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  • Intimacy!

    Hi Lady Lucy,

    Recently, I have had occasion to inquire concerning the true nature of intimacy. It has been explained to me that intimacy is only possible where empathy first takes place. This came to me from a brother who is a retired Marine. We do not often think of U.S. Marines having knowledge of intimacy!

    We both have been working to be empathetic with Messiah, that is, walk in his skin, in his footsteps because we know that Messiah has first been empathetic with us. Once empathy is fully established, intimacy is often the result. I am not going to relate here right now what I have grown to believe intimacy with ELOHIM truly means; rather, I do want to speak first a little about empathy.

    If Eve had been empathic towards ELOHIM, she would have gone to ELOHIM after her encounter with HaSatan, and she would have engaged in a series of questions designed to discover or understand the thinking of ELOHIM, much the same as HaSatan did with her. She would have asked, What is death, and how do you know that I will die? Then she would have repeated the process with HaSatan. With each encounter she would have honestly been seeking to understand their reasoning and motivation. After empathy has been established, judgment comes on the heels of intimacy (John 12:31).

    Messiah Yahushua has intimacy with ELOHIM and only ELOHIM!

    I recognize that you have demonstrated yourself to be empathic with me. You have honestly sought to answer my question. With all this in mind, I need to ask you a few questions concerning these statements:
    His blood legally covers my sin

    THEY OVERCAME SATAN [ the allowed ruler of this world] By the Blood of the Lamb[ The greatest sacrifice for sins of mankind]
    • How does Messiah's blood legally cover your sin?
    • How do we overcome HaSatan by the blood of Messiah?
    • How is the Blood of the Lamb the greatest sacrifice for the sins of mankind?


    Sincerely, Ab
    The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

  • #2
    I love your questions Spying...

    to all Truth seekers, we have to come out from our MUDDLED perception and BE GUIDED into all Truth
    Hebrews 9:22......without shedding of blood is no remission.
    Sin Requires Shedding of Blood~

    As I understand THE BLOOD situation is.................THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS, I AM JUSTIFIED, MADE RIGHTEOUS, JUST AS IF I'D NEVER SINNED.

    Romans 5:9 - "Much more than, now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him."



    Jesus had NO earthly father, He was born of a virgin.
    The human fetus, receives it's blood from the father's line, not the mother's. Jesus Blood was His Father's.
    This blood was innocient HOLY Blood, as He kept the law, each part of it,HE fulfilled it in fact~! therefore was sinless.
    He did not deserve Death, as only 'the guilty' died.
    Satan held death, But as an innocient man died, Jesus conquered Death and now has the keys to death and hell.[Rev 1.v.18]
    INNOCIENT = ETERNAL LIFE
    GUILTY OF SIN = DEATH.
    His death was one an an innocient man, and the Blood shed was FROM the PASSOVER LAMB, the same in type as Moses sacrificed, when, the people came out from Egypt.
    PASSOVER BY THE BLOOD of the Lamb from DEATH into LIFE.

    Not only does the blood of Jesus Christ bring cleansing to the body, but the Bible tells in Hebrews 9:14 that it will ...

    ''purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.''

    The Lord desires that all the evil in our hearts be purged so that we put-on the mind of Christ.
    Jesus was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and His death and shed blood paid the price for sin once and for all.

    No longer does an animal need to be offered for our sins.

    He was 'our-sacrifice' offering up His own life, carrying the PASSOVER BLOOD, = The Word of God cleanses and the blood of Jesus cleanses.
    When Jesus offered up His blood, He did it so that you and I could become clean, holy vessels.
    ''Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you...He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him''.

    (John 6:53 and 56).
    THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS, ALL MY SINS ARE FORGIVEN

    Ephesians 1: 7 - "In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace."

    THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS I AM SANCTIFIED, MADE HOLY, SET APART TO GOD.

    Hebrews 13:12 - "Wherefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered without the gate."



    ''In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
    Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all'' (Hebrews 10:6-9).

    THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS, I AM REDEEMED OUT OF THE HAND OF THE DEVIL

    Rev 12:11- "they (the believers on earth) overcame him (satan) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ), and by the word of their testimony." (That is, they testified to what the Word of God says about the blood of Jesus.)

    Psa1ms 107:2 - "Let the Redeemed of the Lord say so, whom He hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy."

    ----
    It is a mystery, for the Blood does all types of things in our own body as a cleansing agent, How much more, shall the innocient Blood of the Lamb of God do for us...If we have been partaking of Christ’s blood (abiding in His Spirit) and eating his flesh (assimilating His Word), we shall grow STRONG IN THE LORD, and IN, the power of His might, amen

    MY BODY IS A TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, REDEEMED, CLEANSED, BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS.
    I Corinthians 6:19-20 - "What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, which is in you. which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price; Therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."



    thru all of these understandings, i become INTIMATE with My Husband
    To me it is a process = of a lover woo-ing His sweetheart step by step.
    I found this in the Song of Songs, as the process began to the process ended ~!
    By faith I am now IN His care, Faith in what He says, develops IN me, His faith overtakes my doubts~! He provides for my lack~! He overcomes me, when i am sick, He heals my mind, from evil and replaces it with His own personal thinking. HE TRANSFORMS me... and for a visual experience of this spiritual happening, let us watch the movie ''My Fair Lady''.
    Father, will speak and explain His plans to us, in many ways, show us hard to understanding things, in a visible way, show us how to pass thru all evil and overcome In His strength only.

