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  • Spying
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    Hi ImAHebrew,

    Blessinsgs to you through the resurrected Messiah Yahushua, the Renewed and Restored YEHOVAH ELOHIM!

    I actually began this reply to you on the 7th Sabbath prior to the Hag of the Harvest of the Firstfruits of Messiah Yahushua which HE has sown in HIS Field. I have been pondering my reply to you ever since. I also recognize and understand that you yourself are an Elder in a Church of ELOHIM so I must be extremely careful in my dealings with you on the issue which is before us. In my humble opinion, the original four men which Messiah called to establish a Church of ELOHIM in the St. Louis area were all called as Pastors or Elders. These four included our Brother Roger who has since passed away, yourself, Hyssop, and myself. Rightly or wrongly, I recognize no other men in this area as Elders in the Assembly of Yahushua.

    The focus of this reply is to examine the manner in which we are enabled to purchase from the resurrected Messiah Yahushua Gold tried in Fire as well as White Robes or Clothing and as well as Eyesalve (properly a poultice or plaster paste). Of course all of these are purchases commanded by Yahushua in Revelations 3:18

    18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    There is no doubt in either of our minds that the above purchases commanded by Yahushua to the Church at Laodicea are spiritual in nature. Messiah is not seeking to sell the Laodiceans physical Gold, Clothing, and Eyesalve, Please make note that the resurrected Messiah Yahushua has the ability to sell these things to HIS Believers, and we have the ability to purchase the above things from HIM.

    Presently, you and I disagree on the nature or manner in which we can purchase from Messiah Yahushua Gold tried out of fire. I shall strive to detail my objection to your understanding concerning how we purchase from Messiah in future posts. This post shall be emailed to others as well as yourself. I look forward to the dialogue which may follow. Until then, I am and remain sincerely, Latuwr (Spying).

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  • ImAHebrew
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    Shabbat Shalom Spying, I can understand your reluctance to accept that through your sin, and the belief or faith of what it did do (Crucify Yeshua), that this would appear to be an abomination IF we KNOWINGLY and WILLINGLY used our sin in the purchase of the Salvation provided to us, BY SINNING. That would be like those who thought Paul was teaching like this when they falsely accused him of "Let us do evil so that good may come." But see, all sinners acted in ignorance not knowing what their sin was doing in accomplishing what the Law required of them. And that is the Power of the Cross and the Free Gift of Righteousness to TURN us away from the Mark of the Beast (which is Sin), in that we UNKNOWINGLY did do what the Law required of us, BY SINNING. Once we come to a Knowledge of this Truth, we no longer worship OUR "old" sinful selves, neither do we take upon our thoughts and actions to follow what we used to be. That old sinful beast, which we WERE, is DEAD, and we have arisen up INTO a NEW Life in Messiah Yeshua where worshiping the beast (sinful man) or the image of the beast (our physical lives), with the mark of sin upon our foreheads (in our thoughts), or upon our hands (in our actions) is NOT ALLOWED from our hearts. Thus, if anyone who KNOWS what their sin did purchase through the suffering and death of Messiah Yeshua (the Free Gift of Righteousness which saves us), and they then fall back INTO deliberate sin, they SELL their salvation and will receive the just reward for that action. In a nut shell, that is the buying and selling of the Salvation we can receive or lose BY SINNING. I hope this helps you to better see this great mystery. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

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  • Spying
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    Topic: Buying From Messiah Yahushua

    Hi ImAHebrew,

    Blessings to you through the resurrected Messiah Yahushua, the Renewed and Restored YAHOVAH ELOHIM!
    Shabbat Shalom!

    Question: If the mark of the beast is sin, and I think that we have generally agreed that this is so, how could it really be that we could in any fashion use this mark to buy gold tried in the fire from Messiah Yahushua?

    This scripture tells us something rather remarkable:

    Revelations 20:4
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Yahushuas, and for the word of ELOHIM, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither the image, neither have they received the mark of him upon the foreheads of them, and upon the hands of them; and they lived and reigned with Messiah a thousand years.

