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    The Three Children!

    Hi Bratu,

    Your response was worth the wait. I get excited when I read a good post. A good post to me in not necessarily determined by the content. A good post to me is also the effort expended to communicate reflected in the post. I don't often comment about posts in this fashion, but I felt the same way about several of Ishshah's posts on this thread.

    Your have perfectly described "sprinkling" to me. Thank you. Now, let me dwell on it a little. Artistic expression is a form of "sprinkling". The ability to sprinkle comes from inspiration. A small mind inspired is far greater than the highest of IQ's uninspired. I suspect that inspiration comes to all those who pay the price for it. You must seek it; however, one cannot seek what one does not believe exists. Therefore, in order to engage in sprinkling (all forms of artistic expression, art, music, religious ideas, scientific ideas, etc.), one's mind must indeed have been previously opened to the possibility of inspiration. All inspiration comes from powers outside of ourselves, and that power can be either good or evil. This is why Messiah said that we must become like little children in order to enter the Kingdom of ELOHIM:
    Mark 10:15
    15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of ELOHIM as a little child, he shall not enter therein.(KJV)
    A child's mind is open to inspiration. They are little receptacles who have great powers of belief. Little children unless they have been abused by their parents do not normally deny what they have been told. They are open to the possibilities before them.

    Bratu, I am similar to an artist painting a picture which is not original or does not originate with me. The work is unfinished. Long ago, I realized that this painting is not for me to finish alone. A whole host of people are going to contribute to the painting. The contribution of others is critical to any future painting that I may be required to do. So, my motives in a sense are selfish. I need others like yourself more than you need me in order that we may eventual show the world a finished work of art.

    I realize that I am coming to you with religious thoughts that are different than how you were taught as a child. I know that you were not inspired by what you were religiously taught as a child because of your movement towards Set. All of us that have left the religion of our childhood have done so because of the religious abuse that we have endured either by or through it. Please bear with me and take a good look at the three children who do sprinkle this world. You can see them at the crucifixion. They are Messiah Yahushua and the two thieves. The Jews lifted up the children who sprinkle and carried them on doors so that they would not be defiled by death and the grave. (This world does hold all who teach and preach in high esteem.) Two of the children are there to bear witness about the third, but all three do sprinkle. Two of the children bear witness to the truth. One does not. The world has hear the testimony of Messiah. The world has hear the testimony of the contrary child over the last two thousand years. Now, the world must hear the testimony of the third child, and I have caught a glimpse of what that does mean. The doorway to the Kingdom of ELOHIM is the grave. We can enter the grave with either false or true testimony about the "way" to life which is Messiah Yahushua. If we enter with the truth, we are not defiled by the grave. If we enter with false testimony, we are defiled. If we enter with the truth, death and the grave will have no power over us. Think about that a little, and let me know what you think? Remember, all three sprinklers endured almost the exact same suffering so martyrdom is not a sign of true teaching.

    I don't have the power to convert, Bratu, but I do have the power to sprinkle. In time you will be required to judge whether my sprinkling is true or false. Have a good day, and I am sorry about the death of your family member.

    Sincerely, Spying

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    Once again i return. I have been thinking a bit more lately. I wish i had the collection to express further many of the things that i want to speak of but i don't think some of it goes to words quite like i would like.

    A true genius. I was reading an insane work of literature last night. It was Controled Burn by Pete G. Helcamp. He has something in it. I wish i could really comprehend something like that but i don't think i ever could. "you ain't worth the blood in your veins" a Bob Dylan lyric that is powerful as well. The great mind can express something that the normal person can only attempt to fathom with little success. Great music, great art, great literature, all are art, all capture that expression that thought that only a great mind could have been inspired to have. Perhaps the word terrible is more in order, like they used terrible back in the old world to describe the Gods. Terrible as in powerful or inspired but bewildering and sometimes freightening. Einstein was this way i think. Beethoven was this way also i think. There is an ability to express an idea to convey something a little deeper and have it understood and recognized by certain people. That is what i hope to be able to do one day. This is a vision which i think a teacher i have had, has. He sees education as so few do and has an ability to express it an almost bizzare fashion. The mark is a great mind. Possesed by the simple and vast alike.

