goes.!!!
        Has anyone ever studied Acts 5 and the sad story of Anninas and Saphira?- the liars who dropped dead = that is REAL CHURCH MEETING... have u ever read of the RE-ACTION by the pew sitters, to this deed?

        ummmmm... makes ya wonder!!!!
        And NO sin is more sinfull than all others cuz all are ''death and all sin kills'' that is why the funeral homes NEVER run out of business.

        to defend a whore that in the bible is described as BABYLON is a useless excercise as satan controls his pawns and they are rather happy to have him do so... for IF they were not... they would all hold onto their tithes and funds and crash her in within a year... make her go broke... but alas they do not.

        babylon is not only the church ...
        but
        a system under a grand delusion of THE LIE!
        everything IN THIS WORLD is somehow related back to a babylonian CULTURE....
        therefore
        Plx don't bust ya gut, trying to defend such a lame duck monster, but COME OUT FROM HER MY PEOPLE, is the call = of Messiah telling us all what to do and how to re-act to this monsterous identity.
        BUT NO
        MOST PEOPLE know better than to heed the MESSIAH... so they stay inside their religious-jail and suffer cell-like lives.

        as For homosexuals,
        they are just another aspect of a collapsing world of sin.. no more no less. Most have been misused, abused and so hurt by adults, they need our sympathy and concern as MESSIAH NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER pointed the finger at any man and their sinning conditions...
        Never once did He turn up His nose and revile any man over their sin HE CAME TO SAVE THE LOST not poo poo them...
        HE IS OUR SAVIOUR..... to SAVE OUR...souls
        but
        He DISLIKED the nasty PHARISEE .... ie. that pretender, that hypocrite and had many a harsh word to them.
        SO why should we point the finger?
        WHO ARE WE to point the finger? sinners who are saved,!

        how i hate the ''pointed finger'' from an insane self-righteous religious man.

        THEY ARE NOT FROM ABBA
        THEY ARE NOT MERICFULL
        THEY DO NOT SAY ''THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GOETH I''

        NO ONE KNOWS, the human heart and the hurts and stresses of a soul.

        IF they don't know the full story on any peron's life they should just shut up! and be silent and stop looking like a self -righteous fool.

        THE LORD BROUGHT LOVE INTO THIS WORLD.
        THE LORD BROUGHT LOVE FOR HIS CHILD INTO THIS WORLD
        THE LORD BROUGHT LOVE FOR SINNERS, SO THEY COULD REACH OUT FROM THEIR QUICK-SAND OF SIN, TOUCH THE HEM OF HIS GARMENT AND BE SAVED, NO MATTER WHAT!

        A SAINT, HAS TO HAVE A COMPASSIONATE HEART that is the way to MOVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO ACTION... and if i knew such people and they needed a shoulder to cry on... mine would always be available IN Christ.. why? cuz HIS SHOULDER IS ALWAYS AVAILABE FOR ME amen.

        all sin no matter it's name is , is an abomination... and let us all flee from its deadly bite.
        Last edited by LucySmith; 06-17-2006, 01:38 AM.

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        • #5
          Homosexuality!

          Hi Lucy Smith and Year2027,

          I have a different perspective on sin so please consider with me as I humbly work to explain!

          Sin is these two things:
          • Sin is the transgression of the Torah. And
          • For whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
          The Torah indicates that some sin is worthy of death:
          Deuteronomy 21:22
          22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: (KJV)
          Surely, this verse allows for the existence of sin that is not worthy of death as John does indicate to us:
          I John 5:16-17
          16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
          17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. (KJV)
          Which transgressions of Torah are worthy of death? Sabbath breaking is declared by YAHWEH ELOHIM to be worthy of death in Numbers 15!

