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**israelthebride** · 05-28-2005, 01:13 PM

The Same Rules

Before we start on LIFE,
let's define what is the cause of living "death".
Here YHSHWH DEFINES how one should LIVE
and how one could die.
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The Same LAW For All

Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel;
Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us,
and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD,
I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked;
but that the wicked turn from his way and live:
turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die,
O house of Israel?

Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people,
The righteousness of the righteous
shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression:
as for the wickedness of the wicked,
he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness;
neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness
in the day that he sinneth.

When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live;
if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity,
all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered;
but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Again, when I say unto the wicked,
Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin,
and do that which is lawful and right;
If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed,
walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity;
he shall surely live, he shall not die.
None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him:
he hath done that which is lawful and right;
he shall surely live.

Yet the children of thy people say,
The way of the Lord is not equal:
but as for them, their way is not equal.
When the righteous turneth from his righteousness,
and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
But if the wicked turn from his wickedness,
and do that which is lawful and right,
he shall live thereby.
Yet ye say,
The way of the Lord is not equal.
O ye house of Israel,
I will judge you every one after his ways.
EZEK 33:10-20

“…I will judge you every one after his ways.”
EZEK 33:20b

And, behold, I come quickly;
and my reward is with me,
to give every man according as his work shall be.
REV 22:12

The same rules still apply. (click)

LOVE,
RICOEL
The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

**Spying** · 05-29-2005, 06:33 AM

How Do You Tip The Scale?

Hi Israelthebride,

Thank you for your reply, and thank you for the scale and balance.

The doing of righteousness brings life.

Transgression brings death.

How do you view yourself? Do you deem yourself worthy of life?

I'm curious. Your comment about living "death" makes me wonder whether you view your life as belonging on the transgression side of the scale. If so, then you surely will die as YAHWEH ELOHIM has indicated and declared through the prophet Ezekiel.

Sincerely, Ab

**Spying** · 05-30-2005, 05:56 AM

Looking For A Few Dreamers!

Hi Everyone,

At one time life in the flesh was greatly extended. This extended life was reduced at the time of Noah because of the evil hearts of men.

Can our hearts be purified? Can the corrupted spirit within man be cleansed and renewed?

We live; we de!

Sounds like we need a savior!

Many say that a savior has come. Has anything changed? We live; we die!

The wages of sin is death, but what of life. Is life a wage of righteousness?

Everyone that you have known in your life has died, and you really don't expect it to be any different for you yourself, do you? What a shame!

Allow me this liberty of preaching to you: You all need to learn how to dream!

Sincerely, Ab

**Spying** · 05-31-2005, 07:00 AM

Why Waste Your Time?

Hi Everyone,

If the performance of righteousness is a fountain of life, and it surely is, and if the performance of sin is a fountain of death, and it surely is, then sin is a complete waste of time. Why are folks so eager to waste their precious time?

Sincerely, Ab

**Spying** · 06-02-2005, 02:32 PM

Choose Life!

Hi Everyone,

You all are willing to waste the life that is available to you because of your lack of faith. You do not believe in the promise of life so naturally you all have chosen death for yourselves.

But as for me and my house, we choose life according to the exhortation and admonishment of Moses:

Deuteronomy 30:19
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Doing the Torah, performing the Law, it is life.

You know, it is not to late to change you mind. Why settle for death?

Sincerely, Ab

**Spying** · 06-04-2005, 06:22 AM

Immortals!

Hi Everyone,

How many billions of people now live on this earth? How many have lived and died between Messiah Yahushua and the present? How many billions do now claim to believe in Adonai Yahushua?

Messiah said:

John 11:26
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Either Messiah is a liar, or there exist no actual believers in Messiah Yahushua! He who lives and believes shall never die. Your death, the death of those that you have known, death, save for martyrdom, proves one's unbelief!

Are there any that have believed? Yes! I call them immortals!

Are there others who now believe? Yes, there are a few, and I am one of them! How about you?

Sincerely, Ab

**israelthebride** · 06-04-2005, 03:16 PM

[quote]JN 11:25 Jesus said unto her,
I am the resurrection, and the life:
he that believeth in me, though he were dead,
yet shall he live:
JN 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me
shall never die.
Believest thou this?[quote]

YES!!!
I will never die.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Spying** · 06-05-2005, 08:36 AM

Good For You!

Hi Israelthebride,

Well said!

Adonai said:

John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

It is exceedingly good to be known by Adonai Yahushua!

Sincerely, Ab

**Spying** · 06-05-2005, 09:42 AM

Who are the "We"?

