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    HEB 7 v 25 -''wherefore He was able also to save them to the U.T.T.E.R.M.O.S.T. that come unto God BY HIM, seeing He ever liveth, to make INTERCESSION for them''
    IS this some small tiny puny salvation, a wisp and vapour salvation
    or
    IS IT SALVATION
    [ = freedom from the laws of sin and death]
    TO THE UTTERMOST
    [= full living real life in the Spirit where there is NOW no condemnation]

    firstly
    No 7 in bible numerics is perfection
    no 25 is forgiveness of sins.

    secondly
    notice this verse says
    these people ''come unto God[Father Abba] BY Him [Jesus Christ].

    thirdly
    it would appear that
    the Elohims are VERY INVOLVED here with this forgiven saint who apparently is going on into perfection.
    The laws of sin and death are being removed to make a way for LIFE IN THE SPIRIT to dwell within this forgiven soul.

    therefore this person becomes His workmanship to the UTTERMOST...regardless... because His workmanship means just that .................HIS.

    what is the POWER OF THE INTERCESSION OF JESUS CHRIST?
    do we think it would be a ho-hum, occassional prayer offered up for us?
    or
    DO U THINK, IT WOULD BE WITH LOUD CRIES....weeping...as the law of sin and death was BEING REMOVED....SO HIS LIFE.... WOULD REPLACE OURS.

    webster's dictionary description for
    UTTERMOST = extreme,
    being the farthest point
    most extreme distant
    greatest and highest degree.
    to the greatest power.
    the greater effort
    to the extremity.

    I could write this
    ''I lucy smith, am being set free from the laws of sin and death, Because i have come to Abba Father, thru His son Jesus Christ Messiah, who makes intercession over me,
    in the greatest power,
    to the highest degree
    and
    with the extremity of effort.''
    amen

  • #2
    I could write this

    Quote:
    ''I, lucy smith, am being set free from the laws of sin and death, Because i have come to Abba Father, thru His son Jesus Christ Messiah, who makes intercession over me,
    in the greatest power,
    to the highest degree
    and
    with the extremity of effort.''

    amen
    divine LOVE is doing this work.
    All this effort to the uttermost BY HIMSELF.. is FOR HIS BRIDE AND FAMILY AND the MAKING of HIS HOME.
    He is not using wood and hammers and nails like He did once to build homes and furniture... that is now passed for HIM
    but
    HE IS STILL BUILDING HIS HOME.. containing.
    a bride and children and a PLACE FOR THEM... IN HIS HEART LIFE AND KINGDOM.
    why?
    SO they can be where HE IS FOREVER safe and sound and a whole part of HIM, that He did not have before.


    Just like a natural man, beginning his life, to build a home with a wife and a family around him.

    that is WHY.............
    CHRIST IS SO INTENSE...
    FIERCE...
    IMMOVEABLE...
    STALWART..
    ROBUST...
    over His intercessions to the UTTERMOST.
    umm
    I am trying to find the right words.... but.. HE IS SO INLOVE, HE WILL NOT STOP, TILL HIS FAMILY IS SAFE and IN HIS HANDS., protected and secured
    or to be
    ''ENCASED'' IN CHRIST...

    encased - covered completely, enclosed.

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    • #3
      another point, that has come to my thinking is this

      Messiah is Ministering....notice... FROM THE POWER OF HIS INCORRUPTIBILITY.
      or said another way is
      He is now ministering out from the HIGHER REALM of Incorruptable life.
      sheez
      ....THAT IS SO AWESOME,

      His intercession is from a higher realm now,
      where His prayers, are stemming from the kingdom of incorruptable life...
      and so..
      by HIS intercession for us from that realm


      HE IS PASSING THAT INCORRUPTABLE LIFE INTO US... like a seed.


      what is ''HIS SEED'' THAT HE PLANTS IN US... from His incorruptable kingdom?
      IT would have to be HIS THOUGHTS, HIS DIVINE THINKING on how HE OVERCAME HIS TESTS AND TRIALS BY...
      THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT OF ENDLESS LIFE...

      He does not plant once to bear fruit
      BUT
      He plants His seed, [victory, mind thinking] in us, as we are ON His cross dying so HIS SPIRIT CAN BE PLANTED daily into our mind.=showing us how to overcome Just as HE OVERCAME.

      oh~! this is good.
      bless His wonderfull name for His revelations
      Last edited by LucySmith; 04-07-2006, 02:17 AM.

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      • #4
        In my understanding,
        I, RICOEL, have been set free
        from "self/carnal mind/flesh"
        in my SUBMISSION to
        HIS HOLY LIVING LAW/HOLY SPIRIT, in me,
        WHO LIVES HIS HOLY WRITTEN LAW, through me.

        "...not me who lives
        but HE WHO LIVES in me..."

        Through GOD YHSHWH'S LAW of FREEDOM/LIBERTY,
        I AM SET FREE from "self/carnal mind/flesh",
        GOD YHSHWH'S enemy.
        =-=-=-=-=-=-=

        ROM 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
        but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

        Because they that follow carnal self do carnal things,
        but they that follow HIS SPIRIT do things of HIS SPIRIT.

        ___

        ROM 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death;
        but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

        Because to be carnal minded is death,
        but to BE SPIRITUALLY MINDED is LIFE and PEACE.

        ___

        ROM 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
        for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be
        .

        Because the carnal mind is an enemy of GOD,
        because it does not submit to the LAW of GOD,
        neither can it
        .

        ___

        ROM 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh
        cannot please God.

        So, they that are carnal minded
        cannot please GOD.

        =-=-=-=-=-=-=

        In SUBMISSION
        to
        HIS HOLY LIVING LAW,
        WHO LIVES HIS HOLY WRITTEN LAW,
        I have OVERCOME "self/carnal mind/flesh";
        the GIFT of HIS SALVATION to the UTTERMOST.

