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  • Logistics of the Exodus= How good is your math? welcome !

    Welcome and Special Greetings
    to all those ''faithful'' 613 law abiding bible believers..... the '' ITS GOD'S WORD group
    welcome welcome welcome to.....


    Logistics of the Exodus
    How good is your math?
    How good is your reasoning abilities.?

    "One of the biggest arithmetical miracles in the world: so lets go Law Abiders....into LOGISTICS.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    SOME VERY SMART BIBLE LOGISTICAL MINDS have discovered some facts that will make us learned and wise people go
    '''hmmmm''
    and wonder over the whole Moses adventure into the wilderness caring and sharing himself with 2-6 million ex-slaves
    [ THE Hebrew population #s figured out from 400years of breeding]
    ''hmmmm''
    the facts presented to us is
    The slaves who were busted from over work poor food and continual torture from their Egyptian Master -got together in 1 night and rushed off into the dessert
    Now those feisty Egyptians Master never wrote a word about this experience even when the Egyptians were meticulous for record keeping and lost 1/3 of their population
    so it was estimated.
    ''hmmmmm''
    well
    but lets continue
    cross the red sea at night loaded with the spoils of Egypt
    ''hmmmmm''
    At God's command, Moses held his staff out over the water, and throughout the night a strong east wind divided the sea, and the Israelites walked through on dry land with a wall of water on either side.
    well dear Law Abiders imagine that the moon must have been very bright that night - because
    . if they went on a narrow path, double file, the line would be 800 miles long and would require 35 days and nights to get through.
    So, in 1 night to cross
    - there had to be a space in the Red Sea, 3 miles wide so that they could walk 5,000 abreast to get over in one night.

    wow really that is some Logistics.
    ''hmmmmm''

    interesting hey????
    cont



    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
    THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
    - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
    - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
    This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

  • #2
    welcome
    to all law Abiders and bible Believers
    be of Good Cheer = Lucy is here to tell of Moses and O.T. Logistics
    ''hmmmmm''cont we now find
    first is the size of this "army" (Exodus 12:41 - hosts meaning army.
    Also Exodus 12:37 where the men are called gevoriym, or warriors) compared to the size of Pharaohs army of 600 chariots (Exodus 14:7), which brought fear to the Israelites.
    How could 600 chariots be considered a threat to 600,000 warriors of Israel?
    i ask this ?
    do you feel slaves are ''warriors''? or even look like warriors?
    i must admit any representation of slaves i have seen- i admit - NONE LOOK LIKE WARRIORS.
    ok
    now these people are over the Red Sea and need to be fed.
    WELL we understand they ate manna.
    so how much ''mamma' was needed as these people'require a lot of food.

    i looked up some stats and found this one.
    According to the Quartermaster General in the Army,
    [ i guess he would know]
    it is reported that Moses would have to have 1,500 tons of food each day.
    Do you know that to bring that much food each day, two freight trains each a mile long would be required!
    1,500 TONS of manna for each day.
    then there was water
    According to the Quartermaster General in the Army,
    [ i guess he would know]
    If they only had enough to drink and wash a few dishes, it would take 11,000,000 gallons each day, and a freight train with tank cars 1,800 miles long, just to bring water!
    'hmmmm''
    thank Goodness Moses banged the rock a few times hey' - and died for his disobedience
    [cannot win them all]
    cont
    so each day we find 1,500 tons of manna was needed and 11 million gallons of water
    ''hmmmm''




    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
    THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
    - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
    - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
    This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

    Comment


    • #3
      Welcome Law Abiders AND bible believers
      to Lucy's tell all...
      welcome one and all
      Click image for larger version  Name:	shalom.png Views:	0 Size:	202.0 KB ID:	62960

      i had to be advised by dear Jeff as I am not personally up on Latrines
      however
      a rather ''stinky'' matter. that needs our undivided attention
      PLEASE.
      HOLD YOUR NOSES
      Another problem is the location of the Latrine.
      RSV Deuteronomy 23:12,13
      "You shall have a place outside the camp and you shall go out to it; and you shall have a stick with your weapons; and when you sit down outside, you shall dig a hole with it, and turn back and cover up your excrement.
      A camp of this size would be approximately five miles by five miles square assuming only 1,000 square feet per family.
      One located outside this camp would require a hike of 2.5 miles to use the restroom.
      would you like to re-read these LOGISTICS....BIBLE BELIEVERS.

      ohhhhhhhhh,,,,
      Each time they camped at the end of the day, a campground two-thirds the size of the state of Rhode Island was required
      or
      a total of 750 square miles long, think of it!
      This space just for nightly camping.
      ''hmmmmm''

      cont
      THE disguise comes before THE deception
      What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
      THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
      - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
      - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
      This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

      Comment


      • #4
        WELCOME TO 1 AND ALL

        sometimes it is good to step back, look at the O.T. bible story presented and then go
        ''''hmmmmm''
        and become WISE AND THEN
        UN-INDOCTRINATED.
        and this MEANS
        UN-''DOCTOR''-ED.

