Righteousness?

[Spying]

Sharing Our Joy!

Hi Thummim,

Thank you for your comments, and I think that I am really hearing you. Often we write to each other without hearing each other.

When my wife and myself left fellowship with the Tzaddikim in order to provide my youngest daughter with a feeling of safety, we entered into fellowship with a number of diverse groups. We eventually decided to remain with a group which established all the Feasts and High Sabbath Days by following the Jewish Calendar. Love requires that you accept your neighbor where he is and not where you in all your knowledge and wisdom know that he should be! I know that establishing the Holy Days by calculated calendar is religion by rote. It teaches the individual very little. Indeed, this practice hides the truth! Even so, if you need me, I will be there for you! I will accept your practice in order to eventually lead you in the proper direction. Love requires that I think of your needs first.

This I did do with the above fellowship, and I very slowly and gently attempted to lead them to the truth of many matters. I was disfellowshipped by them over another issue, but I did do my best for them as I do my best for all that I encounter. This you know is true.

So, if I were your neighbor living with you in Washington, I would celebrate the feasts with you according to your practice, and I would take great delight in sharing your joy, but I would at the same time be working to increase our joy.

Sincerely, Ab

[Spying]

Changing Dates?

Hi Thummim,

Kings do not have the authority to change the date of Passover. Indeed, no one has the authority to change the dates that ELOHIM has established by HIS own authority. No one, not the Rabbis, not me, not you, no one has that authority. Yet, I am willing to consider arguments to the contrary just in case ELOHIM should deem it expedient to change HIS established dates.

The Passover of the Second Moon is permitted and established by the Torah:

Num 9:9-13
9 And YAHWEH spake unto Moses, saying,
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto YAHWEH.
11 The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.
13 But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of YAHWEH in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin. (KJV)

So, Hezekiah and company were following the dates established by ELOHIM considering the uncleanness of Israel and her dispersal:

2 Chr 30:1-4
1 And Hezekiah sent to all Israel and Judah, and wrote letters also to Ephraim and Manasseh, that they should come to the house of YAHWEH at Jerusalem, to keep the passover unto YAHWEH ELOHIM of Israel.
2 For the king had taken counsel, and his princes, and all the congregation in Jerusalem, to keep the passover in the second month.
3 For they could not keep it at that time, because the priests had not sanctified themselves sufficiently, neither had the people gathered themselves together to Jerusalem.
4 And the thing pleased the king and all the congregation. (KJV)

It does please Messiah, and it does please the Tzaddikim that the people of Israel and Judah should gather in spiritual Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover of the Second Spiritual Moon so you need not worry about me dying alone. If Messiah is with me, I am never alone, and I know that my ADONAI does pray me, but what of you Jews? I know, you shall all die together, happy in your uncleanness, bearing your own sin of refusing to proclaim the events that Messiah has established by HIS OWN Authority! Shame on you for not following the NEW MOON!!

Sincerely, Ab

[Thummim]

Do what they say?

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. Mat. 23: 2, 3

...Do you ask otherwise? If we do as asked, we are together as one people, doing what the rabbi's do. Spying, are you right or wrong by these words?

Shana Tovah!

....Michael

[Spying]

Why Follow The Dead?

Hi Thummim,

Yes, I do, and I will endeavor to explain why!

Messiah was born under the Torah or Law. This makes Messiah subject to the Law.

The Law provides that someone sit in the Seat of Moses. At the time that Messiah spoke the words which you quoted, the Scribes and Pharisees did occupy the Seat of Moses; therefore, Messiah did properly acknowledge them.

With the death and resurrection of Messiah, this situation changes. Messiah has united all of Israel in his death, and the dead sit in no seat and have no authority over anyone save for the dead. Therefore, the Scribes and Pharisees, i.e. elements of orthodox Judaism, no longer have the power to make decisions that are binding upon me. I am part of the Living, and the Dead have no part with the Living.

With the resurrection of Messiah, there is no one else alive so all authority does now belong to Messiah (Matthew 28:18), and Messiah Yahushua only gives his authority to his friends (John 15:13-15).

I am a friend of Messiah so I encourage you to follow Messiah. Why should anyone remain with the Dead when they can be with the Living?

Sincerely, Ab

[Thummim]

Corrupt fruit!

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. Mat. 12: 33

...{Jesus} is christianity. What is christianity? What is its fruit?

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/HistoryJewishPersecution.htm

...I have my reasons for rejecting {Jesus} as any kind of a righteous tree! So why should christians ask JEWs to become christians anyway? The Moabites and the Ammorites offended YHWH's Name less then christians have, yet GD cursed both the Ammorites and the Moabites. But you think he will bless christianity {the faith of Rome} in some way? GD could as much curse his own Name which is "YaHudaH" that he chose to "put" his name into {Deut. 12: 5 --> Ps. 78: 67 - 69}, then bless the christian faith. You can trust in {Jesus}, we will trust in the Name of our GD. We walk as a single people. We are not allowed to walk in different directions as a peoples, and eat fruit from strange trees. Eating the fruit of christianity is eating death as you can see.

....Michael

[Spying]

If The Shoe Fits, Wear It!

Hi Thummim,

There are roughly 1400 years between Moses and Yahushua. With the possible exception of EliYAH, did not all die from Moses to Yahushua?

There are roughly 2000 years between Yahushua and the present.

As far as Jews know, all have died from Moses to the present!

As far as Christians know, with the possible exception of Mary, all have died from Messiah to the present.

If it looks like the same tree, if its fruit is the same, is it not the same tree?

