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    I am posting here cause my post registered but i have been having problems with it since it got to the higher numbers. I am just going to repost and let it continue on.

    By the way i thought i would add that you are right Ishasha my ability to describe my Father thus far has been vague at best but i apologize i tend to be a bit cryptic about somethings. That being one of them maybe because it took me a long time to figure out those things so sharing is a bit difficult. But never the less

    Hello all

    Still no reply from Deanne or Spying....

    Umm yes the post pretty much does agree with me but i do see where were trying to converge the two schools of thought. Set was the only one strong enough for the boat of a million years and Heru was crowned king. Heru-Ur or the elder Heru the brother of Set the one who was held on equal grounds stood for basically the same thing the only difference being that he was order or law and Set was chaos. Chaos doesn't make a good king but Order does, however both are necessary. The chaos i think is most signified by Set's control of the Storms. Other than that not much i can say your friend is wise and sounds pretty close on the money to me. I have a few other thoughts and theories i have been kicking around for quite some time now but nothing worth sharing yet. So until later or i can solidify something more in my head

    For it is He before Whom the Sky Shakes- Set


  • #2
    Shalom Everyone,

    Dear Bratu, please forgive the time lapse. I had dear sisters and a brother come to see me from canada. Truly, they were "Yah sent". My time had to be devoted to my guests. They left just Sunday. Im sure you understand.

    I do hope you are well today.

    I am not aware of the Egyptian "Scriptures" being translated or spread to the 4 corners. As far as "self fulfilling prophecy" goes. The fact is, thousands of years later the Holy Bible is world wide. And it is not only due to the "inquisition", that was only a "part" of the world. The mercinaries and missionaries, were not oppressive in any way. And though chrisitanity has spread their "interpertation" of these scriptures, which I believe to be in error... The fact is ... it is the Holy Bible that is available to anyone in the world. The only book I know of that is even free in many places such as hotels or hospitals. And is in almost every home wether or not they read it.
    As stated earlier, the "interpertation" of these scriptures has been in error, but none the less, the "scriptures" themselves have been made available like no other. I believe this has something to do with the statement "When the fullness of the gentiles is come..."

    For it was the "Gentiles" that did the leg work of spreading it, not the jews. It speaks of after the fullness of the gentiles, then Israel will return.
    We now have "messanic" synogogues going up left and right, and this has been never before in history. But notice "Jews" as a general rule are not receiving the "Jesus" of the world, but > "Yahshua" of the Scriptures. And there is a difference. This, man could not have planned.

    But again... these are just "physical" manifestations of much deeper understandings. The name "Israel" means; "Yah prevails". All who believe that Yah shall prevail over all things, including themselves... are indeed "Israel". The gentiles are those that either do not beieve in Yah at all, or believe Yah exists, but the outcome is up to them. There is much to be said on the "meaning" of names, rather then the "translation" of a name.

    >>"The golden rule holds special place to the weak" <<

    My, my, we really were not feeling well, were we. (smile).
    But just in case you truly believe this... by the golden rule, I assume you mean "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you".
    Do you really believe this holds special place to "weak" people? I have "moved" all of my life. Never went to a school for a full year until my senior year. Went to 3 and 4 schools per year often. Have met and spent the night with, and had much dealing with all kinds of people, and their parents. It has been my experience, (and I have had more then most) that when it comes to people... the "weakest" people, are quite selfish. They are the ones who complain and whine the most.

    The golden rule is "for" them, as it is "for" anyone with any depth. The old saying "what goes around comes around", I found to be quite true. Even for those who do not believe in the bible. Though the bible basically teaches this very thing. It has also been my experience, that every time I have judged someone and held somewhat of a "grudge"... years later I have found myself walking in their shoes. Needless to say, forgiveness toward them came easy after that. (big smile)
    Yahshua (Yahs salvation) says he does not judge by the flesh. I understand this now. For though my "flesh" may look like it is in error... during the times I am walking in shoes that I didn't think I would... from the outside it can look bad... but what took place on the inside was forgiveness and understanding toward another. And afterward, when it's all said and done, I am cleansed of that grudge that I held for years. The bible says "All things work togeather for the good to those that love Him". This .. only through "life", I have found to be true.