    I wonder if anyone will understand what i am saying. As everyone has seen i am not one to quote passages from any source for the most part. They come few and far between. My thoughts are spawned by all sorts of things. Most of which is just opening up as best i can. I am an open person in that i will answer pretty much any question that is asked of me. So the only key is that someone needs to ask the right question. Funny how extenuating circumstances help you to open your mind further. Many times from an artistic stand point i can't function until i have an impetus. Tragedy happiness something. I don't really know where i am going with this maybe just a glimpse of the inside perhaps.

    Now i will answer you Spying even though i think that above was a response a plenty. But i will spare you the cryptograpy. And answer your questions direct.

    The sprinklers is an interesting concept. I don't feel that Yahshua is the cause or nor the topic necessarily of these though. This could be anyone with a good idea. Grant Tzaddikim may have its own that share for it, but i feel that others have sprinklers of their own.
    Forgive me for being of the opinion that i opened my ears perhaps with some help of friends, but i made that choice myself is what i am getting at. My spirit teaches me things yes but the things it teaches me do not point me towards Yahshua or Yahweh. In fact they push me further away. You did sense something of me when other barked their idle warnings. The cries of sheep in many instances. People tell me there is something special of me. The likes of which i do not know, nor am i inclined to believe. This i think is to keep myself humble. I don't see myself as special. I think that at most i just see things a bit differently perhaps. But am i not unclean to your philosophy?

    To see a purpose beyond the simple fact. Maybe i restate the obvious but it is fairly apparent that your purpose here would be to convert me or atleast guide me to converting myself. My purpose here would be to present and recieve new ideas. i don't know that much of either of our purposes are being fulfilled yet. "all that remains is silence"-Hamlet


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    Sorry about my lack of posting i will respond to you spying soon. I really do apologize but just to let everyone know i lost a family member and have been dealing with that. So i will be back as soon as i can but until then


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    That is because realize is really real-eyes.......

    Smoooocccchhhhheeeesssss again


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    Don't have time to respond long right now but i was amused by ishasha's post. Just didn't realize that there was really anything to respond to.


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    That's what you get for not responding to me...... The Law of Karma - Everything you do comes back to you.
    Just meesssing with you

    Smooooooooccccch !!!

    Love to Ya

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    Hi Bratu,

    Six days! You have waited long. Behold, the Seventh Day, and there is rest from our worldly labors and more time to sprinkle. Please forgive again my neglect. I want you to know that this thread is always on my mind.

    You also know that I had hoped that Messiah Yahushua has chosen you in himself to also be a sprinkler (one who asperses, ). The sprinklers are children. The Jews would carry them on doors lest they be made or rendered unclean by walking on a grave. This is what Barnabas had to say about them:
    Barnabas 8:3-4
    3. Those who sprinkle are children, they are those who preach to us forgiveness of sins and purification of the heart, to whom he entrusted the authority to proclaim the gospel.
    3b. There are twelve (of the latter), for a witness to the tribes, since there are twelve tribes of Israel.
    4. But why are there (only) three children who sprinkle? This is for a witness to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, because they are great before ELOHIM. (The Apostolic Fathers, the Epistle of Barnabas, page 281-282)
    Now, all who are pure of heart and dwell in Messiah Yahushua have the authority through his good spirit to sprinkle the nations. As it is written:
    Isa 52:15
    15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider. (KJV)
    It is the spirit of Messiah Yahushua which teaches. His spirit gives eyes to see, and his spirit opens the hearing ear. As it is written:
    Isa 54:13
    13 And all thy children shall be taught of the YAHWEH; and great shall be the peace of thy children. (KJV)
    This is why I am confident to neglect you for long periods of time. Opportunity is being given thereby for the spirit to teach and move you so that you will fully understand that your allegiance belongs to Messiah Yahushua and to him alone.

    Did I not sense about you from the beginning that your heart was pure while others barked warnings about you? In such things I could be wrong, but even if I am wrong, even if you do not have a pure heart, I myself can, as a sprinkler, work to help change your heart through the power of the gospel. Either way, you have a pure heart.