    amen, it is a divine mystery, likened to a play i feel sometimes called the 'survival of the spiritual-fitest'.
    In summation...
    I am His workmanship, He does the woo-ing and the calling out from.
    I am His workmanship, [Ps 110.v.1-4] it is all FROM HIM, that I receive my salvation, as HE re-progammes me into HIS IMAGE and out from my slavery to my own 'god' called adam-nature.
    I am a 'work in progress', being filled up to the brim, with the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.
    I can DO NOTHING, for myself.
    I cannot save myself,
    I cannot learn for myself,
    I cannot heal myself nor feed myself spiritual food..
    I HAVE TO BE surrended UP...
    I have to give UP my own life, that HE MAY LIVE thru me.
    I gave UP my religion, when I saw, I was powerless to give myself the LIFE I WANTED..... I SAW death, defeat, and useless destruction happening and i SAW, the cure~! thru revelation so that the gates of hell will not prevail over my life.
    He is my Alpha and my Omega... and IN His faith, I trust IN Him, to deliver me, from my worst enemy = me.

    amen.


    http://www.watchman.net/articles/enemies.html
    I liked this article.. it explains much.
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    also...
    i do believe there is another mystery, in the mystery of mysteries, that needs full understanding and revelation, [not from man,] but from Father, otherwise we shall never believe it...
    if we notice, there are 2 versions of creation~!
    In Gen. I... we have one version = the created male and female~! separated not joined.
    In Gen 2.... we are another version = the 'formed' one from the dust, containing male and female in one body, then dividing.

    Religious people say blah blah blah...i dont believe their blah... it needs REVELATION to understand.
    Last edited by LucySmith; 09-25-2005, 04:21 PM.

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    • #3
      A Courting HE Has Come!

      Hi Lady Lucy,

      Good evening to you, and thank you for the openness of your reply!

      I agree that we are engaged in a courting process with ELOHIM whereby ELOHIM does make us into the fair lady of HIS dreams. When ELOHIM looks at us, HE does not so much see what we are or what we have been; rather, ELOHIM sees what HE desires that we become (Romans 4:17). In my particular case, this is a wonder of wonders.

      It is according to the mercy and lovingkindness of ELOHIM that we both have been detached from the matrix of this evil age and world to serve ELOHIM and our other Brothers and Sisters who also will be set free from the false system which does presently imprison and enslave them.

      Desiring to be of help to them, we empathize with them in the exact same manner in which our great ELOHIM did empathize with us through our ADONAI YAHUSHUA MESSIAH. Who is this great ELOHIM and FATHER of us all? HE is that to whom we have come:
      Hebrews 12:22-23

      22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living ELOHIM, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
      23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to ELOHIM the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
      These perfect ones are the FATHER through Messiah Yahushua who has gathered them together into one. This is why ELOHIM is able to perfectly empathize with us. HE knows our previous matrix inside and out. HE knows it because HE designed it and subjected HIMSELF to it in order to duplicate or renew HIMSELF.

      What was the life blood of our previous Matrix? Deception, delusion, wanton pleasure, selfishness, accusation, condemnation, and the like.

      What is the life blood of our present Matrix?

      Lady Lucy, whenever I listen to you, I hear from you a great yearning to be fully free, a holy desire to be completely transformed into a just spirit made wholly perfect, and this desire meshes completely with my spirit. I want to follow you, and I desire to fight with you against our previous Matrix, but we cannot win against that evil Matrix without understanding that the life blood of that evil system has been fully shed or severed from and in us. When we are fully severed from that life blood, our sin goes into complete remission.

      Having been severed from the old Matrix through the death of Yahushua, now we are connected to a new Matrix established by Messiah Yahushua. It is the life blood of this new Matrix which makes us just! Again, what do you suppose that life blood is?

      The above analogy is not perfect. There are problems with it, but it helps me to understand you. I hope it helps you to understand me.

      Sincerely, Ab
      The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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      • #4
        ps..having a hard time, submitting post?????????

        I pray to uplift and edify where possible To the Glory Of Our Saviour.
        AMEN

        FROM your post Spying... we read.


        Quote:''Having been severed from the old Matrix through the death of Yahushua, now we are connected to a new Matrix established by Messiah Yahushua. It is the life blood of this new Matrix which makes us just! Again, what do you suppose that life blood is?''

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        I Have thought on your question myself many times Spying.

        what IS this LIFE-BLOOD.?
        THE NEW MATRIX = a realization we can be A NEW CREATURE, living free.
        The NEW MATRIX = freedom from everything we hate, not only about ourselves, but about everything that has some type of destroying feature within.
        There is a 2 parts to this quest, I feel.

        NO 1 clue
        Found in Ps 110 -1-4. I have used this scripture many times in my posts, as when I first 'saw' it. I KNEW, what it meant.

        We have a King,= That King, THEN draws His people UNTO Him, it is HE who does this work, so that these people become HIS TEMPLE, in the day of His power. These people are WILLING, BUT MADE WILLING, this is the company of overcomers mention in Revelation chapt,2/3.
        This group is a KINGDOM of priests, after the order of Melchizedek...this 'order' is the ORDER of endless life.
        This endless life, is connected to Roms 2.v.7.
        These people are those found in Song of Songs or the ''who-is-this'' people = LEANING UPON THE ARM OF THEIR BELOVED, AS TERRIBLE AS AN ARMY WITH BANNERS.

        No 2 clue

        Comes from ROMANS 8.........it is to be LIFE in the Spirit.

        conculsion So far is....
        we have to be MADE WILLING, to live out our lives on this earth, in the day of His power, IN LIFE in the Spirit, for this life is the REAL LIFE, [ and the life-blood for our justification ] and this whole world is a SECONDARY life-force, that contains the germ of death that covers most all men.

