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    Still Unclean!

    Hi Sandy,

    The following quote from the Tractate Berakoth proves that the land outside Palestine was considered the Diaspora:
    "R. Safra said: R. Abbahu used to relate that when Hananiah the son of R. Joshua's brother went down to the Diaspora,5 he began to intercalate the years and fix new moons outside Palestine. 63a
    The following quote from the Tractate Abodah Zarah and its notes indicated that such lands were ritually unclean. Travelers to these land were required to undergo purification upon their return:
    "Eighty years before the destruction of the Temple it was decreed that neighbouring countries of Palestine5 were to be regarded as ritually unclean.6
    (5) Syria and Asia Minor. (6) One who went outside Palestine was regarded as defiled and on returning had to undergo the usual process of purification. According to Graetz this measure was intended to stem the migration of the people, and in particular of the priests, from the Holy Land." 8b
    So, Sandy, you are an unclean Gentile (Acts 10:28) living in an unclean land, and according to Jewish Law you need to be purified. You are kidding yourself if you think for one moment that under the Law that you can worship ELOHIM without you yourself submitting to the process of purification as outlined in Numbers 19.

    When you consider Acts 21:24 and Numbers 6:9 side by side, you should be able to see that a Nazarite defied by the dead was required to submit to the process of purification before he renewed his vow. On the seventh day of purification, he shaved his dead after being cleansed.
    Acts 21:24
    24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. (KJV)

    Num 6:9
    9 And if any man die very suddenly by him, and he hath defiled the head of his consecration; then he shall shave his head in the day of his cleansing, on the seventh day shall he shave it. (KJV)
    Here is the complete Strong's definition for "chay":

    2416 chay (khah'-ee);

    from 2421; alive; hence, raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively:

    KJV-- + age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life (-time), live (-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.

    According to the above definition "chay" can mean "living". You were the one that insisted that it can only be translated "fresh", not I.

    Sandy, the Septuagint translates the Hebrew phrase as "living water, zao hudor". So, the Rabbis who translated the Hebrew into the Greek do not support your idea that we must use "fresh" rather than "living". The same Greek phrase is used in John's Gospel:
    John 4:10
    10 Yahushua answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of ELOHIM, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. (KJV)
    So, how about it, Sandy? You do recognize that you do have need of entering the process of purification, don't you?

    Sincerely, Spying

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    Re: Unclean!

    Originally posted by Spying
    Hi Sandy,

    The Author of Hebrews makes this comment concerning the ashes of the Red Heifer:
    • Heb 9:13-14
      13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
      14 How much more shall the blood of Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to ELOHIM, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living ELOHIM? (KJV)
    I make mention of these two verses because the Greek work translated "sanctifieth" in the above quote is a present active tense. This means that, at the time that the Author writes, the actual physical ritual of purification is still taking place in Israel. When the Book of Hebrews was written, an individual could still go to the Temple and enter the process of purification. So, we have a record here that the ritual was still in operation in the first century.

    The Book of Acts verifies this operation. Jews in the Diaspora were required to submit to the process of purification as they returned to Jerusalem. It was assumed that travelers would automatically be made unclean through coming in contact with a grave.
    I am not sure what you mean here. The Diaspora was the scattering of the Israelites. That certainly is not the same as a Jew going on a trip and returning to Jerusalem.
    Paul, himself, submitted to being purified at the direction of the Elders of Assembly:
    • Acts 21:24
      24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. (KJV)
    Look at Acts 21:23 and you will see that the four me had a vow on themselves. I believe this to be a Nazarite vow (Numbers 6). I think if you check into this Paul was taking part in a Nazarite vow, not in the purification process concerning the red heifer.
    So, Sandy, here is a clear choice for you. You desired, on the "Is all Israel saved?" Thread, an explanation of keeping the Law spiritually verses physically. This record in Acts shows you an example of someone who was willing to do both. Paul knew full well that Messiah had purged his conscience from dead works to serve the living (According to you, Sandy, this should actually be "the fresh ELOHIM")
    Chay (H#2416) alive; hence raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year)...

    So are you saying that it cannot simply mean fresh water instead of spiritualizing it and insisting that it means living water.