    Just to set the record straight... what you call "my religion" is in error. Christianity is not my religion. I do not believe in religion. I believe in a relationship (active) with our maker. And I agree with you that one cannot bring faith to another. But one can "influence" another away from doing a bad thing for them or toward another, if one cares enough to take the time.
    If I have a freind that is really angry with another... I can "feed" that anger by agreeing with them and saying yeah, yeah, yeah!! Or... I can say... "well... we have all made mistakes, and this person that is being so ugly to you is not a "happy" or "Peaceful" person. For if they had the spirit of peace, they would not be so ugly to you... They probably do not have the goodness in their life that we do etc..... What ever is appropriate.. but you get the picture. For I have found anger hurts the angry far more then the one they are angry at.

    The Catholic Church: I hope to write a post to you on this. It would make this one far too long. (smile). But we are in agreement. I too am a "conspiracy theorist". And not only with the Catholic Church!

    The 10 Plagues of Egypt: This will be my next post.
    as far as the 3,4, 7s go... these are "part" of the pattern. Not the whole pattern. As is the DBR ... but it all ties in...
    are we being facetious? (smile)

    I will accept your answers on the rest of your post. But a word on carbon dating... from what I have seen... many "disagree" on the age of something. I have read many different theories of the age of the world to the age of a document. It's always ; "some say", or "most agree"... etc.

    Translations; okay. (grin)

    I have found that all things are symbolic. in all religions. In my study of Egyptian, German, Greek and Roman Mythology, even Eastern (Scriptures) all is symbolic, and we physical people take what is spiritual or symbolic and make it carnal, or physical.

    Example; Sets birth. Sky and earth getting togeather and birthing set (chaos) does little for me, or anyone and their understanding of "the big picture" so to speak. What does it mean to them (me)?

    I have found truth in all religions. or "myths". some truth, not all.

    Symbolically, it does more for me and my understanding. I have learned through the bible to look at all things this way.

    "Sky" : or > "spirit" gets together with "earth" or > "us". And gives birth to our maker in us. Which at first is truly chaos, for the physical is at emnity with the spirit. What our flesh desires, and what our wisdom (heart/mind) knows to be good or true, often collide. Thus the war/clamour/chaos begins. But when one follows the spirit. "Order" comes about. When one follows the flesh, chaos. selfishness, complaining, and unhappiness, or restlessness.

    I have found it to be advantageous to lean toward the spirit, and not to the flesh. I have found peace in this. Weather the peace be in darkness (hidden) or in light (open) ... peace/ Shalom.. is where I am pleased to dwell. Yah showed me this. For "Yarushalom" means:
    city of peace. I for one am pleased to dwell in Yarushalom. (smile)

    Hope to talk with you soon.


    "Blessed is he who comes in the name of Yah".
    "At that day
    shall a man look to his Maker,
    and his eyes shall have respect
    to the Holy One of Israel."
    Isaiah 17:7


    • #3

      Shalom Bratu,

      I posted this yesterday, but I quess the threads don't go to page five. Again my purpose is to reveal the Truth about the correlations. The later Greek writers have their own discernation (excuse the colloquialism) about the ancient egyptian pantheon. Out of all the posts read in this thread, I don't see where they actually share what Set is.
      Did you read this post? I can't find it. Anyway, If he is not a correlation to Satan, then we must discuss who and what Set is (ie. god, devil, angel, friend or foe). Thanks for the boat imput.

      Another fellow scribe writes in response to Hemaat:

      Here is Neter Aa Meri's response:

      The viewpoint of Heru, Set, and Apep, from an Ausar (Osiris) Auset (Isis)perspective, is that Heru symbolizes the Will and Set symbolizes those that have mastered Spheres 7-10 and has some mastery over the Will (Sph 6) but uses his/her Will only to gratify his/her lower self.

      Apep is the serpent which in the Garden of Eden led to the disobedience of God. SUS goes further by saying the Set physically corresponds to the mammilian brain (limbic cap) humans have, which if left unchecked leaves us only wanting to gratify our animal (read sensuous) instincts. As for Apep, it physically corresponds to the reptilian brain (cerebral cortex) which is the source of any emotional
      reactions and violence we may exhibit, so it is truly evil.