    The Law is much more than just a directive on morals which results in much discussion. The Law is a physical description of a behind the scenes reality. It can be likened to the script of a play. You can relate to this, Bratu. You love the theater. Every play depicts something, does it not? So also does the Law. I am going to plead with you to begin to look at the Law as one big integrated play with many acts. Two thousand years ago before the Temple was destroyed, we could all go to physical Jerusalem and actually see the physical play through all the interaction surrounding the physical Temple. The actors were the Jews. They were made to act so that we would have opportunity through their production (all the rituals of the Law) to look about us and see and understand a spiritual world. Consider the "sprinklers". In many places the Law relates information about the sprinklers and gives them direction. Look at this directive:
    Num 19:19
    19 And the clean person (the pure of heart) shall sprinkle upon the unclean on the third day, and on the seventh day: and on the seventh day he (the unclean) shall purify himself, and wash his clothes (baptism), and bathe himself in water (baptism), and shall be clean at even. (KJV)
    This one verse tells us many things about reality if we can interpret the play. Today is the Seventh Day. Does this verse instruct us to only sprinkle on the physical Sabbath? Not at all! This verse let's us know that a latter rain is coming to all the world. This sprinkling has already begun again for we have already seen what we have not been told. Two thousand years ago the spiritual third day ended, and since that time, the world has had no rain. Men have sought the Word of ELOHIM, but they did not find it. Now, it can be found again through the sprinkling of HIS good spirit.

    Have a good Sabbath (only the pure of heart rest from sin), Bratu!

    Sincerely, Spying

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    Seeing as how this thread has lain dormant for 6 days now i am seeing it as coming to an end? Thanks for the conversation i suppose i will be on my way to wandering some more. "Not all who wander are lost"-Tolkien. If this is not so then post and tell me but if i don't recieve a response then i will assume it to be. So good luck to all and good travels. Follow your heart and enjoy what you are given.

    Set's Blessing

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    Hello Deanna to be completely honest i don't know that i really have much response to what you posted. Must be tired or something don't really see much of a discrepency or anything. Who knows, well on the next post.

    Hello Spying
    Alright here we from top to bottom. The law of Moses brings about the storm? This is curious because i think that the law of Moses or better put the morals of Moses have only a little to do with a spiritual storm. That is more of an ethics storm. What do i think is right and wrong based on what is best for people over all.

    Yes i have made a judgement concerning that prohibition. Did Yahweh know and convey this knowledge? Highly doubtful, i would say and put pretty good stock in saying that more than likely people ate it, it was under cooked, and people got really sick. That is pretty much what i am saying that Yahweh can stay on his side of the fence and i will stay on mine with what i have found to be true. The reasoning that allows me to eat pork is simply that i don't care. That in specific is something i consider ridiculous. If you don't want to eat meat or pork for health reasons like echoli or whatever that is fine. But to pass judgement and say that is unclean and all who eat it are unclean holds no weight with me.

    No i have never been drunk. I don't drink, nor do drugs. I do not do these things because i wish to keep a clear head. I don't like my sight to be clouded by those things when i know i don't need them nor enjoy them either. I didn't think you were on my case . If i ever think you are on my case you will know, i am not very bashful when it comes to that sort of thing.
    I don't worry about Yah's laws or whether he is wrathful to me. It makes no difference to me. I am going to do what i am going to do reguardless, because i don't feel what i am doing is wrong. If i did feel it was wrong i would quit. You thank your father when some one praises you, why? If i were to give you a gift like a book what good is that gift if You don't use it? It does you no good. Being thankful for what you have is one thing, but how you use what you have is your own choice. He might have given you intelligence but you used it not him. Things like that i will never understand. I am thankful to my Father for the strength He gives me, and often times it is a realization that i had it in me the whole time. I am thankful because i am alive and i like being alive, because that can be taken away at any moment. I follow my heart and my instinct because that is pure, because it is nature. And nature is pure. Only is it corrupted when i don't have an unrestrained heart. I do wrong not because of something that Adam or Eve did, but because my judgement isn't perfect and not all things apply to instincts, and many times a decision is made rashly before the weight of the consequences are thought through.

    Am i safe? No Yah has never come to me with His wrath or His anger. As to a name under heaven, no i don't have one. Not in your heaven.


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    Hot and Cold!

    Hi Bratu,

    I would like for you to consider the words of Paul who said:
    Rom 4:15
    15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. (KJV)
    It is quite possible that the Law of Moses itself brings about the storm. If that should be the case, then the Law is a storm machine. How could that be?

    Consider eating pork. YAHWEH has said, don't eat it:
    Lev 11:7-8
    7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
    8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you. (KJV)
    Now, I know that you have already made a judgment concerning this prohibition. YAHWEH obviously knew that the flesh of swine contained hidden dangers, didn't HE? Since we now know all about those hidden dangers, it is now perfectly alright to eat swine's flesh, am I not right? And besides all that, YAHWEH has no authority over me since Set is my El. This is the reasoning that allows you to eat pork if you desire it, right?

