The Standing: Matthew 24:15

[Spying]

The Will Of YAHWEH!

Hi Everyone,

Is the will of YAHWEH ELOHIM absolute?:

1 Timothy 2:4
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

I would venture to say that whatsoever YAHWEH wills YAHWEH does. Who has the power to thwart HIS will? Who has the power to subvert and distort HIS truth?

Righteousness is salvation from sin, and life is salvation from death. Have all sinned? Absolutely! Do all have righteousness? According to the will of YAHWEH, absolutely!

Is it the will of YAHWEH that sinners and especially deliberate sinners, is it HIS will that they die? If the sinner does not repent of his sin, then, yes, absolutely:

Ezekiel 18:30-32
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith ADONAI YAHWEH. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith ADONAI YAHWEH: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Is turning from sin possible? Is it possible to repent of our sins and escape death?

What is our experience? It appears that the will of YAHWEH that the sinner dies is greater than HIS will that the sinner repent from his sin and thereby live, does it not?

What are we to conclude? Are we to conclude that the will of YAHWEH is not absolute? Are we to conclude that the will of YAHWEH is contradicted? Why would YAHWEH make certain that all sinners die, and never allow anyone to come to a knowledge of HIS truth, and thereby live? Do you think that this has something to do with restricting access to the Tree of Life? I do!

To whom does YAHWEH give life? Obviously, to those who can eat of it! Can Christians eat of life? What is the truth here?

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

Who Is The Sacrifice?

Hi Everyone,

Messiah Yahushua has given us this imperative:

Matthew 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso readeth, let him understand:

Should anyone desire to follow this directive and indeed understand, what must first occur? We all must go to the Book of Daniel and start reading, must we not? We must go there and read about the Abomination of Desolation.

Following the scent of the Abomination, I myself was drawn to Daniel 8:13-15. All the English translations of the Hebrew here did not make any sense to me, and since I have very little workmanship in the Hebrew language, I decide to turn to the Greek Language Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures which is called the Septuagint (LXX) to see what that translation has to say.

Here is a word by word workup of the Greek of Daniel 8:12:

Kai = The Greek conjunction. It means "and".

εδοθη = the 3rd pers. sing. aor. 1, ind. pass. of didomi which means "to give". This verb can also mean "to put" or "to place".

επι = epi with the accusative is a preposition which means "upon" or "against"

την = is the accusative singular of the definite article. This definite article makes θυσιαν a very particular sacrifice.

θυσιαν = is the accusative singular of thusia. This noun means "sacrifice", and it is the object of the preposition epi.

αμαρτια = is the Greek word for "sin". Amartia is the nominative singular, and amartia is therefore the subject of the verb didomi.

και = "and"

ερριφη = I am not certain, but I believe that this verb is the 3rd person sing. aor. ind. pass of rhipto which means to hurl, throw, or cast.

χαμαι = an adverb which means "on the ground" or "to the earth"

η = the nominative singular of the definite article that goes with dikaiosune.

δικαιοσυνη = the nominative singular of dikaiosune which is the subject of the verb rhipto and means "fair and equitable dealing" or "justice".

και = "and"

εποιησεν = the 3rd pers. sing. aor. 1, ind. act. of poieo which means "to make, form, or construct", "to work".

και = "and"

ευοδωθη = 3rd per. sing. aor. ind. pass. of euodoo which means "to be furthered, to prosper". (See 3 John 1:2 and 1 Corinthians 16:2)

Now, let's put these words into an English sentence:

Daniel 8:12
12 And sin was put upon the Sacrifice, and the justice (the fair and equitable dealing) was thrown to the ground, and it worked, and it succeeded in its business (it was prospered).

Notice that the Greek words for Sacrifice and for justice both have the definite article. What this means is that both words are very specific. This is not speaking about any old sacrifice. This verse is telling us about the Sacrifice, and this verse is not telling us about an old justice. This verse is informing us about the justice.

