Grace

[israelthebride]

I was asked if I would speak of GRACE
according to my belief and understanding.
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GRACE is a GIFT from YHSHWH

YHSHWH was GOD
in the TORAH and PROPHET BOOKS of the Old COVENANTS.
YHSHWH is GOD in the Letters of the New COVENANT.
YHSHWH will be GOD in all HIS COVENANTS to HIS PEOPLE.
YHSHWH was, is, and will be GOD FOREVER.
YHSHWH is the same from the beginning to the end
of HIS PLAN for HIS CREATION.

HIS CREATION messed up (1st man and woman)
by making a decision on their own without YHSHWH.
They made the decision on their own
because they knew
that they were not supposed to even make that decision.
This is sin.

YHSHWH SACRIFICED an animal (I believe a lamb),
instead of killing the man and woman for their sin,
and placed it's innocent skin on them,
covering their nakedness (sin) towards GOD YHSHWH.
(Genesis 3:21)
YHSHWH PROMISED that the "SEED" (singular) of the woman
would come to destroy the evil spirit in the serpent.

This is the reason ABEL'S SACRIFICE (a lamb) was accepted.
ABEL was offering to GOD YHSHWH
what GOD YHSHWH had done for us.
A SACRIFICE that SAVED our lives.
(Genesis 4:2-5)

I believe that YHSHWH, HIMSELF as MESSIAH (the SEED),
came to take the place of that SACRIFICED LAMB.
(Gal. 3:27)
YHSHWH REDEEMED us from the death
that was deserved because of sin.
This is HIS GIFT of GRACE
from the first deadly sin.
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Now,
GOD, YHSHWH, came and denying HIS ALMIGHTINESS,
became a human (the SEED) indwelled by HIS HOLY SPIRIT.
As we should.
We are to deny "self" and submit to HIS HOLY SPIRIT.

In this submission
is where we are choosing (believing)
HIS SACRIFICE, as our's.

To deny HIS HOLY SPIRIT,
to make a decision without HIM (YHSHWH),
is a sin.
HIS HOLY SPIRIT in us is HIS LAW in us.
We are to submit to HIS SPIRIT/LAW in us.
Each one us is responsible for our own sin.
No more will sin be passed on.


In those days they shall say no more,
The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
But every one shall die for his own iniquity:
every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel,
and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them,
saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
JER 31:29-33


HIS GRACE from the 1st/original sin gets us to HIS JUDGEGMENT.
Any unconfessed sin, after accepting HIS HOLY SPIRIT in us,
is due to be JUDGED.

HIS GRACE is sufficient on confessed sin.

1JN 1:8-10
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

There is sin in us.

If we confess our sins,
he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

In HIS GRACE, HE FORGIVES us.

If we say that we have not sinned,
we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

We have sinned.
That is why we need YHSHWH our SAVIOR.
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So now, we are responsible for our own actions.

Little children, let no man deceive you (tell you different):
he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed (singular) remaineth in him:
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his brother.

For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,
that we should love one another.
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.
And wherefore slew he him?
Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
1JN 3:7-12

We are to not sin.
As YHSHWH SAID, "Go and sin no more."
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WHO will JUDGE us?

Jesus cried and said,
He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
I am come a light into the world,
that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not:
for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him:
the word that I have spoken,
the same (the WORD) shall judge him in the last day.
JN 12:44-48
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Remember,
YHSHWH'S GRACE is sufficient for HIS SALVATION
because

If we confess our sins,
he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1John 1:9

LOVE, RICOEL

[israelthebride]

And the Spirit and the bride say,
Come. And let him that heareth say,
Come. And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will,
let him take the water of life freely.
REV 22:17

GRACE is YHSHWH’S HOLY WATER
that will never run dry.
All one has to do is ask to drink HIS WATER.
The asking is in seeking and confessing.
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There is a River
(click for music)

There is a river that flows from deep within.
There is a fountain that frees the soul from sin.
Come to these waters, there is a vast supply.
There is a river that never shall run dry.

There came a sound from Heaven, like a mighty rushing wind.
It filled their hearts with singing and gave them peace within.
The Master gave this promise, the Spirit will descend
And from your inner being a river with no end.

There came a thirsty woman, who was drawing from a well.
Her life was ruined and wasted, her soul was bound for Hell.
But then she met the Master, who told of her great sin
And if you’ll drink this water, you’ll never thirst again.