          In the New Testament, the Apostle Paul states that the practice of homosexuality is also worthy of death. Here is a long list of sins which he declares to be worthy of death:
          Rom 1:26-32
          26 For this cause ELOHIM gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
          27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
          28 And even as they did not like to retain ELOHIM in their knowledge, ELOHIM gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
          29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
          30 Backbiters, haters of ELOHIM, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
          31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
          32 Who knowing the judgment of ELOHIM, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (KJV)
          ELOHIM allows homosexuals to be filled with the above imperfections because of their arrogance. The issue which makes homosexuality so objectionable to ELOHIM is the in-your-face assertion the wickedness which they practice is good and not evil. They have no choice. They by their practice of evil have lost their immunity to evil. They therefore now arrogantly say that their evil is good. Take good notice of these words of YAHWEH:
          Ezek 16:49-50
          49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
          50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. (KJV)
          The idea that all sin is the same before ELOHIM is not true. We are asked by YAHWEH to truly distinguish between good and evil, between that which is holy and unholy, and between that which is clean and unclean.

          Homosexuality is neither good, holy, or clean, and neither is homosexuality compatible with LIFE NOW!

          So, what do we do with homosexuals and Sabbath breakers? Should we take them out and shoot em?

          To be continued ELOHIM willing!

          Sincerely, Ab
          The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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          • #6
            Reconciliation!

            Hi Lucy Smith and Year2027,

            Should we take em out and shoot em? Absolutely not! If ELOHIM has been reconciled with homosexuals and Sabbath breakers and all other sinners, why should we seek to end their life?

            ELOHIM has through Messiah Yahushua already executed all sinners. All men died with Messiah. Now, the issue becomes this: How much do you want to live? Do you like life? Then we all must do or accomplish those things which promote life, and we all must be of those who are found to be worthy of LIFE NOW!

            This is a simple black and white issue. If you want to live, and it matters not who you are, if you want to live, then you must put to death in your own life all those things which make you worthy of death! When you do so, you are found to be worthy of LIFE NOW, and having life, you will continue to live.

            Doing what is wrong leads to premature aging and death. Doing what is right leads to renewed life and vitality. So flee the wrong, and fill you hands and feet with the right.

            What I am talking about here is repentance and change. What I am talking about here is having your reprobate mind changed. ELOHIM has been reconciled, now you be reconciled to ELOHIM by changing your ways!

            In this regard, listen to your brothers and sisters who have gone before you. I have been listening to Lucy Smith. She knows more about this changing of the mind than any other person that I have thus far met in my life!

            Messiah, please help us all to change and live!

            Sincerely, Ab
            The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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            • #7
              God first

              Beloved LucySmith

              God loves us all my dear friend

              Yes a church is a group of people gather together for a reason and most churches today are being destroy for lack of truth

              Yes most churches are all about getting money

              Like Jesus calls the tithe the least of the law in matt 23:23

              I love the story of Anninas and Saphira that went in the church because it look like our wellfare system today

              if you show you have little then you get great gain

              These two had devils spirits or evil ideals in their heart and when this ideal or spirit received the truth they die out of fear or their spirits kill them because they could not be of value anymore

              A lot to think about in these verses of Acts

              Yes "MESSIAH NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER pointed the finger at any man "

              I love this statement "IF they don't know the full story on any peron's life they should just shut up! and be silent and stop looking like a self -righteous fool." you wrote

              thank you

              with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

              Beloved Spying

              God loves you my dear friend

              I all ways consider every bodies words and i all ways take the words of others to God to help me see their heart

              I see what you are saying but there is only one unforable sin

              Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

              To me this is overcoming by receiving Christ in one but then living as if the devil is in one

              I know some say its being born of the devil but we are all born of flesh until Christ comes in our lives

              Now some sins do bring fleshly death at a faster rate homosexuals or gay acts bring a recompense of their error we call it Aides

              I like these words
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              This is a simple black and white issue. If you want to live, and it matters not who you are, if you want to live, then you must put to death in your own life all those things which make you worthy of death! When you do so, you are found to be worthy of LIFE NOW, and having life, you will continue to live.
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              because they are true

              yes we need to stop the bad actions in our lives as we teach others to stop the bad actions in their lives

              yes "Messiah, please help us all to change and live!: great words my friend

              thank you

              with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

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              • #8
                thank you both Spying and Roy...

