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**beseder** · 06-30-2004, 11:21 PM

here are more definitions:

moral·ly adv.

Synonyms: moral, ethical, virtuous, righteous
These adjectives mean in accord with right or good conduct. Moral applies to personal character and behavior, especially sexual conduct: “Our moral sense dictates a clearcut preference for these societies which share with us an abiding respect for individual human rights” (Jimmy Carter). Ethical stresses idealistic standards of right and wrong: “Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants” (Omar N. Bradley). Virtuous implies moral excellence and loftiness of character: “The life of the nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful, and virtuous” (Frederick Douglass). Righteous emphasizes moral uprightness; when it is applied to actions, reactions, or impulses, it often implies justifiable outrage: “He was... stirred by righteous wrath” (John Galsworthy).

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
moral

\Mor"al\, a. [F., fr. It. moralis, fr. mos, moris, manner, custom, habit, way of life, conduct.] 1. Relating to duty or obligation; pertaining to those intentions and actions of which right and wrong, virtue and vice, are predicated, or to the rules by which such intentions and actions ought to be directed; relating to the practice, manners, or conduct of men as social beings in relation to each other, as respects right and wrong, so far as they are properly subject to rules.

Keep at the least within the compass of moral actions, which have in them vice or virtue. --Hooker.

Mankind is broken loose from moral bands. --Dryden.

She had wandered without rule or guidance in a moral wilderness. --Hawthorne.

2. Conformed to accepted rules of right; acting in conformity with such rules; virtuous; just; as, a moral man. Used sometimes in distinction from religious; as, a moral rather than a religious life.

The wiser and more moral part of mankind. --Sir M. Hale.

3. Capable of right and wrong action or of being governed by a sense of right; subject to the law of duty.

A moral agent is a being capable of those actions that have a moral quality, and which can properly be denominated good or evil in a moral sense. --J. Edwards.

4. Acting upon or through one's moral nature or sense of right, or suited to act in such a manner; as, a moral arguments; moral considerations. Sometimes opposed to material and physical; as, moral pressure or support.

5. Supported by reason or probability; practically sufficient; -- opposed to legal or demonstrable; as, a moral evidence; a moral certainty.

6. Serving to teach or convey a moral; as, a moral lesson; moral tales.

Moral agent, a being who is capable of acting with reference to right and wrong.

Moral certainty, a very high degree or probability, although not demonstrable as a certainty; a probability of so high a degree that it can be confidently acted upon in the affairs of life; as, there is a moral certainty of his guilt.

Moral insanity, insanity, so called, of the moral system; badness alleged to be irresponsible.

Moral philosophy, the science of duty; the science which treats of the nature and condition of man as a moral being, of the duties which result from his moral relations, and the reasons on which they are founded.

Moral play, an allegorical play; a morality. [Obs.]

Moral sense, the power of moral judgment and feeling; the capacity to perceive what is right or wrong in moral conduct, and to approve or disapprove, independently of education or the knowledge of any positive rule or law.

Moral theology, theology applied to morals; practical theology; casuistry.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

moral

\Mor"al\, v. i. To moralize. [Obs.] --Shak.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

moral

\Mor"al\, n. 1. The doctrine or practice of the duties of life; manner of living as regards right and wrong; conduct; behavior; -- usually in the plural.

Corrupt in their morals as vice could make them. --South.

2. The inner meaning or significance of a fable, a narrative, an occurrence, an experience, etc.; the practical lesson which anything is designed or fitted to teach; the doctrine meant to be inculcated by a fiction; a maxim.

Thus may we gather honey from the weed, And make a moral of the devil himself. --Shak.

To point a moral, or adorn a tale. --Johnson.

We protest against the principle that the world of pure comedy is one into which no moral enters. --Macaulay.

3. A morality play. See Morality, 5.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

moral

adj 1: relating to principles of right and wrong; i.e. to morals or ethics; "moral philosophy" 2: concerned with principles of right and wrong or conforming to standards of behavior and character based on those principles; "moral sense"; "a moral scrutiny"; "a moral lesson"; "a moral quandary"; "moral convictions"; "a moral life" [ant: immoral, amoral] 3: adhering to ethical and moral principles; "it seems ethical and right"; "followed the only honorable course of action"; "had the moral courage to stand alone" [syn: ethical, honorable, honourable] 4: arising from the sense of right and wrong; "a moral obligation" 5: psychological rather than physical or tangible in effect; "a moral victory"; "moral support" 6: based on strong likelihood or firm conviction rather than actual evidence; "a moral certainty" [syn: moral(a)] n : the significance of a story or event; "the moral of the story is to love thy neighbor" [syn: lesson]

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

**beseder** · 06-30-2004, 11:26 PM

jus·tice (jsts)
n.