There is a river that flows from God above.
There is a fountain, that’s filled with His great love.
Come to the water, there is a vast supply.
There is a river, that never shall run dry.
That never shall run dry.
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YHSHWH LOVES YOU
and is WILLING to FORGIVE YOU
because HE has SAVED YOU for HIMSELF.

YOU are HIS WILL.
LOVE, RICOEL

[Spying]

Why Is Sin In The Plan Of ELOHIM?

Hi Israelthebride,

Thank you for your speaking. There is much deception and misinformation about grace.

How certain are you that the Creation is not exactly following the plan of ELOHIM? In other words, what chance did Adam and Eve have not to sin? Did they both really have free choice in their action, or were they destined to sin if the creation was indeed subjected to vanity? (Romans 8:20)

In asking these questions, I have skipped over your first paragraph about the nature of Yahushua because if possible, I would like to discuss grace with you first.

Sincerely, Ab

[israelthebride]

Did they both really have free choice in their action,
or were they destined to sin if the creation was indeed subjected to vanity?

In this statement,
you are saying that YHSHWH CREATED us to sin - to be damned.
Why would any CREATOR CREATE to destroy?
So, that HE could SAVE us?
We were with HIM before sin.

No, we are not destined to sin.
Choice in us gives us the option to sin.
YHSHWH'S hope is that none should perish.
Are you saying that you are destined to sin?
YHSHWH SAYS, "Go and sin no more."

As CREATOR to not destroy us,
after we have sinned (chosen against HIM),
is sufficient GRACE.
In HIS GRACE, we are able to confess our sin to HIM.
YHSHWH is FAITHFUL to FORGIVE our sin, if we confess our sin to HIM.

I will choose YHSHWH when I AM tempted.
Temptation is allowed by YHSHWH for us to turn to HIM,
not for us to sin.
We are too selfish to keep turning to HIM on our own.

YHSHWH'S DESIRE is that
WE BE HIS PEOPLE
and
HE BE our GOD-FOREVER.

LOVE, RICOEL

[Spying]

covering their nakedness (sin) towards GOD YHSHWH

Hi Israelthebride,

I ask a very simple question of you the truthful answer of which has the capacity to begin to enlighten the understanding on this issue. Did ELOHIM create Adam and Eve naked?

Sincerely, Ab

[israelthebride]

Did ELOHIM create Adam and Eve naked?

Yes, YHSHWH CREATED the first human (male and female) naked.
Later, they were cut (from their side) and became a man and a woman;
both still naked.
(Genesis 1:26-28, 2:21-23)

[Spying]

Apron Making?

Hi Israelthebride,

Yes, Adam and Eve were created naked, and they had absolutely no knowledge of their nakedness, did they? When did they acquire an awareness of their nakedness? We understand that they acquired this awareness through eating of the forbidden tree.

When Adam and Eve hid themselves from YAHWEH ELOHIM in the Garden, they did so because they knew that they were naked:

Gen 3:10
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. (KJV)

This nakedness made mentioned by Adam here is spiritual! Both Adam and Eve had already covered themselves with aprons which they had constructed so neither Adam nor Eve were naked in a physical sense when Adam makes mention of his nakedness to YAHWEH:

Gen 3:7
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.(KJV)

Thus, through their sin Adam and Eve did much more that just acquire an awareness of their physical state. They more importantly acquired an awareness of their original spiritual nature, and they attempted to hide this nature by clothing themselves.

Christianity is still engaged in apron making down to this very day.

If Christianity has no correct understanding of the original nature of Adam and Eve, why should I trust Christianity's concept of grace to be my apron?

Sincerely, Ab

[israelthebride]

Nakedness is "nothing".
Even though they were "physically" covered,
they were still in sin (with nothing/naked).

"In sin (going against what YHSHWH SAYS),
I found myself with nothing
so,
I hid myself in shame."

YHSHWH SAYS (in PAIN), "What have you done?"

GRACE is not christian.
YHSHWH'S SAYS that HE is FULL of GRACE.

GEN 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

GEN 47:29 And the time drew nigh that Israel must die: and he called his son Joseph, and said unto him, If now I have found grace in thy sight, put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh, and deal kindly and truly with me; bury me not, I pray thee, in Egypt:

EX 33:12 And Moses said unto the LORD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.
EX 33:13 Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, show me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.

EX 33:16 For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.
EX 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

EX 34:9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O LORD, let my LORD, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.

NUM 32:5 Wherefore, said they, if we have found grace in thy sight, let this land be given unto thy servants for a possession, and bring us not over Jordan.