        WE CANNOT be 'in the flesh' and think we have found LIFE.
        that is a lie.
        LIFE can only be found IN THE SPIRIT.
        until we all realise this, we only have religion but NOT life.


        to live LIFE IN THE SPIRIT, is extraordinary difficult, for our flesh~! everything is screaming to us ''don't live there it is too risky''.
        BUT, our comfort is JESUS WALKED that way and look at HIM.
        THIS IS OUR VISION, our HOLDING ONTO ANCHOR, our end.
        THE SCRIPTURE THAT WILL HOLD US IS
        '' lean not on your own understanding''



        To me it is like, most men are mentally deformed, thinking they are adults, making grown up, mature decissions. THIS IS A LIE, all human beings are confronted with the Tree of Good and Evil AND DONT KNOW, HOW TO DEAL WITH IT, NOR ITS HORRIBLE EFFECTS from eating its cursed fruits.
        WE ARE STUPID, dull, dead, mad and filled with insanity to even think WE KNOW, how to handle this Tree.... BUT... one great exciting fact, THE TRUTH, is...
        human beings WERE MADE, to eat from the Tree of Life....all they have to do IS LEARN how to spit out THE effects of the Tree and Good and Evil and REJECT its fruit and then LEARN to EAT correctly under DIVINE SUPERVISION, the Holy fruit from the TREE OF LIFE, that we all were made for IN THE FIRST PLACE.

        example.
        I had to spend my day today, with a very moody person, [how i hate this evil in people,] however mood! mood! mood! was manifesting all over me and the day...
        what a croc.

        Well I prayed, and then I got an idea... i thought
        '' JESUS ,HOW WOULD LIKE TO BE WITH this WEIRD MOODY PERSON, this sunny day''?...
        WHY NOT SHOW ME HOW you will deal with them,Plz?''

        The next thing, i did was think '' i will praise the Lord, thank Him, for healing and all His work on the cross, and praise Him, and thank Him, cuz what I am witnessing is a LIE, cuz this world is A LIAR.''
        SO i DID,
        and suddenly i did not seem to notice this moody person, so much IT WAS IF.......... THEY FADED AWAY.... even their problem, seem to fade away, they became kinda invisible to my day and I was
        '' in HIM'' cuz I found my peace, and i was no longer getting moved on, by a shroud of evil.
        I THEN realised... I CANNOT HANDLE any good nor any evil but Christ can, and IF I move away, and allow HIM TO MANIFEST... i am no longer there BEING VOMITED ON...

        I was living in the Spirit...this has to be IMMORTAL'S LIFE BLOOD. this is what makes them Just for it is only in this spot, NO condemnantion occurs.

        Do u remember, at the end of the first Matrix film, Neo, was confronted by Mr Smith, BUT THIS TIME, he did not run away......... right there SPYING... RIGHT THERE.... in that spot...

        he was alive,
        for the very first time in his life,

        for he did not allow, that enemy to overcome him, but TURNED and overcame HIS ENEMY.
        ALL PEOPLE 'CALLED OUT', to be His temple cannot run any more from their enemy~! THEIR ENEMY has to turn and RUN FROM THEM.

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        • #5
          continued thinking.
          while i run with this thread of thought...


          Quoteo u remember, at the end of the first Matrix film, Neo, was confronted by Mr Smith, BUT THIS TIME, he did not run away......... right there SPYING... RIGHT THERE.... in that spot...

          he was alive,
          for the very first time in his life,




          THIS IS THE EXACT PLACE, where he BECAME a ''quickened'' Spirit.

          he was able to turn the tables, and the enemy ran backwards....scared~!
          Spying.
          I can see... WE ARE TO BE REVERSED BACKWARDS = back into OUR FIRST ESTATE, from whenced we fell.
          back into EATING, from the Tree of LIFE ONLY.
          BACK into our created position = meaning always able to follow Father, and NOT rebel over HIS JUST INSTRUCTIONS~! thats the place where there is now, no condemnation.

          now... Plz go back to the first part of the film [the Matrix no,1] AT THE VERY BEGINNING, we see Trinity, 'captured' by the 2 squads of Police... but.... she kills them all.... did you notice how fast she ran, how quick she was.... supernaturally so. RIGHT THERE... I saw... Trinity lived OUTSIDE OF TIME, she had passed out from time in this world, into timelessness in THE REAL WORLD, where evil was a VICTIM not a VICTOR.

          That is what His temple has to be Spying A VICTOR~! and NO longer a victim. Only this can be so, as we are trained up to overcome the tree of good and evil, and sit under the instructions from the Tree of Life = OUR REAL WORLD.

          Thats what immortals do, they can pass to and fro, from time into no-time...
          WORTHY TO ESCAPE, is not flying off into a heaven someplace,
          to escape means... to escape ALL THE EFFECTS of the fall.
          The trouble is
          WE HAVE ALL FORGOTTEN who we really are... we are like some computer, a hacker, hacked and it spews out wrong information.
          It is Time, to return to our first LOVE, and begin to understand everything called THE TRUTH, rather than sit like some pawn, being devoured by a host that considers us as it's battery.
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          THE 'RE' WORD.........

          I re-membered this morning a study i did last Nov 2004 on
          RE......... words.
          here is part of it.......

          Quote:'''re'''' infront of a word is called a prefix.


          re = to be returned to original state.

          Notice the words here... that they all begin with "Re".
          Words like
          Re- pentance,
          Re- velation,
          Re- demption,
          Re- storation,
          Re-concilliation,
          Re- generation,
          Re- freshing,
          Re- formation,
          Re-newing,
          Re-creation,
          Re- production,
          Re- construction,
          Re- joicing,
          Re- covery,
          Re- memberance,
          and let us not forget this
          The "Re- surrection.''