    According to the Scriptures, all have sinned, and, therefore, all have the mark, but this possession of the mark is not according to knowledge as Messiah did say: Father, forgive them for they know not what they do!

    We cannot knowingly purchase anything from Messiah Yahushua through our sin. Such a purchase would be an abomination.

    In a discussion with Hyssop concerning this issue, he advised me to explore how exactly Messiah Yahushua did purchase us. We were bought with a price. In my humble opinion, it is along these lines that we can learn what it means to purchase or buy anything from Messiah Yahushua.
    Yara Shalam, I am,
    Sincerely, Spying

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  • ImAHebrew
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    Shalom Everyone, there are some who think they have wisdom and understanding. Sinful man, THE BEAST, has had many kings and kingdoms that has been RULED by their flesh. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

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  • ImAHebrew
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    Beasts of Revelations-Part 2

    We are told that it takes “wisdom” to calculate the number of the beast, and guess what Elohim states about ALL of his statutes and commandments:

    (Deut 4:6) Keep therefore and do [them]; for this [is] your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation [is] a wise and understanding people.

    So to calculate to the number of the beast is to calculate the number of Elohim’s statutes and commands that make us to be sinners/beasts before Him:

    (Rom 7:5-8) (5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter. (7) What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? Elohim forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. (8) But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence (lust/desire). For without the law sin [was] dead.

    This brings us to the 2nd beast, as is like unto the 1st beast, except it comes forth FROM the earth (Rev 13:11).

    (Rev 13:11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

    This signifies that the 2nd beast is the resurrection of sinful mankind AFTER the 1000 years are ended (basically looks just like the 1st beast-sinful man). All of resurrected mankind (the 2nd beast) will be given the opportunity to come out from the beast (their sinful selves), but if they don’t, and if they again fall under the rule and deception of sinful man's head (Satan), showing themselves to be useless, sinful flesh, they will be cut off/destroyed:

    (Lev 12:3) And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

    (Rev 20:15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Hopefully, this has been of benefit to you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

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    The Beasts of Revelations-Part 1

    The Beasts of Revelations

    (Rev 13:1-18) (1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. (3) And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months. (6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against Elohim, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (9) If any man have an ear, let him hear. (10) He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. (11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (12) And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (13) And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, (14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. (15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

    Sinful man IS the FIRST Beast, rising out of the sea of humanity. When King David sinned, he was as a beast before Elohim:

    (Psa 73:22) So foolish [was] I, and ignorant: I was [as] a beast before thee.

    Carnal, sinful man is as a beast before Elohim, and the "head" of sinful man is not Elohim, rather it is Satan and those demonic powers that rule over the "beast/sinful man.":

    (Jn 8:44) Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    When Yeshua returns, Satan will be bound, and the head of sinful man will receive a mortal wound as he is confined in the bottomless pit until the 1000 years are finished, and then he will in a sense, come back to life to deceive again:

    (Rev 20:1-3, 7) (1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, (3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    Do you see? When the thousand years are expired (the Seventh Day/Sabbath/Millennium), Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and that wound (by the Sword/Word of Elohim-v14) will be healed by his release from the abyss after the 1000 years are ended, and the HEAD of sinful man will again be in control of those who desire to worship the carnal flesh/sin.
    We are told that the “beast” has an image that everyone worships. This “image” is the created things that sinful mankind worships and lusts after:

    (Rom 1:25) Who changed the truth of Elohim into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (the created things) more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    Now, the "mark" of the beast/sinful man IS sin/iniquity:

    (Psa 130:3) If thou, Yehovah, shouldest mark iniquities, O Yehovah, who shall stand?

    (Job 10:14) If I sin, then thou markest me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine iniquity.


    Sin is what MARKS sinful man as the beast, it identifies who stands before Elohim as a beast.

    So, this brings us to the "buying and selling" that requires the "mark of the beast." How could sin/iniquity be used to purchase or sell anything? This answer requires a good understanding of how Elohim's Grace works. Grace is the FREE Gift of Righteousness:


    (Gal 2:21) I do not frustrate the grace of Elohim: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Messiah is dead in vain.