      Our constant struggle, is to still all emotions and keep the heart stable to live Truth. The heart referred to is the Will and only through mastery of the breath and meditation can we defeat Set and Apep.

      Neter Aa Meri

      In this treatise, the scribe correlates Apep with the Serpent in the Garden.We can also see a correlation with the need to have a clean heart and keep it stable with Truth, seated upon it. The pursuit for inner cleansing seems to be a part of these scribes beliefs. This would correlate with the cause of Y'shua. My question in biblical terms is that
      inner cleansing by ritual is not the same as grace and
      transformation given, and supernatural transfiguration. When we apply the will to purifacation, where does one draw the line. The will in the New testament is requested to submit to Yah's Will. Does self will have the ability to see clearly? No. That is why people call on Yah, or any god. They want assistence and/or power. Everyone is looking
      for help in discernment and knowledge. This humble attitude is the fruit of a true saint. Excelling beyond delusion and confusion is the goal, no matter what the religion. This is what the true seekers have in common. Power seekers, oppressors, by the use of the forces, are mere magicians and truely have no power. Omnipresence exudes and breaths life upon all. It is not partial. It is upon and within all
      flesh and is merely awaiting the recognition of the seeker of Truth. Merely the forgetting and remembering. The view of seperatism and choosing gods is invocation and craft. The entire world submits to Set, the god of nation building, storms, chaos. Yet the seeker of Truth finds Omnipotence and peace. So what is the difference and similarities here?

      Ishshah Yir'iyayh
      The fear of the YHVH is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.


      • #4

        What a wise sister, you are.

        I enjoyed your post. I would like to add one little tidbit in my effort to take seperatism away and bring unity from the Ancients of Days. At one point Y'rusalem was actually HeruSalem. This Heru is who will overcome Chaos and bring peace in the ancient Egyptian pantheon. I find the similarities very interesting as they reveal themselves.
        It is actually Osiris who would correlate to Y'shua. I wonder if the next coming of Y'shua, actually correlates to Heru. Many people are afraid of doing this because of the hype on new agism, but in actuality, the devil is a seperatist. Yah is a gatherer. I am a conspiracy theorist also. In regards to Herusalem. I will see if I can find the linquistic study that will morph the great City of Peace all the way back to Canaan and the Tribe of Judah and their neighbors, Egypt.

        Many blessings
        Ishshah Yir'iyayh
        A woman who fears Yah
        The fear of the YHVH is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.


        • #5
          Faith, Hope, and Love

          Hi Bratu,

          Just a few thoughts this morning. It is another good day. Make some sunshine!

          I have been listening to all of the discussion concerning who controls this and who controls that. These are the things that YAH seems to me to be in control of: Faith, Hope, and Love. Actually, these three things are the stuff of what YAH is made of. Love is the fulfillment of the Law. Law is whatever YAH determines is necessary for the perpetuation of Faith and Hope. So, Faith and Hope must submit to the Law. Whenever you find all three working together, you have, and I don't understand why, an orderly and united universe. You can make a mistake, but you have mercy. You have forgiveness. You have freedom and peace. You have the ability to reproduce. Without the three working together, there is no ability to reproduce or perpetuate oneself. There is nothing but war and chaos: Disorder.

          You have said that Set has nothing against the Law that you know of. How does Set feel about Faith and Hope? What is your thinking about faith and hope, Bratu? Here is how I define Faith:
          Heb 11:1
          1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (KJV)
          Sincerely, Spying
          The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


          • #6

            Ok well i will mention first that i am really frustrated because i posted yesterday and either it was deleted or the system farted and it was lost. So i didn't copy it like i should have and i completely can't remember what i wrote. Truthfully i don't really want to re-write the whole thing. So if it was deleted which i wouldn't see why then let me know. Other than that i will reply to Spying and Ishasha tomorrow.