                for CARING AND FOR SHARING...

                when I SEE your words....
                i see reflections of the Truth like a lovely diamond and a prism of light.
                I do believe our Messiah is like that...
                meaning
                TRUTH HAS A PERSONALITY, why? cuz THE TRUTH IS A PERSON, and Our Saviour's personality comes forth like a rainbow and a reflection of Truth.
                I just suddenly thought about this,= that Truth is like the colours of the rainbow and has a personality and comes out from the mouth of HIs saints like a river of light. It is like GEMS..
                GEMS THAT RADIATE LIGHT AND LIFE.

                here is another 'GEM' aspect to consider..


                all HUman-kind is a homosexual
                all HUman-kind have homosexual ways...

                ''how come''' some many ask.....????

                well if u think about it, all men and woman have a deceived soul.
                have u ever 'seen your eve'
                come let me show you in visible art-form the destroyer i.e that devilish super-hero within all mankind.... that woman who will fight to the death to save her throne in our mind... there she sits ruling over us all....
                http://www.imaginistix.com/paintingsdetails.cfm?Id=34
                notice she has sword and even white hair...
                even dressed in gold...
                BUT she is a COUNTERFEITER... A PRETENDER TO THE REAL THRONE....
                but how can we tell?

                NOTICE HER EYES~!~!~!
                THEY HAVE BLACK ALL AROUND THEM =- witchcraft IS THEIR MESSAGE....EVE RULES IN EVIL.
                OUR SOUL RULES OVER US ALL as
                our spiritual man is asleep and needs to be awakened.
                ONLY THE CALL FROM MESSIAH shall do it.
                And so each generation who has ever lived has been deceived and HAVE FAILED TO REPRODUCE A KINGDOM BY ALLOWING their Eve's to dominate over them for thousands of years.
                Eve's are in the pulpit = meaning men and women preaching ' their church' as their deceived souls FAIL TO REPRODUCE His life and kingdom Rule.
                IT'S THAT ancient mystery some call ''the sacred feminine''.
                Apostle Paul warned of it, ''I do not allow a woman to teach a man''
                and
                ofcourse that opened a vile pandoras box of carnality and cruelity in all manner of stupid misunderstanding.
                who is ''THE WOMAN''
                IT IS SPIRITUAL!!!! the whole bible is spiritual in aspect...
                the woman is all of us, men and women with OUR DECEIVED SOULS manifesting all over the place and failing TO BRING LIFE.... AND DEATH is allowed by Abba to stalk the PLANET.

                proof...... we now see THE TRUTH HERE every day as people grasp in offended horror, AS ABBA '''ALLOWS''' GAY CLERGY TO MARRY AND STAND IN THE PULPIT as an ''abomination''.
                HE IS MAKING A VISIBLE STATEMENT, by saying ''LOOK DULL BRAINS'' how u are... AND is simply HIGHLIGHTING A FACT, we have all failed to see, that the 'Eve soul' in all people, cannot bring forth His Kingdom.
                HOMOSEXUALS CANNOT BRING FORTH LIFE.... NEITHER CAN SPIRITUAL HOMOSEXUALS
                IT takes MALE AND FEMALE TO REPRODUCE ... CHILDREN..
                THE MALE SPIRIT MARRIED TO HIS HELP-MEET ONLY CAN REPRODUCE THE KINGDOM LIFE and NO other is ACCEPTABLE.
                MEANING OUR SOUL WITHIN US, has to learn submission to our spiritual man within us so that HEAVEN THAT IS WITHIN US, can manifest OUTWARDS from us......
                see Jesus Christ Math 17 transfigures.....
                HIS SPIRITUAL MAN DOMINATED OVER 'his eve deceived soul'...
                and IF we learn this... WE BECOME LIKE HIM
                = THIS IS THE SUFFERING the mind change, the tribulation of the battle of our mind as 'eve' in us does not wish to surrender her power.
                WE HAVE ALL LIVED UNDER homosexual EVE'S abomination...
                all of us...

                until

                WE ARE CALLED OUT FROM all THE SYSTEMATIC DECEPTIONS OF Babylon AND ARE

                HAND GROOMED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO REPRODUCE HIS WORLD AND RULE IN HIS KINGDOM

                there is a gem and it is the TRUTH.
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                ummm
                the word MATRIX.. HAVE U CONSIDERED THIS 'proof'?
                STARING AT US?