        LOVE, RICOEL
        The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

        I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
        I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
        I CREATED YOU for ME.
        That is why I SAVED YOU.
        For ME.

        YOUR HUSBAND,
        YHSHWH

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        • #5
          amen RicoEl.

          RicoEL, just some thoughts..

          CAN WE ALL CONSIDER TOGETHER`~!!


          IF, i am set free,
          can we ask WHY do we need SUCH INTERCESSION?
          this is not some mild ''oncer prayer'' here, BUT GREAT EXCESSIVE INGROANINGS AND SPIRITUAL EMOTIONALISM
          [if there is such a word]
          IT IS FINISHED....ofcourse...
          we know it
          same as
          we sit in heavenly places....
          but
          way back, before i was learning His secrets, i felt in hell not heaven, too many times.
          even when I KNEW..''it is finished''...
          I found out...
          We have to grow up into ''it is finished''..status....
          to be birthed and grow like a child...into a responsible ADULT person..spiritually responsible that is...
          Messiah was SPIRITUALLY RESPONSIBLE for His Father's business.
          TO BE saved to the uttermost.. does not contain death within it and thats THE GREATEST NEWS. amen
          As His intercession unfolds over us, it activates our BELIEF AND our 100% FAITHFULLNESS TO HIM, so that WE WORK OUT our salvation in fear and in tremblings.
          We receive,
          we believe
          we do...

          so that HE RECEIVES ALL THE GLORY~!

          YES, we can say ''this is so'' then sit on our hands waiting for ''this is so'' to appear.... YES...
          however
          a paradox comes into play as well....
          cuz
          ''while we believe and sit on our hands'' HE boots us in the butt [by His victorious and robust intercession] to DO AS HE BELIEVES.. thru us.
          When i was younger some guy named Authur said to me ''Lucy i am waiting for Abba to take away my smoking''
          now, doesn't that sound like trust and faith...
          YES but there is a twist..
          Next time Authur told this to a few people, I said ARTHUR ''you will die waiting'' then got a red face as others glared at me!
          why?
          because Authur still lived in the old mindset... he was filled up with Pentecostalism NOT RELATIONSHIP.
          cuz
          We are to be as a bride INLOVE... AND NOTHING is too much trouble for What our WELL BELOVED WANTS...
          HE WANTS US INCORRUPTABLE... HE GETS US INCORRUPTABLE.. amen
          HIS WAY
          HIS TERMS...
          HIS WORKMANSHIP...

          workmanship - is a progress of test/trial till that corruption is fully removed. amen
          NOW!!!!!!!!
          HE CAN LIVE in MY heart, all because that corruptable place that was once in me.... has now been cleansed. AMEN

          it is a DELIGHT TO BE WORKED UPON BY THE UNIVERSAL King and Master...
          I personally feel lighter
          and alive
          and inlove
          and very different;
          cuz I am in the refiner's fire
          to be
          re-born,
          re-newed,
          re-invented...
          ALL BECAUSE A MAN-GOD, fell inlove with my soul. amen

          HOW GLORIOUS A WONDER IS THAT...
          The Lord of the universe says to a flower-lady.
          ''I love you Lucy'' and Messiah Jesus Christ is not joking. amen

          I DONT EVER THINK...
          IT COULD GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT....now this is personal... but to share as a witness of How to hear from our living king HE WILL SPEAK TO US and make sure we hear Him thru whatsoever means it takes...
          Lucy Ricardo:
          The Redhead Who Will Never Die - Popular Culture ...
          Did you know that almost every minute of every day somewhere in the world an ''I Love Lucy'' rerun is playing?
          When i get a ''word'' like that i fall to pieces, and become very humble because I KNOW GRACE AND MERCY only
          has been released over my life.
          I CANNOT BOAST a dying person CANNOT brag. why? -They are releasing their Spirit into His care AMEN
          Thats what I do.
          I cannot cope with this vile tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil.
          I have to REJECT its fruit and advice totally.
          Nothing now about that ''tree'' attracts me too it.
          I hate it and loathe it with passion.
          THAT'S WHAT..................HIS INTERCESSION.... IS DOING TO ME.....REJECTING THE VILE AND INVITING THE INCORRUPTION OF HIM, into my life. amen

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          • #6
            If, we are saved to the uttermost.. can we ask...

            what am 'i' responsible for?

            Messiah's heavy intercession... allows me.... the liberty and freedom from the laws of sin and death...
            BUT....................................
            I HAVE TO KNOW THIS experimentially so i play my part TOO.

            All because this is a 2 sided adventure and a CO-OPERATIONAL SPIRIT manifestation.

            Spying wrote [in another post]

            ''the life is LOVE''.


            NOW
            to me this is very deep and meaningfull for it tells us some rather interesting facts...

            .................the love of life, is, the life of love...................

            SO~!~!~!
            WE HAVE TO TRANSLATE THIS...........INTO.... our own lives.

            HOW~!

            I CAN HAVE THESE LOVELY DEEP MEANINGFULL WORDS staring AT ME... but how do i transform them into my life and make them grow into divine manifestation?

            i believe, this, has to be in OUR attitude change.

            We have to search our own persona and see what ''affects'' us... then.... when we find each different button that when pressed sets us off like some maverick fire-cracker... it has to be disolved so the law of life in the Spirit take control.

            example

            Jesus on the cross.
            He says ''FATHER, forgive them for they know not what they do''....
            and again..
            Apostle Stephen and his death... He says almost the same thing.
            NOW.. come on......
            this is ONE HUGE CHARACTER CHANGE OVER HERE FOR SURE...
            Given the same circumstances.. could we say the same...
            NOW REMEMBER
            IF WE HONESTLY COULD NOT... the vile laws of sin and death are still lingering within our being...
            IT IS ALL VERY WELL TO BELIEVE... BUT WHAT OF ACTION, = ACTING ON OUR BELIEF?
            ummm.
            We who are maturing suddenly come into the realization we are UNABLE TO CHANGE OURSELVES VERY SUCCESSFULL, despite all our good intentions... YET...
            WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TOO..
            what?
            I found this works................

            math 11 v 28-30.