Notice also that the Greek word for sin does not have the definite article so this sin can be any old sin, or this sin offering can refer to any offering for sin. There is nothing specific about this sin that is placed upon the Sacrifice.

Who is the Sacrifice of Daniel 12:8? Ideas, anyone?

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

The Sacrifice Of Daniel 8:12!

Hi Everyone,

I resurrect this thread for the sake of Eutychus and Strangecharm or anyone else that may have an interest in the Abomination of Desolation.

Here is a copy of a post concerning the Daily Sacrifice which I made on the CARM Forum:

Christians approach sacrifice almost totally from the negative side, that is, when they think of Yahushua and sacrifice, they think of HIM primarily as being a sin offering which was slain for their sin. Indeed, this is one aspect of sacrifice, but are there other spiritual considerations involved with sacrifice? In other words, suppose that you and I made it a goal for ourselves to spiritually fulfill the Law of Sacrifice. What would our course of action be?

Suppose that we looked in the Torah, and we saw where it is required that a continual sacrifice be offered:

Numbers 28:2-6
2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, My offering, and my bread for my sacrifices made by fire, for a sweet savor unto me, shall ye observe to offer unto me in their due season.
3 And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto YAHWEH; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual (Tamiyd) burnt offering.
4 The one lamb shalt thou offer in the morning, and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even;
5 And a tenth part of an ephah of flour for a meat offering, mingled with the fourth part of a hin of beaten oil.
6 It is a continual (Tamiyd] burnt offering, which was ordained in mount Sinai for a sweet savor, a sacrifice made by fire unto YAHWEH.

Is it possible that there exists a spiritual fulfillment of this Daily Sacrifice that is so well pleasing to ELOHIM that it warms HIS heart and brings a smile of approval to HIS face? If so, what would that spiritual fulfillment be?

I am going to ask all to take a great leap of faith here, and ask you to begin to think along the lines that the life of Messiah Yahushua itself is the fulfillment of the Daily Sacrifice. Is there any evidence at all which would confirm such thinking? How about this?:

Matthew 3:17
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

If the life of Messiah Yahushua was well pleasing to ELOHIM, what effect would the removal or ending of this life have upon ELOHIM? Would this removal be something that would please HIM?

It is from this perspective that I am approaching the Daily Sacrifice of Daniel 8 which in the Septuagint is called: The Sacrifice!

Do you see how I am understanding that Messiah Yahushua is the fulfillment of the spiritual Daily Sacrifice, that the life of Messiah Yahushua itself is the offering of the Sacrifice?

Sincerely, Spying

[LucySmith]

helllo spying~! i like how u make me think.

Good morning for Thurs.
i looked at the numbers for this verse...
in bible numerics no 15 is -rest
in bible numerics no 24 is -the elect, the royal priesthood.

Spying, your quote asks

You will see it, and you will see its result.

then i saw...''whosoever readeth let him understand'' i knew only the elect who are at rest IN Messiah style of life... shall ever understand this abomination.
Unless we are from the elect, none shall realise they are inside standing in the ABOMINATION, that is considered by the religious elect churches 'a holy place'.

abomination...word meaning - AN OBJECT OF DESTESTATION.
again u write for our learning.

The First Witness, the Apostolic Assembly, fled from that Abomination to the resurrected Messiah Yahushua.
lucy says
yes amen
With the martyrdom of the First Witness, came the rebellion or apostasy.
lucy says'
yes, right from the beginning the satanic hand, the perverted look a like was there waiting to stumble and destroy, mostly from divisions
The Apostasy reigns in this World (Matrix) until the advent of the Second Witness.
lucy says
the 2nd witness ''OFCOURSE'' she cried.. OFCOURSE.
The Apostasy is historical Christianity.