            For it is He before Whom the Sky Shakes- Set



            • #7
              Ishshah Yir'iyayh wrote:
              At one point Y'rusalem was actually HeruSalem. This Heru is who will overcome Chaos and bring peace in the ancient Egyptian pantheon.
              Yebuc (Jebus), the aboriginal name of Jerusalem (Genesis 10:16 Joshua 18:28 1 Chronicles 11:4, 5 ).
              Yebucy (Jebusites), inhabitants of Jebus; descendants of Cannan.
              Hierosoluma or Hierousalem Greek for Yerushalaim (Jerusalem).


              • #8
                Misc. info

                Mesopotamia (Greek name for Sumer, the Akkadians, etc.).

                States = Nomes in Egyptian. White for upper Egypt, red for lower Egypt.

                Sumer's myriad successors: Akkadians, Babylonians, Assyrians, etc.

                hawk-god = sacred falcon,
                son of Isis and Osiris.
                Isis is identified with Sirius and daughter of "sun-god ra".
                Osiris is identified with Orion (constellation).

                Horus = Heru = ancient sun god
                Heru means "face"
                Horus of the horizon = face of the horizon

                Name "Khufu" is phonetically similar to the ancient Egyptian word for the great pyramid "Khuti", meaning "glorius light" or "horizon of heaven".

                "L" and "R" interchangeable in Egyptian, hence "Heru" becomes "Helu". Put a Greek ending on "Helu" and you get "Helios" = Greek sun god.

                Heliopolise = city of the sun, the "city of the face" of the sun.

                Cairo, orginally named El Kahira from the Arabic El Kahir meaning "Mars".

                Egyptian for "divine being" or "god" was NTR, which meant "one who watches". That is exactly the meaning of the name "Shumer", which is the Old Testament Hebrew name for "Sumer", the land of the one who watches.

                Neb, Egyptian for "lord", which is also found in the name Nebuchadnezzer, etc.

                Neb Heru = lord of the sun.

                Greek word "hero" comes from "heru".

                Mary, a word hidden in the word "pyramid".

                Have any of you ever followed the information concerning the "face on mars"?



                • #9
                  Shalom Ishshah Yir'iyayh,

                  And welcome. (smile)

                  Please forgive me for taking so long to respond to you. I have been studying the 10 plagues, and other things. I will share as soon as I have "confirmation", if you know what I mean.
                  It has been a long time since I studied Egyptian mythology. So my recolcections are rusty.
                  I don't have much time, so this will be a bit short. (so unlike me! big smile).

                  You made reference to "the queen of heaven" or "cakes to the queen of heaven" something like that. Said you would expound later. When you get a chance, would you share what you know about it.

                  I "suspect" sometimes that Irish are actually the tribe of Judah. There are a couple of reasons I suspect this. When I was studying Irish gailic, I found that making "cakes to the queen of heaven" was a major practice of theirs. Then when I was "listening" to Irish gailic I was shocked to see how very much it sounded like hebrew. There are a few more, well... personal, but... I need to find my notes on it. Anyway... so my ears perked up a bit when you mentioned that.
                  I sometimes suspect the native Indians being the tribe of Joseph and the jews as we know them the tribe of Levi. I have other "suspesions" too... but... thats all they are.
                  I once had a very scary vision involving an egyptian woman about a 1 1/2 ago... it shyed me away from "egyptian" period. I got "scared off" so to speak.
                  But I am learning from what you and Bratu write.

                  Well... I gotta go dear sister in Yah, Hope to talk with you again.

                  may Yah be with you always.
                  "At that day
                  shall a man look to his Maker,
                  and his eyes shall have respect
                  to the Holy One of Israel."
                  Isaiah 17:7


                  • #10
                    Shalom / Hetepu

                    To continue with universal opinion.....

                    The next Scribe named MaleStorm, posts.....

                    I agree with you regarding Apep, with one caveat. IMO, Apep not only represents evil. Apep is representative of the ability of man to commit isfet(sin) without remorse or regret. It is a pure and conscious evil which when left unchecked, brings disorder to the universe. Thus, as you noted, Set, being that he represents brute strength and the will to use it, is on the point and first defense against Apep.

                    One question though, could it be that Apep represents chaos and disorder as well as evil? Or does he represent one or the other?