1. The quality of being just; fairness.
2.
1. The principle of moral rightness; equity.
2. Conformity to moral rightness in action or attitude; righteousness.
3.
1. The upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.
2. Law. The administration and procedure of law.
4. Conformity to truth, fact, or sound reason: The overcharged customer was angry, and with justice.
5. Abbr. J. Law.
1. A judge.
2. A justice of the peace.

Idiom:
do justice to

To treat adequately, fairly, or with full appreciation: The subject is so complex that I cannot do justice to it in a brief survey.

[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin istitia, from istus, just. See just1.]

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

jus·tice

Function: noun
Etymology: Old French, from Latin justitia, from justus just
1 a : the quality of being just, impartial, or fair b : the principle or ideal of just dealing; also : conformity to the principle or ideal of just dealing
2 a : the administration of law ; especially : the establishment or determination of rights according to law or equity b : fair, just, or impartial legal process
3 : JUDGE; especially : a judge of an appellate court or court of last resort (as a supreme court)

Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

justice

\Jus"tice\, n. [F., fr. L. justitia, fr. justus just. See Just, a.] 1. The quality of being just; conformity to the principles of righteousness and rectitude in all things; strict performance of moral obligations; practical conformity to human or divine law; integrity in the dealings of men with each other; rectitude; equity; uprightness.

Justice and judgment are the haditation of thy throne. -- Ps. ixxxix. 11.

The king-becoming graces, As justice, verity, temperance, stableness, . . . I have no relish of them. -- Shak.

2. Conformity to truth and reality in expressing opinions and in conduct; fair representation of facts respecting merit or demerit; honesty; fidelity; impartiality; as, the justice of a description or of a judgment; historical justice.

3. The rendering to every one his due or right; just treatment; requital of desert; merited reward or punishment; that which is due to one's conduct or motives.

This even-handed justice Commends the ingredients of our poisoned chalice To our own lips. -- Shak.

4. Agreeableness to right; equity; justness; as, the justice of a claim.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

justice

\Jus"tice\, v. t. To administer justice to. [Obs.] --Bacon.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

justice

n 1: the quality of being just or fair [syn: justness] [ant: injustice] 2: the administration of law; the act of determining rights and assigning rewards or punishments; "justice deferred is justice denied" [syn: judicature] 3: a public official authorized to decide questions bought before a court of justice [syn: judge, jurist, magistrate] 4: the federal department responsible for enforcing federal laws (including the enforcement of all civil rights legislation); created in 1870 [syn: Department of Justice, Justice Department, Justice]

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

justice, IL (village, FIPS 38830)
Location: 41.74640 N, 87.83552 W
Population (1990): 11137 (4390 housing units)
Area: 7.4 sq km (land), 0.1 sq km (water)
Zip code(s): 60458

Source: U.S. Gazetteer, U.S. Census Bureau

justice

is rendering to every one that which is his due. It has been distinguished from
equity in this respect, that while justice means merely the doing what positive
law demands, equity means the doing of what is fair and right in every separate
case.

Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

notice out of all the definitions given- it only gives a concept- not the ACTUAL POINT or the "HOW" or the "WHAT" Justice, Righteousness, or morality is....
SO WHAT IS IT!?

Where is it in devine Law that shows someone is righteous by WHAT righteous act?
By What JUST act is someone called JUST?
What in the divine law (torah) makes someone Just?

or is it just adhering to it that makes a person Just?
if this is so- then Spying- you have no claim against Orthodox Jews!
AT ALL!
POINT!

but i can assure you- this is NOT righteousness!
BUT JEWS, Orthodox and not ARE RIGHTEOUS by one thing!
WHAT IS IT?

**Thummim** · 07-01-2004, 09:19 AM

YHWH alone makes righteous the transgressor.

...Antonio,

...I think that righteousness only comes through GD's reasoning. Is Moses righteous? Many people died, being in his hands. But it was by the will of YHWH. The desert wanderings are to give the lives of the unwilling to concede to YHWH's own righteous ways, to death. Still Moses wasn't allowed to "cross over" into the promised land. He had offended GD by not sanctifying GD in the eyes of the wanderers. This is the sin of christianity to me. Instead of sanctifying YHWH as GD and deliverer, christians instead sanctify {Jesus} as the only deliverer and ask all people to step through this hoop. The common cry of christianity is that {Jesus} is GD! How is this not a sin in the eyes of YHWH? This is a sin worthy of having to watch the righteous "cross over" into the promiseland, then dieing on the other side of the river.