    And isn’t righteousness ALL of Elohim's commandments?

    (Psa 119:172) My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.

    Paul teaches that we receive this Grace (the Free Gift of Righteousness) by sinning. Because it was by or through our sin that we did do as the Law required of us to Sacrifice. But this takes faith to believe and receive. So as a free gift, we have been provided the means to whereby we can buy gold/salvation by the Righteousness or Justification found through Yeshua:

    (Rev 3:18) I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    This gold/salvation comes at a great cost (the burning/suffering of Messiah Yeshua outside the city gate-Heb 13:11-12), and the end result is the Righteousness we receive by faith. This Righteousness is a DOING of the Law/Torah, not by "works" but according to the Spiritual Fulfillment of the Law/Torah. The Torah required ALL sinners to sacrifice for their sin, and ALL have done this unknowingly, by sacrificing THEIR sin offering (Yeshua) with the help of wicked men (Acts 2:22-23). All sinners did this THROUGH their sin, and without sin (the mark of the beast), they would not be able to receive/purchase the Salvation/Gold that is available from Yeshua:

    (Gal 2:17) But if, while we seek to be justified by Messiah, we ourselves also are found sinners (found as having the "mark" of the beast), [is] therefore Messiah the minister of sin? Elohim forbid.

    Sin is what crucified Yeshua, and if we continue in sin AFTER receiving THIS Knowledge of the Truth, we SELL the Gold/Salvation that we had received through our faithful confession of killing Yeshua through our sin. So you see, there is no buying or selling IN Yeshua without the "mark of the beast," which is sin. And the "number" of the beast/sinful man, is the number of Elohim's commandments (616), for each and every command of Elohim, NUMBERS us as sinners when we disobey them. The Latin Vulgate has 616 instead of 666, and I would submit that is a more accurate number for the beast, as the number of carnal man’s ways to sin, is the number of commands that have been given.

    Here are several excerpts from various articles speaking about the 616 versus 666:

    In Revelation 13;18 there is a “textual variant” at the number 666. Some manuscripts don’t read the number 666 at all but instead they read 616. In fact, the oldest extant manuscript containing Rev. 13:18 is a papyrus fragment called P115. This fragment reads 616 as the number of the beast, and if you wish to, you can see an image of this fragment for yourself by searching “P115” on Wikipedia.
    Already at the time of the church father Iranaeus (a.d. 130–202), the church was aware of this “variation” between 666 and 616 in biblical manuscripts. Irenaeus writes about it at some length in Against Heresies 05.30.1.[1] Irenaeus defends 666 as the correct number (as do most scholars today), and dismisses 616 as being the error of a copyist, which very well may be the case.

    An interesting element of {\displaystyle {\mathfrak {P}}}Papyrus 115 is that it gives the number of the beast in Revelation 13:18 as 616 (chi, iota, stigma (ΧΙϚ)), rather than the majority reading of 666 (chi, xi, stigma (ΧΞϚ)), as does Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus.

    "The number of the beast" is written as hexakosiai deka hex, lit. six hundred sixteen (616).[29] This is one of the most famous readings of the codex, it is also attested by Papyrus 115.[30]

    The first report that the Torah contains 613 commandments dates to the third century CE, when Rabbi Simlai mentioned this concept in a sermon that is recorded in the Babylonian Talmud, Makkot 23b. The Talmud states: “Rabbi Simlai gave as a sermon [darash Rabi Simlai]: 613 commandments were communicated to Moses – 365 negative commands, corresponding to the number of solar days [in a year], and 248 positive commands, corresponding to the number of the members [bones covered with flesh] of a man’s body.” It thus appears that Rabbi Simlai invented the number 613 because it fit his sermon: A person should observe the Torah with all his body parts (248) every day (365). The two numbers add up to 613.

    As far as we know, no one thought there were 613 biblical commandments before Rabbi Simlai offered his sermon. In fact, 150 years before Rabbi Simlai, ben Azzai is quoted as saying that there were three hundred biblical commands.
    Part 2 next post. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
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