Hi Everyone,

HaSatan convinced our first mother, Eve, that she would not die. Then HaSatan convinced the post Apostolic Church that they would not live. Both are deceptions. Begin to believe in the possibility of life. Seek it out with a whole heart. Let nothing turn you aside. This was my path.

The Holy Scriptures teach life now! Understand that secret, and locked doors shall open for you as you begin to obey!

Paul wrote to the Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 15:51
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Paul was writing to Corinthian believers. Who was the "we" to whom Paul refers? Do you see the possibility of the existence of the immortals here in this verse?

Please, I exhort you all to change the manner in which you view your perception of the Holy Scriptures. Quit following HaSatan's thinking and teaching about eternal life. Satan wants you all to die without the slightest realization that life is possible now!

Sincerely, Ab

**Thummim** · 06-05-2005, 11:27 AM

YHWH touching death?

...Spying, let me chuck a rock at your faith that life somehow belongs to the dead among men. Does GD ever touch death? Doesn't death defile the holy? This concept forms a border between life and death that GD will not cross. It must be believed that one cannot die and return to GD. The spirit is living and it returns to GD as a living spirit in the same way that the breath of GD left his being {without touching death?}. When GD made promises to Abraham, he made them to Abraham and his seed. Seed is a living thing. Seed is always flesh. So flesh inherits GD's promises that exist between Abraham and GD, and the covenant GD made with Abraham. The promised land belongs to flesh as does GD's covenant. Death inherits nothing. Neither does ones spirit need any promises of salvation to return it to GD. The law also only belongs to flesh.

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

...The law only belongs to flesh. Death is what all flesh fears. So death becomes the penalty for breaking the law. All bodies of law need a prison to enforce them. Without a prison, the law is only scorned by evil men. The law is not given as a curse. It is given as a blessing to the living. Without it, flesh suffers at the hands of human will. Without laws for possession and conduct, wouldn't the world revert to it's preflood state? So GD created for his people a body of law to be a blessing to the lawfull and curse to the lawless. GD set up life and death. The JEWish people are blessed by this body of law. It not only gives us a lawful life to live, but it also gives us an identity that christians have openly assaulted. If we JEWs are to believe that christians are not under the law of Moses, that is only because this law doesn't belong to them and never did. But lacking a law of some type, all christians are cursed just the same by lawlessness. Would you want to open all prisons and let the lawbreakers who occupy the prisons loose upon your world?

...Now we can understand some of the reasoning behind Deut. chapter 28. Blessing or curse, which one do we want to live with? Will we live lawlessly and be cursed or will we live in the law and be covered by the blessing that the law contains? Death is only for the living to fear. The dead are beyond GD's touch. But being in GD's Name doesn't allow death to touch its bearer. The Name of YHWH is GD's Name. Because GD will not touch death, those who bear his Name also will not be touched by death. YHWH is a living Name. YHWH is the Name of the JEWish soul when a single letter is added {thummim?}. Only if GD would "cut off" from his Name one its members, can death ever touch him. So life belongs to those who have a place in GD's Name, and to those whose spirits returns to GD. Slaughter is not the faith of the JEWish people. Hashem is. It is christians that believe that blood atones for ones sin of breaking GD's law. It doesn't. It is christians that believe that blood atones for willful and deliberate sin. Again it doesn't. {see Nu. 15: 24 - 31} Blood bathes the holy, setting up a border between life and death, between the clean and the profane. GD and his people are always kept on one side of this border between life and death. The priests maintain the border. But they are not given the power to forgive the peoples sins. This only GD can do. This forgiveness is a key to the prison that the law sets up. It is because GD has already said that, "it will be forgiven", that a transgression is forgiven by a priesty act.

...The blood of {Jesus} atones for nothing but his own sins under the law. But if connected to GD's Name, how would he even touch death? Unless you weed out those who have assaulted the Name of YHW{d}H "Yahudah" from among your christian faithful, no christian will ever gain access to YHWH's Name through {Jesus}. If GD could toss one JEW into the pit of his wrath for the evil done to his people and his Name, and turn them away from further defiling his Name, why wouldn't he do so? The body of {Jesus} is filled with corruption. There is no more evil faith with more JEWish blood upon it then that of christianity. Will christians ever clean their house and truly become friendly towards GD's Name {borne by the tribe of Judah}? Will they ever except that the JEWish people are not separated from YHWH by refusing {Jesus}? The Name of GD is upon all GD's people. But GD could just "cut it off" from his Name I suppose.

...For the evil that hides in the Name of {Jesus}, Ker..plunk!!!, It makes a simple solution.

....Michael

**Spying** · 06-08-2005, 05:36 AM

Whose Torah Is It Anyway?

