Major contradictions of one called Paul.

[Eliyah]

Since the Administrator I'M A HEBREW of this forum asked this question( and I admit that I purposely pointed out 1 Cor.10:19-28 compared to Acts 15 to prove this doctrine of Baalim) concerning WHY Paul told those in ( 1 Cor.10) to go ahead and eat foods that were sacrificed to idols.

I'M A HEBREW Administrator asked the question himself, and admitted that Paul did tell those in ( 1 Cor.10) to go ahead and eat that which was sacrificed to idols and that it was sin.....

Administrator asked( 8-29-2005-450AM) and said, """

And now I have another question for you, since you have brought up the issue of sacrificing to idols, why do you think Paul told the Corinthians to go ahead and eat meat that had been sacrificed to an idol (1 Cor 10:25), since it was an obvious sin to do so?

"" Unquote of I'M A HEBREW

First, I'm going to quote Paul actually telling these people to do this, and where I pointed out that this constitutes IDOLATRY.

Paul=="""

( 1 Cor.10:25) Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

(What is this? Might this constitute idolatry for Paul and those who follow his advice?)

Again, Paul says, """

( 1 Cor.10:27) If any of them that BELIEVE NOT bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

(What is this? Might this constitute idolatry again for Paul and those who follow his advice?) Is this not clear violation of YAH'S Commandments?

Now, here is a MAJOR CONTRADICTION to what Yahushua Messiah said, and the Desciple John wrote it down for ALL to SEE and read.

But first, a question. What exactly is "" THE DOCTRINE OF BALAAM?? ""

Be ready for that CONTRADICTION and a SHOCK!!

Yahushua Himself said """

Verse 12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

Verse 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Verse 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that HOLD THE DOCTRINE OF BALAAM, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, TO EAT THINGS SACRIFICED UNTO IDOLS, AND TO COMMIT ( spiritual= IDOLATRY) FORNICATION.( REVELATION 2:12-14)

Question: Is ( 1 Cor.10:19-28) concerning Paul's instructions to the Corinthians not in CONTRADICTION to Yahushua and John's condemnation of those that hold ( REV.2:14 ) the Doctrine of Balaam, and commit spiritual Idolatry ????

You better believe it!!

This is but ONE major contradiction of the man called Paul with Yahushua Messiah and the Desciple John's writings.

Now, isn't this "" DOCTRINE OF BAALIM "" exactly what I have been pointing out that is going on worldwide today in churchanity of "" syncretisim and spiritual Idolatry ""??

There is more to come later.

Eliyah C. on the net!


"" For he will turn the heart( Mind) of the fathers to the children, and the heart( Mind) of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.""( Mal.4:6).

[Spying]

Eating False Teaching?

Hi Eliyah,

Why did Yahushua teach in parables? He did so in order to make his disciples learn the discipline of thinking in symbols. I will give you an example. Do you recall that Messiah said:

Matthew 16:6
6 Then Yahushua said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Was Messiah concerned that his disciples not eat any physical bread that a Pharisee or Sadducee might offer to them? Not at all (verse 12)! In like manner, whenever or wherever Messiah speaks to us, we should immediately ask:

What are you really telling us? Are you concerned here with eating physical meat which has been offered to physical idols? Is there a doctrine or teaching of the prophets of Baal (Many of the religious teachers of today) that we must identify and beware of and not eat ("eating" is "doing" in the thinking of Messiah) lest we stumble as Balaam desired for all Israel?

This all goes back to false teaching, and we each must ask ourselves: Am I placing stumbling blocks before the blind? Am I a prophet of Baal? Are you certain, Eliyah, that you can identify a prophet of Baal simply because he uses the word "Jesus" instead of the word "Yahushua"? Or that he uses "LORD" instead of "YAHWEH"? If so, then it is very simple to avoid the leaven of Baalism, is it not?

Baalism is a false system of belief. What do you think a meat (a teaching) offered up to him might be today, besides the names issue, that is?

Have a good Sabbath!

Sincerely, Ab

[Eliyah]

To Spying.

Spying, You said== ""

What are you really telling us? Are you concerned here with eating physical meat which has been offered to physical idols? Is there a doctrine or teaching of the prophets of Baal (Many of the religious teachers of today) that we must identify and beware of and not eat ("eating" is "doing" in the thinking of Messiah) lest we stumble as Balaam desired for all Israel?

Yes there is a false teaching of the modern day prophets of B-al=l-rd, and this is spiritual adultry or spiritual Idolatry to YHWH( Rev.2:14).

Listen Spying and hear, merely because someone uses the true Name of "" YAHWEH ""( such as you do too) does not mean they cannot be teaching doctrines of Baalim, but, if people use the titles of Baal, such as "" l-rd and g-d "", this is indication they have been indoctrinated with the teachings of Baalism as todays modern churchianity is teaching and practicing.