    Have you ever been drunk, Bratu? The Law describes your type of reasoning concerning your transgression as drunkenness (I am not getting on your case here. I am merely working to describe events which can bring about or start a huge spiritual storm):
    Deut 29:19
    19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst: (KJV)
    "Thirst" here is the inability, no matter the reason, to accomplish what YAHWEH commands. "Drunkenness" is the expressed belief that one can transgress the Law of YAH and get away with it, kinda like we all have done at one time or another. This, however, it what YAH has to say about our peace:
    Deut 29:20
    20 The YAHWEH will not spare him, but then the anger of the YAHWEH and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the YAHWEH shall blot out his name from under heaven. (KJV)
    According to these words, YAHWEH is wrathful with you, Bratu.

    Now, I know that it may appear to you as if YAHWEH is indeed blowing smoke when HE informs us that there are dire consequences for all such who transgress HIS Law. I mean when has YAHWEH ever approached you concerning your disobedience? When have the curses of the Law ever been placed upon you? You still have a name under heaven, right? Under the circumstances, you feel safe, don't you, but are you really safe?

    Consider these basic elements of the storm:
    • Sin=cold
    • Righteousness=hot
    Messiah said:
    Matt 24:12
    12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (KJV)
    "Love is the fulfillment of the Law". (Romans 13:10, 1 John 5:3) Love can be hot. If righteousness is being performed, there is heat. "Sin is the transgression of the Law." (1 John 3:4) If sin abounds, there is cold. Heat rises. Cold hugs the ground. What happens when cold is lifted up and cold collides with the hot? We have the beginnings of a storm, don't we?

    Should you be moved to consider this storm, do you think that it is possible that both sin and righteousness were brought together to collide at the Cross of Messiah Yahushua?

    Sincerely, Spying

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    Shalom Bratu,

    I just had to "but in". Hope thats okay.

    As you know, I believe there is only one creator. Regardless of what one calls him. I found it interesting that in scriptures... in all scriptures. The people went for a while seeking the "God with no name". The jews were known for their "god with no name" before Moses rose up. In Egyptian, "I think" it was Osiris that tricked Ra into giving her his name. In all scriptures, there is power in "his name". There are many ancient "mighty ones". Some say; Ammon - Ra (which are two different gods actually, but both are served equally, not unlike "god and jesus". There was Ahura (god) and ormonze (like unto abraham; "blessed seed") and Asha (the promise) Whatever that name may be. If you "come in His name" so to speak, you dwell in safety. When we come in someone elses name... we come/walk in their authority. We are there representing their authority... not our own.

    You said;

    > "Set has never been wrathful to me. If he were i would have died that day in Chicago or in North Carolina no doubt in my mind. " <

    In scripture. Mountains and hills represent principalities and powers. Whether it be The Holy power of Yah sent out from the mount, or principalities of darkness. If it says "Holy mountain" you can pretty much count on it being the ulitmate power. The power of Yah. In Jerimiah Yahs prensence "melts the hills and the mountains before him". These are principalities of darkness or the powers of lies that melt in the presense of truth.
    When Yah "makes desolate the land"... it is us he makes desolate through the storms. And all is taken away. And we feel like "something is against us" when the flesh cries out. But this desolation brings about seeking. And seeking brings about awareness. So even in Yahs desolation, it is still his goodness toward men. It is for our own good that we go through the storms (emotional) and through the baptism of fire (purging) and through the wind (being taken away by the spirit and unto inner understandings)

    "Oh that men would praise Yah for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!". (psalm; 107:8, 15, 21 and 31)

    I say this to you because you basically said you have no fear in the face of the storm. And I feel exactly the same way. I thought that was kool. (smile)

    "yea though I walk through the valley of shadow and death, I shall fear no evil..."

    you say; > "The Gods are wrathful to men because men are ignorant and pointless in many instances. " <

    I say this is the god up above the moon son and stars that my mother (church) taught me about. But this is not the one that I have come to know that dwells within me. The Yah I have come to know has purpose and reason, and true mercy and compassion in his storms upon men. No parent loves their child and does not teach them. I do not say dicipline. Because of the english connotation of the word. I say teach.

    I just recently found out that Jerulsalem does not mean "city of peace", but "teaching of peace". So anyone reading this that read an older post of mine, I have been shown otherwise. sorry. I should probably go back and change that old post for future readers... anyway...

