Time Machine and Purpose

[Edmund Dantes]

Spying,

It's quiet around here, nice change. There is focus and the board is not all messy. You seem to be talking to yourself though on the other thread, I don't want to interrupt you. Perhaps you are just preaching. Either way the change is nice.

I went back in time and notice you deleted the thread about covid being a conspiracy made by the CCP. I thought this was the most important thread out there. It was a snapshot in time of real events and beliefs around them of the various characters here. One of the only that was on topic too.

Lucy for example had not witnessed anyone dying from the plague. Nor has she witnessed anyone dying from alligator ingestion I would bet. Therefore, neither have happened in that mind. That's the intellect you are dealing with there.

Eliyah on the other hand said Faucci knew about all along this would happen. The guy who has studied plagues and medicine and outbreaks. Yes, he is paid to know all about this, spends 40 hours a week working on learning about viruses, and the funny thing is with knowledge, you can begin to predict what will happen. See the weakness in the systems. I can predict someone tomorrow will be tricked by a poorly edited video. Does not mean I'm in on it.

So in the silence I can freely ask this question - how do you discern (recognize) truth? So that you don't believe so poorly incorrect that you negatively affect other lives?

I will start.

Identify the problem and gather data.

Here are the flaws of the examples above. One gathers from own experiences, the other from any data that keeps the problem alive. If it does not, it's disguarded and not analyzed. For example I picked apart a video here which made the deception apparent. The "identity the problem" portion quickly changed. That is not a discussion, it's a goose chase that I've watched you and Ken participate for too many threads than I should have enjoyed.

Would you care to share your steps 1 and 2 how you recognize truth? I believe without finding a solid foundation the discussion of why the 3rd floor balcony collapsed is irrelevant.

Thank you,
Ed

ps. Should you use this as an excuse to reintroduce the demons you exercised that is fine, but I won't be having discussions here. They are free to attack this thread all they want once it has run it's course, which is up to you on how long that is.

[Spying]

Topic: Being Right

Hi Edmund Dantes,

Blessings to you through the resurrected Messiah Yahushua, the Renewed and Restored YAHWEH ELOHIM!

I did make a rather drastic change to the forum by banning both Lucy and Eliyah. Both ImAHebrew and I agreed that they had been given sufficient opportunity to know about and understand the true nature of the grace of YAHWEH Messiah Yahushua and the true knowledge of HIM. As it is written:

2 Peter 1:2
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through knowledge of the ELOHIM and Yahushua the YAHWEH of us,

2 Peter 3:18
18 But grow in grace, and in knowledge of the YAHWEH and Saviour of us, Yahushua Messiah. To him be the glory both now and unto a day everlasting. Amen.

I think that I have related to you in the past that the only conspiracy that really intrigues me and grabs my fancy is the conspiracy created before the renewal of this planet earth, organized, and executed by YAHWEH ELOHIM through the death, burial, and 3rd Day resurrection of Messiah Yahushua. Being a spy, I have been blessed to look into the secret things of YAHWEH ELOHIM, and I am amazed that YAHWEH ELOHIM has engaged in a war through the Cross of Messiah Yahushua that completely destroys HIS enemies and then through the resurrection of Messiah Yahushua completely renews and restores HIMSELF to HIS former glory.

Hopefully, I will be able to amplify more to you on this thread in the future concerning how I know what I know.

I have no direct knowledge of the CCP activities concerning Covid 19. My idea that the CCP created the virus to deal with their own aged population is strictly a guess and therefore not worthy of this forum. So, I locked up the thread.

Now, the conspiracy of YAHWEH ELOHIM to renew and restore HIMSELF is not speculation. It is the real deal. I am,
Sincerely, Spying

[Edmund Dantes]

Thanks for the reply Spying.

I agree conspiracy theories are better left for the dustbin, unless using them to examine what is considered data. The common thread is the data is usually fuzzy, and results in a lot of, "think for yourself' comments," which is code for, "l can't prove it, here's more fuzzy data to muddy the argument, let's not examine that last piece anymore." I know because I knew those rabbit holes very well at one point.

If the one you believe, that is this crime against man purputratede by, satan (unsure what the proper term is), then you're correct, none other matter.

I'd love to listen and examine what data you have acquired. While you may be aware, and unlike you, I don't look at the bible as authoritative. Common ground may be hard to find.

thank you,
Ed

[Spying]

Topic: My Testimony!

Hi Edmund Dantes,

Blessings to you through the resurrected Messiah Yahushua, the Renewed and Restored YAHWEH ELOHIM!

Shabbat Shalom!

As a former Lutheran, Ephesians 2:8 was very important to me. Here is the Greek text of this important verse:

Ephesians 2:8
8 τῇ γὰρ χάριτί ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι διὰ τῆς πίστεως· καὶ τοῦτο οὐκ ἐξ ὑμῶν θεοῦ τὸ δῶρον

Please allow me to offer you my translation of the above verse:

Ephesians 2:8
8 For you are having been saved by the grace through the faith, and this is not out of yourselves, it is the gift of ELOHIM.