...If GD doesn't reason a man {or woman} righteous, none of their accomplishments will make them righteous. GD is always the judge. We can be righteous in the eyes of each other, but loose our righteousness to GD's own way of reasoning. I think it likely that Moses is righteous in GD's eyes. But he is still a transgressor. Righteousness doesn't infer "perfection" as a requirement of pleasing GD. A righteous man may still be a transgressor. It must be YHWH that makes all righteous to his reasoning. We can walk in the right direction, but only GD says when we arrive at his expectations.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 07-01-2004, 01:28 PM

This is my belief and understanding.
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GEN 15:6
And he believed in the LORD;
and he counted it to him for righteousness.

JN 6:28
Then said they unto him,
What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
JN 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them,
This is the work of God,
that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

To BELIEVE YHSHWH.
HIS HOLY GRACE.
HIS GIFT of HOLY SALVATION.
HIS GIFT of HOLY SPIRIT.
HIS GIFT of HIS HOLY WORD/LAW.

Believing is not just knowing about YHSHWH.
Believing is thinking YHSHWH'S THOUGHTS,
saying YHSHWH'S WORD,
and
living YHSHWH'S WAYS
is BELIEVING.
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I believe that this is righteousness.

My son believes that I will take care of him
no matter what the problem is.
He knows that if there is any danger
he can run right into my arms
because I will provide protection and comfort.
This protection and comfort is available at all times.

My son knows that all he has to do, if he is hungry,
is ask for food or just go to the refrigerator.
There is food for him all the time
and it is available to him at all times.

My GOD YHSHWH is more available than I could ever be.

I believe RIGHTEOUSNESS is believing that
HE has HIS PLANS for ME
and HE WILL ACCOMPLISH HIS PLAN.
All I need to do is
know that I can run to HIS ARMS
for PROTECTION and COMFORT.
All I need to do is know
that I can ask
and HE WILL PROVIDE all my needs.

Many always try to put doubt in me by saying,
"If you are in HIS WILL, HE will provide."

I AM HIS CREATION.
I AM CREATED to do HIS WILL.
I AM HIS WILL.

RIGHTEOUSNESS
is BELIEVING that YHSHWH
is GOD ALMIGHTY
and in CONTROL of all things.
Again, not just knowing it.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Thummim** · 07-01-2004, 04:08 PM

No son of man!

...Ricoel,

18 And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor:

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

...Baruch Ami, YHWH bless his people.

...GD is not a man nor is he the son of man. {Jesus} is not GD. The sin of Moses and Aaron is the sin of all christians. It is YHWH who is to be sanctified as the deliverer! Not any man god. {Jesus} will be left standing on one side of the river while another who is willing to honor YHWH as the only Eloheem, leeds his people across the river into the promised land.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 07-01-2004, 11:53 PM

MICHAEL,
I know that you believe that
the SPIRIT of YHWH exists here on earth.

Please ask HIS SPIRIT to dwell in you.

And please go over our conversation.

LO-AMMI DISCUSSION FORUMS

http://www.lo-ammi.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=216&highlight=Plan

WE will go to the land.

I LOVE YOU, MICHAEL

RICOEL

**Thummim** · 07-02-2004, 09:08 AM

My spirit, my flesh?

...Ricoel writes;

Please ask HIS SPIRIT to dwell in you.

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...This assumes that you don't believe that GD's spirit dwells in me now. So what keeps me reading the tanakh with the imperitive to defend the Name of Yahudah? You also do not believe that a JEW can be filled with GD's spirit unless he professes the faith of christianity, and that {Jesus} is GD. Sorry, I can't bow. My fate is connected to the fates of the many JEWs whom you feel is without GD's spiritual infilling. The sons, the daughters, the servants, the slaves are all to recieve the outpouring of GD's spirit according to Joel. It is upon "all" flesh that this spirit of GD is to be poured. {Flesh?} Can you recieve this? So flesh has gained a place in GD's compassion? Even slaves are to benefit from YHWH's spirit. But christianity wants to regulate who is advantaged from this act of GD. Allow YHWH {from the name of Yahudah} to save all Israel, servants included. I'm sure this is how Israel left Egypt, with all that was theirs covered by GD's own grace. It is upon "flesh" that GD declares that he will pour out his spirit. And it is upon all {JEWish?} flesh for sure. But you must invoke the Name of YHWH to be saved as Joel goes on to say. You don't. Instead you ask all JEWs to invoke the name of {Jesus}. But it isn't going to happen. There is an obvious reason that we need to invoke the Name of YHWH without an SH being inserted into GD's Name. Giving up the Name of "YHWH" is giving up our own name.