          The first ''re'' word in Websters dictionary is = reabsorb and the last word is rewrite.
          Between these two words are 53 pages of 3 columns on each page, so there are many ''re'' words.
          Reabsorb means to suck back up again, as a sponge and Rewrite means to write again!
          So I went and looked up one of my favourite words= REDEEM./REDEEMED
          MEANS to buy back from.
          To recover, to pay-off, to repurchase, and many more words that simply means = TO DELIVER FROM SIN!
          This wonderfull word's position in the dictionary = Redeemed is on the 13th page and it is the 37th column in websters dictionary.
          Well NO! 13 means.= the depravity of sin
          and NO! 37 means,= the Royal number of Jesus Christ and the Word of God.
          I FIND this interesting, even for a dictionary.
          [the copy i have is the 1959 version.]
          Is this trivia really interesting in the whole scheme of LIFE.?
          I find it extra-ordinarily so.
          The bible definition of redeemed.
          Means to ransom, = to bring about the FULL DELIVERANCE FROM ALL BONDAGE..
          Then i looked up the word ''DEEM/DEEMED'' for a saint has been ''''''re'''''' from it.
          deem = to judge, to doom. to decide over.
          Do you think for one moment, this work of redemption that is done in a saint is in a 1/2 measure!~
          Can a saint of God be half redeemed?
          IF a saint cannot be 1/2 redeemed and the work incompleted, are there bondages remaining in a compeleted saint? answer is NO. for redeemed is a COMPLETED WORK.
          REV. 14.v.3-4 show a people who have been redeemed [without bondages] the first-fruits of God.
          IT is TIME to KNOW our glorious Gospel, to turn aside from men's theories and opinions and truely SEEK His truth about OUR TRUE ESTATE and HOW to be truly free.
          Why did the Lord allow the placing of REDEEM/REDEEMED on the 13th page in the 37th column...when this trivia is SPEAKING volumns to ears who can hear.
          Last edited by LucySmith; 09-27-2005, 04:27 PM.

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          • #6
            The Right Hand Of YAHWEH!

            Hi Lady Lucy,

            I really liked your # 1 Clue:
            Psalms 110:1-4
            1 YAHWEH said unto my ADON, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
            [Right now, Messiah is seated in the spiritual Holy of Holies. Under the right circumstances, we have the ability to enter this holy place (Hebrews 10:19-20, 2 Corinthians 12:2). Yahushua is YAHWEH. Through Messiah, we have become a living part of YAHWEH. The Earth is the footstool. We must subdue the Earth and have dominion over it for the sake of Yahushua according to this scripture. The day will come in which we will be able to stop storms like Katrina and Rita cold should we desire, or the opposite will be true should that be necessary. Sin and death are enemies. This is why I have said that we must first learn to control ourselves, our fleshly bodies, our little portion of this Earth. We are given the grace to do these things as this scripture indicates.]
            2 YAHWEH shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. [Is the preaching of the true Gospel the rod of Yahushua's strength (1 Corinthians 1:17-19)? We must learn to rule while in the flesh, hence the existence of the Immortals (John 21:22) and believers like ourselves until Messiah is fully completed in the Holy of Holies (Colossians 1:24-25, 2 Thessalonians 1:11).]
            3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
            [Wherever the true Gospel is preached and believed, the believers will age but will have the glow of youth about them. It this the way the Immortal looked like to you? This blessing applies to all those of our households! I first began to hope for this blessing by fulfilling with a whole heart the spiritual role of Caleb whose strength was renewed. Right now I am wondering how long we must wait before our third set of teeth appear? ]
            4 YAHWEH hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
            [The fulfillment of righteousness in a spiritual sense is our life blood (The Work of the Right Hand). This fulfillment is summarized in the New Commandment (John 13:34). Concerning this, I have much to say, but I must stop for now. The spiritual fulfillment of righteousness requires that time and space and even gravity be bent to our will. Hence, Trinity and Neo are pictures of this fulfillment, at least as best as I remember the movie! I am going to have to watch it again! ]
            Sincerely, Ab
            The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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            • #7
              coming out from deception.

              thanks for your reply.


              as regards the film the Matrix, [first film only] it contains many spiritual truths, watching it the first time is rather daunting, but to watch it again and again in each viewing, some part of the mystery is revealed....

              Stopping Rita
              Stopping Catrina.....

              ummmm.... can we look now at Moses plz.
              We all know this wonderfull brother and his story. There came a TIME, when he was stuck, between a rock and a hard place and he was praying.
              *he was praying
              *he was praying
              *he was praying..........praying.....
              now.. LET US SEE his MATURITY blossom.
              HE WAS TRAINED UP for 40yrs... faith upon faith, more faith and again faith so, here he was,
              SPYING.. notice this Plx.
              ABBA, is WAITING for us to ....SUBDUE....
              Moses was now in a climacteric point, everything was happening all at once, evil was encompassing him, now watch~!~!~! Exod. 14 v.15 -16. ''and the Lord said to Moses,......... WHEREFORE CRIEST THOU UNTO ME?......... speak.... to the Children of Israel and tell them TO GO FOREWARD''
              V 16 but lift up thy rod [divine authority]and stretch out thy hand over the sea and divide it and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground in the midst of the sea'' amen



              in other words Abba says ''STOP PRAYING AND DO SOMETHING, stop crying out to Me''

              SPYING, we are to be trained up as His right hand, and learn HOW TO SUBDUE.... we are to learn how the Spirit of Life flows out and MURDERS all situations encompassing us, rather than.... the situation murdering us.
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              Spying Quote:
              YAHWEH shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. [Is the preaching of the true Gospel the rod of Yahushua's strength (1 Corinthians 1:17-19)? We must learn to rule while in the flesh, hence the existence of the Immortals (John 21:22) and believers like ourselves until Messiah is fully completed in the Holy of Holies (Colossians 1:24-25, 2 Thessalonians 1:11).]




              yes~!
              we are Zion~! [the city of God = His dwelling place]
              RULERS AND REIGNERS [in training]
              over the power of the enemy.
              yes. We learn how to SUBDUE., Moses went on to SUBDUE, all the power of his enemy...praying... then stopped praying and subdued... amen.