    "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Psalm 51:5

    And yet; "I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well."
    Psalm 139:14

    If we are not guilty and in bondage of something. We "could not" know what it's like to be free from it. And that is what Yah is all about. Freedom. Liberty.

    " Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him." Isaiah 43:7

    "blessed is he who waits upon Yah".

    You say; > "They are wrathful to each other because they are Gods they don't have to get along." <

    Or maybe what we know as "gods" are angels, or martyers or what have you, but being the creation of an ultimate creator... they would be learning as well. And therefore, being taught.

    "I will put my spirit within you..."
    "Not by might, not by power, but by my spirit, saith Yah."

    Once while driving in my car I said to Yah; "Yah, make me an honest person". Then I said, "why aren't I perfect yet? I mean... as much as you have shown me, and as much as we talk, and as much as I read and study... I should be perfect by now... etc."
    He put this "thought" litterally into my head;

    "Sarah was 90 before she gave birth"

    Then it dawned on me that all the key woman in the bible were barren until Yah opened their womb. (we are the bride that is to marry the word or truth; that we may become one and have a union, a common soul.)

    And then the scripture " shall I bring to the birth and not give strength to bring forth?"
    came into my mind.

    And rev. about the woman being clothed in the son (Yahs word) and "paining to be delivered." And as soon as she brought forth seed the advesary was right there to devour her child when it was born. But Yah carried her.

    Well... I just cried. And I had renewed hope that yes... Yah would bring His word forth in me. And His counsel shall stand. And He will perform it, and do it. just like he says he will.

    Indeed... "blessed are they who wait upon Yah".

    Dear Bratu... may our creator not forsake the works of his own hands. For we are fearfully and wonderfully made!


    Ishsha, Your post was wonderful. I copied and filed it!
    Praise Yah! And I see spying received all that as well. He was all over that! It is so wonderful to know the spirit!

    "I come not by observation, but by revelation"


    Love D'

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    The Whirlwind!

    Hi Ishshah,

    "Brilliant". When you put it that way, I can't help but oblige! Praise does do wonders. I am beaming from ear to ear. Even so, let me assure you that any brilliance which I may possess is not my own. I am striving to make it my own, but all brilliance belongs to YAHWEH ELOHIM. Give thanks to HIM that men and women are able to reflect HIS light.

    I agree with you, Ishshah, that the Cross did not begin at Golgotha. Surely, the Cross is an ancient pathway to death, burial, and resurrection. Messiah said:
    Matt 11:25-27
    25 At that time Yahushua answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Adonai of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
    26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
    27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. (KJV)

    John 5:19-20
    19 Then answered Yahushua and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
    20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. (KJV)
    According to these words of Messiah, this pathway is not universal knowledge. It is hidden, and it is only revealed to Messiah and by Messiah. Men in other times and eras have been show bits and pieces. Some like Moses have seen quite a lot. Others have experienced quite a lot, but Messiah put it all together. He both saw and did.

    This is why Messiah is the Savior of mankind. This is why Messiah is the light of the world. This is why Messiah is the Son of YAHWEH because of his seeing and doing. If one sees all the things of YAHWEH, and if one exactly does all the things of YAHWEH, who and what are they? In my book, the one who sees and does, is YAHWEH HIMSELF. Such a seer and doer is the exact image of YAHWEH, a son so to speak. We now have opportunity through Messiah to also be sons (exact images) of YAHWEH through the seeing and the doing revealed to us by Messiah. We have opportunity to follow in his footsteps, that is, if we have seen the pathway.

    I have been searching into and seeking to understand the nature of the Cross for years, but I have only recently (since I met Bratu) sought to explain the Cross in terms of a violent storm. In the past, my thinking either revolved around nuclear fission and fusion or around magnetism as a model for the Cross, but the more I do now contemplate the whirlwind and the storm, the better they appear to me to reflect the nature of the Cross. The more I contemplate the symbol (the storm), the better it seems to fit. What creates the whirlwind? Messiah's Cross is not the only cross at the Crucifixion. There are two others.

    In order for the whirlwind to begin, it may be that there exists a relationship and interaction between the crosses? Do the other crosses in some fashion revolve around Messiah's? Do all the crosses turn as they revolve? What creates the revolving and turning in order that the whirlwind may form?

    Sincerely, Spying

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    Selamta to all,

    I would like to jump into the last two posts by Spying and Bratu. I loved Bratu's last post.

