Greetings to the Administrator, I'M A HEBREW.

[Eliyah]

Greetings I'M A Hebrew,

Ah, the Administrator finally comes out of the wood work on Eliyah C.

I hope you don't mind me starting a new thread, but I thought that my reply to your post earlier on my "" BAAL GAD"" topic would be covered up by all the other posts of people there, and that you may miss it.

You stated quote, ""

You have drawn a line in the sand over the use of pagan names verses the Sacred Names, and that appears to be foundational for fellowship with you. As Spying brought out earlier, circumcision was foundational for fellowship with certain believers:

Unquote.

No, not exactly, I stated before that those who did use the pagan names did speak certain truths and should not be ignored, but they should be taught the truth of YHWH'S= YAH'S( Psalms 68:4) true Name. Or, did you miss, or ignor what I wrote, or did you forget it in an earlier post?

Now, You and A.B. pointed out ( Acts 15) and ( Acts 21) concerning " circumcission ", but I understand that "" the blood letting rituals ""( including circumcission) are not required as pertaining to salvation.

For Paul said, ""( 1 Cor.7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but( What is something?), but the keeping of the commandments of YHWH( is something). I think that I have cleared that up now.

But, this has NOTHING to do with " circumcission ", this has to do with Idolatry by the practice of " syncretisim " of heathen( other nations) title name idol deities applied to YHWH=YAH.

Now, since You( and A.B.) mentioned ( Acts 15:29) """ That ye abstain from meats ""OFFERED TO IDOLS"", and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.""" Unquote.

And You quoted, """ (Acts 21:25) As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from THINGS OFFERED TO IDOLS, and from blood, and from( things) strangled, and from fornication.

Now, let's SEE exactly what an "" IDOL or IDOLS"" really are shall we ?

In ( Strongs Exaustive Concordance Greek Dictionary) this is Greek Numbers 1494 and 1497= neut. of a comp. of 1497 and a presumed der. of 2380; AN IMAGE-SACRIFICE, ie-part of an idolatrous offering :-( meat,thing that is) offered( in sacrifice, sacrificed) to ( unto) idols.

Then, Greek Number 1497, from 1491; AN IMAGE( ie-for worship); by impl. A HEATHEN GOD, or ( Plur.) the worship of such:- idol . """ Unquote of Strongs.

Now, let's go to ( 1 Cor.10:19-22) """ 10:19 What say I then? that the IDOL( 1494, 1497) is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols( 1494, 1497) is any thing?

10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils( demons), and not to YAH(Elohim): and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils( demons).

10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of YHWH=YAH, and the cup of devils( demons): ye cannot be partakers of YHWH'S table, and of the table of devils( demons).

10:22 Do we provoke YHWH to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

Now, notice that ( 1 Cor.10:20) has a little "" q "" beside the word sacrifice, and notice the center reference column( K.J.V.) at the little letter "" q "", and refers YOU back to ( Deut.32:17).

( Deut.32:16-17) """ 32:16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange elohim, with abominations provoked they him to anger.

32:17 They sacrificed unto devils( demons), not to Eloah; to elohim whom they knew not, to new ones that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not."" Unquote .

Now, we SEE WHY the Book of Revelation says that in the END TIMES, that this worlds inhabbitants of people would be worshipping demons( Rev.9:20), and satan the devil( Rev.13:3-4, and verse 8) through satan's deception( Rev.12:9).

People are worshipping an image( See Rev.13:15) created of the beast nation of a false idol deity called " Baal=lord and gad=god ", and YHWH will not accept such Idolatry worship, but satan the devil does( Rev.9:20; Rev.13:3-4 and verse 8).

Now, was these Gentiles not plainly told to abstain from such sacrifice and praise of image idols to pagan deities?

Otherwise, how could satan the devil deceive the whole world and its inhabitants into worshipping him in THE END TIMES( Rev.12:9; Rev.13:3-4, 8-) through his deception?

If you do not know the TRUE FATHER YHWH'S Name, then how do you know for certain, WHOM you worship and serve ; the TRUE FATHER( YAH)( John 17:11), or the " false father satan"( John 8:44) ?

Did you really study my post on the Baal Gad topic concerning ( Hosea 2:16-17) in detail ?

Now, its your choice WHOM you choose to worship and serve Sir Administrator.

Eliyah C. on the net!


"" For he will turn the heart( Mind) of the fathers to the children, and the heart( Mind) of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.""( Mal.4:6).

[ImAHebrew]

Both uncircumcision and pagan name use is sin.

Shalom Eliyah,

Yes, I do not come out of the woodwork very often, and when I come out, I usually don't stay very long.