                    Sandy, I love a Truth Seeker.
                    Keep on keepin on Sister.
                    I will respond soon.

                    The fear of the YHVH is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.


                    • #11
                      Hi All, Hetepu / Shalom,

                      Here is my promised responses, Praise Yah.

                      The Queen of Heaven.

                      There are three kinds of Jews in the world. I do not know how many consider the Sabbath female, but the Falasha of Ethiopia do. I found it very interesting to have found this out and would love to know if other Jews also practice this. They call the Sabbath the Queen.


                      The weekly Sabbath is called 'first sabbath' (sanbat qadamit) and they personify it as a female figure.

                      The Sabbath Queen Sits upon the throne surrounded by fire, and watches over the House of Israel or what is known as Beta Israel. In regards to the female figure in Ethiopia. Their Christians say that Mary is their mediator. The Beta Israel say the Sabbath is theirs.

                      Several prayers describe the personified Sabbath. The Sabbath evening prayer (barek sanbateya) due to the refrain, “I am alive.” Waradat sanbat describes the descent of
                      Sabbath from heaven to earth, where she is crowned by angels.

                      From what I understand so far, Torah or Sh’kinah is a female covering in Judaism. But when also considering that there is a King of Heaven and supposedly a Son. There then
                      must be a Queen. I wonder why Jeremiah prophesied for them to cease libation to the Maleketh of Shamayim?

                      Jeremiah 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our
                      princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
                      18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
                      19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?
                      20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying,
                      21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and came it not into his mind?
                      22 So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at
                      this day.
                      23 Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes,
                      nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.
                      24 Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the word of the LORD, all Judah that are in the land of Egypt:
                      25 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.
                      26 Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith the LORD, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord GOD liveth.
                      27 Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.
                      28 Yet a small number that escape the sword shall return out of the land of Egypt into the land of Judah, and all the remnant of Judah, that are gone into the land of Egypt to
                      sojourn there, shall know whose words shall stand, mine, or theirs.
                      29 And this shall be a sign unto you, saith the LORD, that I will punish you in this place, that ye may know that my words shall surely stand against you for evil:
                      30 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will give Pharaohhophra king of Egypt into the hand of his enemies, and into the hand of them that seek his life; as I gave Zedekiah king of
                      Judah into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, his enemy, and that sought his life.

                      I find it interesting, that this happened to Judah in Egypt and that the Falasha are their neighbors. This offers something in regards to ancient tradition. The question will now be, is it correct tradition or in error. If the Queen of Heaven comes down on the Sabbath and the Christ said he was the Lord of the Sabbath (The Queen). I would read this as one of the Lords of the Court, not Lord over Her. But that leaves us with the need of further research, if the Sabbath is the Queen. Who is this Queen? Is it Sheba and Solomon? If it is the Spirit of Truth / Rauch HaKodesh, then why do we not have these teachings? I see this also as a living thing like Truth. Truth is also manifesting to the seeker. And the Sabbath always comes. I do believe it is more then a day. Is it not also well with us, when we walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh, when we revere Sh’kinah, who shall not be blashphemied? Yah’s woman is also called Wisdom / Chokmah / His Delight. And then we have the Womn of Revelation. The Falasha say the Queen is crowned by angels.

                      Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

                      What does this have to do with Set.

                      Well, if the Lord of the Sabbath and his Mother are both ruling the day of the planet Saturn / Satan, and the resurrection day is Sunday, the day of the SUN-g-d, then this weekend thing is quite interesting in Egyptian connections.

                      The Falasha spell Jerusalem as Iyyarusalem.

                      With Sandy’s study on Herusalem, this clearly shows the Greeks being influenced by ancient Egypt.

                      She had posted: "L" and "R" interchangeable in Egyptian, hence "Heru" becomes "Helu". Put a Greek ending on "Helu" and you get "Helios" = Greek sun god.

                      Sandy Asks: Have any of you ever followed the information concerning the "face on mars"?

                      Ishshah says no, but I would love some info. It will also correlate with Bratu who is influenced by Mars and the Lord of the Sabbath whose Queen sits on a Throne surrounded by Fire. Just Kidding. Hi Bratu :-) You know that you must have air to keep your fires burning :-)

                      Hi Bratu, are you better yet? I am sorry you lost your last post. HI DeAnna. I hope that sort of expanded some thoughts. Any feedback would be appreciated.