            THIS IS THE ONLY THING I HAVE FOUND, that will change us over from death into LIFE, = full on love IN LIFE... OR full on life of love.
            He has to come to our rescue, then take our burden, lift it off from us, make us free from them all.
            why?
            CUZ HE ASKS FOR OUR BURDEN AS HE KNOWS HE IS THE ONLY ONE, WHO CAN HANDLE THE TREE OF UNDERSTANDING of GOOD AND EVIL
            WE CANNOT.

            it is our duty... to give to HIM our burdens and co-opperate with His instructions over our burden...

            yes, it shall take practice.
            yes, it shall be wearisome...
            but
            IN THE LONG HAUL.... we win IN HIM.
            --------------------------------------
            i used to be very moved on by other people's ill treatment, nasty ways and accussations of me.
            I always wondered what i ever did, that was so bad that some people would literally ATTACK LIKE DOGS, at me.
            Once i thought maybe i had some invisible sign of my back that said ''kick her she won't notice anyways''.
            These people would turn, eyes flashing, lips spitting in accussation and wham i went down cuz they intimidated me so bad with their verbal assaults.
            I could be out of action for a day over what they said and how i wished i had responded with some smart a---d devastating relpy.
            well my whole life was spent like this... not all the time.. but enough to make it noticeable .
            One day I FOUND... math 11... and i did what i was told... i gave my burdens to Messiah, and i prayed over everything that affected me... and i noticed it all began to fade away.
            YES, they were still ''attacking'' sometimes, but i did not seem to take so much notice, till one day.. i found, they were speaking and i could not actually hear what they said.... like i became deaf, but i was not deaf.
            What they had to say.... no longer ''affects'' me like it once did.
            I have GROWN OUT from their verbal abuses.
            I am learning the hard way i feel cuz sometimes i wish i was quicker to understand.. however... what ''they'' say no longer is really important, for IF my conscious is clear.. WHO CARES...like WHO CARES.
            [IN MY MIND I HAVE A WEE MOTTO .. IT SAYS ''WHO CARES'' i sure as hell dont,]
            We have to be trained up to LIVE ABOVE what ''they'' do and don't let ''them'' paralyse us anymore.
            INTIMIDATION works.. WE JUST HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS STOPPED.

            WE CANNOT BE buffeted by their vanity.. COME ON... VANITY IS A LOOSER.
            We are trained up to be His SENTINELS of Truth, GUARDS OF HONOUR over His Word... and NOTHING AND NO-ONE comes along and STOMPS on a spiritual SENTINEL CALLED A living stone.

            AS living stones, we are to CARRY others, care over others NOT BE knocked out and paralysed BY DEMONIC INSANE INTIMIDATION from them... IT WONT WORK, In Christ.. amen

            ask this
            how can we be successfull in the divine Ministry of Messiah, the anointing power of the Most High God.... and still BE INTIMIDATED... by freaky vanity manifesting.

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            • #7
              The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil!

              Hi Lucy Smith and Israelthebride,

              As soon as I read these words:
              In my understanding,
              I, RICOEL, have been set free
              from "self/carnal mind/flesh"
              in my SUBMISSION to
              HIS HOLY LIVING LAW/HOLY SPIRIT, in me,
              WHO LIVES HIS HOLY WRITTEN LAW, through me.

              "...not me who lives
              but HE WHO LIVES in me..."

              Through GOD YHSHWH'S LAW of FREEDOM/LIBERTY,
              I AM SET FREE from "self/carnal mind/flesh",
              GOD YHSHWH'S enemy.
              I reacted with a mild sense of self preservation, a sense which says, hey, what about me? Do I count? Do my feelings count here? Can I exist with Messiah Yahushua disliking something that HE likes? Can I exist with Messiah Yahushua and tell HIM and lobby with HIM for all that I am worth that I don't like HIS idea, that I think it should be done a different way? Oh, am I ever going to get in trouble here!

              Lady Lucy also reacted to your words, Israelthebride. Let's indeed stretch out the hammock or pull up the most comfortable chair and really explore this issue, please? Do we have freedom with Messiah to be ourselves? Can we have a mind that disagrees? Can we vigorously express a contrary opinion? Can we ourselves possess a flesh? Or does submission require that we just all hang on the arm of Messiah as HIS sparkling adornments, HIS show girls who are constantly subjecting the "me" so that Messiah can live in "us"? Is that what living in "me" means?

              If that is true, Israelthebride, then why do you yet have even this:
              In my understanding
              Surely, he who has no "self" no longer has an "understanding" and especially an understanding that is qualified by the possessive "my".

              Lucy Smith, we have discussed our feelings about the Matrix. You and I feel differently about it. And you have the freedom with me to feel differently. Now, I just happen to think that eventually, if you hang around me long enough, that you are going to adopt my position , a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, you know! And I am sure that you feel the same about me. You are sure that I am going to come around to your way of thinking, aren't you? Even so, is the Matrix an enemy?

              In the same vein, is the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil an enemy? And, even if it should prove to be an enemy, how is it that you are unable to handle it? You sound like Eve here! And if you are indeed free, and if the Tree is good for food, why can't you eat from it?

              Sincerely, Ab 139/61 yesterday
              The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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              • #8
                Our Tree?