....Michael

**Thummim** · 07-02-2004, 09:37 AM

30 Therefore thus saith YHWH of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body shall be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost. Jer. 36: 30

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28 Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?

29 O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of YHWH.

30 Thus saith YHWH, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah. Jer. 22: 28 - 30

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...Ricoel, you're being decieved into puting your faith into a man instead of YHWH. This man is not allowed a throne by GD's own words. The intent of GD is clear in the words that Jeremiah uses. Zerubabbel may become a governer and direct the rebuilding of the temple, but never was he a king. Neither can any of his decendants be a king upon David's throne. I've told you where the king comes from and why he bears the Name of YHWH. I've told you why he is father to all JEWs. {Jesus} is no king of Israel ever! That means that he also is not messiah. That should be obvious since the promise of a messiah is to the JEWish people. The messiah is a blessing to the JEWish people. Jeremiah tells us that this messiah comes when Israel is regathered back into their land {Jer. 23: 1 - 6}. Israel is to dwell securely at this time. Which nation of the middle east do you expect to attack Israel now? Isn't Syria the last real threat to Israel's borders? The security of Israel is being worked out.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 07-02-2004, 01:58 PM

IS 43:3
For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour:
I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

IS 45:15
Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself,
O God of Israel, the Saviour.

IS 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together:
who hath declared this from ancient time?
who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD?
and there is no God else beside me;
a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

IS 49:26
And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh;
and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine:
and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer,
the mighty One of Jacob.

IS 60:16
Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles,
and shalt suck the breast of kings:
and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer,
the mighty One of Jacob.

IS 63:8
For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie:
so he was their Saviour.

LK 1:47
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

LK 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour,
which is Christ the Lord.

JN 4:42
And said unto the woman,
Now we believe, not because of thy saying:
for we have heard him ourselves,
and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

ACTS 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour,
for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

ACTS 13:23
Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise
raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

PHIL 3:20
For our conversation is in heaven;
from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

1TIM 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ
by the commandment of God our Saviour,
and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

1TIM 2:3
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

1TIM 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach,
because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men,
specially of those that believe.

2TIM 1:10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ,
who hath abolished death,
and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

TIT 1:3
But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching,
which is committed unto me according
to the commandment of God our Saviour;

TIT 1:4
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith:
Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father
and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

TIT 2:10
Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity;
that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

TIT 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

TIT 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God
our Saviour toward man appeared,

TIT 3:6
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

2PET 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
to them that have obtained like precious faith with us
through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2PET 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly
into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

2PET 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world
through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
they are again entangled therein, and overcome,
the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2PET 3:2
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken
before by the holy prophets,
and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

2PET 3:18
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

1JN 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son
to be the Saviour of the world.

JUD 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty,
dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

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REV 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,
saith the Lord, which is, and which was,
and which is to come, the Almighty.

REV 1:11
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:
and, What thou seest, write in a book,
and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia;
unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos,
and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia,
and unto Laodicea.

REV 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst
of the fountain of the water of life freely.

REV 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
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I am FOLLOWING GOD, our SAVIOR,
or a mad man.

I know YHSHWH is GOD.
HE is in CONTROL
and
HE KNOWS what HE is DOING.

I LOVE YOU, MICHAEL.

RICOEL

**Thummim** · 07-04-2004, 09:04 AM

YHWH saves his peoples lives and betters them.

...Ricoel posts these texts to show that YHWH is savior. I concur with what these texts say. When Israel went to Egypt looking for another savior, YHWH became angry.

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IS 43:3
For I am YHWH thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour:
I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

--> {this salvation is in this world as shown by the countries the author mentions}

IS 45:15
Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself,
O God of Israel, the Saviour.

--> {This verse of text is explained in the next two verses of text}

7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith YHWH thy Redeemer. Isa. 54: 7, 8

IS 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together:
who hath declared this from ancient time?
who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH?
and there is no God else beside me;
a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

IS 49:26
And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh;
and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine:
and all flesh shall know that I YHWH am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer,
the mighty One of Jacob.

--> This sentiment is also expressed in Isaiah 54: 15 - 17.