                MA - a shortened word used for A female mother = ma. MA. mama~!
                TRIX - A TRAP, A DECEPTION ...A MAGIC TRICK.
                eve, the ''mother'' of all living.
                the TRICK MOTHER IS IN CONTROL OF ALL THE LIVING.
                male and female alike are RAISED UP by the 'trick-mother'.... she trains them in their crafts of deception.
                the ''trick-mother' is our soul...eve is her name and she cares for us all ...male and female genders are in the MATRIX.
                they are unaware of the trick of the 'sacred mother''.
                they are used to her and her motherhood.
                only
                MESSIAH CAN CALL US AWAY from the motherhood of trickery and CHANGE US INTO HIS NEW WAYS OF THINKING amen
                from Spying's quote

                What I am talking about here is repentance and change.
                What I am talking about here is having your reprobate mind changed.
                ELOHIM has been reconciled, now you be reconciled to ELOHIM by changing your ways!
                In this regard, listen to your brothers and sisters who have gone before you.
                I have been listening to Lucy Smith.
                She knows more about this changing of the mind than any other person that I have thus far met in my life!
                Messiah, please help us all to change and live!

                Sincerely, Ab
                YES Spying
                our spiritual homosexuality has to cease from hanging over our lives , LIKE A DEATH SENTENCE and only when our Spiritual Man is Co-joined with his subdued and new minded Help meet can the Kingdom of God FLORISH
                The kingdom of Heaven [which is within] has to manifest out~!~! to reproduce divine children for HIS KINGDOM.

                APOSTLE Paul KNEW how to subdue his wanton eve soul....
                what does he say paraphrased...
                something like this

                ''that he battles his flesh till he is bruised black and blue''?

                and he will not submit to her rulership~!~!

                can we be as bold and as brave?
                now THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION....
                Last edited by LucySmith; 06-19-2006, 05:33 PM.

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                • #9
                  Spiritual Homosexuality?

                  Hi Lucy Smith,

                  I am thinking about your revelation. It is hard to understand! HaSatan rejected his head and can only relate with his own kind, the deceived. Therefore, HaSatan is the Ab of homosexuality.

                  From the deceived woman came forth Israel, the wife of YAHWEH ELOHIM. From Israel came forth Messiah Yahushua, who fills all, and we, if we be sons, come forth from HIS relationship with ABBA!

                  Indeed, there is life only in Messiah:
                  THE MALE SPIRIT MARRIED TO HIS HELP-MEET ONLY CAN REPRODUCE THE KINGDOM LIFE and NO other is ACCEPTABLE.
                  Death reigns is all others as it has been!

                  Sincerely, Ab
                  The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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                  • #10
                    God first

                    Beloved LucySmith

                    God loves you my dear friends

                    When I see your words I two
                    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                    when I SEE your words....
                    i see reflections of the Truth like a lovely diamond and a prism of light.
                    I do believe our Messiah is like that...
                    meaning
                    TRUTH HAS A PERSONALITY, why? cuz THE TRUTH IS A PERSON, and Our Saviour's personality comes forth like a rainbow and a reflection of Truth.
                    I just suddenly thought about this,= that Truth is like the colours of the rainbow and has a personality and comes out from the mouth of HIs saints like a river of light. It is like GEMS..
                    GEMS THAT RADIATE LIGHT AND LIFE.
                    ------------------------------------------------------------

                    I love this quote

                    here another quote I love
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                    MEANING OUR SOUL WITHIN US, has to learn submission to our spiritual man within us so that HEAVEN THAT IS WITHIN US, can manifest OUTWARDS from us......
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                    your words are helping me growing thank you

                    with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

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