You also said, ""

This all goes back to false teaching, and we each must ask ourselves: Am I placing stumbling blocks before the blind? Am I a prophet of Baal? Are you certain, Eliyah, that you can identify a prophet of Baal simply because he uses the word "Jesus" instead of the word "Yahushua"? Or that he uses "LORD" instead of "YAHWEH"? If so, then it is very simple to avoid the leaven of Baalism, is it not?

Spying, hear and understand, One must compare their teachings and doctrines of what they have been taught with the scriptures of the torah and prophets, and those who do not speak and do exactly as those, it is because there is no truth or light in them.( Remember what the Prophet wrote? and 1 John 2:3-4).

You also said, ""

Baalism is a false system of belief. What do you think a meat (a teaching) offered up to him might be today, besides the names issue, that is?

Yes, that is true, but the "" NAME ISSUE ""( as you call it ) is a clear indication of false doctrinal teachings of Baalism( Such as Old Eliyahu the Prophet pointed out, and the Book of Jer.23, Hosea 2 points out) as the Desciple John wrote in ( Rev.2:14).

The Messiah, James, Peter, and the Desciple John stressed to DO THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAH, not just merely "" believe ""( as you indicate) without doing and obeying them.

Question for you, does not Paul's writing in ( 1 Cor.10:19-28) contradict the Messiah and John in ( Rev.2:14) as I pointed out in the previous post??

It is spiritual Idolatry, and that is exactly what I have been pointing out concerning the practice and teachings of " syncretisim " that modern churchianity follows today.

Now, as I told the Administrator, you better start comparing the man called Paul's writings with the torah and the Prophets, and with the teachings of Messiah and the Original Desciples.

There is more to come of Paul's contradictions, and his indications for teaching Baalism and Idolatry.

Shalom,

Eliyah C. is here and on the net!

Ps. Remember the Question above????

"" For he will turn the heart( Mind) of the fathers to the children, and the heart( Mind) of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.""( Mal.4:6).

[LucySmith]

stoned and left as one dead.

This is this great Apostle of Jesus Christ testimony.

If we notice this verse,[ to be stoned and left for dead,] one would think, that person would be
''' as-dead''''' to those onlookers, who were satisfied with the results of their stoning...

if this is so, we do not read where Apostle Paul, lay for weeks recovering!
if this is so, we do not read, how he sort medical help or any assistance at all from men!
but
we do read how he carried on his ministry to the gentiles.
This testimony showed that DEATH could not be found in this Godily man, that divine LIFE overruled the power of those stoner's stones that day!

Eliyah, have you been stoned as left as one who is dead ?
Do u know how it feels like to lay there stoned and left for dead?

shall i tell you?

The stones hurt, but the body goes numb, nothing can be felt as the body numbs itself from these blows.
Calling upon the name of Jesus Christ, brings life, true life that over-rides the power of death.
The body stays in this numb state for over 6weeks+ [depending upon the injury] as the ruin is returned back into Life, and all the while a person can go about their business unconcerned and pain free.
IF this happened to a person, without DIVINE LIFE pulsating thru their inner man, they would be screaming in agony and seeking the help of men for their pain and distress and probably end up dead, for stoning in those days was as expert art-form~!

now,
Eliyah when you come into the standards of Apostle Paul, living in the divine life force of Messiah, i shall listen, till then, i recommend u hush up, for the Holy Spirit cannot be found in you and your ideas, that really are not your own revelation, for they can be found a dime a dozen on the net.

I cannot abide men, who mouth off at the divine messengers when their own lives are filled with ignorance. I am sad Eliyah to be so brutal, but you really need a divine smack.

[Eliyah]

Lucy, Then why don't you dis-prove it with scriptures.

Lucy, Then why don't YOU dis-prove thee above post with scriptures??

Or, at lest answer the questions with scriptures??

No, you CANNOT dis-prove it( and neither can the Administrator, nor Spying), but all you can do is condemn me like your SISTER JEZABELL that tried to kill Old Elijah The Prophet( Remember?).....

Well YOU either USE SCRIPTURE TO DISPROVE MY POST ABOVE, or then PLEASE STOP CLUTTERING UP MY TOPIC WITH YOUR FOOLISH CONJECTURE TO CONDEMN ME?????????????????????????????????????????

Please STAY OFF MY TOPIC WITH MERE CONDEMNATION AND CONJECTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you hear and UNDERSTRAND ME?????????????????????????????

[LucySmith]

Eliyah yes i shall, not clutter up your topic.