        CAN YOU BECOME UN-DOCTORED OR are you a rusted on law abider?

        PUT YOURSELF in the camp of Moses. AND THEN come back to 2020ad
        ask -are you stupid is as stupid does.
        yes/no/maybe?


        The glamorized and romanticized picture that Hollywood and the Church paints of the ancient Israelites are misleading at best.
        Throughout the Old Testament there are fantastic tales of God Yahwehs' [many gods] performing great and wondrous miracles before the very eyes of the Hebrew people
        drum roll watch
        and yet they constantly reject this visible demonstration of God's Yahs power and prefer to worship idols.

        We can only conclude one of two things from these accounts: either the Hebrew people were an incredibly stupid people or these tales of great and wondrous miracles are just a lot of hokum?
        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


        going back to the passover commentary of the O T
        how was such a thing possible?
        what?
        this Passover took place in 1 day

        the Yah's tell Moses and Aaron:

        "Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel,"
        giving them life-and-death orders and minute Passover cooking instructions, which they must perform that same day "in the evening" in order to escape the massacre of the first-born.
        really?
        Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and repeated the instructions to them.
        There were no telephones or radio broadcasting plants in those days to help disseminate this order in all its details to the head of every family of Israel, scattered throughout Egypt, or Goshen, or the Delta, or wherever they were, so that they might pick out 241 ,42o lambs
        two hundred thousand lambs
        really?

        LISTEN'-if they were slaves - where did the lambs come from?
        [ maybe stolen from the Egyptians]

        how would people round up all these unblemished lambs so fast?
        kill 241,420 first-year male lambs without blemish,
        the kill and cook them, according to entirely new recipes
        Then put the blood, on the door posts,
        so when the Yah's see the blood
        "when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

        " How these fateful orders were ever delivered "unto all the congregation of Israel" in that fraction of a day Yahwehs only knows, as it is not revealed unto us in his Holy Word.


        THE disguise comes before THE deception
        What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
        THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
        - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
        - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
        This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

        Comment


        • #5
          GREETINGS
          FINE AND DANDY LAW ABIDERS AND LOVERS OF MOSES LAWS
          ''hmmmm''
          next issue
          CONSIDER OR maybe reconsider a bible story

          THE MARCHING ORDERS

          But this is not all of this bit of Scripture, given for our instruction.
          That same night "at midnight Yahweh's smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, and the firstborn of the cattle," of the Egyptians (Ex. 12: 29 ),
          see all this smoting going on....
          yet we find
          what?
          these same cattle had already been killed by each of several prior plagues: "all the cattle of Egypt died" of the murrain (Ex, 9: 6 );
          then these dead cattle had boils (9: 9 );
          then they were all killed over again by the hail (9: 25 ).

          maybe cattle is not lambs are lambs cattle?
          cont
          As soon as the royal leave was thus granted to Moses, after midnight, he must at once get the marching orders to the scattered millions of Israel.
          These were in their respective homes throughout the land, dressed and ready,
          in "watchful waiting" for they knew not what as yet, since it could not be known what effect the massacre of the first-born would have upon the Pharaoh; and the people were under strict command: "And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning."
          ''hmmmm''
          But in some strange and unrevealed way, whether by miracle or telepathy, the divine command through Moses to all the millions of Israel went broadcast (the second time in one day) to borrow" all the clothes and jewellery they could, and to "spoil the Egyptians" (12: 36 ); after which they should all mobilize immediately at the great city Rameses.