                      Ishshah Yir'iyayh
                      The fear of the YHVH is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.


                      • #12
                        Shalom DeAnna,

                        One last thing:

                        You said: I "suspect" sometimes that Irish are actually the tribe of Judah. There are a couple of reasons I suspect this. When I was studying Irish gailic, I found that making "cakes to the queen of heaven" was a major practice of theirs. Then when I was "listening" to Irish gailic I was
                        shocked to see how very much it sounded like hebrew. There are a few more, well... personal, but... I need to find my notes on it.

                        The Celts were very influenced by African folklore. There woman kept the tradition of the fertility rights. In Europe, however, this later made them witches, rather then Jews or followers of Egyptian ways. They became pagans. I am wondering about this female entity now, and why it has been made bad by the Patriarchs. All the discovery of the need for a female Lamb in the Sin offering also coralates. I know the bible says so in Jeremiah, but us conspiracy theorists know that there was a political agenda in the Nicean Counsel. Have you ever noticed how Jeremiah contradicts the Law of Sacrifice? I love Jeremiah, but it makes you wonder (not doubt)but wonder and become steadfast enough to search until the Spirit of Truth reveals. Fire that keeps us seeking, so to speak.

                        You said: I sometimes suspect the native Indians being the tribe of Joseph and the Jews as we know them the tribe of Levi. I have other "suspesions" too... but... thats all they are.

                        Interesting suspicions, but I suppose that is entirely another thread.

                        The fear of the YHVH is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.


                        • #13
                          Shalom Ishshah,

                          Thank you for that study! Well... here I go, back to Jeremiah... (smile). As far as my "suspicions" go... I should have not spoken about them. Last night I saw how we are to only "work" during the "daylight' hours. This I perceived to be... only share that which we are able to "see". What has "come to light". My suspicions are still quite shrouded and I should let them rest while it is "dark". know what I mean?

                          I have so many "Studies' going right now. I should pick one and stick to ONE. I was never a real organized person. Praise be to Yah that anything gets straightened out at all!

                          As far as the "son" goes. I have come to see that the true "son", the "only begotten", is "The Word" of Yah. For it was the first thing that proceeded from Him. And His Word, brought forth manifestation. For it was/is by His Word that all things came into being. Thus we have John 1:
                          "In the beginning was The Word... and > Nothing < was made, that wasn't made by Him. (The Word).
                          The Word is the "seed" that is buried in us. Thus we are given power to become the "sons" of Yah.

                          As far as the actual "Queen of Heaven" goes...
                          This is what comes to mind.
                          We, are the bride. With all intent and purposes, Yah is the only "male" or the only one with "Seed" (Word). That goes into us. The bride. For even Yahshua refers to his diciples (men) as "bride". Now think about a "wifes" role.
                          She is not to work, she is not to be the "provider", her main role is to care for the children and be subserviant unto her husband. Her life is her husbands.

                          I think those that offered insense and cakes etc. to the Queen of Heaven is symbolic of us offering up homage unto ourself. Saying/thinking, that "we" work a work. That "we", provide for ourselves, therefore not giving praise or credit to the one that does provide the oil and the wheat. For we are the "receivers" of the Seed (word) not the givers. We are of the earth. We are to love the "queen of heaven". For we are to love eachother! But not "follow" or worship eachother.

                          However... if we are indeed the queen, or queens in the making... we are surrounded by fire. (smile).
                          In rev. 12 "The Woman clothed with the sun". Is us clothed in the Word. The moon under her feet shows forth her walk. For the "moon" is symobic of the bride as well. For we have no light of our own, but reflect the light of the son or Yahs Word. A woman in the flesh is on the same cycle as the moon. approx. 28 days. In the 'middle' of the month a woman ovalates or is "full". The twelve stars (smaller lights) around her head Is most likely symbolic of the 12 tribes, as it is through reading about them that 'guide' us in the night/our darkness. Or it could be the 12 diciples... same concept.
                          The woman "pained" to be delivered. As we pain to give birth to the holy spirit or The Word of Truth in us.
                          And satan (the adversary) is waiting to devour the word of truth as soon as it is delivered. This "war" that takes place in "heaven" is "in spirit". Our spirit. In our hearts and minds. For it is in our minds that Satan "accuses" us. But the "accuser" shall be cast down, for all of those that keep the commandments of Yah and have the "testimony" of the son. Which is; "It is not I that doeth the works, but the Father in me, HE doeth the works."