I have read extensively what you have written on the use of the Sacred Names and your post on Hosea 2:16-17. There is no argument against your reasoning, it is sin to use pagan names for Elohim, just as it is sin for a Gentile not to be circumcised.

Now, you have quoted Paul and tried to infer that it was not a sin to be uncircumcised:

For Paul said, ""( 1 Cor.7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but( What is something?), but the keeping of the commandments of YHWH( is something). I think that I have cleared that up now.

It is a command of YHWH to be circumcised, both for the native born of Israel and for the stranger which sojourns (Gentiles) (Exo 12:48). It was also a command given to Abraham and ALL of the generations after him that circumcision was required so one would not be CUT OFF:

Gen 17:10-14 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. (11) And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant between me and you. (12) And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. (13) He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. (14) And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

So, if one was compelled to KEEP YHWH's commands, it would seem reasonable that one would be compelled to be circumcised so that one would not be cut off, whether they be Jew or Gentile, wouldn't you agree? Yet, we have a clear reference that a Gentile was not compelled to be circumcised:

Gal 2:3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

This is a giant stumbling block to your reasoning. You need to explain to me how this was not a sin for Titus, when circumcision is clearly commanded by YHWH?

Blessings in The Name,
ImAHebrew

[ImAHebrew]

Please explain Acts 21:25.

Shalom Eliyah,

I also had wanted to hear your explanation of what James and the elders had meant when they told Paul, "we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing." What was the "thing" that the Gentiles need not observe?

Blessings in The Name,
ImAHebrew

[Eliyah]

It is not a stumbling block to me, but it must be for you.

It is not a "" stumbling block to me "" but it must be for you.

I have already given you Paul's own words relating to "" the Gentiles from abstaining FROM BLOOD"", and the blood letting rituals concerning physical circumcission, but you seem to IGNOR it, then that is your problem with the words of Paul.

YHWH will NOT accept spiritual worship sacrifice of those who apply pagan heathen nation's idol deities to HIM such as the pagan idol deity called "" BAAL= LORD and GAD=GOD "", and this is the same spiritual IMAGE deity mentioned in ( Rev.13), as it is Idolatry, and violates ( Exod.20:1-7), which was not part of the ritual ordinaces, but was written by the FINGER of YHWH personally.

You also seem to forget what was said in ( Acts 15:14) of """ Simeon hath declared how YAH( El) at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.""" Well what is his Name ? It is YAH.

Did he say, "" to take out a people for HIS TITLE, or a TITLE" ? No!

Well how can the Gentiles bear HIS NAME, if they are calling on other nation's pagan idol deity title names?

It is very clear WHOM people today are really worshipping and offering spiritual praise of sacrifice to, when they invoke and call on the above mentioned titles of that pagan idol deity, it IS SATAN THE DEVIL( Rev.9:20; Rev.13:3-4,8), for he is the one who does accept such worship.

( 1 Cor.10:21 ) Ye( Gentile or not) cannot drink the cup of YHWH=YAH, and the cup of devils( demons=satan): ye cannot be partakers of YHWH'S table, and of the table of devils( demons=satan's)( See. Rev.9:20; Rev.13:3-4, 8).

Now, you had better please remember this, when you invoke and call on the pagan titles or names of "" lord=baal and gad=god "" idol image deity, you are in fact calling on satan the devil( Rev.9:20; Rev.13:3-4, 8), after that you have received the knowledge of the truth( Hosea 4:6; Heb.10:26).

YHWH will not accept such Idolatry worship by the practice of " syncretisim " of those idol title names applied to Him, as this END TIME world is practicing today in modern churchianity, but satan the devil does.

As I said before, it is your choice WHOM you choose to worship and serve.

Which ONE, is it YHWH ALONE the true sacred FATHER YHWH=YAH( John 17:11), or the false father satan the devil( John 8:44) ?

Now, that is the choice that everyone on this forum is now faced with my friend Sir Administrator.

If you do not know the TRUE FATHER YHWH'S Name, then how do you know for certain, WHOM you worship and serve ; the TRUE FATHER( YAH)( John 17:11), or the " false father satan the devil "( John 8:44) ?

Eliyah C. on the net!

YAH please forgive me for printing those pagan titles, I only printed them for proving truth of your word as you know.


"" For he will turn the heart( Mind) of the fathers to the children, and the heart( Mind) of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.""( Mal.4:6).

[LucySmith]

Yah is not the name of God

Eliyah, you wrote.

YAH please forgive me for printing those pagan titles, I only printed them for proving truth of your word as you know.

i did a small search for Yah, and i found this.