Please notice that grace, faith, and gift above all possess the definite article. "ἐστε" is the 2nd person plural present indicative form of "εἰμί" which is the 1st person singular of the Greek verb meaning "to be". "εἰμί" means "I am". "ἐστε" means "you are".

"σεσῳσμένοι" is the nominative plural participle of the Greek verb "σώζω". This verb means "to save", and it is interesting that the tense of "σεσῳσμένοι" is perfect, and the voice of this particular form of "σώζω" is passive. The perfect tense of a Greek verb "describes the present result of a past action", and the passive form of a Greek verb is used to indicate that the subject of the verb is being acted upon through the action indicated by the verb.

Therefore, we are presently saved through an action that has already occurred, and this salvation is by the grace through the faith, and this process is the gift of ELOHIM. So, we are saved by a very particular grace through a very particular faith, and this whole process of salvation is a very particular gift of ELOHIM that does not originate from you or me; rather, this salvation comes from ELOHIM.

So, what is the truth of the above verse? In order to come to an understanding of the above verse, one must first learn what "the grace" is. Then, we need to learn exactly what "the faith" is. Without a proper understanding of both of the above, we have no way of understanding the exact nature of "the gift".

My understanding of "the gift" is rather extraordinary. That being so, I am,
Sincerely, Spying

[Edmund Dantes]

Spying,

Reading throughout the forum I'm under the impression it goes like this (exaggerating to get the point)...

God dug a ditch and pushed humanity into it. Then throws a rope to save only those who can see it, the rest he blinded.

Grace is the rope. I have a hard time seeing this as anyone's responsibility except for God's. I think the key here is there is no choice but to sin. With 613 commandments and teenage years to go through, how could there be?

How is this just in any form or fashion? Wait, the question is how do you know the is true? not the former...

[Spying]

Topic: Blindness!

Hi Edmund Dantes,

Blessings to you through the resurrected Messiah Yahushua, the Renewed and Restored YAHWEH ELOHIM!

Thank you for your reply. You wrote in reply:

"God dug a ditch and pushed humanity into it. Then throws a rope to save only those who can see it, the rest he blinded."

It is true that the human condition and the circumstance in which humanity finds itself are totally under the control of YAHWEH ELOHIM! When Christians read that "ELOHIM saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good", they erroneously assume that "good" means perfect. How can any created individual like Adam and Eve who have no knowledge of good and evil be considered perfect? Does not perfection require that someone having a knowledge of good and evil always choose the good and not the evil? It surely does.

Your statement above recognizes that ELOHIM created blindness, but it fails to give ELOHIM the credit for the initial blindness of mankind. Adam and Eve having no knowledge of good and evil were created spiritually blind. Now, the issue becomes how does ELOHIM begin to allow mankind to acquire a knowledge of good and evil? It is right here that the rope that you speak of begins to enter the picture.

In seeking to understand this issue, it was helpful for me to contemplate this saying of Yahushua:

John 9:39
39 And Yahushua said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

Are there not two conditions described above? Indeed, the blind do exist, and, of course, there exists a group of people who imagine that they are sighted. To which group do you belong? I am,

Sincerely, Spying

[Edmund Dantes]

Spying,

That's the age age old question, and same one I have posed to you, just worded differently. Humans are funny. We all think we are right. Some more adenmently that others. Your other guests here argued you were blind and they were not. You argued the opposite. As for me, I do not know if I am, that is my final answer 🙂. Even what I know changes. Perhaps you have something that would blow my mind, I'm open to that. But it seems to me you are certain you are not blind. So, I think we are asking eachother the same question, how do you know you are not blind? I don't want to go in circles here, but I think that's the same question as "how do you know what you believe is true?" For me. I have no metaphysics beliefs.

[Spying]

The Blind!

Hi Edmund Dantes,
Blessings to you through the resurrected Messiah Yahushua, the Renewed and Restored YAHWEH ELOHIM!

Shabbat Shalom!

Actually, I consider myself blind, and what I am blessed to see are through the eyes of the resurrected Messiah Yahushua. I myself am not sighted in a spiritual sense. Oh, I do see in a physical sense, but I am fully aware that my spiritual sight comes solely from Messiah Yahushua, and I am inclined to lean on this scripture concerning HIM:

Isaiah 42:18-21
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as YAHWEH'S servant?
20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21 YAHWEH is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

You see, Edmund, whatever I do in a physical sense with respect to the Law, I do as a provocation for those who cannot see the spiritual side of the Law. As one who is also blind, I act with the hope that they may be blessed to see the spiritual in the Law.

I know, it is hard to make any sense out of all of this, but please believe me that there exists a hidden side to the Law which can only be seen through the eyes of Messiah Yahushua.