                          The "flood" that the adversary lets out of his "mouth" is the flood of doctrines. But we "the earth" open up our mouth and "swallow" the flood. (all the many doctrines) and though at times we feel that we are going to drown, after all the info is absorbed and untruths are discarded etc. Those that put their trust in their maker are able to forebear.
                          This is the understanding that has been given me on
                          Rev. 12.

                          Well... I am off to look up your references.
                          Thank you again!


                          "And he was clothed in a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of Yah"
                          rev. 19:13
                          "At that day
                          shall a man look to his Maker,
                          and his eyes shall have respect
                          to the Holy One of Israel."
                          Isaiah 17:7


                          • #14
                            The Queen of Heaven

                            Hi Ishshah,

                            Man is made in the image of YAH. Woman was taken from man, and then she is reunited again with man. That is the purpose of marriage. In order for the spirits to be united, a man and a woman must learn how to live together in peace. This is a skill that a lot of men and woman have acquired in their walk through this physical life. The man must learn how to submit from a position of strength, and the woman must learn how to rule from a position of weakness. As they learn each other's role, they become one, a unified being.

                            YAHWEH ELOHIM is a unified being composed of both natures, male and female. With the ELOHIM there is no giving in marriage. The ELOHIM exist together in unity. Combined or united, they are "the being" which we commonly refer to as the FATHER. They all submit, and they all rule. Strictly speaking, there is no queen of Heaven. The ELOHIM are all Kings, each of them have learned how to submit to each other, and each of them have learned how to rule over themselves and each other. That is the definition of a King. This Kingship is a position of service. The greater the service, the greater the King. There is one King of Kings and YAH of YAHS. His name is Messiah YAHUSHUA. He is the greater King because of his greater service.

                            So, to make a long story short, burning incense to the queen of Heaven is a no no. The Father has no desire to be worshipped as a queen. The concept of the Queen of Heaven is humanistic. It is earthy. It is derived from looking at the image of YAH, man, who happens to be both male and female, and then making the fatal mistake of looking at YAH and judging that YAH is just like man, separated male and female entities. YAH is one. He is both male and female. What I am saying here, Ishshah, is that in the Kingdom of ELOHIM, a spirit that was female in this physical life, could have a greater position of service than any of the spirits who were males in their physical lives because she has learned how to serve others, she has learned how to submit, and she has learned how to rule her husband and herself from weakness. In the Kingdom of ELOHIM, this spirit is a King. She is not a queen, and believe me, that is the recognition she is due.

                            Sincerely, Spying
                            The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


                            • #15
                              Wow Deanna,

                              The Spirit is all over your words sister. I only have one issue to mention. The first thing that was created was Wisdom, which is before the Word issued forth from the Mouth of the Highest Yah who rideth upon the heavens and not in them. Who is Wisdom? His Delight, is a 'SHE'. Proverbs 8. There must be a woman and an egg to conceive. I have one rule in getting to know Yah. It has to fit into the Old Testament and Universal Law - His Creation. I loved everything else in your post however. The Spirit of Truth was all over it. More on this in a moment.


                              Thank you for your response. I totally disagree with it however. Elohyim also means goddesses and the Elohyim or Mighty Ones, are not Yah. A Rightly divided Word will reveal this. Also, Omnipotence is both Alpha and Omega, Male and Female, beginning and end. Yah rides upon the heavens, not in them. We will not call Yah a god, elohyim, male or female, king or queen, but YHVH T'sidqenuw.