    Spying asked:
    Do you, yourself, see a physical storm as representative of a spiritual process? The lower the pressure the higher the clouds rise, and the eye is a window to heaven. There is no balance in a storm or is there? Can you describe for me a spiritual storm that takes place in time and encompasses the lives of all men like I am working to do for you with the Cross? Have you run across anything like that in your studies?

    What a brilliant set of questions Spying. I hope you will oblidge me a moment of your time.

    Do you, yourself, see a physical storm as representative of a spiritual process? The lower the pressure the higher the clouds rise, and the eye is a window to heaven.

    These are ancient rituals and understandings that have existed for who knows how long. You are describing an inner experience that all seekers experience. Everything is always a reflection of the Ancient of Days who gives salvation to every generation, no matter how we view it or put words to it to describe it. For inner Kingdom awareness is beyond Words. The Inner Temple experience must be lived to know. One can point to the WAY, but the initiate must enter in. What I like about what Bratu is saying, is that the storm is essential in the process. Without destruction, there would be no redemption. The Funnel of the storm is the most interesting of storm symbols. It is the spiral which depicts all things in Creation and also is the serpent lifted up on a pole in the wilderness. The symbolism is steeped with meaning, but lets stay with the funnel. A tornado can either destroy or lift up, depending if you are in the core of it or the outer parts. This will be much like the inner kingdom dweller. Being in the world destroys, being in the world but not of it, is the safe zone. If I am at the center of the Storm, I am safe. If I am in the tulmet, I we be destroyed. But can I move through this world without be a part of the Storm's destructive forces. Can I reside at the eye of the storm?

    Isaiah 26: 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
    21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:

    Any Truth can be seen in Creation. The cross is merely man and man lifted up to his true self: Sons and Daughters of God. The cross has been an initiation ritual from long before Golgotha, a symbolization of man, the Temple, The Image. The three day initiation ritual existed in Egypt, which symbolized the death to self and the rise to the consciousness of the gods. (ie. the mind of Christ and the symbolism of Death, Burial and Resurrection) The initiate (Enochian) was laid on a cross cut slab for three days, until the Consciousness of the Most High rose up within him. However, The Pole that Y'shua was lifted up on also represents that in the Image of the Serpent lifted up in the Wilderness, which was the rod of Isis. The death, burial and resurrection ritual, and the cross, predates Golgotha. As well of the eye of the storm.

    Radical Bridge Building Luvs from Ishshah

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    Thank you for your thoughts DeAnna, but I do not believe in spiritual Israel.

    It is natural Israel that was chosen as a special possession or treasure from out of all the other people.

    It is natural Israel that was given the TEN WORDS (Ten Commandments).

    It is natural Israel that was given the judgments, statutes and ordinances.

    It is natural Israel that was given the TORAH.

    It is with natural Israel that YHUH made his covenant.

    It is natural Israel that was given the promise to possess or inherit the land.

    It is natural Israel that was commanded regarding the BLESSINGS and the CURSES.

    It is natural Israel that will be GATHERED AGAIN and RETURNED TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.

    It is with natural Israel that YHUH will make a New Covenant by writing it on their hearts.

    It is natural Israel that will be given a new heart and a new spirit.
    Genesis 17:8
    And I will give to you (Abraham) and to your seed (natural Israel) after you the land of your sojourning, all the land of Kanaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their (natural Israel) Elohim.
    Abraham and his wife Sarah, Isaac and his wives Rebekah and Leah, and Jacob were all buried in the land of Kanaan (Genesis 49:29-33, 50:12-13).
    Genesis 48:3-4
    3) And Jacob said to Joseph, El Shaddi appeared to me in Luz in the land of Kanaan and blessed me,
    4) And he said to me, Behold, I will make you fruitful and will mutiply you, and will make you a multitude of people. And I will give this land (the land of Kanaan) to your seed (natural Israel) after you as an everlasting possession.

    Jeremiah 23
    3) I will gather my flock (natural Israel) out of all the lands where I have driven them (natural Israel), and will AGAIN bring them (natural Israel) to their (natural Israel) fold.

    Jeremiah 24
    6) For I will set my eyes on them (natural Israel) for good and I will bring them (natural Israel) AGAIN to this land, and I will build them (natural Israel) and not tear down; and I will plant them (natural Israel) and will not pluck up.