              See Gen 1 v. 28 notice this was the first version of creation, these 2 created male and female made in the image of God [ v 26] God is SPIRIT, where told to SUBDUE~! TO HAVE DOMINION OVER.
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              Spying Quote:
              This is why I have said that we must first learn to control ourselves, our fleshly bodies, our little portion of this Earth. We are given the grace to do these things as this scripture indicates.



              YES, we are likened to 'earth' our earth MUST BE SUBDUED~! step by step as we learn spiritual control over our selves, meaning, we step back and have NO will, and allow Abba's will to dominate~! we become helpless to our situation, and it is in the position ABBA'S will takes over and brings impossible to posible. Our 'god like will or adamic nature' is starved out, by this method and this is termed as 'dying on the cross daily' and as we know, a dying cross person is totally unable to help themselves. This method is how Christ is FORMED in Us.


              Through Messiah, we have become a living part of YAHWEH.
              The Earth is the footstool.
              We must subdue the Earth and have dominion over it for the sake of Yahushua according to this scripture.




              He cannot come back, TILL THIS HAPPENS.
              His enemies are NOT made His footstool until the "fall" has been reversed (redeemed) as promised by Abba to the Serpent in Genesis 3:15, and that by the matters of Rev. 12 coming to pass.
              Yesterday as I was mediating on this type of things I found this '' probation time is almost ended'' and I was very encouraged~!
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              YAHWEH hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.



              oh~here is a wonderfull thing the Order of Melchizedic.
              THE ORDER OF ENDLESS LIFE.
              To be in this 'order' we are to be immortal as no death is found, in endless life. The power of an indestructible life "after the order of Melchizedek"
              One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17, where it is stated,
              Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
              This one grand statement reveals that Jesus is not like any of the other priest with whom the people of Israel were familiar.
              The entire 17th chapter of Hebrews describes the Melchizedek connection: The way Jesus Christ and thus, His body—the Royal Priesthood.
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              When Neo, was 'born again' = escaped all deception, he went into spiritual boot camp, and was trained up NOT TO RUN AWAY, from the powers of darkness, but, to have them RUN AWAY FROM him. He became a WALL OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Justified, as he allowed the SPIRIT to overtake him, so that his own soul and body was in submission to the Spirit of God.
              after a period of probation, the final test came, BUT, because of his training, he turned the tables and the enemy was defeated, in the film.

              This movie is a picture-puzzle-story-parable of our salvation= freedom training., We are being trained up to be FREEDOM-FIGHTERS.
              Christ, shall have His temple, made up containing these types of people.
              It is A GREAT salvation, and as we emerge from deception, we will find almost unbelievable things waiting for us, and as we look back, we can hardly understand, why, we remained 'deceived' for so long.

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              • #8
                cont............ the right hand???

                Spying wrote.

                YAHWEH hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.[The fulfillment of righteousness in a spiritual sense is our life blood (The Work of the Right Hand). This fulfillment is summarized in the New Commandment (John 13:34). Concerning this, I have much to say, but I must stop for now
                A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

                I have found, this ''''love'''' Jesus talking about, is a love/fellowship/caring that saints will respond to each other, rather than bear friction. They have been CONVERTED to have the SAME MIND, and this mind is a ONE ACCORD MIND, and it has to be so, for this mind, is the one that brings forth 'the glory'.
                as example see
                the opening of Solomon's temple and the 120 saints in the UPPER ROOM...
                UPPER-ROOM is the spiritual meaning of a changed mind, where 'adam-nature' fades and fails to manifest ~!
                The carnal minds have a type of love, but is not a divine love, but a changed mind bears God's agape love that will bear 'the glory'.

                A study of the "right hand" passages in the Bible reveals that the right hand of God represents His almighty power, His omnipotence, particularly in bestowing salvation, deliverance, victory, and preservation.
                "My right hand hath spanned the heavens" (Isaiah 48:13).
                `Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.... Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them" (Exodus 15:6,12).
                "His right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory* (Psalm 98:1).
                "Thy right hand shall save me" (Psalm 138:7).
                "I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness" (Isaiah 41:10). There are numerous other examples where the Bible uses "right hand" as a metaphor for power.
                His 'right-hand' is His power in HIS PRIESTS AND KINGS.

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                • #9
                  Slow Down, Son!

                  Hi Lady Lucy,

                  Thank you for your insights. Do something, uh? I know, I am impatient also, but ADONAI has shown me that I should presently slow down. Time is a factor, but then again time is not a factor.

                  The spiritual fulfillment of righteousness is the spiritual fulfillment of the Law. Love is the spiritual fulfillment of the Law. If the spiritual fulfillment exists, then by necessity the Law does exist.

                  This is how Messiah loved us: Messiah saw to it that you and I were supplied with Love, that is, with the spiritual fulfillment of the Law or with spiritual fulfillment of righteousness, in other words, with the keeping of a whole lot of commandments. This Love, this fulfillment was given to us by his grace through his suffering and death, and this Love is apprehended by faith in order that we might be assured that we have life. He who fulfills the Law has life, and he who fulfills the New Commandment has this life abundantly.

                  This Love, this life was given to us while we were yet sinners prior to any awareness on our part that we could indeed overcome our sinful nature and thus be saved from death.

