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  • beseder
    for you to call Judah a harlot as if this were true in her current state is a lie and you do not have any knowledge of the sufferings that Ezra, Nehemiah, and Zerubavel had went through to make sure that Judah ended her prostitution.

    Thus what you said is Slander against Jews (Judah) and the prosecuter in the world to come will indeed prosecute you in the same manner- midah keneged midah (Measure for measure)- in Similar/like manner as you have placed judgment!

    AND everything he taught was pure pharisaism!

    His words are exactly what the pharisees taught!
    Even more- to be more specific- from the pharisees, his words are exactly as the ancient Hassidim had taught!
    But you negate this- you have not studied THE MASORAH (commonly called "besurah" and "Gospel").

    I am giving you great hints every where- for you do to the study- yet I am positive that you actually have not done such great work in searching to see if what I say is true.

    You have known where I was, and where I have come from-
    THINK ABOUT WHY I defend and uphold pharisaism so greatly!

    but I say that the first thing you need to do is figure out the secret of guarding your words/tongue- if you find this out then you will master the sins of the flesh...
    I suggest some good reading- try the Chafetz Chayyim.

    Then what you will find out is that the DOERS of what Mashiach is are those that have a redemption!

    And hence, it seems that you still have a christians view on this matter- please- do more study.

    shalom u'brachot,

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  • Spying
    Hard Pressed!

    Hi Beseder,

    YAHWEH ELOHIM entered into a marriage relationship with Israel when she was delivered from Egypt so Israel is both the wife and mother. Circumcision and the Sabbath Day are the wedding rings of that marriage. The marriage vows of the wife and mother is the whole TORAH.

    Both the House of Judah and the House of Israel did not keep their vows, and many refused to wear their rings. Judaism is a harlot, and she has daughters who are harlots. She was not a chaste wife so how will YAHWEH acknowledge as HIS own that which is born of her? I am thinking here of traditional Christianity and Islam! Even more so, how will YAHWEH bring back to his bed a whore who has brought forth the bastards of another?

    The House of Israel was divorced by YAHWEH for her unfaithfulness. She lost her identity, and all those who come forth from her belly are the seed of another husband.

    It appears that YAHWEH is hard pressed in his present circumstances. HIS choices for a relationship have both rejected his authority. Both have entered into relationships with Satan. What is YAHWEH to do?

    Sincerely, Ab

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  • Spying
    The Older Brother?

    Hi Israelthebride,

    I vehemently object to the idea that the present House of Judah or Judaism is the older brother who is the one at home. To be sure, Paul and all the Apostles were Jews, and they considered themselves through Messiah Yahushua to be the true manifestation of Judaism. As Messiah built them into a Holy Temple, their home, Gentiles were added as stones of this Temple. These Gentiles were the descendents of the House of Israel. They were the lost sheep who had lost their way and identity, and thus the two sticks were banded together in the Apostolic Temple. These Gentiles were found primarily through the work of Paul whose fire (light, Acts 2:3) atop his mountain at the farthermost border of Israel shines into all the Diaspora. Messiah and Paul are our older brothers as well as all the brothers and sisters of the first Temple, and they are gaining (Philippians 1:21) through us, that is, through their spirits which are being resown in us. Let us bear fruit for them as is the duty of the younger brother.

    Sincerely, Ab

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  • beseder
    Those who know His Majesty Yeshuah as Messiah have a chance.

    However, if they have not the Jewish Spark- they will never enter, unless they are very exceptional- and there have been very exceptional gentiles.

    The Jews have been dispersed all over the earth- thus, this is the REASON and a HOW to gather back ALL the dispersed lights back into the WHOLE- the source- Back into Judah.
    As Thummim clearly shows that Judah is a mother (NOT FATHER) to Israel; so indeed Judah holds the life- holds in her womb- Israel.

    Judah gives birth to it- and those who are not in Judaism are not it.

    But again, there are those who will have the merit to see Israel be born and have part in its peace.

    Some of these will be christians, and moslems, and buddists and etc.

    So, those in the getile world who know Yeshuah as Messiah and attach themselves to Yeshuah's Judaism-
    which I have shown it to be Pharisaic-Rabbinical Judaism, will no doubt be Israel- the regathered spark.

    shalom shabbat u'brachot,

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  • israelthebride
    started a topic Who is Divorced from YHSHWH?

    Who is Divorced from YHSHWH?

    Who is Divorced from YHSHWH?

    This is what I believe.
    This is my understanding.

    JER 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

    According to YHSHWH'S WORD, ISRAEL is the one that was divorced (out in the wilderness).
    JUDAH, in unbelief, broke away.
    Then, HE came to reclaim HIS ISRAEL as MESSIAH.

    According to HIS WORD, speaking to JACOB'S PEOPLE,

    IS 50:1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.

    JER 3:8b …yet her (Israel’s) treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

    YHSHWH did not divorce JACOB'S PEOPLE (I believe JUDAH).

    Branches were broken off because of unbelief. They broke themselves away because of unbelief.

    JUDAH is with YHSHWH, but is unbelieving. (the brother at home)
    ISRAEL is lost and though, knowing HIM as MESSIAH, will not listen as to who they are. (the brother in the "wilderness")

    All BELIEVERS, from all the Tribes and all the nations,
    will be grafted onto the HOLY OLIVE TREE/ISRAEL.

    Don't worry
    "...all of ISRAEL will BE SAVED..."

    The Two BRANCHES
    were broken off
    YHSHWH’S OLIVE TREE. (Jeremiah 11:16)

    They are the two that are
    the BRANCHES
    that will come together. (Romans 11)

    They are the Two BRANCHES
    that are prophesised to become ONE.
    (Zechariah 4) (Revelation 11)

    (Think: the “older brother” is at home)

    Here is a parable:


    There are two TRUE SONS.
    SON ONE is at “home”
    trying to follow ABBA'S RULES.

    SON TWO is in the "far country" (wilderness)
    but doesn't know what to do with it - how to use it.

    SON TWO will find out
    what to do with his INHERITANCE
    and will go “home”.

    SON ONE will find out
    who his brother is
    and, hesitantly, join SON TWO.

    They will remember
    ABBA, the ONE they hurt (pierced).

    They will mourn for one day.

    coming out of unbelief (the wilderness),
    in sackcloth (from mourning),
    they will begin their TRUE MINISTRY.