          So that self-same day, somehow, all the hosts of Israel, 2,414,200 of them, with "their dough before it was leavened, their kneading- troughs being bound up in their clothes upon their shoulders" (12: 34 ), their plunder, their old and decrepit, their babes and sucklings, their sick and infirm, their women in confinement and childbirth (for in such a population there are scores of births every hour, and the inspired word tells us that "the Hebrew women are lively" in this) -- the whole mixed multitudeAs soon as the royal leave was thus granted to Moses, after midnight, he must at once get the marching orders to the scattered millions of Israel. These were in their respective homes throughout the land, dressed and ready, in "watchful waiting" for they knew not what as yet, since it could not be known what effect the massacre of the first-born would have upon the Pharaoh; and the people were under strict command: "And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning." But in some strange and unrevealed way, whether by miracle or telepathy, the divine command through Moses to all the millions of Israel went broadcast (the second time in one day) to borrow" all the clothes and jewellery they could, and to "spoil the Egyptians" (12: 36 ); after which they should all mobilize immediately at the great city Rameses. So that self-same day, somehow, all the hosts of Israel, 2,414,200 of them, with "their dough before it was leavened, their kneading- troughs being bound up in their clothes upon their shoulders" (12: 34 ), their plunder, their old and decrepit, their babes and sucklings, their sick and infirm, their women in confinement and childbirth (for in such a population there are scores of births every hour, and the inspired word tells us that "the Hebrew women are lively" in this) -- the whole mixed multitude, driving with them their "flocks and herds, even very much cattle, there was not an hoof left behind," at the divine command, began the world's greatest one-day feat.

          at the divine command, began the world's greatest one-day feat.

          hurrah'
          its a miracle or man made up by those lying scribes.
          what you think Mr and Mrs indoctrinated person?


          wait relook
          relook
          ''driving with them their "flocks and herds, even very much cattle, there was not an hoof left behind,"
          i thought the plagues killed them all many times.

          CONT

          ps script writers - rewrite over your CON-tradictions about the cattle.
          THE disguise comes before THE deception
          What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
          THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
          - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
          - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
          This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

          Comment


          • #6
            welcome DEAR MOSES LAW ABIDING pew people
            WELCOME to Lucy's show and tell

            now i wish you all to enjoy this next story line
            ready pew people?

            FOOD RIOTS-HEAVENLY MANNA plus those QUAILS

            As for human food and cattle-feed, this mystery of the ages has never been satisfactorily solved by revelation or speculation.
            did you ever get to study QUAILS.
            now i know it is not a thrilling topic but i tell you now - quails are a sensational BBL subject
            yes bros and Sis.... wait for it OK

            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

            FOOD RIOTS-HEAVENLY MANNA AND QUAILS

            The children of Israel started out, as we have seen, with only a little unleavened dough, "neither had they prepared for themselves any victual" (Ex. 12: 39 )
            and of course they carried no cattle- feed.

            One naturally wonders what they and their cattle had to eat until "on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departing out of Egypt" they reached the wilderness of Sin (Ex. 16 ),
            Here was their first recorded food riot; the whole congregation rebelled, crying

            :
            "Would to God we had died by the hand of Yahweh in Egypt, when we did sit by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger" (16: 3 )!
            really
            ''hmmmm''
            It is curious that they should die with hunger when they had at least 2,414,200 sheep and "very much cattle" along with them.
            relook please at this exposing'
            t is curious that they should die with hunger when they had at least 2,414,200 sheep and "very much cattle" along with them.
            relook please at this exposing'
            t is curious that they should die with hunger when they had at least 2,414,200 sheep and "very much cattle" along with them.
            relook please at this exposing'

            And it is truly a marvel, when the Chosen had started out with only a little dough on their shoulders, quickly consumed raw,
            and then
            for forty years were complaining and rioting because they had no bread to eat,
            ask
            where did they ever get the tons of "fine flour" with which to make the famous "shewbread" for the altar of Yahweh
            , and
            the untold amounts of "unleavened bread" which they must eat in their feasts,
            and
            the "fine flour" they were required to offer with their countless sacrifices; to say nothing of the great quantities of oil accompanying them, or of the millions of animals and birds for the manifold and interminable sacrifices which they are said to have made all through the forty years in the wilderness.

            where did they get the flour from
            ''hmmmm''
            This danger of starvation in the presence of several million sheep and cattle,
            unless, indeed, the poor beasts were so starved themselves as to be not fit to eat.

            And Moses explicitly had these cattle in mind; for when Yaheh gods promised him flesh for the children of Israel to eat, he reasoned thus with Yahweh:
            "The people, among whom I am, are six hundred thousand footmen; and thou hast said, I will give them flesh, that they may eat a whole month. Shall the flocks and the herds be slain for them, to suffice them? or shall all the fish of the sea be gathered together for them, to suffice them?" (Num. 11: 21, 22 )
            To starve to death under such circumstances! And "the anger of Yahveh was kindled greatly"; and he graciously promised:
            "Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days; But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you" (Sum. 11: 19, 20 )!