                  To what shall I liken this love? It is like unto a great chef preparing a marvelous banquet meal for a host of people dying of hunger and thirst. Without our knowledge, Messiah put us all to work on the very meal that would save our lives without any awareness on our part that we were working right by his side. The meal has been prepared. He who eats this prepared meal lives. How so?

                  If I have no successful history of keeping the Law, how do I become convinced that I can keep the commandments and live? Everyone accepts sin as their normal circumstance. Ah, we can try not to sin, but in the end, we all sin, don't we? This is the attitude of death. We die because we do not believe that we can keep the Law. We die because we do not believe that we can keep the commandments and live. We die because we do not believe that we are worthy of life!

                  Now, let's speed it up a little. How fast can you become a keeper of the Law? Faster than a speeding bullet, faster that the speed of light! We are all extraordinarily proficient at keeping the Law, but we just did not know it!

                  Did the Law require you to bring a sacrifice? It sure did! The Law requires you and me to offer YAHWEH'S Offering, the Passover Lamb. If I offer that offering, can I not say that I have keep the Law? I sure can! Keeping the commandments and living is like unto learning how to walk. We learn how to walk one step at a time until it becomes muscle memory. We learn how to live in the same manner, one commandment at a time until commandment keeping becomes spiritual muscle memory, but here is the catch, and this is so difficult to understand and accept: Our first steps in learning how to live were actually steps of sin.

                  Sin, through the sacrifice of Messiah, becomes righteousness for each of us, and I will tell you the truth, with respect to sin, there exists no one speedier than myself. Suddenly, through the Grace of ELOHIM and Messiah Yahushua, I am faster than a speeding bullet. Slow down, son, slow down!

                  I can defeat my enemy if I can slow him down. I can defeat my enemy if he can no longer move! I can defeat my enemy if he is stuck in a certain place! Watch me beat the daylights out of this dude, and I am going to use both hands and both feet!

                  Sincerely, Ab
                  The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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                  • #10
                    humble......is not cleaning out church toilets....[hehe]

                    hello Spying.
                    Remember Moses is referred to as the most ''humble man'' and humble seems to be a word, that sometimes has different conatations.

                    humble = low estimate of one-self, modest, and submissive.

                    Humble - bible humble, really means '' we have learnt or learning to do as we are told.''
                    If we think about this, there was NO law when Moses as made ''humble'' in the back-side of the dessert during his 40yr training period to bring the people out from Egypt,[this world] out from their bondages, out from slavery..but..it was thru Moses humbleness, the law came to be in place, YET, no man till Jesus Christ was able to keep such a law not fulfill it.

                    I have often wondered over this..
                    WHY? was it too hard? or was the law designed to show men, just how Unteachable they are?
                    Was it designed to say ''you are unable to do as you are told''?
                    Was it designed to say "you are unable to free yourselves''.?
                    Jesus Christ, came, with a divine purpose to set men free.
                    Free from the laws of sin and death, as they were totally unable to free themselves.
                    The freedom-walk of a saint, is into the law of the Spirit of Life and this takes the bible humbleness to learn the manners/habits of the Kingdom, and learn to ''do as we are told''.
                    When Jesus died on the cross, and did all He did, there was ''sufferings'' = learning to do as He was told, He only ever did His Father's will, never did He step out from 'His Father's will' into His own 'thing'.

                    It is really a very simple message u know?

                    Apostle Paul says in Phil.3.v.10-14...
                    v 10 ''that he might KNOW Him, [to be fully intimate with and acquainted with] and the POWER of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings being made conformable to His death.''
                    THAT IS AMAZING STUFF, AMAZING POWER, AMAZING ATTITUDE..
                    For.
                    here was a man stepped in FROM HIS HEAD TO HIS TOES - in THE LAW~! yet, he counted it as dung.
                    The law was unable to save men, for the law was for flesh, Jesus Christ BREATHED the same life-power He contains, [namely the Holy Spirit, ]breathed upon them .... the quickening Spirit into a new dispensation called a NEW way, 'I am the Way I am the Truth, I am the Life, that was opened up, men could enter.
                    Like Joshua and Caleb, KNEW how to enter in.... men can enter into the KINGDOM OF ABBA... BUT DO THEY?

                    Father Abba showed me a vision once of
                    a road,
                    a fence,
                    a green pastured and
                    a castle, like the ones they have in England.

                    All the people were walking on the road, many would stop at the fence and wonder, some would jump this fence and begin to walk in the green pasture, but few, would walk up further on, to see, what the castle contained and who lived there.
                    That is the same picture as the children of Israel, they walked the road, they stopped and wondered under the dessert provisions, they crossed out from Egypt, but when it came time to enter in, 2 only were able.
                    The rest turned back...
                    it was all too hard, they believed A BAD REPORT.
                    '' they saw the giants,'' but, they were UNABLE TO TRUST IN THEIR HEAVENLY PROVIDER, to save them~! they still had not learnt to do as they were told.

                    What is this BAD REPORT issued out by the BAD REPORTERS today, making it impossible to cross over into LIFE... FULL LIFE... IMMORTAL LIFE.?

                    JUST as there are millions of newspapers, there are millions of religious bad reporters, who are believed by the masses.

                    Grace abounds, mercy holds hands with Grace, when a person walks away from the bad reporters and is breathed upon by the Holy Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus, and while they do make mistakes, as small children do, they are trained up to do as they are told, by their heavenly Father, In love.

                    as 4 Time....
                    Time is no more.
                    Father is eternal, outside of time.