I shall rebuke your rudeness to me, in the Name of Jesus Christ but i also forgive your ignorance~!

so~!

i shall go and read , what others like you have suggested on other forums on the net, that exact same arguements, so in a way it is not 'your topic' but one that is COPIED and repeated often on the net by people who basically are blinded.

like i said,
you have NOT received the Holy Spirit therefore your'e unable to discern and rightly divide dispensations from one another.
but please be warned....
When you come against the Holy Spirit and denounce His appointed Ministers and a vile condemning way ~! beware~!
I suggest you repent post haste IF you can as i see your'e filled up with bitterness and seem to be suffering a loss of relationship with your creator.
Plx consider this.....
= After all it was Messiah Himself who apprehended Paul and filled him, with the divine revelations for the Gentiles. SO~! When you mock, [in misunderstanding] the work of the Goodnews from Paul you mock Saviour Jesus Christ~! your'e a mocker, even if you think your'e right.
But I do wish you well,
as i hate to see religious-death work in any man.
So I pray you shall be changed into Glory, by being born again from above rather than cling to an outdated system.

''Abba,Father Plx, in the lovely name of Jesus Christ, open the eyes of Eliyah's understanding and bring him out from his death-like religion that is killing him and into the saving power of Jesus Christ~! amen''
Goodbye with hugs from Lucy,

[Eliyah]

You would probably not KNOW the Sacred Spirit if it came up and bit you.

You would not even know the true sacred spirit if it came up and bit you.

Lucy, YAH brought me out of your traditional christianity 24 years ago, and I will never believe in such stupidity, let alone return back to it, like the dog that returns to his vomit.

It is all "" THE DOCTRINES OF BAALIM ""( Rev.2:14) that is taught by YOUR CHURCHES of JE'ZEUS that is causing ALL THE DESTRUCTION such as in New Orleans.

But, if that is ALL YOU PEOPLE CAN DO is to condemn me for telling the truth, then the message must be cutting to the quick, because that is exactly how Noah, and the Prophets were done too. Was it not???

But, if that is all you can do is condemn me( instead of dis-proveing the posts), then please stay off the topic with stupidity of conjecture!

You know who.

[Spying]

The Woodshed!

Hi Eliyah,

It has been awhile since I last was moved to defend my brother, Paul. Usually, I just ignore Paul's misinformed critics, but you know what, I think that I shall with the help of Jesus and with the help of Paul and with the approval of Lady Lucy work to put their teachings right before your eyes!

The last time I was moved to come to the defense of my brother, Paul, was on the Qumran Bet Community Forum. Thummim can verify that I did fight ably for my brother against a number of Paul bashers. Thummim actually came to my aid when they wanted to dispel me from the forum. He asked that I be allowed to continue because he wanted to hear what I had to say. I loved him for that, and I still do.

Qumran did not defeat my defense of Paul, and neither can you. The difference on this forum is this: When it is all said and done, it will be there for all to read unless ImAHebrew and Hyssop should decide to do away with this forum. This did happen at Qumran. My defense of Paul no longer exists for people to see and read, but Qumran is still quite bold in their criticism of Paul. Here is a sample:

http://www.qumran.com/Paul/index.html

Someone needs to go to the woodshed!

Sincerely, Ab

[Spying]

Offering The LORD'S Offering?

Hi Eliyah,

You claim to be of Joseph, right? It is commanded in the Law that all Israel slaughter their Passover Lambs. When was the last time you offered the LORD'S Offering?

Sincerely, Ab

[Eliyah]

To Spying.

Spying, it seems as if you take advantage to IGNOR my questions asked of you, but I have continually answered your questions with the scriptures.

How about you answering ALL my questions in thee ABOVE post about Paul with scriptures for once?

I can, and will answer your question, but only if you answer my questions ABOVE concerning Paul with scriptures, and dis-prove Paul's contradiction of( 1 Cor.10:19-28) with that of John in ( Rev.2:14) ??

Or, does it take BOTH YOU and the Administrator to match your wits of scripture with me?

Oh, B.T.W., I asked you a question in "" YOUR LIFE TOPIC ""? Why don't you go and give all the scriptures that i asked you to do??

Eliyah C. is here and on the net!

"" For he will turn the heart( Mind) of the fathers to the children, and the heart( Mind) of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.""( Mal.4:6).

[Eliyah]

Spying, it seems you play both sides of the fence?

First, You stated ""

I switched to writing with the Sacred Names a number of years ago so that I don't have to waste all my time arguing about their use.

Then, you use those titles and teachings of BAALIM( Rev.2:14).

Your not only a "" straddle pole "", but you are also untruthful as well, to please those that come to your forum, whether of baal or not.

You know who.

[Eliyah]

Contradictions of Paul's own words.

First, Paul makes this statement of...

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( 1 Cor.10:25 ) Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake

Then, Paul also says, ""

( 1 Cor.10:27 )If any of them that BELIEVE NOT bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

Now Spying, are ye to go among them that BELIEVE NOT and eat( spiritual meat teaching) asking no questions for concience sake?

Here is Paul's contradiction of his own words.