            So, in his loving-kindness and bounteous providence, Yahwehs provided a quail feast on prodigious scale; for "there went forth a wind from Yahweh, and brought quails from the sea" (perhaps flying-fish, for sea-quail are not known on the market, at least in these days); and note this: those quails fell and were stacked up on the face of the earth "as it were a day's journey round about the camp, and as it were two cubits high upon the face of the earth" (Num. 11: 31 )!

            This simple inspired narrative, related in one Bible verse, and about which I never Heard a single sermon in my life, is the most stupendous miracle of Divine bounty in all sacred history, and challenges our admiring attention.





            Last edited by LucySmith; 06-25-2020, 04:06 AM.
            THE disguise comes before THE deception
            What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
            THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
            - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
            - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
            This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

            Comment


            • #7
              welcome and Saloms to
              all Law Abiders and lovers of the 613 laws of Moses.

              .
              an interesting QUAIL TALE.
              Let us figure a bit on this astonishing fall of quails, and see how far figures, which do not lie, may be an aid, or a handicap, to faith.
              the stats are
              The quails were stacked up "two cubits high" for a distance of "a day's journey round the camp."

              A Bible cubit is 22 inches; two cubits are therefore 44 inches.
              A biblical "day's journey," according to the Jewish Encyclopedia, is 44,815 meters or 27.8 miles
              Now, the camp of Israel is twelve miles square.
              it would be crowded, with about 16,800 persons to the square mile;


              Around this camp, twelve miles square, on all its four sides, lay heaped these miraculous quails, piled 44 inches high.

              Assuming, that this stack of quails began close to the four sides of the camp and extended for 27.8 miles in every direction, we have a solid square of quails measuring from one outer edge to another 67.6 miles,

              The solid mass therefore covered 4569.76 square miles,
              This stack of quails thus covered an area by 500 square miles larger than the whole states of Delaware and Rhode Island, plus the city of Greater New York!

              Such is the bounty of Yahweh,

              so, each quail occupying 27 cubic inches of space, with 64 quails to the cubic foot, the total would be 452,404,727,808 cubic feet of quails.

              A bit of ready reckoning, on this conservative basis, gives us just 28,953,902,579,712 quails in this divine prodigy of a pot-hunt!

              EverY soul of the 2,414,200 of the "hosts of Yahweh" therefore had the liberal allowance of 11,993,167 quails.

              We can well believe, if the Children of Israel had to eat so many quails, even in "a whole month," that, as Yahweh promised or threatened, they would "come out at your nostrils and be loathsome to-you!"


              It was a prodigious task to harvest all those quails; indeed, inspiration tells us
              , "the people stood up all that day, and all that night, and all the next day, and they gathered the quails: ... and they spread them all abroad for themselves round about the camp" (Num. 11: 32 ).
              This must mean all around within the camp; for the quails were already spread abroad for 67.6 miles "round about the camp" outside.

              Oh where they put the feathers and "cleanings," is another holy wonder-

              And it is curious where the 2,414,200 Israelites stood to be able to get at the quail-picking;
              and how each person could gather up 11,993,167 quails in 36 hours,
              each one, to pick up 335,366 quails per hour,
              or
              pick up 5589 quails ever minute,
              leaving them no time
              to carry the quails the average 28-miles into camp
              to spread them abroad,
              and no time to eat, or sleep,
              or sacrifice, or die,
              which over 1700 a day did,
              or to bury their dead, or
              to be born, as the comparison of the two censuses shows 1700 a day were,
              or for any other of the daily necessities of camp-life.

              ''hmmmm''


              i told you QUAILS are inspirational.
              hEY especially when sincere bible students and BIBLE BASED experts START TO USE DIVINE WISDOM UPON ANCIENT stories
              Last edited by LucySmith; 06-25-2020, 04:00 AM.
              THE disguise comes before THE deception
              What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
              THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
              - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
              - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
              This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

              Comment


              • #8
                Shalom
                Shalom
                Shaloms
                to all the law abiding crowd
                many many greetings to all
                I PERSONALLY so DISLIKE THIS WORD ''SHALOM'' but that is by the by
                i post this word to please the law keepers....SHALOM
                so
                i wish to tell you good pew people about THE TENTS OF THE HEBREWS,.
                really
                so few PEW people think on THE TENT found in the O.T., the tent in the wilderness
                THE TENT mentioned in the O.T are never NOTICED AS AN INTERESTING FACT.
                so
                WHEN these learned men wrote about THE TENT- to the uneducated plebs - never thinking in 3000+ years many bible experts would SPOT THE TENT and go
                WOOOOWWWOOOO
                the tent fact or fiction
                lets decide hey



                In Egypt the Chosen, though slaves, lived in houses:
                ofcourse they escaped the Passover massacre by smearing blood on the "door posts of their houses";
                the Egyptians, being highly civilized, with great cities, lived also in houses, not in tents.