                    In this eternal-ness, it is like in slow motion, like we see sometimes in the movies.. SLOW MOTION,
                    It is like the world and the KINGDOM overlap.
                    The Kingdom hovers over the world, like 2 coins atop of each other. Sometimes we are allowed to 'see' into the above Kingdom, and it is PEACE, and all evil being stucked out and time is not there.
                    As we learn to obey the rules and conditions, and work with Grace and Favour, Father will tell us ''Get your house in Order'' .
                    The earthy ties fade, the immportant things that once held us, become unimportant, as this world fades away so does it's time.

                    Jesus said, "The kingdom of heaven is within you." Heaven is harmony and unity and peace. At the time of Jesus' birth the angels gave their heavenly blessing, "Peace on earth, good will to men." And such is the heavenly state, peace and the brotherhood of man,

                    In one of the ancient books the story is told of the three evil spirits who stole the key of heaven and sought to hide it from man.
                    One of the evil spirits said, "We will hide it in the depths of the sea.
                    And another said, "no, for that place is to obvious; man will surely seek it there."
                    Suddenly the third of the evil spirits cried excitedly, "I have it, We will place the key within man, himself, he will never think to look for it there."
                    All agreed that was the perfect place so they put the key within the depths of man's own being and he is still seeking everywhere but the place closest to himself,


                    so what is Jesus really telling us?
                    He was telling us that this world in its present form is passing away. And that a new world-- a new realm-- a new creation, far superior to the present one-- will over take it.
                    it has to happen
                    IN me first....

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                    • #11
                      the white horse...

                      cont...thinking.

                      slow motion, shows up 'things we miss in real-time- motion'' .
                      slow motion is more accentuated, small things become magnified.,
                      I saw a white horse with its rider once moving in slow motion.
                      The horse was moving in slow motion and i could see its muscles moving, rippling, the effort it placed in each move, the water that sprayed up, as it raced thru it became little drops, rather than splashes.
                      The horse was ALIVE and moved in power, and this LIFE rippled thru it as it galloped.

                      The rider was blended with the Horse. they were a team, they worked together as one unit. The rider would think, the horse would follow that thinking, as they were joined in full unity and became as one unit.

                      This is the same type of picture as our UNITY with the power of Christ.
                      JOINED together.
                      same mind, same programme, same one-ness and Image. These are His rulers and His reigners IN life.

                      Today I learnt something wonderfull....
                      I know about GRACE, but, what about LIVING ''IN'' GRACE?
                      What the law of the OT. was unable to do, the Messiah can, and that is, to be ALLOWED to live '''IN''' His grace.
                      We are called out,
                      We are made willing [Ps 110v 1-4.] and
                      in this MADE WILLING mode = GRACE ABOUNDS~!
                      why?
                      FOR our High priest Jesus Christ IS THERE, = ever to make INTERCESSION for His saints in the Order of Melchedizec.
                      Under grace, and grace's training, we are under unmerrited favour, and when we are faithless = HE IS FAITHFULL.
                      example
                      It is like, a school master. [Father Abba] seeing the student [His people] overcoming in study and Holy Spirit attitude, YET, sometimes there is a slip. So forgiveness is instant and the school pupil retains favour.
                      I loved this Spying...... it is a TRUE FATHER caring for His family in a divine and caring attitude of love. amen
                      Last edited by LucySmith; 10-01-2005, 02:15 AM.

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                      • #12
                        The Sprinklers!

                        Hi Lady Lucy,
                        It is like, a school master. [Father Abba] seeing the student [His people] overcoming in study and Holy Spirit attitude, YET, sometimes there is a slip. So forgiveness is instant and the school pupil retains favour.
                        I loved this Spying...... it is a TRUE FATHER caring for His family in a divine and caring attitude of love. amen
                        Yes, Amen, and I might add that we are taught by our Holy Abba to overcome by submitting to HIS WORD according to HIS work and will. When we stumble, this is what happens:
                        2 Samuel 7:12-16

                        12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed (Messiah Yahushua) after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels (In Judaism, descent transfers from father to son. Joseph was the true physical father of Messiah Yahushua) and I will establish his kingdom.
                        13 He shall build an house (the Church) for my name (the work and will of the Father, HIS true Sacred Name), and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
                        14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity (This phrase is interesting to me in exactly how it does apply to Messiah? There exists a possible scenario here, but obviously, it refers more to the Church in him), I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:(The Suffering of the Cross)
                        15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
                        16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
                        The dude that I have determined to beat the daylights out of is my sinful self. If I have indeed been crucified with Messiah, and I have, then my sinful being has been fixed in place with absolutely no power to endure and change his circumstance! Through the Cross, sin gradually slow downs until it dies. I have buried my sinful self in Baptism which is symbolic for immersion in the Word. What arises from this immersion is a Neo like (Messiah like) individual. Real power and speed comes to Messiah through the spiritual performance of righteousness. Everything, and I mean everything, is subjected to this power. Consider this example:
                        Numbers 19:18

                        18 And a clean person shall take hyssop, and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it upon the tent, and upon all the vessels, and upon the persons that were there, and upon him that touched a bone, or one slain, or one dead, or a grave:
                        The first sprinkler was Messiah (Luke 24:32). According to Jewish tradition, the sprinklers were children (Barnabas 8:1-7). They were carried around atop doors so that they would never walk on a grave and be defiled by death. The second sprinkler was the Apostolic Assembly. The third sprinkler is the second spiritual Temple, us! Please explain, if you desire, the idea that there will be six men and six women as Apostles in this third Assembly (I am seeing here the possible beginning of the number, 666).

                        Neo like speed and power comes about through the fulfillment of spiritual righteousness, that is, sprinkling the unclean with the true Gospel of LIFE NOW! Talk about fast, we ain't seen nothing yet!

                        Sincerely, Ab
                        The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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                        • #13
                          the race set before us,,

                          Thankz Spying, i enjoy your posts.