    In your post you quoted from the book of Titus. I too will quote from the book of Titus.
    • Titus 1
      1) Paulos, a slave of Theou, but an apostle of Iesous Christou, according to the faith of the elect of Theou and full knowledge of truth according to piety,
      2) Upon hope of perpetual life, which the Theos that does not lie promised before times perpetual.
      3) But revealed in its own times the proclamation of his word, which I was entrusted, by the command of our savior, Theo;
      4) To Titus, a true child according to a common faith. Grace, mercy, peace from Theou father and Kuriou Iesou Christou our savior.

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  • replied
    Unclean!

    Hi Sandy,

    The Author of Hebrews makes this comment concerning the ashes of the Red Heifer:
    Heb 9:13-14
    13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
    14 How much more shall the blood of Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to ELOHIM, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living ELOHIM? (KJV)
    I make mention of these two verses because the Greek work translated "sanctifieth" in the above quote is a present active tense. This means that, at the time that the Author writes, the actual physical ritual of purification is still taking place in Israel. When the Book of Hebrews was written, an individual could still go to the Temple and enter the process of purification. So, we have a record here that the ritual was still in operation in the first century.

    The Book of Acts verifies this operation. Jews in the Diaspora were required to submit to the process of purification as they returned to Jerusalem. It was assumed that travelers would automatically be made unclean through coming in contact with a grave. Paul, himself, submitted to being purified at the direction of the Elders of Assembly:
    Acts 21:24
    24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. (KJV)
    So, Sandy, here is a clear choice for you. You desired, on the "Is all Israel saved?" Thread, an explanation of keeping the Law spiritually verses physically. This record in Acts shows you an example of someone who was willing to do both. Paul knew full well that Messiah had purged his conscience from dead works to serve the living (According to you, Sandy, this should actually be "the fresh ELOHIM") ELOHIM through the Cross. Paul believed in this spiritual purification:
    Titus 2:11-15
    11 For the grace of ELOHIM that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
    12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
    13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great ELOHIM and our Saviour YAHUSHUA MESSIAH;
    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
    15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. (KJV)
    At the same time, Paul proved himself more than willing to submit to the actual physical process of purification to prove to this fellow Jews that he was not teaching against the physical keeping of the Law in the Diaspora. The Tzaddikim follow in the footsteps of Paul.

    We know that there are two ways to be purified. We know that you yourself live in the Diaspora. Have you ever touched or come into contact with a dead body? Has anyone ever died in your presence? Have you ever walked over or touched a grave? If you have, then you are unclean? Now, you have two choices. You can in all haste travel to Jerusalem and devote the rest of your life seeking to discover the buried physical ashes of the last physically sacrificed Red Cow, or you can express to us, the Tzaddikim, a desire to learn about spiritual purification through Messiah Yahushua. We will accept for now the sincere desire to do either. Eventually, you must accomplish one or the other, Sandy. If you do not, then you are unclean.

    Sincerely, Spying

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  • replied
    Spying wrote:
    When was the last time anyone was purified from sin and death so that they could lawfully worship YAH?
    I don't know Spying, why don't you tell me.

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  • replied
    Lawful Worship!

    Hi Torah,

    When was the last time you participated in the ritual of the Red Heifer? Have you ever had the ashes sprinkled on you? Have you ever felt the need? You know, this ritual is designed to separate you from your sin. When was the last time you watched the ritual taking place? This ritual is foundational to all worship, Torah. It must take place before you are allowed to come into the community of Israel and participate in the doing of the Torah. Until you accomplish this ritual, you are unclean. You are on the outside looking in. The ritual of the Red Heifer, this ritual of purification from sin and death, it is the ORDINANCEof the TORAH:
    Num 19:2
    2 This is the ordinance of the law which the YAHWEH hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke: (KJV)
    Now, I know that the doing of the Torah is in your heart, Torah. I know that the Torah is not in heaven, that the Torah is here, that it is very close to you, that the Torah is the instruction of YAHWEH which you are required to do.

    Why don't you do it? Why do you continually choose death over life? You have never been purified once, not even once in your life. What is your excuse? Could it be that the instruction of YAH is actually very far from you? Torah, when was the last time anyone participated in the ritual of the Red Heifer? When was the last time anyone was purified from sin and death so that they could lawfully worship YAH?

