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    After I studied Jesus' childhood years and his relationship to his mother and the rest of the members of his family. I'm puzzled on whether to make Jesus my role model. His life example of publicly dishonoring his own parents and especially his mother led me to study Jesus' doctrines on the treatment of parents in general. As it turns out, Jesus attitude about his parents is not based on HaTorah, or even on a liberal interpretation of it. It is a shame that after so many years after the events took place ALL the "gospel" writers got the same cue of disclosing Jesus attitude about his Jewish parents using about the same words. It seems that Jesus was giving parenthood and family life in general a very bad rap. I know that we can interpret the NT to make it say anything we want, but this time it is very hard to do it. If a religious leader would make today the same statements that Jesus is said to have made, he/she would be under constant FBI scrutiny.

    Matthew 10:34 (NIV) "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
    35 For I have come to turn "`a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
    36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'
    37 "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;


    Here we have the alleged "Prince of Peace" coming to bring war on Earth and in particular in the home, of all the places. A lot of wars were fought in the world in the name of Jesus, or Christianity for that matter. This is not what we have promised in the Tanakh! I'm looking all over the Scripture to find out what kind of fulfillment of any prophesy can this be. If HaMaschiach is supposed to bring war on Earth and in the home in particular I am sure that it must have been prophesied somewhere. Yahweh won't keep us in the dark about something as tragic as that. I found no place in the Tanakh that says that HaMaschiach brings an ongoing war that will kill millions upon millions of Jews and other people in the world, but an everlasting peace. If I read the prophets correctly, at the time of the messiah's coming there will be one big war to end all wars and that is about it. In any case, any prophecy must be fulfilled 100 per cent to be true. Is the recent destruction of over 6,000,000 Jews part of that war on Earth brought about specifically by Jesus? I don't think so. Daniel, among other prophets says that wars will go on to the end. So Jesus' prophecies about distress of nations and so on is an old cliché from the Tanakh. There were wars on before Jesus and we still have wars after Jesus, but we never had real peace.

    True prophecies are usually made in advance of the events, but not after. The "gospels" were written many years after most of the events recorded in them took place. Jesus is on record as being disrespectful to his parents so his teaching must be along the same line. He brought some war in his home. If HaMaschiach can't bring peace on Earth and in the home, then he must be an impostor and we must still wait for Yahweh to bring us salvation. We can't expect a man to save us, but Yahweh! He is our only salvation and he doesn't demand the price of a human sacrifice to do it, either. His anointed one will prosper in everything he will do, especially delivering peace (i.e. shalom). Our problem is that Yahweh promised to bring us plenty of peace and most of us reject his word. Jesus comes bringing war and everybody follows him because he promised to bring peace, too. Well, not everybody follows Jesus, only the Christians and Messianic Jews. Sadly, when Jesus came he didn't deliver peace, but only war.

    Psalms 37:37 * Consider the blameless, observe the upright; there is a future for the man of peace.

    Psalms 85:7 * Show us your unfailing love, O Yahweh, and grant us your salvation.
    8 I will listen to what Elohim Yahweh will say; he promises peace to his people, his saints
    -- but let them not return to folly.
    9 Surely his salvation is near those who fear him, that his glory may dwell in our land.
    10 Love and faithfulness meet together; righteousness and peace kiss each other.

    Proverbs 16:7 * When a man's ways are pleasing to Yahweh, he makes even his enemies live at peace with him.
    (BTW, this is certainly not what Jesus was teaching, but all the opposite! In fact, it is obvious that Jesus was not giving the home front any hope of peace unless they recant HaTorah and join the anomian Christian religion. At the time the "gospels" were written the Christian religion was in full swing. So it was easy for the "gospel" writers to make the rules to accommodate their newly created religion.)

    Isaiah 26:1 * In that day this song will be sung in the land of Judah: We have a strong city; Elohim makes salvation its walls and ramparts.
    2 Open the gates that the righteous nation may enter, the nation that keeps faith.
    3 You will keep in perfect peace him whose mind is steadfast, because he trusts in you.

    Jeremiah 33:6 * "`Nevertheless, I will bring health and healing to it; I will heal my people and will let them enjoy abundant peace and security.
    7 I will bring Judah and Israel back from captivity and will rebuild them as they were before.
    8 I will cleanse them from all the sin they have committed against me and will forgive all their sins of rebellion against me.
    9 Then this city will bring me renown, joy, praise and honor before all nations on earth that hear of all the good things I do for it; and they will be in awe and will tremble at the abundant prosperity and peace I provide for it.'


    OK, so Jesus brought some healing samples with him, but what about PEACE? The real Messiah will bring both, and security, too! Jesus said to have come to bring war! Nowhere is it prophesied that HaMaschiach will bring a new ongoing war on Earth and in the home like there was no war in the home already. To a greater or lesser degree every home has a little war going on periodically. We know how to war at home, but we want peace, forever! So to say that "I came to bring war in the home" is no big deal. I imagine that this story is also made up by the early church fathers to justify the braking up of homes on account of Christianity. It certainly helps to prophesy years later that this was going to happen.

    Matthew 15:4 (NIV) For God said, `Honor your father and mother' and `Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
    5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, `Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,'
    6 he is not to `honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.