                          We cannot believe, what the church tells us, we cannot believe what the generations of thinking [public perceptions] will tell us, we cannot live on stale manna.
                          Our manna is a HIDDEN MANNA, IT IS FOR PEOPLE ARE ARE ALIVE, out from the dead, = that overcomer -IN-Christ.
                          People can get very hot under the collar, over their belief system... but... what of it?
                          What happens as they die and are laid in the grave, where is that belief they held so close, can we ask?
                          Why do they die? when their sin is forgiven and the Blood proclaims them ''not a law-breaker''.

                          Is this not some weird and terrifying great mystery,?????????????? to believe and then die~! as some acceptable punishment ? It is Like a Judge, proclaiming a man 'innocient'' and then having the court guards placing him on death-row to be shot at dawn.

                          As i grow more into the knowledge of Christ, by His Grace, i can look back at my own stupidity and wonder over my own religious insanity~!
                          thinking ='' i know it, and i am grown up and i am right'.... all the while eating dung, I can understand Apostle Paul's attitude a little as my religious self withers on the vine of its own corruption.

                          have u seen religious-self Spying... ? it is all hot air, without Power to transform a worm into a butterfly. Religious words without the divine metamoorphoo.

                          however... let us continue our edification~!

                          It is the Holy Spirit who GUIDES US, into all Truth, [the person Jesus Christ] the Holy writ tells us~!
                          It is HE alone, who will guide us thru the great Mysteries, the parables, contradictions and paradoxes into the golden veins, from His gold-mine of Truth that sets us free from death and it's laws of sin.
                          While this is in progress, we DEVELOP HIS own BELIEF SYSTEM~! and shed our own religious perceptions like some snake skin,
                          guide = dictionary meaning........
                          a person who leads,
                          conducting strangers thru a region,
                          to train up a person into knowledge !
                          He will guide His pupil into THE ASCENSION = namely =the gospel Jesus Christ presented to the people involved a total restoration of all that was lost in the Garden of Eden.
                          THE GOSPEL, is about RESTORATION here and now~! on this earth, as Man is designed to gain dominion over all the works of God’s hands, just as it was given to him in creation. Anything less than this declares God has failed in His purpose for creation.
                          Jesus walked
                          IN HEAVEN,
                          HEAVEN WAS IN Him,
                          His being carried heaven,
                          His mind lived in heaven,
                          He did heavenly things.... here.... as He DISPLAYED, to all the world WHAT Adam was unable to do.
                          He gave us, this new way of living IF we can only believe as HE BELIEVES.


                          His saints as His temple are to be the consummation of His redemptive work.



                          Hebrews 12:1, "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin, which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us."

                          THE RACE~!
                          I think it was in 1976, Olympic games, the women's Marathon event was on, all the ladies were running the race of their lives, till the moment came, when the main runner entered the grand stadium, and the cheers went up, as she crossed over the finishing line, however, other runners came, and they got smaller claps, and then the last woman-runner came into the stadium, she was running, then falling, she would get up, stagger and fall again, yet, no one could help her, for to do so, she would be disqualified from the race, so, around the race-track she staggered, she lay on the ground, then seemed to recover, up she would get to run again, she was so exhausted yet she continued on till finally at last she crossed that finishing line and fell in a heap. The crowd arose, they cheered her and clapped her, for minutes, they would not stop clapping and cheering. The commentators on the TV were very emotional, people were even crying in the stands...no one had ever received such applause as this runner from Scandinavia.

                          This has been replayed on the TV a few times since 1976, as a 'picture' of endurance and the 'olympic-spirit'.
                          However, when i see this replay, to me, it is the race of the overcomer in Christ enduring to the end~!

                          how did they win this race?
                          and
                          what was their 'prize'?

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                          • #14
                            cont. with your question Spying.

                            LIFE NOW!
                            Rev.15.v.2.
                            to those who 'have the strength to stand'' to gain power over their 'beast within'' and come thru to have the spiritual strength to ABIDE inside the Word of God and NOT be continually corrected.~!

                            meaning = we NO longer have '' THE MARK OF satan'' upon us.
                            Last edited by LucySmith; 10-02-2005, 09:13 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Dancin!

                              Hi Lady Lucy,

                              Oh, I do enjoy your posts also! You have courage. There is an openness and honesty about you that is refreshing and encouraging to my spirit! Thank you! I can tell by your replies that you have the right stuff. You have overcome, and you are overcoming.

                              In the process of overcoming, I have seen that ELOHIM confirms my words. I know this personally so it is something that I know, but I do not knowingly know it in the sense of how we must know in order to have faith. (Genesis 15:8)

                              If I can see it in the Word of ELOHIM, not so much in the obvious Word, but in the veiled Word that is behind the obvious, then I can knowingly know as did Abraham (Genesis 15:13). I can have faith!

                              Overcoming requires faith. Overcoming requires that we knowingly know, that we know of a surety.

                              So, right now, I know that I have overcome after I actually have overcome. We begin to understand the process as we are engaged in overcoming, but where the spirit of my mind takes me is that I desire to know according to the Word of ELOHIM. I desire to be Messiah like: I want to know of a certainty about the overcoming before it occurs. If I can see it in the Word of ELOHIM and especially in the Law, then I indeed know of a surety. Then I have faith.

                              Overcoming is a dance. It is following the lead of Messiah. You and I have learned some of the steps (the doing of righteousness) of the dance while dancing with Messiah. Now, we must learn to dance with each other and with others. I desire to follow your lead as I have said, but that is scary for me because following the lead of a woman is not something that I am at all accustomed to doing.

                              I want to see our dance choreographed in the Word. Then I will know of a certainty. Oh, what the heck! May I have this dance with you?

                              Sincerely, Ab
                              The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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