JUDG 6:17 And he said unto him, If now I have found grace in thy sight, then show me a sign that thou talkest with me.

2SAM 16:4 Then said the king to Ziba, Behold, thine are all that pertained unto Mephibosheth. And Ziba said, I humbly beseech thee that I may find grace in thy sight, my lord, O king.

EZRA 9:8 And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage.

PS 45:2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.

PS 84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.

PROV 1:9 For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.

PROV 3:22 So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.

PROV 3:34 Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.

PROV 22:11 He that loveth pureness of heart, for the grace of his lips the king shall be his friend.

JER 14:21 Do not abhor us, for thy name's sake, do not disgrace the throne of thy glory: remember, break not thy covenant with us.

JER 31:2 Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

ZECH 4:7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

ZECH 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

GRACE is YHSHWH'S COVERING of our sin.
The LAMB was slain and it's innocent skin
is to cover our sin (my TALLIT) in HIS EYES.
YHSHWH COMPLETED HIS GRACE on the TREE.
HE took the LAMB'S PLACE.
YHSHWH is our FINAL SACRIFICE.

Now,
the TREE (CROSS) is the only place that we can meet YHSHWH.
We are to carry HIS CROSS/our CROSS and offer it to YHSHWH
as HIS FINAL SACRIFICE.

Once one believes that YHSHWH has the POWER
to accomplish HIS FINAL SACRIFICE that brings us to HIM
and
that HE, and only HE, can GIVE us GRACE, in abundance,
because HE is the only ONE that is LOVE,
one is absorbed into HIS PLAN.

HIS PLAN is to accomplish all HIS COVENANTS,
from the FIRST to the NEWEST.
Find what the 4 CUPS of the PASSOVER SEDER stand for
and you will know HIS PLAN.

YHSHWH is GOD ALMIGHTY and HE is in CONTROL.
HIS PLAN will be accomplished.
STAY with YHSHWH.

LOVE, RICOEL

[Spying]

Our Created Nature!

Hi Israelthebride,

Nakedness before ELOHIM is much more than "nothing". Nakedness is that quality or state that has been or is now in full rebellion against ELOHIM. Adam and Eve were created naked, and HaSatan was more naked then any other beast of the field so we should be able to rightly conclude what being naked actually does represent in a spiritual sense. Adam and Eve were made flesh, and the scripture plainly says that flesh is in enmity against ELOHIM because the flesh will not submit to the Law or Torah of ELOHIM:

Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against ELOHIM: for it is not subject to the law of ELOHIM, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please ELOHIM. (KJV)

Moreover, scripture plainly teaches that Torah or Law is not given to those who are righteous, those who are clothed; rather, the Law is given to the unrighteous, the unclothed, the naked:

1 Tim 1:9-10
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind (Homosexuals), for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (KJV)

So, the very fact that ELOHIM gave Adam and Eve a commandment against eating of the Tree implies that they were already eating from the Tree in a spiritual sense. Through disobedience, however, they both learned their created nature.

Now, we should rightly ask: Why would ELOHIM create man against Himself?

Sincerely, Ab

[israelthebride]

I agree with everything that you posted.
We must be agreeing, but not understanding each other.

Why would ELOHIM create man against Himself?

So, that man would have a choice
to submit
or
not to submit
to YHSHWH.

YHSHWH'S TRUE BODY will be those who CHOSE
to submit to HIS WAYS (SALVATION - WORD/LAW)
and
to submit to BE HIS.

LOVE, RICOEL

[Spying]

Can Those In The Flesh Choose To Please ELOHIM?

Hi Israelthebride,

Thank you for the favor or grace that you bestow upon me. You also have found favor with me. I am delighted with your new forum. I become a member of your forum family in order to show my support for you. I am honored that you would consider having me serve on your Council of Ten, and I am considering. I can scarcely keep up with my duties at this forum, but we will see:

http://64.246.11.123/users5/bodyofmessiah/index.cgi

I am somewhat reluctant to post at the Body of Messiah because I do not desire to cause you trouble with those that have come to you from Completely Calm. I was banned from that forum.

Anyways, I am glad that you agree with my last post on this thread. That post as far as I know is the truth. In the past I have described the created state of Adam and Eve in this fashion: Imperfect Innocence!

If Adam and Eve were created flesh, and flesh cannot please ELOHIM, how is it that you say that they were created to have a choice? Are you saying that the possibility existed that Adam and Eve would not have eaten from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Sincerely, Ab