    Sincerely, Spying

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  • replied
    Shalom Ishshah,

    Proverbs 7:4 Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:

    8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

    8:22 Yah "possessed" me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
    23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was
    24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains
    abounding with water.
    25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

    8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the
    face of the depth:

    8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight,
    rejoicing always before him;

    HaleluYah sister!... I should have stuck with
    "Only begotten SON". (smile)

    Though I do not see her as "mother".
    please bear with me...
    I'm pretty sure the "church" is our "mother". Right or wrong (whatever church we attended) she is who Yah "divorces", (Is. 50:1 and Hos 2:2,5 and 4:5) and she is
    who started or gave birth to our spiritual thinking. We all have one. (smile) She is who played the harlot, or "prostituted" the Word of Life. Said, "pay me", and I'll give you an intimate relationship with your heavenly father. And brought in all the pagan holidays, teaching children to believe in a Santa etc. Raising us wrong, so to speak.

    But we are her children none the less. And Yah loves us none the less.
    I think this is why the manifestation of the men having many wives, many children.
    There are many churches, many children. But we find ourselves crying "abba" (father), not "mother". This is not to say there are not good mothers. But in the
    flesh we find an abundance of women who care more for the "men" in their life then their children. In the flesh it is common for the dad to have to "straighten" out the
    children, for the mothers (as a rule) cannot. This is also why we see dads "leaving" their children and the their mothers, as Yah did us. for a moment. (Isaiah 54:7)

    Again... this is not "all", but it is "general". But I do see the tables turning in this day. Dad's are raising their children and mothers are leaving. Though this is hard to see in the flesh, it is wonderous and beautiful in the spirit. Yah is gathering us back, never to leave us again.

    I am really short on time. Please forgive me. I love your understandings. Take care of our brother Spying, he has taught me a lot. Sometimes you have to read
    and reread his posts... he moves slow. But often it's worth the wait.

    Love your sister,
    D'

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  • replied
    Re: The Source of Living Water!

    Originally posted by Spying
    Hi Sandy,

    Please, help me out a little here, Sandy. Who or what do you think that living water is a symbol for? Can you hazard a guess for me? If you are reluctant, is there anyone else who would venture an answer? Once we figure out what the living water represents, then we can work to discover what must be done with the living water. The Torah is very specific. It commands that living water be added to the ashes in a vessel. Who or what do the ashes symbolize? What does the vessel symbolize? No doubt, a container of some sort? It must be a container that will hold water.
    Yes, I know. You believe it to be a symbol for Yahushua. Let's take a look at what Numbers 19 is talking about.
    • Numbers 19
      14) This is the torah (instruction) for when a man dies in a tent; Everyone who comes into the tent and all that is in the tent shall be unclean seven days.
      15) And every open vessel which does not have a covering of thread on it, it is contaminated.
      16) And whoever in the open field touches one that has been pierced with a sword or one that has died of himself or the bone of a man or a grave, shall be contaminated seven days.
      17) And they shall take for the contaminated one from the ashes of the cremated sin offering and put on it fresh waters from a vessel.
      18) And an uncontaminated man shall take hyssup and shall dip it in the water and sprinkle on the tent and upon all the vessels and on the souls that were there and on the one that touched the bone, slain, dead or grave.
      19) And the uncontaminated one shall sprinkle the contaminated one on the third day and the seventh day. And on the seventh day he shall cleanse himself; and wash his clothes and bathe in water and shall be clean at evening.
      20) And the man that is contaminated and does not cleanse himself, that soul shall be cut off from among the assembly, because he has contaminated that set apart of YHUH. The water for impurity has not been sprinkled on him; he is contaminated.

    Please note that the living water is in actuality fresh water. Look it up for yourself (#2416 in Strong's).
    Remember that I said that the Torah is masked. You must get behind the symbols to understand what is happening. This is the real reason that Messiah taught in parables. It forced his disciples, his students to think in terms of symbols. It made them all expect to understand a hidden meaning.
    The Torah (instructions) given to Israel was masked? I don't think so.
    • Deuteronomy 30
      10) You shall listen to the voice of YHUH your elohy, to keep his commandments and his statues which are written in the book of Torah (instructions)...
      11) For this command which I am commanding you today is not too hard for you...
      14) For the word is very near to you, in yur mouth and your hert, that you may do it.
      15) Behold, I have set before you today life and good and death and evil.

    What good are a set of instructions if they are MASKED? The very purpose of instruction is to teach.
    • instruction
      the act of teaching; knowledge imparted; orders or directions.
    • masked
      concealed or hidden; disguised.
    Personally, I feel that what you are saying is opposite of the true purpose of YHUH's Torah (instructions).