                Yet we find the 2,414,200 Chosen, from Succoth on through the forty years' journey, encamped in tents;
                scores of times these tents are mentioned in the sacred texts.

                We will inspect these tents with the eyes of faith.


                The encampment of spreading tents must have presented a beautiful and impressive spectacle, for, when he saw it
                , "Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding in his tents according to their tribes; and said:
                "How goodly are thy tents, O Jacob, and thy tabernacles, O Israel!
                As the valleys are they spread forth, as gardens by the river's side, as the trees of lign aloes, ... and as cedar trees beside the waters" (Num. 24: 2-6 ).
                But this record of the encampment of tents flatly contradicts another inspired text, which is the foundation of one of the great sacred festivals of the Chosen even to this day,
                the Feast of Tabernacles,
                a little later instituted (Lev. 23: 40-43 ) by Yahweh himself.

                Here Moses commands the Chosen to take, every year at harvest time,
                "boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brooks," wherewith to construct "booths"; and, says Yahweh,
                "ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites shall dwell in booths:
                That your generations may know that I made the Children of Israel to dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am Yahweh your God."
                The wastelands OF the wilderness "where no water is," could not, of course, afford trees such as these "goodly" ones, nor any trees at all, and certainly not trees enough to build "booths" for forty years for 2,414,200 Chosen People.
                ''hmmmmm'

                Ithey lived in tents.
                So for a moment we will consider these tents, and the holy camp, and several curious features connected with their encampments.
                MAJOR QUESTION
                Where did the Chosen get their tents, and how did they manage to lug them along on their flight out of Egypt?

                ''Hmmmmm''
                The inspired history tells us that they fled in such haste that they carried only unleavened dough and their kneading troughs bound up in their clothes on their shoulders, without even any victuals (Ex. 12: 39 ); t

                here is not a word about heavy and cumbersome tents.
                Tents are heavy, with canvas or hair-cloth, ropes, poles, and pegs;
                . But these tents of the Israelites must have been big family affairs, for men, women, and children to live in with decency and some degree of comfort, and they must have been very heavy.
                How did the Israelites carry them?
                But first, how did they get them?
                ''hmmmmm''
                As they lived in houses in Egypt, it would be remarkable if each family, awaiting marching orders for the promised land, which until a single day previously they had no premonition of, should have had a tent in the garret.


                ''hmmmmm''
                And how many tents must they have had?
                To crowd indecently ten persons, male and female, old and young, sick and dying, into each tent would have required at least 241,420 large and heavy tents, to be lugged in their first flight, and for forty years wandering in the wilderness.
                how many?
                241,420
                how many again
                241,420
                really
                ''hmmmm''

                We are nowhere told that the children of Israel had horses, or knew how to ride;
                it seems that 750 years later the Chosen could not ride horses even if they had had them, for Rab-shakeh offered them, on behalf of the King of Assyria, "two thousand horses, if thou be able on thy part to set riders upon them" (2 Kings 19: 23 ).
                And while it is said (Deut. 29: 5 ) that in the whole forty years "your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot," yet we are not told that tents were thus providentially preserved.
                How the clothes and shoes of the little children who started on the forty-year tramp sufficed for them as they grew larger, unless the clothes and shoes expanded along with their skins from year to year, has become an old joke.
                No such Providence is recorded as to the tents of Israel.
                ''hmmmmm''


                the tent cont


                THE disguise comes before THE deception
                What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

                Comment


                • #9
                  greetings to the Law abider
                  shalom and special hellos
                  BACK TO THE TENT

                  THIS BIBLE FACTS ARE SO SUPER INTERESTING
                  it thrills me to post on the TENTS.


                  As for their encampments, who shall justly estimate their size and extent, for a host of two and a half million people, with all their slaves and camp-followers, and with more than that number of sheep and cattle?
                  The question would be of no concern if it did not involve some further strains on faith.

                  Every one of the forty-two times the camp was pitched (Num. 33 ), there must be suitable space found for some 250,000 tents, laid out (Num. 2 ) regularly four-square around the holy tabernacle, after that was constructed, and with the necessary streets and passages, and proper spaces between the tents.