    Jeremiah 29
    14) ...And I will turn away your (natural Israel's) captivity and I will gather you (natural Israel) from all the nations and from all the places, there where I have driven you (natural Israel), says YHUH. And I will AGAIN gather you (natural Israel) to the place FROM which I exiled you (natural Israel).

    Jeremiah 30
    3) ...and I will bring them (natural Israel) BACK to the land THAT I GAVE TO THEIR (natural Israel's) FATHERS AND THEY SHALL POSSESS IT.

    Ezekiel 47
    21) And you (natural Israel) shall divide this land for yourselves (natural Israel) by the tribes of Israel (natural Israel).
    22) And it will be, you (natural Israel) shall make it fall by lot for a possession to yourselves (natural Israel), and to the sojourner who dwells among you (natural Israel), who shall father sons among you (natural Israel). They shall be to you (natural Israel) as native-born among the sons of Israel (natural Israel). They shall be allotted a possession among the tribes of Israel (natural Israel).
    YHUH says this to natural Israel:
    Deuteronomy 30
    1) And it shall be when all these things have come on you (natural Israel), the blessing and the curse which I have set before you (natural Israel); and among all the nations where YHUH shall banish you (natural Israel), you (natural Israel) shall bring back to your (natural Israel's) heart these things;
    2) And shall turn back to YHUH and listen to his voice, according to all that I command you (natural Israel) today, you (natural Israel) and your children (natural Israel's) with all your (natural Israel) heart and with all your (natural Israel) soul;
    3) then YHUH will turn your (natural Israel) captivity and he will have pity on you (natural Israel), and will return and gather you (natural Israel) from all the nations where YHUH has scattered you (natural Israel).
    5) And YHUH shall bring you (natural Israel) into the land which your fathers have possessed and you shall possess it; and he shall multipy you above your fathers.
    The following tells what will be done to the enemies of natural Israel (which includes those who seek to dispossess them):
    7) And YHUH will put all these curses on your (natural Israel's) enemies, and on those that hate you (natural Israel), who have persecuted you (natural Israel).

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    Dear Sandy,

    I read what you posted on Ezekiel, and this is what came into my mind. These thoughts are in ( ) as you did (Israel) or they are separate from the scripture. Just thought I would share.

    Ezekiel 36:23-28

    23) ...And the nations will know that I am YHUH when I am made holy,
    through you (Israel), in their eyes.
    24) For I will take you from the nations and gather you out of all the lands
    and bring you into your land. (heart and mind)
    25) Then I will sprinkle clean waters on you and you
    will be clean,

    (Which he does through life, through every revelation he gives us of himself, through every lesson, through every hardship, joy, truth... and His "sprinkling" cleanses us. It's not gonna be like "magic". Yah does not work that way. It will be by His Spirit, and his spirits continuous growth 'in us" or ... our land).

    and I will cleanse you from all your defilement and from all your idols.

    This is not gonna happen in "a day", unless you call a "day" a thousand years. There is a transformation like a caterpillar to the butterfly, but there is still a process. And what looks "dead" on the outside (flesh) could be working miracles on the inside, and one day that being is gonna break out of that dead shell and be something glorious. I believe that is why Yahshua said; "I judge not by the flesh". Cause when we look at the flesh, there is ALWAYS something we can find to point at... but little do we know if the very thing we point at is not the very thing that is causing that person to change on the inside.

    26) And I will also give you a new heart and I will put a new spirit within you.
    And I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh
    and I will give to you a heart of flesh.

    And this he does! Every day! If we are "turning to him"... He is doing this! How do we know if we are "Turning to him"? Well,... Is he on your mind all the time? Do you compare everything to him? When we are "in love" in the flesh we "think about them all the time". We wonder what they think about us.

    27) And I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes and you will keep my judgments and do them.

    This is not a 'Poof' thing, and the whole world sees alike. Because someone is of "like mind" does not mean, they see alike. I am a thief. I lived as a thief and a liar. One day I was convinced that if I truly believed Yah would "cleanse me"... and "cause me" to walk in his statutes, then he would! And I've nothing to worry about. And I did believe this. And I stood on this, in the face of many people, many accusers, many finger pointers that said, DeAnna how dare you quote the bible when I know you lie and steal. And I said, but I won't always! He will "change" me, and "cause" me to walk in his statutes and judgments! And He will give me a "new" heart. I tell you true, I did not wake up one day and say; "I will never steal again". And then I didn't. No! It did not happen that way. I was about to take something and I heard a voice that said; "Is this taking you one step closer to where you want to be? or one step away? " And immediately I no longer "wanted" the thing. I did not desire to have it. I did not "decide" to no longer desire it, I just didn't desire it. It was not of "me". It was Him, changing my heart! I cannot point my finger at another and say "you theif". I am a thief. But Yah in me is not. "Let all men be liars and Yah be true!" It is not that the sin is no longer in me to do, but my faith in him brought it into "remission".