    Hint: There are at least two Hebrew scriptures which point blank tell you who is the source of living water. They are both in the same book.
    I am getting tired. Please, just tell me which ones they are.

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  • replied
    The Source of Living Water!

    Hi Sandy,

    Please, help me out a little here, Sandy. Who or what do you think that living water is a symbol for? Can you hazard a guess for me? If you are reluctant, is there anyone else who would venture an answer?

    Once we figure out what the living water represents, then we can work to discover what must be done with the living water. The Torah is very specific. It commands that living water be added to the ashes in a vessel. Who or what do the ashes symbolize? What does the vessel symbolize? No doubt, a container of some sort? It must be a container that will hold water. Remember that I said that the Torah is masked. You must get behind the symbols to understand what is happening.

    This is the real reason that Messiah taught in parables. It forced his disciples, his students to think in terms of symbols. It made them all expect to understand a hidden meaning.

    Hint: There are at least two Hebrew scriptures which point blank tell you who is the source of living water. They are both in the same book.

    Sincerely, Spying

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  • replied
    Spying, please explain how this verse supports your statement "Messiah Yahushua is YAHWEH ELOHIM resurrected or reborn".

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  • replied
    Living Water!

    Hi Sandy,

    Sure:
    Num 19:17
    17 And for an unclean person they shall take of the ashes of the burnt heifer of purification for sin, and running water shall be put thereto in a vessel: (KJV)
    Sincerely, Spying

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  • replied
    Spying wrote:
    YAHWEH ELOHIM emptied himself
    emptied
    1. to become empty
    2. become unoccupied
    3. to deprive of the contents
    4. made void
    5. discharged

    I really cannot agree with such a statement.

    Spying wrote:
    Messiah Yahushua is YAHWEH ELOHIM resurrected or reborn.
    Please show me one single verse of Hebrew Scripture to support this statement.

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  • replied
    Yes, Spying, someone will have to bridge this gap in Yah's Mighty Name, Because Woman as his backside is perposterous.
    Man was created male and female is also incorrect. The species was created male and female.

    Yah is not imbalanced, nor are his ways like ours. Your treatise digs a deeper hole as it goes.You said nothing is out of Yah's control save for the rebellious Elohim.

    The Rebellious Elohyim are in His Control my friend. Have you never read Job, or how Yah put the lies in the prophet's mouths. All things are in Yah's control.

    But I love you still. Because I don't agree STRONGLY, and actually, I did agree with some of what you said, so I take TOTALLY DISAGREE back, and say I disagree with your male/female treatise of the Omnipotent Ruler and Creator. That does not mean I have any opinion on your character. You are lovely. Your words in these two posts are wild however. Keep on Seeking on....As we all are doing. Yah will reveal to all of us who seek Him.

    Most Fruitful Blessings to you
    Iyahna

    I have a PS also, There are some things in your post that are very interesting, but I have to go to work. Poured Himself into the ground is one. This is the same as the Scarab Beetle pouring seed into this dungball called earth.
    I hope to continue with this soon.

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  • replied
    YAHWEH ELOHIM!

    Hi Ishshah,

    "Totally disagree" is pretty strong, isn't it? I suppose total disagreement is ok. What is the worst that can happen? We either have to walk a long ways to come to agreement, or someone else must come along and show us a few shortcuts. The spirit of YAH is fully able to do that.

    YAHWEH ELOHIM according to my view is the whole shebang. There is nothing outside of his control save for the rebellious Elohim. It is my view that YAHWEH ELOHIM emptied himself (themselves) into the ground (man, Adam and Eve). This was a burial of a murdered victim. Spirit is entombed in flesh. Through this process, it is my view that the YAHWEH ELOHIM each gave an essential portion of themselves to the being that is now known as Messiah Yahushua. This portion was divided. Adam had a portion, and Eve had a portion. Some of Messiah Yahushua that was given to Adam and Eve was further divided amongst the men and women we do now refer to as the Elect. The rest of Messiah Yahushua was furthered divided into the whole of mankind. So, if you can read between the lines here, Messiah Yahushua is really the whole shebang. Messiah Yahushua is YAHWEH ELOHIM resurrected or reborn. This is an accomplished fact. In effect, Messiah Yahushua put Humpty Dumpty back together again, and Messiah accomplished this task in such a manner that the rebellious Elohim are left out in the cold. The rebellious were lost from YAHWEH ELOHIM, but now YAHWEH ELOHIM has been restored back to HIS original glory minus the rebellious ELOHIM. These rebellious would include Satan, Set, the false Jesus Christ which is preached today, and all the other Elohim of this world.