                Hi Lucy Smith,

                I have often wondered and been intrigued by Paul's statement:
                1 Corinthians 15:31

                31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Messiah Yahushua our ADONAI, I die daily.
                In light of what Paul says, these your words are indeed awesome and good:
                He plants His seed, [victory, mind thinking] in us, as we are ON His cross dying so HIS SPIRIT CAN BE PLANTED daily into our mind.=showing us how to overcome Just as HE OVERCAME.

                oh~! this is good.
                bless His wonderfull name for His revelations
                This is indeed a wonderful revelation!!!

                Please, let's really look here, please, and don't think too badly of me for my thoughts here? The Cross is a tree. We are hanging from it, and this tree is in our garden. We desire with a whole heart that it be finished. Have we been eating from this tree?

                Messiah ate from this tree. Without being too X rated, I desire that we look upon this tree as Messiah first sexual encounter in which Messiah was required to exercise the Sword or Word of ELOHIM until an orgasm occurred. Understand that all the seed (spirit) of the ELOHIM was deposited in the cleft of the Rock all at once. This Rock is Messiah Yahushua!!! And this orgasm resulted in HIS resurrection!

                If I hear what you are saying, we must endure on our Cross until the Seed of Messiah is deposited in us. We all don't have the same weaknesses so we only get that portion of the spirit which we need to overcome in victory. Oh, I am getting excited just thinking about this.

                You get some seed (spirit); I get some seed as we do also exercise the Word of Messiah. What Word?

                Now, here is what is really exciting to me. It is our duty to bring Messiah to orgasm as HE brought the ELOHIM to orgasm. Is it going to be hard to bring Messiah to orgasm?

                I cannot accomplish this by myself. This is something that we can only accomplish collectively as a Band Of Brothers as we hang on our tree and work in unison!!!

                Sincerely, Ab

                P.S. I wanted to quote here from a post where you talked about it being so good that you were fainting. I looked and I looked this morning, but I could not find it.
                The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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                • #9
                  My life/HIS LIFE is FOREVER with HIM.
                  I AM not CREATED to live here.
                  I AM BEING CREATED into WHO I AM to BE - HIS.
                  I AM FORMING YOU for ME. (click)
                  =-=-=-=-=-=-=

                  The “CUT” of HIS LAW

                  To SUBMIT to HIS LAW,
                  you feel the cut of HIS LAW:

                  HEB 4:12
                  For the word of God is quick, and powerful,
                  and sharper than any twoedged sword,
                  piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
                  and of the joints and marrow,
                  and is a discerner of the thoughts
                  and intents of the heart.
                  =-=-=

                  GOD YHSHWH'S LAW IS HOLY; I (self) am not.
                  HIS LAW means "death" to me,
                  so I must die (deny "self").

                  Many refuse to "die".
                  They would rather go with their "own" feelings
                  and say that they have the "PEACE of HOLY SPIRIT".
                  They will not SUBMIT to HIS LAW
                  unless they "feel" right about it.

                  "ONE must know the "cut" of HIS LAW."

                  ROM 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life,
                  I found to be unto death.

                  The COMMANDMENT that was to give me LIFE,
                  I found to be my death.

                  ___

                  ROM 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment,
                  deceived me, and by it slew me.

                  For sin, set in motion by the COMMANDMENT,
                  fooled me, and was killing me.

                  ___

                  ROM 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy,
                  and the commandment holy,
                  and just, and good.

                  Why, the LAW is HOLY
                  and the COMMANDMENT HOLY,
                  JUST and GOOD.

                  ___

                  ROM 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me?
                  God forbid.
                  But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me
                  by that which is good; that sin
                  by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

                  Does this mean that that which is good is death to me? GOD forbid.
                  But for me to see sin, that was death to me,
                  that sin had to be shown really sinful to me by the COMMANDMENT.

                  ___

                  ROM 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual:
                  but I am carnal, sold under sin.

                  Because we know that the LAW is SPIRITUAL,
                  but I am carnal, a slave to sin.

                  =-=-=

                  Our relationship with HIM, in FOREVER,
                  is based on our relationship with HIM, now.


                  "die" while you are, still, alive.

                  Greater love hath no man than this,
                  that a man lay down his life for his friends.
                  Ye are my friends,
                  if ye do whatsoever I command you.
                  JN 15:13-14

                  LOVE, RICOEL
                  The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

                  I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
                  I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
                  I CREATED YOU for ME.
                  That is why I SAVED YOU.
                  For ME.

                  YOUR HUSBAND,
                  YHSHWH

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                  • #10
                    religion makes people stoogy.. like a scone

                    a scone is a pastry cake that is round and HAS NO CHARACTER... it is dreary
                    looking. I do believe religion is like that.
                    religious scones... pastries that are dreary.

                    his seed is HIS SEED.... that it. [His appearing IN us]

                    heaven is here
                    examples are all over IF WE LOOK we can see it.
                    being reproduced every minute of the day.. WE ARE THE SHADOW of the real thing.... a shadow still has the same ways but in a darkened state

                    now i have to work... otherwise the flowers shall wilt and i get no pay...
                    and i am fainting for not being able to respond to those wonderfull posts Spying and I the B
                    i edited out... i am fainting.. even if i was...
                    i was thinking ''gosh Lucy calm down''.
                    now i am off
                    talk soon... when i have my thinking head on.
                    PS
                    There is heaps more we can find out, we just have to have unstuffed religious ears...................HIS SEED IS HIS SEED..
                    remember its a love story...
                    love....love... is.

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                    • #11
                      Hey Guy... you have given me some strong meat

                      THANK YOU
                      Yes, Spying... i now see things your way, YES the tree of good and evil is A NECESSARY THING. WE HAD TO HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE.... to grow... out from one form of being into another form of being.
                      thank you for your divine patience with me ...i see it all now...we had to have this ''alternative'' to understand our new position.
                      YES, i can bend and change like a plam tree in the breeze, rather than be some rigid stick-person.