Yah is not the name of God I do not care if it is in Psalms 68:4 as Jah. David did not write Chapter 68. It was written many years after David and perhaps after the return from the exile. Verse 29 speaks of the Temple, something not built until after David's death.

not only that Eliyah is GETS WORSE~!
While many think the name "Iah or Yah" is a sacred name for the true God, the history of it goes back to Egypt. It is not the name of God and it is not an abbreviation of the alleged name Yahweh. We will provide more on this in the links below:

"Yah" is the Egyptian moon god and "Shu(a)" is the Egyptian sky god: http://www.ancient-egypt.org/




[for further reading see = http://jesus-messiah.com/studies/sacred-name.html]

all this confusion and ado is straight from the pit of hell~! AND Eliyah THAT MOON GOD,Yah, needs to go from your life.

[Eliyah]

Huh, then I guess Moses did not use the Name of YAH too?

Lucy dear, there is a whole lot of written rehetorec on this internet concerning pagan nations adopting YAH'S Name and applying it to their deities, but that does not mean that the original scriptures are wrong.

The FIRST place that this short form of the NAME OF "" YAH "" is used and appears in the original Massoretic text of scriptures is in ( Exodus 15:2; Exodus 17:16) when Moses and the Children of Israel sang unto YAH.

BOTH Spying, and I'M A HEBREW the Administrator, very well know this too.

So, go check the original texts, and please don't try to argue your way out of the truth of scriptures from a pagan's stand point.

So, who wrote the book of Exodus ? Was it pagans, or YHWH-YAH through Moses?

Eliyah C. still on the net!

"" For he will turn the heart( Mind) of the fathers to the children, and the heart( Mind) of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.""( Mal.4:6).

[LucySmith]

I am not a pagan, but a child of the Living Abba Father.

Eliyah you wrote under a mis-conception ~!

So, go check the original texts, and please don't try to argue your way out of the truth of scriptures from a pagan's stand point.

for the record I am not a pagan, but BORN AGAIN Christian, filled with the Holy Spirit, who worships the One, the Son of God whose NAME IS ABOVE ALL NAMES.
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Text: Phil 2:5-10

(Phil 2:5-10) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: {6} Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: {7} But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: {8} And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. {9} Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: {10} That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;



''For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6 (ESV)

NOW, that is an amazing thing, that even the OT God's name is no longer really valid, as ANOTHER is even higher in Name.

The Bible says that Jesus has a Name that is above every other Name, that it is the highest Name, the most powerful Name in heaven and in earth—and His Name has been given to us.

A Born again person will receive everything God has provided for us in Jesus through faith in that Name — continual love, peace, joy, healing, prosperity, security, strength to be more than a conqueror in any situation and power to turn our circumstances around.
When we become children of God, everything in that Name belongs to us.~!

Be-coming is a training up by the Holy Spirit, to come out from the dead and be-come alive into Christ~!

I know if you are from a Jewish persuasion you will never see this wonderfull and Holy happening perhaps as there blindness there~! Roms 11.v.25
Only Abba can lift such a veil~!

for ref.

http://www.letusreason.org/sacna5.htm

http://www.letusreason.org/sacna3.htm

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/tlamb/theName.htm

Do people seek ''the name'' for Magic Powers?


"The idea common to all magic is that words, names, and sounds have special powers and this applies particularly to names of gods, angels, and demons. To know the name and how to pronounce it and use it made it possible to utilize its power.
It is an ancient widespread belief that a secret name can have power over everything in the universe.

This belief is especially held by the Jews, and the names of God are frequently used in the practice of magic. This is why the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton is so important. The correct pronunciation is absolutely essential for the working of magic." (The Supernatural Magic, Words, and Numbers, Editorial Consultants: Colin Wilson and Uri Geller, p. 68.)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1611/name41.html

http://www.sacrednamemovement.com/SNHistory.htm

To understand the errors of the Sacred Name Movement, it is well to learn something of the history of this religious persuasion. Who started it? Where did it start? Why were these people interested in the sacred names? How was the sacred names doctrine propagated? Why and how did the sacred name people become fragmented into so many groups? These and other questions come to mind as needing answers, if we are to understand the Sacred Name Movement..

Well I see there is enough info there from a few sources that fails to convince me of sacred names worth.
I shall remain, taught of the Holy Spirit, and be-coming ALIVE from the dead. amen
Only Abba Father,
can reveal His Truth to His people and their path leading into His Kingdom forever. I totally dislike men's carnal thinking, who come off with some type of agenda thinking how great it is, YET that fail to teach, the power of God, and Overcoming all things in Christ~! anything less is a sheer waste of time IMHO

[Eliyah]

Lucy, I never said you were a " pagan ".