                  A man in a coffin occupies about twelve square feet, six feet by two.
                  Living people would not be packed in their tents like corpses or sardines;
                  - they must have at least, say, three times that space, thirty-six square feet or four square yards each.
                  A tent to house ten persons with minimum decency must occupy therefore an average of forty square yards.


                  ''hmmmm''

                  If the 241,420 such tents were set one against another, with no intervening space or separating streets, they would occupy over 1995 acres of ground; a little more than three square miles.

                  But the desert was vast, there was no need for such impossible crowding; ample room was available for seemly spacing of tents, for streets and areas, for the great central tabernacle and its court, and for the 22,000 Levites, not counted in the soldier-census, who must "pitch round about the tabernacle," as well as space for the rounding up of the millions of cattle.


                  These allowances for order, decency, and comfort would much extend the circuit of the camp, and make more reasonable the accepted estimate that "this encampment is computed to have formed a movable city of twelve miles square," or an area of 144 square miles, which is certainly modest for a population equal to that of Chicago, which covers 198 square miles. The tabernacle stood in the center, thus six miles from the outskirts of the camp in either direction.

                  camp life

                  So much for the lay-out of the sacred encampment.

                  Whenever a sacrifice of sin-offering was made by the priest, a daily and constant service,
                  "the skin of the bullock, and all his flesh, ... even the whole bullock shall he carry forth without the camp unto a clean place, where the ashes are poured out, and burn him on the wood with fire" (Lev. 4: 11, 12 ).
                  This was the personal chore of the priest himself, of whom there were three,
                  ''hmmmmm''
                  And there were thousands upon thousands of sacrifices, for every imaginable thing and occasion; and the carcasses and offal of the slaughtered cattle must always be taken
                  "without the camp" and burned, by these three poor priests, and Father Aaron was over 80 years old.
                  ''hmmmm''
                  So these chores would keep them going, time after time, six miles out and six miles back,
                  - lugging heavy and bloody carcasses and offal through the main streets of the camp,
                  - incessantly, and leave them no time for their holy, bloody sacrifices of myriads of animals, as described in Exodus 29, and all through Leviticus.
                  ''hmmmmm''
                  Moreover, the entire garbage, refuse, ashes, and filth of every kind of two and a half million people and millions of cattle must be constantly and with extreme care carried outside the camp, practically under the awful threat of annihilation;
                  "Yahweh. thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall thy camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee" (Deut. 23: 12-14 );
                  the trip to the JOHN
                  These inspired verses enshrine, for our admiration, material details: even the ordinary personal necessities of nature must be relieved "without the camp," and covered up by digging with a paddle (Deut. 23: 13 );

                  Just think for a moment, and then admire the strange providence of Yahweh:
                  two and a half millions of his Chosen People, old and young, sick and infirm, men, women, and children, trotting at all hours of day and night, from the central parts of the encampment some 12 miles out and back, to find a suitable spot "without the camp" to respond to their several toilet calls;
                  ''Hmmmmm''

                  Moreover, as Yahwehs gods got angry with his Chosen, whom he had repeatedly promised to bring into Canaan, and as he caused every one of them, except Joshua and Caleb, to die in the wilderness, there were on the average 1700 deaths and funerals per day for forty years,
                  - at the rate of 72 per hour,
                  - more than one for very minute of every day
                  - and all the corpses must also be carried "without the camp" for burial,
                  - an average of six miles going and returning.

                  And as the census taken at the end of the forty years shows but a slight decrease in numbers from that taken at the beginning, the entire host was renewed by a birth-rate of over one a minute for forty years; and all the debris must be lugged without the camp and disposed of.
                  Verily the Chosen had their troubles.
                  cont

                  well dear Law abiders - would like to have been there?
                  going to the John even was a real effort.

                  oh it was all shalom my dears simply shalom

                  THE disguise comes before THE deception
                  What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                  THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                  - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                  - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                  This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

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                  • #10
                    hello hello Dear Law abiders....
                    i have some interesting news we can wonder over....FUEL

                    FUEL

                    There is also the question of fires and fuel.

                    The myriads of sacrifices and burnt offerings at the tabernacle, besides the wasteful burning "without the camp" of practically entire animals, and that too when the children of Israel were straying and rioting for "flesh to eat," required many fires and hence much firewood.
                    Hmmmmmmm
                    ask the question
                    Where, there in the "waste howling wilderness," did they get so much fuel?

                    -- a burning question

                    nowhere answered by revelation.