                      We were once one form of spiritual being, who agreed [written in His book of rememberance] to be changed [ by the experience of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil] into another form called ''a new creature''.
                      IT WAS LIKE A GRADUATION from class 1 into class 12. to all happened on the stage of this life on earth.
                      umm.
                      I was thinking [just thinking only...not written in stone ] that this NEW CREATURE, was to be the divine formation of the endless life order of a man-god ELEVATED into the Order of Melchisedic......
                      ie.. the divine question is asked ''who can be put into this order without fear or favour''? = whom shall we choose? type of scenerio.
                      so... it was planned that ONLY THE OVERCOMER... mentioned in Rev 1/2 was ''entitled'' to be ELEVATED to this rule, co-heir +reigning postion.
                      but i am getting off track and too far ahead...
                      so...
                      i have to consider your wonderfull post Spying..
                      Please, let's really look here, please, and don't think too badly of me for my thoughts here?
                      lucy says
                      nope all is ok...

                      The Cross is a tree.
                      lucy says
                      yes....the tree of life,
                      the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
                      the tree of the cross.


                      We are hanging from it, and this tree is in our garden.
                      lucy says

                      yes, this tree is now our garden, we can choose HIS WAY or our way but whatever way we choose we will die.... die to sin, die in sin.


                      We desire with a whole heart that it be finished. Have we been eating from this tree?
                      lucy says
                      it is finished and it is, we have to learn from the Holy Spirit how to walk FINSHED... none of us give the car keys to a 2 yrs old child hey... why should the awesome power of the universe by in the hands of a spiritual infant. Thats is why we are to grow up into perfection so we will be RESPONSIBLE enough to not be continually corrected.

                      Messiah ate from this tree.
                      Without being too X rated, I desire that we look upon this tree as Messiah first sexual encounter in which Messiah was required to exercise the Sword or Word of ELOHIM until an orgasm occurred.
                      Understand that all the seed (spirit) of the ELOHIM was deposited in the cleft of the Rock all at once. This Rock is Messiah Yahushua!!! And this orgasm resulted in HIS resurrection!
                      lucy says
                      Yes, that is what i have been taught.... what we have seen in nature is reflected also in the spiritual...the same exactly life BUT one is in the shadow of death.
                      Consider this plx....
                      how great a God to devise male and female reproduction...
                      what a mind,....
                      this plays out here and there.
                      SIMPLE HEY.. we just have to come into a BEAUTIFULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT A BEAUTIFULL 'WOMAN' DOES TO THE UNIVERSE... AND ITS KING.


                      If I hear what you are saying, we must endure on our Cross until the Seed of Messiah is deposited in us.
                      Lucy says
                      correct... daily HIS SEED is placed within the womb of my mind...meaning THE THINKING OF THE DIVINE MIND co-joins with our mind like a union that creates life anew... = again meaning when Messiah deposits His seed within my mind.. I AM LOVED LIKE NO OTHER, and then I grow and reproduce WHAT HE NEEDS from me. I AM to become HIS FERTILE GROUND.

                      We all don't have the same weaknesses so we only get that portion of the spirit which we need to overcome in victory. Oh, I am getting excited just thinking about this.
                      lucy says
                      oh~! your'e just one big spiritual excitment freak...
                      seriously
                      YES HIS SEED OVERCOMES satan's seed IN us... HIS SEED IS VICTORIOUS and enters our womb [mind] and then CONTROLS the growth of that seed. HE IS NOT into spiritual abortions.


                      You get some seed (spirit); I get some seed as we do also exercise the Word of Messiah.
                      What Word?
                      lucy says
                      LIFE.
                      HIS SEED BEGETS HIS LIFE inside of us. DO U FEEL IT.? DO U BECOME ALIVE AND WANT TO FAINT AWAY, when His revelation and glory falls upon you? OFCOURSE.
                      he wants his seed of life flowing in you... not aborted by the devil


                      Now, here is what is really exciting to me.

                      It is our duty to bring Messiah to orgasm as HE brought the ELOHIM to orgasm. Is it going to be hard to bring Messiah to orgasm?
                      lucy says
                      nope...
                      we do as we are told and His seed bears HIS FRUIT in our womb [ that is our mind]
                      as it happens in the natural world... same as in the spiritual world.
                      HE IS INLOVE with one beautifull woman... HE DESIRES HER...


                      I cannot accomplish this by myself. This is something that we can only accomplish collectively as a Band Of Brothers as we hang on our tree and work in unison!!!
                      lucy says
                      wowow....amen amen....
                      Sincerely, Ab

                      P.S. I wanted to quote here from a post where you talked about it being so good that you were fainting. I looked and I looked this morning, but I could not find it.
                      lucy says
                      i deleted that... now i am mad with myself.. so sorry... but i was thinking ''lucy calm down''... I was flowing Spying and when i flow i faint from the wonder of what He is telling me sometimes. I find it too much.....
                      to cont

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                      • #12
                        cont to re-cap a little

                        Jesus Christ plays the role of our soul eve in this divine play.
                        He willed His soul to obey His Spirit [Male Elohims].
                        Jesus personal soul was removed from all deception as HE knew that the only way to defeat the power of this ''tool'' called satan, was to be a SURRENDED up vessel, so that this vessel can contain the Power of God.

                        To obey Abba always He was to have the SEED [ WORD] OF Elohim placed into His fertile mind and grow, to PRODUCE everything Elohim's desire.

                        This way His spirit became married to His soul and so His body became life and light.

                        On the cross, the 'climax' came when HE was DYING AS GAVE UP HIS OWN SOUL TO ANOTHER.... and in this 'climatic-power' HE was resurrected.
                        The ''power'' came from the divine climax..
                        BECAUSE OF THIS CLIMAX... He can now produce a FAMILY............
                        THIS IS LIKE HIS FAMILY, HE WAS NEVER ABLE TO HAVE WHILE ON EARTH... and we are to remember it was NOT GOOD in those times for a man to be alone + not reproduce.