Do not let go of this bone. Fight for it with all your heart, and perhaps Messiah will give to you HIS eyes to see, I am,
Sincerely, Spying

[Edmund Dantes]

Spying, I think any provocation you're doing may be just self fulfilling. If you walk into someone's house and tell them how you're holier than thou because you don't celebrate Christmas but they do, I can't imagine that going well. Especially if it's my house, and I tell you I know about all the pagan stuff, but don't care, I get to be with my family, and that's what is important. I see you still enjoying the day with your family just like everyone else. I don't know how to say it other than you seem to feel you're above everyone else doing the same thing because you're magically chosen and have some special knowledge where you don't cut down and display a tree with nice lights for the kids to decorate. Sounds just horrific.

It's not the law they hate you for. Anyone who is different at all gets hatred, I don't think you're special, nor immune to the basic failings if humans like faulty pattern recognition. All Christians seem to have this martyr syndrome. You just happen to live in the midwest, not many like you out there.

[Spying]

Topic: Provocation!

Hi Edmund Dantes,

Blessings to you through the resurrected Messiah Yahushua, the Renewed and Restored YAHWEH ELOHIM!

I do wish that I could claim that everything that I do is for the glory of ELOHIM, but that would be an untrue statement because I find myself doing many things that I should not be doing. I am 74 years old, and I am still learning. Years ago if someone wished me "Merry Christmas", I would inform them that I do not celebrate Christmas. Now, I simply say "thank you" and go on my way. It is the same for "happy New Year".

Easter is usually not a problem or issue because Christians do not ordinarily go around wishing everyone a happy or joyous Easter before Easter. It is after the celebration of Easter that questions often arise. When asked, I simply say that I celebrate Passover instead of Easter and leave it go at that if the person that asked is satisfied. I have found that human nature thrives on curiosity and often my answer prompts further questions. The most common is "Oh, are you Jewish?" My answer is usually "Well, yes and no. Most Christians would deem me to be Jewish while most Jews would deem me to be Christian". Humans are curious until they can fit you into a box that they can understand and justify. I avoid giving them information that satisfies their curiosity with the hope that they will eventually come around seeking more information about me and what I believe.

I am hoping and wishing the best for them. I want them to live and not die so almost all of my provocation is extended to them respectfully and humbly with the hope that they themselves have been chosen by the resurrected Messiah Yahushua to continue to live until HIS return should that be their desire. Living in this body of flesh is not easy. I think that I understand why the Apostle Paul chose martyrdom.

Hoping that this answer gives you a better understanding of my use of provocation, I am,
Sincerely, Spying

[Edmund Dantes]

Spying, I managed to get off track there, How you preach is up to you. Glad to know you don't go around pointing fingers. Back to truth. I think we were on "how do you know any of this is true?" You believe a man rose from the dead, among a vast amount of other impossibilities that are not replicable or replicated today. I know you have a saying for everyone who doubts, that are often quoted and silly, because they are just stories. Doubting Thomas, people puffed up with knowledge, something of the like. These are quoted by people who think they are wise but really are just dismissive. It's like ancient QAnon to me. "He believes that ....and he thinks I believe lies while he has no proof for his story, I'm just supposed to believe it. And you want me where on Jan 6th?"

Unsure where to go from here. What've you got that is verifiable?

[ImAHebrew]

Shalom Edmund, thank you for what you wrote to Spying. Convincing someone of things that are difficult to believe, is not easy, but many were convinced 2000 years ago. What convinced them? They saw where something was written in "code" some 1500 years before them, and it came to fruition. It was just a matter of getting the insight into grasping the "code." Moses wrote the "code" in the Law, and Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection followed the "code" precisely. That convinced them. Would it convince you? Probably not unless you were given access to the "code." Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

P.S. Traditional christianity has no ability to crack the "code," because they are under a strong delusion that their deity requires that innocent blood be shed in their place, so they can be forgiven.

[Edmund Dantes]

IMAHebrew, the world is full of idiots. 2 000 years ago I'm not thinking it was real hard to get someone to believe a load of BS. This your first time on the internet? 😁 Difficult may be the wrong term. Code is that rope me and Spying were talking about. Still only selectively being handed out to the "worthy" I suppose? Code doesn't appear to have been shared with your previous guests here, nor theirs to you they would assert.
how do you know you didn't invent the code and not God? Is it too amazing? If you thought "only God could do this: it's my bet you stopped asking questions and God became the barrier to your curiosity. That's a serious question by the way. How do you know it's not in your head?
lastly, innocent or not, what God requires anything in return when they have unlimited time and resources? Especially when he threw them in the ditch in the first place. Thanks for your time sir.

ps, I read the code here a few times I believe. Why is it so convincing to you? I'm not asking for a ton of verses to choke down, just a simpler explanation.