                    In the Arabian wilderness at certain seasons, and always at night, when the fiery sun had set, the cold was fearfully intense;
                    - the Chosen must have been grievously beset to find firewood to keep themselves from freezing,
                    - and it is never once recorded that stove-wood was miraculously provided either to keep them warm or to cook manna, to say nothing of the big quail feast.

                    The inspired Word tells us much of the fires and of the ashes,
                    - but nothing about the immense forests which must have been required to supply a population like that of modern Chicago with firewood for heating, cooking, every day for forty years.

                    do you know where they got the fuel from
                    PLEASE TELL DEAR LAW ABIDERS....
                    cont

                    THE disguise comes before THE deception
                    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                    THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                    - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                    - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                    This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      shalom to all Law of Moses keepers
                      greetings and hello on this wonderful day My Saviour has made
                      I viewed the beautiful beach this morning as i drove to work and the AMAZING HANDIWORK OF ABBA
                      ... too awesome
                      I live in the most lovely place. john 10 v 10

                      hmmmmm I am so grateful amen

                      now back to man Moses and his 1 witness records.
                      BTW
                      i looked at my beautiful natural creation where i live and then i came to read this
                      - its all so grotesque so ugly so cruel
                      - the lamb suffers terrible pain and a very horrific death

                      SACRIFICES

                      blood lusting
                      Leviticus is almost wholly a code of most elaborate and burdensome regulations of priestcraft and bloody sacrifices.
                      One grows dizzy and nauseated in simply scanning the huge catalogue of
                      burnt-offerings,
                      meat-offerings,
                      peace-offerings,
                      sin-offerings,
                      trespass-offerings,
                      of superstitious and blood-reeking butchery, which fills these pages.
                      consider
                      Nearly every act of life and of death involved some propitiatory sacrifice,
                      thousands of them every day, on the behalf of more than two millions poor victims of their Yahweh gods.
                      Whole regiments of priests would seem to be required for these holy services.

                      How many priests does divine revelation afford us for these millions?

                      Three!
                      ''hmmmmm''


                      "Thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest's office: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death"
                      (Num. 3: 10 );


                      a murderous priestly monopoly in the Moses family, limited to Brother Aaron and his sons in perpetuity, under penalty of death.

                      These lambs and turtle-doves must be
                      slain,
                      cleaned,
                      washed,
                      burnt,
                      the blood smeared on the bloody holy altar, and the offal and feathers "carried without the camp" (Lev. 1: 10-17 ),
                      twelve miles there and back.
                      now lets consider the logistics here
                      If Aaron and his two sons worked like Trojans every second of their time, day and night,
                      - without stopping to eat or sleep, and took only five minutes for each of these elaborate bloody ceremonies, three going on unceremoniously at the same time,
                      - they could perform only 36 sacrifices in an hour
                      - 864 in all the twenty-four hours of the day
                      ''hmmmmm''

                      . The Israelites did not carry bird- cages containing turtle-doves in their hasty flight from Egypt,
                      - no miracle of grace, blowing pigeons into camp like the quails, is recorded in sacred Scripture.

                      lets not go into the details; these 3 poor priests must have worked so fast and furiously at
                      killing,
                      skinning,
                      cleaning,
                      cutting up,
                      sprinkling blood
                      that the motions of their hands to the naked eye ,could not be followed

                      ''hmmmmm''
                      THE disguise comes before THE deception
                      What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                      THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                      - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                      - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                      This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

                      Comment


                      • #12

                        SHALOM SHALOM
                        LAW LOVERS AND ABIDERS
                        as you read through REPORTS from expert bible study findings on Moses - and the wilderness walk - TRUE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
                        U​​​​​​N-IN-DOCTRINATED can see it is NOT ''''ABBA'S WORD AT ALL.

                        TOO MUCH STUPIDITY
                        TOO MANY CONTRADICTIONS,

                        THE CLINCHER...................... sigh so few even notice because of religious misinformation AND they read but NEVER STUDY in-depth those verses out to discern the truth from the lying scribes.

                        [quote] Several of the Five Books abound with the provisions of the priestly code of sacrifices attributed to Moses in the wilderness, and are full of accounts of the manifold kinds of sacrifices made during the forty years in the wilderness.

                        But all this is denied by the later prophets

                        : "Thus said Yahweh Saboath, Elohe of Israel:
                        I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices" (Jer. 7: 21, 22 ); and a chorus of them join in this refrain:
                        "I hate, I despise your feast days; though ye offer me burnt sacrifices and meat offerings, I will not accept them"
                        (Amos 5: 21-26;
                        Hosea 8: 13;
                        Micah 6: 6, 7;
                        Isa. 1: 11, et seq.).