                        now,
                        as part of His seed, we! His children who are called out into Perfection, have to ''experience'' His climax so we too will reproduce....the divine birds and bees.
                        His seed [will emotion, word - that creates and forms worlds BY His word] is placed in the womb of our fertile mind, and this seed GROWS UP daily.. to be like HIM....
                        to be like HIM... we overcome AND WE LEARN how to dwell in endless life as a High Priest unto HIM and this Order.... and this Order has to have NO death in it at all.

                        we can continue to have satan ''rape us'' as he did to our soul eve.. she is being spiritually raped and fails to produce the divine seed.
                        or
                        we can listen to Messiah's just instructions and LIVE, to become ALIVE AND GROW up into this HOPE CALLED GLORY.
                        Father shall have a GENERATION of His seed. amen
                        THOSE PEOPLE like Joshua and Caleb, who have an indomitabe Spirit [ one that NEVER GIVES UP NO MATTER WHAT] and this crowd called the royal household, lives for-ever under the full Lordship of Messiah and His kingdom.
                        This generation are JOINED TOGETHER, like a living necklace of pearls. THEY ARE ZION, the city of God, that will never be shaken.
                        Abba, is now processing such people.
                        HE DESIRES SUCH A PEOPLE.... HE WOOS SUCH A PEOPLE... AND OVERSHADOWS SUCH PEOPLE... HE PURSUES such people.. HIS SEED.

                        NOW
                        this generation KNOW of His love and of His devotion.
                        It crosses over the 2 realms into manifestions of woo-ing love and where these people go 'LOVE' IS INFRONT OF THEM... so that others feel this outpouring...
                        Love is....what?
                        LOVE IS CHANGING INTO A FORM THAT BECOMES IRRESTIABLE to the King of everything.

                        I get overcome by it...I feel its power rise up inside me and my inner man has spiritual butterflies.????
                        I know others can be moved by this, as I stand aside and watch HIS WORK FLOW OUT... even in a small way....
                        NOW.... IMAGINE THIS MULTIPLIED by many... this band of brothers, THE EFFECT WOULD SMASH EVERYTHING corrupted as LOVE OVERCOME the walking wounded and dying dead.
                        GATE BEAUTIFULL WOULD BECOME ALIVE IN OUR LIVES... first in us and then in them... THE EASTERN GATE, THE GOLDEN GATE THE BEAUTIFULL GATE would be opened.. BY LOVE.
                        the key is love. the greatest of all gifts.
                        LOVE IS.


                        Spying... how is this re-caps?...
                        correct all u wish... add all u wish....
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                        • #13
                          Bringing Mr. Smith Into The Light!

                          Hi Lucy Smith,
                          Spying... how is this re-caps?...
                          My Lady, I think that we have come full circle. Through Eve, sin and death were introduced to the Matrix with the full cooperation of Adam. Through Messiah Yahushua, the spiritual Mother of All The Living, LIFE and Immortality were brought to light through HIS cohabitation with all the ELOHIM, and now we, HIS helpmeet and offspring, have opportunity to transform the Matrix and bring to full light the spiritual MAN, Messiah Yahushua, in all HIS glory. Remember, the glory of a man is woman. This transformation of the Matrix through the spiritual WOMAN is only possible with the full cooperation of the spiritual MAN!

                          Do you remember the end of movie, when Neo soars? My Lady, you are soaring, and you are helping others around you, others like me, to soar!!! Yes, indeed. I am thrilled to sit at your feet and learn. I love to share with you, and I find myself waiting for your teaching with eager anticipation. You have learned full well how to rule in weakness, while I am yet striving to submit in strength. Both are types of overcomers, and both are necessary to transform the Matrix.

                          Why must the Matrix be transformed? Just as we are the glory and the outward manifestation of Messiah's inner transformation, the Matrix will be the outward manifestation of our inner transformation through Messiah Yahushua. Call it our glory if you will! Our canopy, our covering.

                          It is also our destiny. It is ordained:
                          Genesis 1:28

                          28 And ELOHIM blessed them, and ELOHIM said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
                          This will be accomplished by the spiritual Man who is both male and female. This is only fitting. If we cannot rule over the Matrix, what right do we have to rule over the Universe?

                          I am sorry Mr. Smith! Lucy is bringing you to light as no other can bring you into the light, and Neo (the spiritual WOMAN) will gladly take your power and authority and begin to reign as you flee from our love towards each other and towards Messiah Yahushua, a love that you greatly fear.

                          You molested and raped our first mother, Eve. You raped our spiritual Mother, Messiah Yahushua, and now you know longer possess seed. So, your power is an illusion, but ours is not. We possess your seed and like the Matrix, it is being transformed in us by us right now.

                          Currahee!

                          Sincerely, Ab 157/84
                          The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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                          • #14
                            the best thing....nothing but the best

                            Spying thanks for your wisdom..
                            It is I who read your wisdom.
                            IT is I who LEARN FROM YOU.. .
                            Spying is a great teacher of GLORY and full of wisdom.
                            you know things i dont and put up an aspect i had not considered before...
                            WE LEARN from each other... WE dont learn religion we learn about RELATIONSHIP...and that relationship makes us soar...like Neo.
                            He had friends that made him soar, without them = no soaring.
                            The Love in His brethren lifts them up, INTO the UNLIMITED...they are becoming His great eagles = great HOLY SAINTS = the great ancient ones..[THE FIRST SHALL BE LAST AND THE LAST SHALL BE FIRST] who care not only for their King Messiah and all His kingdoms BUT for all of HIS creation.

                            why?

                            well i have an idea.
                            PEARLS MAKE A NECKLACE, right.
                            consider Plx- The BRETHREN are HIS PEARLS, and are ALL FITTED TOGETHER
                            A pearl of great price + pearls who have paid the price, NOW fitted together, that make up a necklace.