I never said you were a " pagan ", but that your believing other people's rhetorec from a pagan stand point.

Are you tryng to DENY that Moses wrote the short form NAME of ""YAH""( Strongs Hebrew Concordance Dictionary Num.3050=YAHH) in ( Exodus 15:2; Exodus 17:16) in the original Hebrew Massoretic Text ?

This has nothing to do with being Jewish or non Jewish.

As I said, BOTH Spying and the Administrator of this forum KNOWS what I said is true concerning ( Exod.15:2; Exod.17:16) and the short form name of " YAH " that is under the pagan title there in the K.J.V.. ASK them?

Eliyah on the net!

"" For he will turn the heart( Mind) of the fathers to the children, and the heart( Mind) of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.""( Mal.4:6).

[LucySmith]

I dont actually care Eliyah about ''sacred names''

Moses is dead.
I am alive..... it is my turn now 2005 and I have to seek things Moses knew only part of and were non-available to him at his time of living.
Moses is dead, I am alive to the tutoring of the Holy Spirit and this way I WILL NEVER DIE~!
I have found true life and it is hidden, IN CHRIST, SAVIOUR of the World and while I learn from His name and the name of Abba Father, i shall proceed on this pathway into the Kingdom of Heaven.,
I do not believe in church~!
nor
I do not believe in the jewish religion~! to me both are cruel, man made and apostate, and have no semblance of a heavenly origin as exampled by the people who profess it~!
But
I do believe when Jesus Christ as His Disciple, Son of the Living God and what HE tells me = NAMELY how to walk inside of His life and be successfull at it. Not that I can boast, God forbid~! but i progress daily, growing up into the Image of Christ the power of God.

now Eliyah, in this process
a whole heap of dead-beat things in me are vanishing, The ghastly laws of sin and death are being made void in me = Ps 110.v.1-4.
a whole heap of garbage of unbelief and fears and doubts and unholy living are passing away and a NEW LIFE of Christ, is emerging within me and I love it. I am no longer who i used to be and i have not yet arrived at who i will be I AM IN transition~ called a metamoorphoo = !into a better thing.

I SEEK LIFE and i shall not stop, till JESUS CHRIST LIFE IS PROGRAMMED into my life and i am dead to myself and my stupid ideas.
now, the sacred name, no matter how appealing it is to you is not to me.
I have read on the net, this morning [my time] of the disaster it is and the fraud it is made up by men, with hidden agendas, that is so scarey to even believe!

So plx, go in peace and believe as you will, i cannot be classed in your belief system as I am escaping from that mindset of religion.

[Eliyah]

Dear lady Lucy..

You should be thinking about searching for not only life, but also the truth of scriptures( not the paganized K.J.V. either), for if one does not call upon the true name of YAH( Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21;Acts 4:10-12; Rom.10:13) then there is no eternal life for that one.

For there is NONE OTHER NAME THAN YAH-SHUA GIVEN FOR SALVATION( Acts 4:10-12).

Eliyah C. on the net!

"" For he will turn the heart( Mind) of the fathers to the children, and the heart( Mind) of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.""( Mal.4:6).

[LucySmith]

IF i didnt get it right, by living in the Truth today,[under the instruction of my Holy Teacher] I would not be where i am today IN Christ. nor would I be able to discern such an error as a sacred name movement you seem to be pushing.,

I look back to the person i was, to the person i will become and the vision is a great blessing to me as the big picture comes into view, and as i observe the 'sods of sin and rebellion' drop off me and fall away like some great miracle of freedom! = all cuz I am getting washed and made whole by the Blood of the Lamb and His righteousness amen and my Husband Christ the Lord is taking such great care of this stroppy lamb as HE tames her fleshy ways.

Eliyah,
why would i jeoparize such a salvation by harboring another OT law, that failed in its work the first time round. So much so NOT one man in thousands of years could keep it , but a divine man sent by Abba Father, had to come to open up a new way of living to redeem men from such sin and death laws that killed them,.

Now i do agree at first glance sacred names seem ''appealing'' to the seeker, but once this can of worms is opened up,,, run for the hills is my advice~!

http://jesus-messiah.com/studies/sacred-name.html

I found this part, particularly distressing, as i read this work.