    The regathering together of YAHWEH ELOHIM took place at the Cross:
    John 12:32
    32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (KJV)
    The secret behind this gathering is detailed in the Torah. I liken the Torah to a manual that details the creation of a hydrogen bomb. This manual is masked. You can read it and not understand a thing unless you have the key. Messiah discovered the key, and he put the bomb together, and he exploded the bomb, and fusion occurred. The ELOHIM are gathered again. What is their name? Moses said:
    Deut 32:2-3
    2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
    3 Because I will publish the name of the YAHWEH: ascribe ye greatness unto our ELOHIM. (KJV)
    The phrase that for some reason caught my eye in the above prophecy has also been translated, "as the gentle rain upon the tender grass". The Latter Rain can come gently as a sprinkle or violently as a flood. I love gentle rain. With gentleness, we can understand these things together, Ishshah.

    So, what is really the name of YAHWEH ELOHIM? Is it not also Messiah Yahushua? If it is also Messiah Yahushua, it is not also Paul? How about Peter? We can't leave out John, or James, can we? Surely, HIS name should also include Ishshah? How about Bratu? What about Sandy? If so, ascribe ye greatness unto our ELOHIM.

    Sincerely, Spying

    P. S. Man was created male and female. Originally, I believe that Eve was a side of Adam. In my thinking, she is the backside of Adam.

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  • replied
    Wow Deanna,

    The Spirit is all over your words sister. I only have one issue to mention. The first thing that was created was Wisdom, which is before the Word issued forth from the Mouth of the Highest Yah who rideth upon the heavens and not in them. Who is Wisdom? His Delight, is a 'SHE'. Proverbs 8. There must be a woman and an egg to conceive. I have one rule in getting to know Yah. It has to fit into the Old Testament and Universal Law - His Creation. I loved everything else in your post however. The Spirit of Truth was all over it. More on this in a moment.

    Spying,

    Thank you for your response. I totally disagree with it however. Elohyim also means goddesses and the Elohyim or Mighty Ones, are not Yah. A Rightly divided Word will reveal this. Also, Omnipotence is both Alpha and Omega, Male and Female, beginning and end. Yah rides upon the heavens, not in them. We will not call Yah a god, elohyim, male or female, king or queen, but YHVH T'sidqenuw.

    Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and
    Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby
    he shall be called, YHVH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Please notice how the things of Yah are manifestations and not literal things. Righteousness, Truth, Revelation, Transformation, Sanctifacation. Yah is a Verb, not a Thing.
    Yah is Spirit, not flesh. All things on earth are only an image, and the Image is not to be worshipped in any way. In the Omnipotence and manifestations of Yah, there is no image, but Spiritual occurances and manifestations like Word becoming Flesh. But let us not forget that Flesh turns again into Spirit.

    I do agree about what DeAnna said about do not worship anything but Yah. But this would include not worshipping the Son either. I do not believe in Images. The Mother for me, is Wisdom, and the Son the Word. The story is an allegory for the process of times, dispensations and manifestations of the Divine Universal Birthing of Souls. This Macrocosmic occurance is so beyond man's ways, we cannot imagine. (Image) It cannot be imaged.

    I agree with the male/female merger as a symbolism of ruling from weakness and humbling in strength. But not that a Queen becomes a King. In reality we leave flesh and become a Spirit. The rib story is a controversial issue, because the Adam man, doesn't match the Adam, species, male and female. The Adam/Atom is all creation, not just the man. Why was man named ruddy and Eve the Life Giver, then it turned around that he gave life to Eve. There is some of the Nicean Council Political Agenda of Patriarchal rule, when you yourself said that the man should learn how to humble in strength. If it cannot fit into the image, it is not Yah made. There is your man made things. Do you ever see a human made from a rib or a virgin making a baby? Maybe cloning will confirm such a process, but remember that the devil is who is trying to imitate Yah and say he is the ruler and life-giver, The Image wishes to be Yah, when Eve has always been the Life-Giver.