                            a necklace.- THAT takes us from THE PIT into THE PALACE.
                            IS
                            WHEN HE TAKES UP HIS JEWELS.

                            JOSEPH AND DANIEL, BOTH WERE GIVEN A NECKLACE.- comments i found said
                            ''Joseph was given a signet ring, fine garments of linen, and a gold necklace by Pharaoh when Pharaoh made him the equivalent of "grand vizier" over Egypt (Genesis 41:39-45).
                            This jewelry symbolized power and authority.''

                            and for DANIEL.

                            Daniel’s Reward
                            (5:29)''Then Belshazzar gave orders, and they Clothed Daniel with purple and put a necklace of gold around his neck, and issued a proclamation concerning him that he now had authority as the third ruler in the kingdom. ''

                            see this Spying....

                            The pearl of great price necklace is ZION, meaning THE BRETHREN who are filled with His love, towards their brotherhood and then all creation.
                            They are given the divine necklace of AUTHORITY AND PLACED HIGH, [high calling phil 3 v 10-14] in His Kingdom.
                            That's their future...
                            but
                            thats them now too..
                            They are just learning to grow up into FULL SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY ...
                            Spying.
                            THAT IS WHY 'NEO' WAS ABLE TO SOAR.
                            He is a picture/parable of many Great EAGLE saints.
                            Abba is making HIS Neo to fly.
                            Have u seen them flying and soaring? I have in a way.
                            They fly in slow motion, each feather is clearly seen, their eyes are sparkling They fly in a group of 5 and they gather up the weak and the wounded.
                            When they fly, it is in a slow motion way, you know they are immortal, for this unusual music flows with them and their flying motions.
                            This causes others around them to weep, tears flow every easily at the sight of the great eagles and the music that comes with them.
                            The most amazing factor about them is their GENTLENESS....i cannot really describe this, because it is a supernature fruit, that their gentleness brings tears of peace and also of release.
                            I THINK, that this gentleness is because, of their overwhelming love for their King, so this gentle fruit is manifested outwards.
                            All the Weak and wounded things, become strengthen by this power of gentleness and all gain a great security from such great eagle saints and their divine ministry.
                            I find it is never a ministry of condemnation but rather quiet the opposite, it is one of CARING... a caring and a lifting up and binding up everything that is wounded and suffering.
                            This is the point of our salvation, meaning a completed person who is able to minister out the same as their King.
                            How He ministers to me, I have to learn how to minister to others.
                            Spying.
                            These great eagle saints are WORKING IN RESURRECTION life....and it is this power of that 'spiritual climax' abovementioned everything that was once considered as dead is healed.
                            I dont think words fully describe such a spiritual earthquake.
                            i am thinking more on this... but... the overcoming brethren HIS ZION - have to understand how to minister out to
                            '' the raped victim SOUL-eve''
                            THE MINISTRY OF THE restoration OF SOULS.

                            to cont.

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                            • #15
                              expect the best...expect it~!

                              you have said some very deep things i want to explore and wonder over...

                              Originally posted by Spying
                              Hi Lucy Smith,
                              lucy says
                              Good evening Spying
                              i hope u have a lovely evening~!


                              My Lady, I think that we have come full circle.
                              Through Eve, sin and death were introduced to the Matrix with the full cooperation of Adam.
                              lucy says...
                              i like this Spying ... the full co-operation of Adam...can u expand a little..more thoughts please?

                              Through Messiah Yahushua, the spiritual Mother of All The Living, LIFE and Immortality were brought to light through HIS cohabitation with all the ELOHIM, and now we, HIS helpmeet and offspring, have opportunity to transform the Matrix and bring to full light the spiritual MAN, Messiah Yahushua, in all HIS glory.
                              lucy says
                              agreed

                              Remember, the glory of a man is woman.
                              lucy says.
                              this has some deep truths here Spying.. can we look at this too Plx..

                              This transformation of the Matrix through the
                              spiritual WOMAN is only possible with the full co-operation of the spiritual MAN!
                              lucy says
                              this is SO AMAZING...
                              TO DISCOVER THIS FACT...
                              NOW THIS IS REAL REVELATION...
                              let us move into the revelation ok?
                              the spiritual male and the spiritual female has to be COMPATABLE...[union]
                              BOTH THE SAME ''KIND'' or the same class of Spirit.[adult spirits able to bear children]
                              MALE KIND /FEMALE KIND - JOINED IN KIND = harmony to the highest level.
                              Let us now
                              to go into the natural realm.
                              to consider this.............................

                              The desire of all people, is a universal desire from both men and women... to live in HARMONY..
                              this feeling knows no age or race it is like a UNIVERSAL consciousness , that the entire population from all ages have....
                              DONT U THINK THAT IS AN AMAZING MIND THOUGHT FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE?
                              If we can dissect this thought we will find that continual dis-harmony fails to reproduce good fruit only HARMONY can reproduce.
                              Now to return to the spiritual male and the spiritual female only WHEN THEY ARE joined together in kind can THEY reproduce spiritual children who shall SUBDUE etc.
                              This is something so easily missed in the rhetoric of just bible reading and not looking into the LAYERS of Truth, found within the pages of the bible = that it's secrets shall be revealed ONLY TO, THE SPIRITUALLY MINDED.
                              The ''woman'' issue is not a about women wearing hats, add nauseum etc,
                              IT IS ABOUT A SPIRITUAL WOMAN HELP-MEET TO HER SPIRITUAL MALE....PRODUCING CHILDREN together....
                              we can learn so much more to this ~!