    28) And you will dwell in the land that I gave to
    your forefathers. And you will be my people and I will be your Elohim.

    The land He gave unto our forefathers was the land of Canaan. "Low land"; the same word in hebrew for "Canaan" is also a primitive root word meaning "humble", "humility".

    H3667 ![;n:K. [email protected]`an {ken-ah'-an} ¤ from 03665; TWOT - 1002,1002b; ¤ AV -
    Canaan 89, merchant 3, traffick 1, traffickers 1; 94 ¤ Canaan = "lowland" n pr m 1)
    the 4th son of Ham and the progenitor of the Phoenicians and of the various
    nations who peopled the seacoast of Palestine n pr loc 2) the land west of the
    Jordan peopled by the descendants of Canaan and subsequently conquered by
    the Israelites under Joshua n m 3) merchant, trader

    H3665 [n:K' kana` {kaw-nah'} ¤ a primitive root; TWOT - 1001; v ¤ AV - humble 18,
    subdue 11, bring low 2, bring down 3, subjection 1, misc 1; 36 ¤ 1) to be humble,
    be humbled, be subdued, be brought down, be low, be under, be brought into
    subjection 1a) (Niphal) 1a1) to humble oneself 1a2) to be humbled, be subdued
    1b) (Hiphil) 1b1) to humble 1b2) to subdue

    We truly do inherit this land. We must. For we cannot enter the kingdom without it. And the kingdom is not the land. The kingdom that we are to inherit was set up before the foundation of the world.

    The land that he gathers us out of is Egypt among others. Egypt means;

    H4714 ~yIr;c.mi Mitsrayim {mits-rah'-yim} ¤ dual of 04693;
    Egypt = "land of the Copts" 1) a country at the northeastern section of Africa, adjacent to
    Palestine, and through which the Nile flows adj Egyptians = "double straits"
    2) the inhabitants or natives of Egypt

    H4693 rAcm' matsowr {maw-tsore'} ¤ the same as 04692 in the sense of a
    limit; ¤ 1) "Matsor", a name for Egypt 2) (TWOT) siege, entrenchment

    H4692 rAcm' matsowr {maw-tsore'} ¤ from 06696; ¤ 1) siege-enclosure,
    siege, entrenchment, siege works 1a) siege 1b) enclosure, siege-works, rampart

    H6696 rWc tsuwr {tsoor} ¤ a primitive root; ¤ 1) to bind, besiege, confine,
    cramp 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to confine, secure 1a2) to shut in, beseige 1a3) to shut up,
    enclose 2) (Qal) to show hostility to, be an adversary, treat as foe 3) (Qal) to
    form, fashion, delineate

    He will deliver us (Israel) from these things. And from being and doing these things. If we turn to Him and ask Him to do so.

    H3478 laer'f.yI Yisra'el {yis-raw-ale'} ¤ from 08280 and 0410 ¤
    Israel = "God prevails"
    1) the second name for Jacob given to him by God after his wrestling with the
    angel at Peniel 2) the name of the descendants and the nation of the
    descendants of Jacob 2a) the name of the nation until the death of Solomon and
    the split 2b) the name used and given to the northern kingdom consisting of the
    10 tribes under Jeroboam; the southern kingdom was known as Judah 2c) the
    name of the nation after the return from exile

    H8280 hr'f' sarah {saw-raw'} ¤ a primitive root; ¤
    1) contend, have power, contend with, persist, exert oneself, persevere

    Yes... all of Israel shall be saved. Not the flesh Israel. But all of the israelites that
    have come to truly believe that Yah does indeed reign and rule their lives, their
    hearts, their minds. Yea... their very soul. And they shall be delivered from Egypt,
    oppression, being a slave unto sin. And shall be given a new heart. And a new
    spirit. For Yah does indeed write His laws on our hearts. It may not be all at the
    same time. But it happens to all who are turning to him, and believes that He
    prevails. And little by little, we are truly cleansed. By His hand. By His spirit


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