    Now Jesus goes on to preach attacking the Pharisees for misinterpreting HaTorah, and yet Jesus himself is the number one offender of the same attacks he levied on them. When Jesus' mother came calling him out of a meeting, he disobeyed that call and disassociated himself from her own mother giving the whole event a religious twist in saying that it is more important to be with Jesus "doing the Father's will" than obeying one's own parents. So Jesus feels that he can scorn the call of his mother because he is teaching his followers that… "Whatever help my mother might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God…" so I cannot be interrupted now because I'm doing my Father's business. How can I possible interrupt doing that to obey your call, woman? Oh and BTW, I'm disassociating myself from you my mother and the rest of my family, too… just in case… I'm adapting a new family here right now… and so on it goes…

    As you all can tell, I'm applying here the same exegesis that I, and anyone else go to Bible school to learn. It is all within the context. Old Shep and any other Christian apologist can verify my statements. I want to make sure I'm not inventing something new in all this. My conscience wouldn't bear that! So, any comment is welcome! BTW, I am not just saying that Jesus is sinning (i.e. transgressing HaTorah), I'm presenting proves of it! But, relax! I also believe that a real observant Jew pretending to be HaMaschiach wouldn't possibly be teaching anything like that unless he was an outright scum! I don't want to be caught condemning the righteous with the wicked!

    Matthew 10:34 (NIV) "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
    35 For I have come to turn "`a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
    36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
    '
    37 "Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthof me;


    In the final analysis I can't square the above statement of Jesus with the prophet Malakiah… So we can look at Jesus as a big business opportunity around Christmas, Easter, and throughout the year, and that is about it. The real HaMaschiach will not declare war in the home, but he will restore harmony in the home...

    Malakiah 4:4 * "Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.
    5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of Yahweh comes.
    6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
    "...and the truth will set you free."--Jesus Christ

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    Shalom Stranger. How I wish that the past would have been filled with more people like us, who are willing to defend the house of Yahudah with the truth that the tanakh holds. Christianity presents JEWs with a messiah who seems unable to bring a blessing to them or as you have observed, any peace for them, at all. I've noticed that my pile of stones that I've gathered to throw at christianity and it's teachings are about to cover me. What would the fate of JEWs have been if christianity had not existed? I'm happy to find that the house of Yahudah has some friends who will not run from the battle. I'm convinced that the holocaust would not have happened if christians had not assaulted the name of the JEWish soul and defiled it. First they murder the name and then they murder the people. My own strenth was the ability to walk away from my own salvation for those I love. This freed me from the doctrines of the christians. I am now able to question freely all the words that once bound me. The truth has truly set me free. I love defending the JEWish soul. When my messiah comes, he will be a blessing to the chosen people and will bring them peace. Until this happens, I have to await his arrival. I'm really glad to find out that there are many people like myself who are willing to stand between this oppressed people and their enemies. YHWH bless you for having this strenth also. ----Michael

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    • #3
      I am with you Thummim and Stranger.

      The Hebrew Scriptures tell us that the Messiah will come from the tribe of Yahudah through the line of David. The Hebrew Scriptures also tell us that the father is the determining factor as to which tribe someone belongs.

      The Greek Scriptures in Matthew 1:1-16 show the geneology of Joseph as being from the tribe of Yahudah through David. However, in verse 18 it tells us that Iesous was not fathered by Joseph, but by the Holy Spirit. Therefore Iesous is not from the tribe of Yahudah through the line of David and cannot be the promised messiah of the Hebrew Scriptures.



      Sandy

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      • #4
        I need to clarify what I said in my post.
        In any case, any prophecy must be fulfilled 100 per cent to be true. Is the recent destruction of over 6,000,000 Jews part of that war on Earth brought about specifically by Jesus? I don't think so.
        The holocaust was inflicted by Christians to Jews. Jesus never ever prophesied that his Christian followers will do that to Jews. He prophesied that "For I have come to turn "`a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-- a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'" All this in the Jewish home. This prophecy was based on a statement made by the prophet Micah that seems to have been an ongoing event in his days. If it were a prophecy then Jesus is part of its fulfillment, too. He dishonored his parents more than once. Actually, Jesus changed the wording of Micah's statement to make it say something else. He added a little spike to it, too.

        Micah 7:6 * For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-- a man's enemies are the members of his own household.

        Matthew 10:21 (NIV) "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.

        Some Christian prophetic ministries say that Jesus' "prophecy" is still in the future. So they are really looking forward to the day when the Jews will start fighting and even killing each other in their homes "before all Israel will be saved." Please don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that they will enjoy the pain and suffering that the fulfillment of this "prophecy" will cause among the Jews. I imagine that most Christians won't like it, but they'll be happy to see that Jesus' prophecy is being fulfilled, anyway.

        Along the same line, Jesus made another prophecy that was never fulfilled, but that the Christians say that it will be fulfilled someday soon.

        Matthew 10:17 (NIV) "Be on your guard against men (i.e. Jews); they will hand you over to the local councils and flog you in their synagogues…

        Here I want to show you that Jesus not only disassociated himself from his parents, but he also disassociated himself from all the Jews. He talks about the Jews as "they" "them" and "their." It seems that the "gospels" were written by non Jews many years after the death of Jesus. They felt that a backlash was coming and decided to do a bit of prophesying to help the cause. So if the anomial Christians are persecuted by the observant Jews, at least they can say that Jesus warned them about it. Since this prophecy of Jesus never really happened the Christians say that it is still in the future. So they are looking forward to its fulfillment, too.
        "...and the truth will set you free."--Jesus Christ

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        • #5
          I've stated it already, (jesus) is to tell YHWH's people that their warfare is over.[Isa.40:2] He instead tells them that "the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, and shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation." So when does one come to this people and tell them that their warfare is over? Has there ever been another faith more evil towards JEWs than christianity? Even molock didn't burn as many JEWish children as the christians did with there careless faith. It's hard to miss, in which light the NT portrays JEWs. As when Moses asked the people at the foot of Sinai, to choose either YHWH or their own path to walk in, so we have to either choose to be a blessing to this people or their curse. Christianity is their curse. No other faith has hurt them as much as christianity. Again, as I've stated before, I would not want to be christianity's JEW! ....Michael

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