                              Do you remember the end of movie, when Neo soars?
                              lucy says
                              yes, that movie shows up great massive spiritual truths

                              My Lady, you are soaring, and you are helping others around you, others like me, to soar!!!
                              lucy says
                              Thank you Spying,
                              let us soar, all is well in soaring... there is no limitation.
                              soaring alone is not much chop.
                              When we soar together we fly outside of all adamic limits as Messiah's revelation flows and teaches us, subdue-ing and spiritual art of divine child-bearing



                              Yes, indeed. I am thrilled to sit at your feet and learn.
                              lucy says
                              it works 2 ways...
                              what u write i love too,
                              why?
                              it takes me out from my ways of thinking and expands me into another realm i did not think of.
                              His Brethren were never made to be alone, they were built for fellowship..
                              a ship of fellows
                              I love that. Imagine the divine power produced from ship-of-fellows.


                              I love to share with you, and I find myself waiting for your teaching with eager anticipation.

                              lucy says
                              that is because we come into His presence Spying
                              that's what we love.. HIS APPEARING IN US.
                              This happens daily....
                              Just watch for it to come, you will feel it grow and flow thru your persona.
                              It will overtake very quickly and swamp us with it's power.
                              It contains ENORMOUS POWER SPYING..
                              It is like a law is being changed and we are released from the effects of that old law..
                              i.e.
                              something like the sun standing still...
                              now....
                              there is a law ''against that'' hey?
                              BUT not with Messiah..
                              LAWS BEND TO HIM...
                              and so will laws BEND TO US as we are taught how to rule and reign in the POWER OF HIS PRESENCE. amen
                              The power to bend laws.
                              The power to calm the seas,
                              the power to calm a soul in pain.
                              Power to restore broken laws....


                              You have learned full well how to rule in weakness, while I am yet striving to submit in strength.
                              lucy says
                              like a coin with 2 sides. amen

                              Both are types of overcomers, and both are necessary to transform the Matrix.
                              lucy says
                              amen
                              to overcome or to be overcome.
                              the people in the Matrix have been overcome and are used as a battery to feed evil.
                              The overcomers have had the revelation, ''walk away flee, from your own slavery, and when your'e free you will be there for others.''


                              Why must the Matrix be transformed? Just as we are the glory and the outward manifestation of Messiah's inner transformation, the Matrix will be the outward manifestation of our inner transformation through Messiah Yahushua. Call it our glory if you will! Our canopy, our covering.

                              lucy says
                              I was eating lunch in a garden restaurant and i noticed that our car was under a huge leafy green outreaching tree= the branches overhead covered our car with green. I remembered that verse that said in S of S
                              1 v 16 ''Behold [ plz take special notice of] thou are fair [ Messiah thinks we are beautifull to Him] My Beloved [ His desire for us] yea pleasant, also our bed is green''
                              Spying
                              GREEN is the colour of RESURRECTION LIFE...
                              HE COVERS US, HIS BELOVED, WITH HIS OWN RESURRECTION LIFE. there is nothing better than this~!



                              It is also our destiny. It is ordained:
                              lucy says
                              He teaches us our destiny, it is His plan over our lives for what ever reason? He will show us the things He wishes us to accomplish.

                              This will be accomplished by the spiritual Man who is both male and female. This is only fitting. If we cannot rule over the Matrix, what right do we have to rule over the Universe?
                              lucy says
                              yes agreed


                              I am sorry Mr. Smith!
                              Lucy is bringing you to light as no other can bring you into the light, and Neo (the spiritual WOMAN) will gladly take your power and authority and begin to reign as you flee from our love towards each other and towards Messiah Yahushua, a love that you greatly fear.

                              lucy says humbly...
                              the Love Messiah has placed in our hearts, will move evil away.
                              It is agape Love that is why~! Evil cannot be where joy belongs.
                              I have found NO evil can dwell for long in harmony.
                              That is why the devil tries to create so much disharmony.
                              BTW
                              HARMONY can come when the 2 sides of our brain work in unison.
                              If we play Classical Music like Mozart etc... for some reason the beat OF these TUNES shall bring our brain into full union. Some people play this type of music when they study for it makes them remember their studies at test time.
                              I have read of experiements that play classical music on people who were learning french.
                              They were all ages from 8yrs to 80yrs and it was a lesson for 1/2 hrs.
                              At the end of this time each person was tested and it was found all remember their french lesson perfectly.
                              A WEEK LATER they were tested again, and all still knew their lesson not one failed.
                              I just mentioned this here, so we can understand Harmony in the natural... to compare how much more it will reap when we sow to the SPIRITUAL amen.
                              There are also lessons we can use to create harmony within our house.. i.e. we never place a chair with its back to glass doors or opened windows.. this creates DISHARMONY in the people who will sit in that seat, cuz, they sub-consciously dont know who will come up behind them. It is best to place a seat infront of opened doors or windows...
                              There are heaps of things we can do to create harmony in our homes in the natural....now.. what of our spiritual temple/home.


                              You molested and raped our first mother, Eve.
                              lucy says
                              yes...this is Truth

                              You raped our spiritual Mother, Messiah Yahushua, and now you know longer possess seed.
                              lucy says
                              again YES..too much raping and not enough loving,
                              to rape is an act to hurt something that is NOT ours.


                              So, your power is an illusion, but ours is not.
                              lucy says
                              i love this revealing Spying... can we explore this some more plx.

                              We possess your seed and like the Matrix, it is being transformed in us by us right now.
                              lucy says
                              AMEN....
                              Currahee!
                              **************************************************
                              BTW
                              i know nothing about blood pressure... does it go up and down each day? and what makes it swing like that?
                              i shall choose 2 songs Spying and this shall be my daily BP reading...
                              i love no 153... and i will go and choose another...
                              Sincerely, Ab 157/84
                              cont.
                              ps I thought it was interesting Phil Mickelson DONNED THE GREEN JACKET TODAY...
                              THE name Mickelson is ''that i may increase, and I may be good''.
                              Last edited by LucySmith; 04-09-2006, 09:56 PM.

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