    In Universal Law, we will travel back to Egypt for a moment. Their is a creature called the Scarab Beetle. This beetle lays it's seed in dung, then rolls it backwards in the path of the Sun/Son. Deanna's Bride is very close to this analogy, we just have that missing Wisdom. Let's see why. We can see this gestation process in all egg laying incubators. The father is often the one who sits on the egg to keep it warm. Back to this Scarab dung. The orb is earth, the seeds are in the egg of earth, which is the womb of the Universe, gestating. The Husband of this Bride is the Sun - ie. Bride and Son, not Father and Mother.

    YHVH T'sidqenuw is all encompassing and beyond man's ways, for Omnipotence is all things. Mather's Kabballah states that Y H V H is Father, Mother, Son and Bride. With DeAnna's soul expression and yours, both are still on earth. She with Son and Bride and you with...well, with...I don't know. Respect even still. Yah ( Y and H ) are way beyond those concepts, but DeAnna's soul is following Universal Law, designated in all Creation, she merely skipped Wisdom. She expressed the Son and the Bride as the Father and Mother. The Son and the Bride marry, not the Father and the Bride. The Father is Omnipotence and the Mother Sh'kinah, His Spirit and Wisdom. The Son is the Word and bridgroom and the bride is us. You on the other hand are against the voice of His Creation and are making woman a man. This is against the bible. Woman are not to wear men's clothes and the creation speaks of The Omnipotent Designer of all things. And the daughters of Jerusalem and Zion receive the first dominion.

    Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
    2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
    3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
    4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
    5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
    6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
    7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

    DeAnna was in total accord with the Word.

    But Women do not become men.

    Mic 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

    I can believe man and woman become spirit however.

    There are actually 42 letters in the true name of Yah. These are 42 manifestations of His Works. It would be a blessing to do a study on what they might be. 42 verbs in the bible that describe his intent and purpose on earth. The Hebrew Language only has 22 letters. But the Sanskrit has 52, and all have a meaning. The Modern Hebrew is actually a borrowed and morphed culture from the older ones. The letters have always had meaning. The fact they form words is where perversion begins. Who can read the letter?

    John7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

    For the words often do not describe the Divine Meanings, that truely lie therein. The Hebrew had no periods, vowels, etc. The Modern version is a perversion and one day we will return to the pure language. Thus Notariqon of the Hassids and Y'shua's statement that Disciple know the mysteries and other only parables.

    Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of YHVH, to serve him with one consent.

    With all my love of Truth
    Ishshah
    Who gives all the Glory to Yah

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    The Queen of Heaven

    Hi Ishshah,

    Man is made in the image of YAH. Woman was taken from man, and then she is reunited again with man. That is the purpose of marriage. In order for the spirits to be united, a man and a woman must learn how to live together in peace. This is a skill that a lot of men and woman have acquired in their walk through this physical life. The man must learn how to submit from a position of strength, and the woman must learn how to rule from a position of weakness. As they learn each other's role, they become one, a unified being.

    YAHWEH ELOHIM is a unified being composed of both natures, male and female. With the ELOHIM there is no giving in marriage. The ELOHIM exist together in unity. Combined or united, they are "the being" which we commonly refer to as the FATHER. They all submit, and they all rule. Strictly speaking, there is no queen of Heaven. The ELOHIM are all Kings, each of them have learned how to submit to each other, and each of them have learned how to rule over themselves and each other. That is the definition of a King. This Kingship is a position of service. The greater the service, the greater the King. There is one King of Kings and YAH of YAHS. His name is Messiah YAHUSHUA. He is the greater King because of his greater service.

    So, to make a long story short, burning incense to the queen of Heaven is a no no. The Father has no desire to be worshipped as a queen. The concept of the Queen of Heaven is humanistic. It is earthy. It is derived from looking at the image of YAH, man, who happens to be both male and female, and then making the fatal mistake of looking at YAH and judging that YAH is just like man, separated male and female entities. YAH is one. He is both male and female. What I am saying here, Ishshah, is that in the Kingdom of ELOHIM, a spirit that was female in this physical life, could have a greater position of service than any of the spirits who were males in their physical lives because she has learned how to serve others, she has learned how to submit, and she has learned how to rule her husband and herself from weakness. In the Kingdom of ELOHIM, this spirit is a King. She is not a queen, and believe me, that is the recognition she is due.

    Sincerely, Spying

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