''Yah is also the goat god with whom also is associated the moon. There is now available a great amount of information on Yah, Yahweh, Jehovah, Yahshua, and many other false names being used for God and Jesus. Do not be deceived by the modern law-keepers and sacred-name Hebrew-roots movements that are full of heresy and who deny the Lord Jesus Christ. ''

again,from this site,

It is the taking of "Yah" as found in the KJV in Psalms 68:4 as "Jah" that begins the subterfuge of creating the false name "Yahshua". In the Psalms text, the word "Jah" is said by Strongs to come from "iah". It is from a false use of this three-lettered word that "Yah" emerges as the first step in the formula of fabricating the name "Yahshua." At this point there is no such name as "Yahshua" it must be fabricated, it is not found once in all of the Word of God in any ancient manuscript.

this site speaks very badly of that 'sacred name movement', with explanations for those interested enough to wonder at this whole messy discussion.
Now like i said before you believe as u will, it is your life~!
However real-Life, found only in Jesus Christ, has been explained to you and you have choosen an older worn-out dispensational system that sent men to their graves, so, so be it. I shall not comment on this thread further.

I have had great battles with others on forums, as they try and introduce heresies, out from their own religious mind.
All divisional church has some sacred cow that is a pet for them, and part of the lie of satan!
They will nurture this religious Pet so that Truth cannot find a place in their heart.,
I also find it amazing, that the USA seems particularly susceptible to such weird and crazy creeds, so much so, it is in plague proportions in that land.
It seems anything goes, any idea of religious-man is acceptable as a crowd gathers around.
A virus ran thru that country approx 1750-1920AD and many people were lost to the vile religious stupid imaginations of men.

The only way, to be a believer and a disciple of Jesus Christ IS TO FOLLOW Him, and all He advises and give all religious-thinking- men, the heave Ho.
amen

I love that wonderfull verse found in Revelation,14, 1- 4
The Father's name written on their foreheads...
what name, ?
The one Jesus said
''ABBA FATHER''.... THE NAME IS HIS NATURE AND CHARACTER BUILT INTO THE MINDS OF HIS REDEEMED. [NOW that will do me anyday, CUZ I KNOW it is the Truth]
These,= the redeemed, have ''followed the Lamb wheresoever He goes'' = His disciples, Learning to be like Himself copying Him as their Lord amen.
That's how it is done, not by saying 'a name, ' [ like a magic sound, ]and still having a black heart of death and sins plus a spade in the hand to dig the grave.

sorry i dont buy that gimmick.
finis~!

[Eliyah]

Lucy dear GO LOOK what Protestants and you have been taught.

Lucy, go LOOK what you and protestant denominations and traditional christianity has taught you, and what you are following.

Take your very slow time and read it ALL carefully dear.

https://www.jesus-is-lord.com/anti8.htm

Eliyah C.

[Eliyah]

Lucy dear, look at this.

Lucy, click on the attachments BELOW, does those old ancient pictures of
"" ZEUS "" not look like your modern day "" JE'SUS "" pictures that you see hanging on peoples walls in their homes, and everywhere in modern church buildings too?


I have tried to warn you dear.

Eliyah on the net!

[LucySmith]

Eliyah, you are MIS-INFORMED

I dont have a pro-test-ant RELIGION
I dont have any brand name church religion.

I HAVE BEEN set free, from their divisional gimmicks and lied to brainwashed teachings and vile sacred cows.

long ago.

WHAT I DO HAVE, is R.E.L.A.T.I.O.N.S.H.I.P with my Saviour husband and I am no longer a harlot-of-religion-of Babylon and believe every man's fables.

MY divine Husband, had mercy upon me, and so NOW HE TAKES CARE of very need.{Ps 23 and Ps 91 ]
I dont care if they hang a picture of their 'jesus' upside down or crossways on their walls. IT IS JUST RELIGION and they still go to the grave
They WORSHIP another god, who bears no semblance to the bible Saviour.
who cares, what they do, in their rebellion~! they are rebels and to be pitied BUT NOT COPIED.

LOOK at the words
GRAVE
and
GRACE

IT IS THE '''C''' for Christ, that makes all the differnce in destinations.

[ImAHebrew]

Eating meat which was sacrificed to an idol is sin.

Shalom Eliyah,

I'm not certain that you are reading as carefully as you should. I had agreed with you that using pagan names was sin, and it appears you are still trying to convince me of it.

You bring up the issue of sacrificing to idols (1 Cor 10) to convince me that pagan name use is sin, and I am in agreement with you, it is sin, so why not stop trying to convince me, and answer my questions from the previous posts? (About Titus and about the "thing" of Acts 21:25???)

And now I have another question for you, since you have brought up the issue of sacrificing to idols, why do you think Paul told the Corinthians to go ahead and eat meat that had been sacrificed to an idol (1 Cor 10:25), since it was an obvious sin to do so?

Blessings in The Name,
ImAHebrew