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IS 60:16
Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles {nations},
and shalt suck the breast of kings:
and thou shalt know that I YHWH am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer,
the mighty One of Jacob.

--> The context of these words go with vs 12 0f the same chapter.

12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted. Isa. 60: 12

...We must concede that this salvation belongs here on our earth.

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IS 63:8
For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie:
so he was their Saviour.

--> YHWH is the savior of his people. But this has nothing to do with the christian concept of salvation.

....Michael

**beseder** · 07-04-2004, 09:47 AM

OY!

Thummim,
I had really thought that you would be one to get it.

Study up on the HEBREW...
this is my hint to you...
study up on the Hebrew words for Righteousness and Justice.

Also, what is Hessed?
What is it to be a Hassid?

and we will get to Moshe Rabbeinu later to see if he did and was any of these.

you have brought up no definition at all!

and Ricoel hasnt helped at all to get and bring about this definition.
so please, no tangents- though sometimes tangents are good- i think the ones on this thread at the moment are not sufficient nor pertains to this thread.

now, back on topic- thanks

THUMMIM,
in your NEXT Post on this thread,
I would like for you to show everyone what the word for righteousness is.

shalom Your Excellencies,
Antonio

**Thummim** · 07-05-2004, 09:00 AM

tsedaq, tsedaquh

...A prime root, to be right. Abstractly to be equitable. Objectively, justice.

...Righteousness is defined by law or a moral code.

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...Who defines righteousness and what it is? A mans righteousness is not necessarily righteousness to GD. The best intention of a man may fail to be righteousness in GD's eyes. Why then is it an error to allow that GD alone makes his people righteous? Righteousness is an act of GD first. Then men can comply with their best reasoning.

I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. Isa. 43: 25

...Is this righteousness when GD takes it upon himself to forgive his peoples sins?

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of YHWH, and their righteousness is of me, saith YHWH. Isa. 54: 17

...Can the forgiven claim righteousness, though they have not earned it upon their own deeds?

...I reason that GD makes righteousness through his own choices, and that these choices are higher that mankinds choices. Thus GD chooses a people for himself and places them ahead of all others. If righteousness comes at GD's choice, is the one who practices tzadaquh on his own more righteous then he who does not? Any man can seek after righteousness, but not all can be chosen of YHWH.

...Antonio, my take on righteousness may not be exactly what yours is. I have always believed that all righteousness counts, but that a little unrighteousness undoes a whole lot of righteousness. It helps to have GD on your side. When GD makes one righteous, who can undo it? I suspect that Abraham was a little like this. GD chose him.

....Michael

**beseder** · 07-05-2004, 05:18 PM

tzedaka

the meaning of TZEDAKA is simple!

It is in all Synagogues! or at least it is supposed to be!

This meaning is very much also attached to the title TZADDIK (righteous man)

Such as
Ya'acov haTzaddik (Jacob the righteous)

the brother of His Majesty Yeshuah...

this same name from the Hebrew can be translated as such:
Jacob the Just
Jacob the Charitable

so what does Tzedaka mean?

CHARITY
PHILANTHROPY

but it is not a simple giving- it is a giving that looks like it is taking - this is what Tzedaka actually is.

So, when Avinu Avraham was given such a title:
"Tzaddik"

Did not G-D say that ALL NATIONS WOULD BE BLESSED by him?

So Avraham would be what?
Blessing
so Blessings would emulate from Avraham to the nations- Avraham and his seed gives blessing to the nations!
This blessing is, NO DOUBT, Torah!

though this Torah is a free blessing- it costs very much to attain, does it not?

So, it makes it look like a person has worked for Torah and has not attained it for free- this is a form of Tzedaka.

Thus, Avraham is CHARITY!
this is what Tzedaka means!

OYVEY to the English translators!
but, they did an ok job- at least they made sure to make an emphasis on what this hebrew word, Tzedaka (correctly translated in English is Charity) has great weight concerning the Kingdom of Heaven and to be recognized by G-D and to have good standing with him.

Now, how do we give charity?

well Thummim, you may make up your own rules, or go to the Karaism-- they have their own rules concerning Tzedaka if they even DO Tzedaka.

Or you can find out what it is specifically through the Pharisees, the Traditional Orthodox Jews today.

But you make the decision.

I can see why you dislike Rabbinic Judaism and do not trust it- For even His Majesty Yeshuah himself gave praise to pharisaic Hassidic Judaism!

shalom u'brachot
Antonio

**beseder** · 07-05-2004, 05:24 PM

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