                              Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and
                              Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby
                              he shall be called, YHVH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

                              Please notice how the things of Yah are manifestations and not literal things. Righteousness, Truth, Revelation, Transformation, Sanctifacation. Yah is a Verb, not a Thing.
                              Yah is Spirit, not flesh. All things on earth are only an image, and the Image is not to be worshipped in any way. In the Omnipotence and manifestations of Yah, there is no image, but Spiritual occurances and manifestations like Word becoming Flesh. But let us not forget that Flesh turns again into Spirit.

                              I do agree about what DeAnna said about do not worship anything but Yah. But this would include not worshipping the Son either. I do not believe in Images. The Mother for me, is Wisdom, and the Son the Word. The story is an allegory for the process of times, dispensations and manifestations of the Divine Universal Birthing of Souls. This Macrocosmic occurance is so beyond man's ways, we cannot imagine. (Image) It cannot be imaged.

                              I agree with the male/female merger as a symbolism of ruling from weakness and humbling in strength. But not that a Queen becomes a King. In reality we leave flesh and become a Spirit. The rib story is a controversial issue, because the Adam man, doesn't match the Adam, species, male and female. The Adam/Atom is all creation, not just the man. Why was man named ruddy and Eve the Life Giver, then it turned around that he gave life to Eve. There is some of the Nicean Council Political Agenda of Patriarchal rule, when you yourself said that the man should learn how to humble in strength. If it cannot fit into the image, it is not Yah made. There is your man made things. Do you ever see a human made from a rib or a virgin making a baby? Maybe cloning will confirm such a process, but remember that the devil is who is trying to imitate Yah and say he is the ruler and life-giver, The Image wishes to be Yah, when Eve has always been the Life-Giver.

                              In Universal Law, we will travel back to Egypt for a moment. Their is a creature called the Scarab Beetle. This beetle lays it's seed in dung, then rolls it backwards in the path of the Sun/Son. Deanna's Bride is very close to this analogy, we just have that missing Wisdom. Let's see why. We can see this gestation process in all egg laying incubators. The father is often the one who sits on the egg to keep it warm. Back to this Scarab dung. The orb is earth, the seeds are in the egg of earth, which is the womb of the Universe, gestating. The Husband of this Bride is the Sun - ie. Bride and Son, not Father and Mother.

                              YHVH T'sidqenuw is all encompassing and beyond man's ways, for Omnipotence is all things. Mather's Kabballah states that Y H V H is Father, Mother, Son and Bride. With DeAnna's soul expression and yours, both are still on earth. She with Son and Bride and you with...well, with...I don't know. Respect even still. Yah ( Y and H ) are way beyond those concepts, but DeAnna's soul is following Universal Law, designated in all Creation, she merely skipped Wisdom. She expressed the Son and the Bride as the Father and Mother. The Son and the Bride marry, not the Father and the Bride. The Father is Omnipotence and the Mother Sh'kinah, His Spirit and Wisdom. The Son is the Word and bridgroom and the bride is us. You on the other hand are against the voice of His Creation and are making woman a man. This is against the bible. Woman are not to wear men's clothes and the creation speaks of The Omnipotent Designer of all things. And the daughters of Jerusalem and Zion receive the first dominion.

                              Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
                              2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
                              3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
                              4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
                              5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
                              6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
                              7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

                              DeAnna was in total accord with the Word.

                              But Women do not become men.

                              Mic 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

                              I can believe man and woman become spirit however.

                              There are actually 42 letters in the true name of Yah. These are 42 manifestations of His Works. It would be a blessing to do a study on what they might be. 42 verbs in the bible that describe his intent and purpose on earth. The Hebrew Language only has 22 letters. But the Sanskrit has 52, and all have a meaning. The Modern Hebrew is actually a borrowed and morphed culture from the older ones. The letters have always had meaning. The fact they form words is where perversion begins. Who can read the letter?

                              John7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

                              For the words often do not describe the Divine Meanings, that truely lie therein. The Hebrew had no periods, vowels, etc. The Modern version is a perversion and one day we will return to the pure language. Thus Notariqon of the Hassids and Y'shua's statement that Disciple know the mysteries and other only parables.

                              Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of YHVH, to serve him with one consent.

                              With all my love of Truth
                              Who gives all the Glory to Yah
                              The fear of the YHVH is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.