Paul =""

10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the lord's, and the fulness thereof:

First, Paul tells them to "" EAT IT asking no questions "", then he tells them to "" NOT EAT IT for that man's sake that said it"".

Well, which is it Paul ? Shall he eat it, or shall he not eat it?

All this above is absolute contradiction to ( Rev.2:14), whether you choose to accept it or not, and is Idolatry worship, which is spiritual fornication.

Now, NOTICE this contradiction TO ALL OF THEE ABOVE of Paul.

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( 2 Cor.6:14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Then, Paul says, ""

( 2 Cor.6:15 -16)And what concord hath the Messiah with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

( 2 Cor.6:16) And what agreement hath the temple of YHWH with idols? for ye are the temple of the living Elohim; as YHWH hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.

Yea, Paul, that question in ( 2 Cor.6:14-15) is a good one, which I do agree, but don't that contradict your own words in ( 1 Cor.10:27) ?

Then why are you Paul telling those in ( 1 Cor.10:27) to go to UNBELIEVER'S FEASTS, then you tell them to NOT be yoked together with un-believers in ( 2 Cor.6:14) ?

Which is it, that you want the Corinthians to do Paul?

Again, contradiction of Paul's own words.

Eliyah on the net!

"" For he will turn the heart( Mind) of the fathers to the children, and the heart( Mind) of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.""( Mal.4:6).

[Spying]

Mr. Straddlepole's Answer!

Hi Eliyah,

Thank you for your observation! Thank you for noticing that I have, for your sake while I am dealing with you, switched back to the pagan names, and characteristically, you could not resist making a derogatory comment about that switch, could you?

My switch should be an indication that I am ready and willing to debate at complete odds with you. I no longer am worried about causing you offence. In other words, I am no longer taking Paul's advice on how to deal in kindness with a weak brother who thinks that eating meat offered to an idol constitutes idolatry. I wish right now that I could find physical meat offered to a physical idol and eat it right in front of you and watch your eyes get big!

The only way that I can prove to you that Paul was correct in his attitude and teaching about the application of the Law is to treat you exactly contrary to his recommendation and see how you like it. The use of the pagan names does exactly that. Ordinarily, I would not use the pagan names because I know that men and women like yourself don't like it, and I do not want to offend them or cause them to stumble in any fashion, but I know that my use of LORD or Jesus does not hurt my relationship at all with YAHWEH Messiah Yahushua. It does not hurt Yahushua. It does not cause him to stumble. He knows who he is, he knows his standing, and he knows me.

I came to know him as Jesus and not as Yahushua. He revealed himself to me when I thought of him as Jesus long before I thought of him as Yahushua. I began to think of Jesus as Yahushua primarily for the sake of a man named Don. It did not change my relationship with the GOD who had already revealed himself to me as Jesus.

Jesus is my Passover Lamb. When was the last time you yourself sacrificed a Passover Lamb as commanded in the Torah, Mr. Correct worshipper of YAHWEH?

Sincerely, Ab

[Eliyah]

Well Spying, did the scriptures finally strike a nerve?

You really should read the POST just above your last post tho.

You stated, ""

My switch should be an indication that I am ready and willing to debate at complete odds with you. I no longer am worried about causing you offence. In other words, I am no longer taking Paul's advice on how to deal in kindness with a weak brother who thinks that eating meat offered to an idol constitutes idolatry. I wish right now that I could find physical meat offered to a physical idol and eat it right in front of you and watch your eyes get big!

Spying, eat anything you desire, even road kill, if you want.

Spying, YOU have been making "" derogatory "" statements to me within 3 days that i arrived at this forum, and resenting me because I have pointed out the truth concerning "" doctrines of Baal and its modern worship"" counterparts.

Now, why don't you go to YOUR LIFE TOPIC, and post those scriptures of life and death there for me like i asked you to do THREE TIMES ALREADY??.

I've asked you 3 times already.

OHHH iimm sccaarreedd nnoowww.

What a laugh.

Eliyah

[Eliyah]

To Spying,

I'm not affilliated with the QUMRAN spying, but you will not dis-prove with scriptures the contradictions of Paul ( 1 Cor.10:19-27) with James' decree concerning the Gentiles in ( Acts 15), and neither will you dis-prove Paul's contradiction( 1 Cor.10:19-27) with John in ( Rev.2:14).

Read the posts under GREETINGS TO THE ADMINISTRATOR, as to me leaving, which this seems to be everyone's want anyway .

Remember, I warned you( Ezek.33:1-11), concerning those pagan title name deities, and who you really worship( Rev.9:20; Rev.13:3-4,8) through satan's deception( Rev.12:9).

I wonder if these posts will be locked out too, like the baal gad post, now that i'm gone?

so long,

Eliyah

"" For he will turn the heart( Mind) of the fathers to the children, and the heart( Mind) of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.""( Mal.4:6).