Hi Thummim,

...The law only belongs to flesh

Genesis 26:5
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

You have established in your post that ELOHIM is a spirit. If ELOHIM refers to the Torah as HIS own, why do you say that the Torah only belongs to the flesh?

Sincerely, Ab

**Thummim** · 06-08-2005, 10:53 AM

What is seed "gera" anyway?

...Spying writes;

You have established in your post that ELOHIM is a spirit. If ELOHIM refers to the Torah as HIS own, why do you say that the Torah only belongs to the flesh?

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...Spying, who gains from Abraham's covenant with GD? To whom is this covenant to be given to after Abraham's death? Isn't Isaac's birthline flesh, and doesn't the land of Israel belong to flesh? What can a spirit do with the land of Israel? Without the land of Israel, a condition of this covenant existing, there is no covenant. Abraham is shown the land that his seed {through Isaac} will inherit.

...Now who can be imprisoned by the terms of the curses writen up in Deut. 28? Aren't all these things to be the inheritance of flesh for foregoing the terms of GD's covenant? So GD creates a prison for his law to allow it to be respected. All law has a prison to inforce it. But the prison only holds flesh in it. The prison is not for those who keep the law. And GD's forgiveness only can belong to the lawbreaker. Also there is no key to these prison doors except through the forgiveness of the transgression by GD. One cannot make any atonement to GD of blood to expiate the breaking of GD's law. That is what Nu. 15: 30, 31 says. So GD's forgiveness of his people's sins is necessary. This frees the flesh of the lawbreakers from the prison that threatens the body of Israel and its seed. Close the womb and the covenant dies on that day, just as Adam {his body} died on the day that he sinned against GD. Time will tell.

...Without a body to pair with, how would a spirit inhabit this side of life? Blood is only life to flesh. If Blood is life, then flesh is the natural heir. If GD didn't want to bless flesh, why did he create it? It wasn't to curse it.

...The torah belongs to its readers who are under its law, and it is flesh that can study it and be bound by it. Death free's one from the terms of the covenant. The dead do not read the torah. The dead need not keep the law. The dead cannot inherit the land of Israel.

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10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.

11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?

12 Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness {death}?

13 But unto thee have I cried, O YHWH; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent {summon} thee. Ps. 88: 10 - 13

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....Michael

**Spying** · 06-09-2005, 06:38 AM

To Whom Do All Things Belong?

Hi Thummim,

You are wrong about the dead. The dead are subject to the demands of the Torah. This is why there is a resurrection of the dead. The Torah demands it.

The Torah belonged to YAHWEH ELOHIM before it was given to Abraham. Then the Torah was also given to the Children of Israel. How can anyone give to others what they do not possess? So the Torah still belongs to YAHWEH ELOHIM:

Ezekiel 20:11-12
11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.
12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am YAHWEH that sanctify them.

Since the Torah belongs to ELOHIM, we can rightly conclude that the Torah still has application for HIM!

Psalm 11:7
7 For the righteous YAHWEH loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

YAHWEH ELOHIM always acts in accordance with HIS Torah. Should you develop a desire to live, Thummim, you might pause to consider that fact!

Sincerely, Ab

**Thummim** · 06-09-2005, 09:11 AM

The dead are dead and GD doesn't touch death.

...Spying posts;

You are wrong about the dead. The dead are subject to the demands of the Torah. This is why there is a resurrection of the dead. The Torah demands it.

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...Really? Show me were the dead are called to obey the law of GD in the tanakh. Aren't you just bleeding out a little bit of christianity here? YHWH is the GD of the living. He is the living GD, the GD of life. He takes the life that he gave back to himself. The dead are given to the grave. To say that death is subject to GD's law is to say that death has a part in GD's covenant. Life and death must be separated from each other or else one defiles the other. GD assaults death.

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19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? {should they speak} for the living to the dead?

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isa. 8: 19, 20

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46 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a censer, and put fire therein from off the altar, and put on incense, and go quickly unto the congregation, and make an atonement for them: for there is wrath gone out from YHWH; the plague is begun.

47 And Aaron took as Moses commanded, and ran into the midst of the congregation; and, behold, the plague was begun among the people: and he put on incense, and made an atonement for the people.

48 And he stood between the dead and the living; and the plague was stayed. Nu. 16: 46 - 48

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4 I am counted with them that go down into the pit: I am as a man that hath no strength:

5 Free among the dead, like the slain that lie in the grave, whom thou rememberest no more: and they are cut off from thy hand. Ps. 88: 4, 5

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...Spying, death defiles GD. The dead are free from the law. They are dead and forgotten. It is the living who are connected to GD's covenant that are bound by GD's law.

....Michael

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