                        All this shows that Moses never received or wrote the laws attributed to him and did not write the Five Books which relate all these things; and it confirms the view that this elaborate and intricate code of sacrificial and ceremonial law was a late priestly invention, unheard of by Moses, impossible in the wilderness, and unknown in all the intervening history of Israel, have feasts
                        have sacrifices
                        kill harm torture pain suffering ABOUND

                        OH NO I DID NOT SAY TO DO THAT
                        oh- what a tangled web he weaves when he practices to deceive...
                        a very messy weird set of gods.
                        unspeakable evil
                        Last edited by LucySmith; 06-26-2020, 02:59 AM.
                        THE disguise comes before THE deception
                        What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                        THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                        - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                        - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                        This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          greetinga law abiders and holy rollers... those set in concrete and obey all 613 laws...
                          hello hello hello
                          so
                          did Moses actually write the 1st 5 books....
                          if Moses didnt who did?
                          hmmm
                          did you study to be approved.
                          If Moses didnt write any = why would Jesus say ''believe Moses''?
                          wwwooooo
                          are you thinking with your new mind????

                          did you study to be approved?
                          do you rightly divided this O T?
                          yes/no//maybe


                          Set aside what religious tradition says, and discover who wrote the Bible according to the expert scholars who have examined the actual evidence.
                          it is clear that Jesus cannot be appealed to in support of the traditional view of the nature of these old writings.

                          The common argument by which Messiah is made a witness to the authenticity and infallible authority of the Old Testament runs as follows:

                          Messiah quotes Moses as the author of this legislation; therefore Moses must have written the whole Pentateuch.
                          or
                          Moses was an inspired prophet; therefore all the teaching of the Pentateuch must be infallible.
                          the truth is
                          The facts are, that Jesus nowhere testifies that Moses wrote the whole of the Pentateuch; and that He nowhere guarantees the infallibility either of Moses or of the book.
                          On the contrary, He sets aside as inadequate or morally defective certain laws which in this book are ascribed to Moses.
                          the attempt to prove the inerrancy of the Old Testament by summoning as witnesses the writers of the New Testament may as well be abandoned.

                          But did not Messiah say, "
                          Search the Scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life, and they are they that testify of me?"
                          Well, if He had said that, it would not prove that the Scriptures they searched were errorless.
                          One may very profitably study documents which are far from infallible.
                          This was not, however, what our MESSIAH said. If you will look into your Revised Version you will see that His words, addressed to the Jews, are not a command but an assertion: "Ye search the Scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life" (John v.39);
                          if you searched them carefully you would find some testimony there concerning me.
                          It is not an injunction to search the Scriptures; it is simply the statement of the fact that the Jews to whom He was speaking did search the Scriptures, and searched them as many people in our own time do, to very little purpose.

                          hint hint to the Law abiders and bible idolators
                          THE disguise comes before THE deception
                          What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                          THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                          - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                          - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                          This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

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                          • #14
                            helo ;law abiders
                            greetings and Shalom

                            looking at the Saviour word of revelation to the jews
                            let us have clear insight here so none are misinformed

                            His words, addressed to the Jews, are not a command but an assertion
                            : "Ye search the Scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life"
                            (John v.39);
                            what does an assertion mean exactly
                            = a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief

                            if you searched them carefully you would find some testimony there concerning Me.
                            It is not an injunction to search the Scriptures;
                            what does an injunction mean
                            an authoritative warning or order.
                            it is simply the statement of the fact that the Jews to whom He was speaking
                            - who did search the Scriptures,
                            and
                            - in searching them [as many people in our own time do,] was to very little purpose.
                            hmmmmm
                            so
                            put all together Messiah said as a confident fact and warning to the Jews--- that to search the O.T. scriptures concerning HIM served little purpose.

                            did I not tell the 3 boys this fact....yes
                            they did not do their homework..... sigh
                            THE disguise comes before THE deception
                            What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                            THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                            - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                            - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                            This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Hello law abiders and “”shalom “”” greeters
                              simple understanding is——
                              do you realise that the Yahwehs gods of the OT were religious terrorists
                              yes/no?
                              do you Realise IT IS TIME to GET up from that SICK BED of religion and its TERROR Inc
                              the Mafia died in 70ad

                              THE disguise comes before THE deception
                              What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                              THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                              - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                              - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                              This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

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