So, I have been a part of the Stasis, the Standing, and I have been a part of the Apostasis, the Apostasy. Now, I desire with all my heart to be a part of the Apokatastasis or Restoration.
LUCY SAYS
that is why u have a revelational mind....
u dont get one so you can be beautifull just for yourself...
you have to share...
so I thank you very much....the restoration of all things, flows out from that ''temple of restorers''
How about you?
lucy says
yep...
Sincerely, Ab

By Grace, we have been called out from a great deception....
how what happened..?
OUR SOUL, was apprehended by THE SPIRIT OF LIFE and our soul, fell inlove with this Spirit, so she could come out from her deceptions and enter into a marriage with her spirit husband.
THAT IS HOW, few find eternal life.
the word
RESTORE...
can be made to look like this
REST = to relax, to be calmed, to be satisfied and comfortable
STORE - a place of many/abundant supplies,

restore... a sentence could be made that says.
RESTORE IS TO BE CALM AND CONFIDENT OF ABUNDANT SUPPLIES
or
a RESTORER... a sentence could be made that says.
A 'RESTORER' IS CALM AND CONFIDENT FOR ALL ABUNDANT SUPPLIES
UMMM.

[Spying]

Hi Everyone,

Here are some notes on and about "standing".

Histemi: Strong's #2476, properly denotes an upright and active position as opposed to a passive or horizontal posture (see Strong's #5087).

The primary meaning of histemi is "to stand". It can also mean to set, to place, to establish, to appoint, etc.

Matthew 24:15, "standing", perfect tense participle: The perfect tense denotes a past action that has a present result. Action completed in the past that affects the present. There is no English tense which conveys this sense. Example: I have killed Yahushua. This is an action which I completed in the past with a present result, i.e., I am a changed person. In the English there is no indication of present result through the tense of the verb, but in the Greek, this is expressed in the form of the verb. Therefore, the Abomination mentioned by Daniel was made to stand in the past in relation to those who see it with a resultant affect on the present of those who see it. You will see it, and you will see its result.

Similar to English, many Greek nouns are actually forms of the verb. One Greek noun derived from histemi is "stasis". Stasis (Strong's #4714) commonly means, a standing (properly the act). Stasis can also mean an effective position, dignity, a gathered party, a revolt, discord, dispute, or dissension. Mark 15:7, Acts 15:2, Hebrews 9:8

The Greek is also similar to English in that many new nouns are made by adding a prefix to the root word. In Greek many of the prefixes are prepositions.

Meta: with, together with.

Methistemi: To transfer, to cause a change of position, Col. 1:13.

Metastasis: This is a rather ominous happening for many today! Do you recognize it?

Apo: From, away from. Can you recognize these common English words taken from the Greek:
apo + stellein, apo + logia?

How about this one: Apo + stasis? Acts 21:21, 2 Thes. 2:3.

Aphistemi: (Strong's #868) to remove, to move to revolt, depart, draw away, Acts 5:37, Hebrews 3:12, 1 Timothy 6:5.

Kata: generally down from, also down upon, against, in opposition.

Kathistemi: to place, to set, to appoint, to put or set down, Luke 12:14.

Katastasis: a settling, appointing, establishing, a presentation. Katastasis in not found in N.T. in noun form. In English the same word, catastasis, means the height of the action of the play.

Take a look at this:

Apo + kata + histemi = apokatahistemi (Strong's #600) to restore. Acts 1:6.

Apokatastasis: restoration, reconstitution, reestalishment, Acts 3:21.

Brethren, I participated in the removal the Living Daily Sacrifice and the erection of the Standing (the Cross) through my sin.

The First Witness, the Apostolic Assembly, fled from that Abomination to the resurrected Messiah Yahushua.

With the martyrdom of the First Witness, came the rebellion or apostasy.

The Apostasy reigns in this World (Matrix) until the advent of the Second Witness. The Apostasy is historical Christianity.

So, I have been a part of the Stasis, the Standing, and I have been a part of the Apostasis, the Apostasy. Now, I desire with all my heart to be a part of the Apokatastasis or Restoration.

How about you?

Sincerely, Ab