So, what advantage do you, Jew, have over your Christian Brothers? And what advantage do you, Christian, have over your Jewish Brothers?

Sincerely, Ab

[Spying]

What I See!

Hi Beseder,

Please, look again at my rebuttal. Messiah is the New Moon so I see no problem in my thinking.

The physical Jew is required to go outside and see the physical New Moon with his physical eyes.

The spiritual Jew is likewise required to lift up his spiritual eyes and see Yahushua on the Cross.

What is your response to the suffering and death of Messiah? Do you like your brethren stumble over that marvelous flicker of light shining in the darkness?

What do you see when you look at the Cross? I see a Jew who is giving birth to all of mankind. I see a man who is uniting the spirit of all men in one body of death so that all can be united in one body of life. I see a New Moon that blossoms into a Full Moon!

I see the renewal of YAHWEH ELOHIM! And, yes, I did have to see HaShem on the Cross before I could learn to obey HIM! Yes, Sir!!!

I suppose that some will indeed call that idolatry!

Sincerely, Ab

[Thummim]

...Spying writes;

There are roughly 1400 years between Moses and Yahushua. With the possible exception of EliYAH, did not all die from Moses to Yahushua?

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...Spying, this is a stupid argument designed to sweep the evil nature of the christian faith under the rug. It doesn't work because of the rather large bump in the middle of the rug. Try something different! You are saying that death covers all evil. You are very wrong. You eat from a corrupt tree without even having a clue to what the penalty is that you will meet.

....Michael

[israelthebride]

I have been reading this post
and when YHSHWH'S FESTIVALS came in on the conversation
I was involved.

This is my belief and my understanding.
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YHSHWH'S PLAN is told from Genesis to Revelation.
There is nothing YHSHWH has SAID and/or ESTABLISHED that is dead
except for the PRIESTHOOD and the SACRIFICE.

YHSHWH, HIMSELF, came as SAVIOR and ESTABLISHED HIMSELF
as PRIEST "after the order of Melchisedec"
and
became our (HIS PEOPLE) FINAL PURE/RIGHTEOUS SACRIFICE.

YHSHWH'S FEASTS are ESTABLISHED as HIS PLAN for HIS CREATION.
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YH’SHWH’S FESTIVALS fulfilled

Every SHABBAT,
we partake of YHSHWH'S BODY and HIS BLOOD
and remember who we are in HIM.

PASSOVER was fulfilled when our SAVIOR died as our LAMB
on the exact date.

FIRST FRUITS was when HE ROSE on the exact date.

FEAST of WEEKS (PENTECOST)
was when HIS LIVING LAW (HIS SPIRIT)
came to indwell HIS ISRAEL on the exact date.

JER 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

These three FEASTS ahve been fulfilled.

But,

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:
I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.
MT 5:17-18
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These FEASTS will be fulfilled.

Day of HIS SHOFAR will be fulfilled by us, HIS BODY.
The Last TRUMP:

REV 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet;
and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

REV 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud;
and their enemies beheld them.
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The Day of ATONEMENT will be the JUDGEMENT.
HE tells us WHO will be our JUDGE.

Jesus cried and said,
He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
I am come a light into the world,
that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

And if any man hear my words, and believe not,
I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world,
but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words,
hath one that judgeth him:
the word that I have spoken,
the same shall judge him in the last day.
JN 12:44-48


Revelation

22:12 "Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work. 22:13 I am the Alef and the Tav, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

22:14 Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

22:15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

22:16 I, Yeshua, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David; the Bright and Morning Star."
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These servants, in Matthew, know their MASTER.
They are not unbelievers.
These servants are BELIEVERS
that are given certain levels of understanding
according to their place in HIS BODY.

The "work" is the LIVING in this understanding.

Matthew

25:13 Watch therefore, for you don't know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

25:14 "For it is like a man, going into another country, who called his own servants, and entrusted his goods to them.

25:15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one; to each according to his own ability. Then he went on his journey.

25:16 Immediately he who received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents.

25:17 In like manner he also who got the two gained another two. 25:18 But he who received the one went away and dug in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

25:19 "Now after a long time the lord of those servants came, and reconciled accounts with them.

25:20 He who received the five talents came and brought another five talents, saying, 'Lord, you delivered to me five talents. Behold, I have gained another five talents besides them.'

25:21 "His lord said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a few things, I will set you over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.'

25:22 "He also who got the two talents came and said, 'Lord, you delivered to me two talents. Behold, I have gained another two talents besides them.'

25:23 "His lord said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a few things, I will set you over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.'

25:24 "He also who had received the one talent came and said, 'Lord, I knew you that you are a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter.

25:25 I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the earth. Behold, you have what is yours.'

25:26 "But his lord answered him, 'You wicked and slothful servant. You knew that I reap where I didn't sow, and gather where I didn't scatter.

25:27 You ought therefore to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received back my own with interest.

25:28 Take away therefore the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents.

25:29 For to everyone who has will be given, and he will have abundance, but from him who doesn't have, even that which he has will be taken away.

25:30 Throw out the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

Now, read about the ten virgins that need
the LAMP (YHSHWH'S HOLY WRITTEN WORD/LAW - Genesis to Revelation)
and
the OIL (YHSHWH'S HOLY LIVING WORD/LAW - HIS SPIRIT)
to be able to MARRY the BRIDEGROOM.
(Matthew 25)
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Then,
the FEASTS of TABERNACLES

The only FESTIVAL that will be celebrated
during the Thousand Year Reign after the Day of ATONEMENT (JUDGEMENT):

And it shall come to pass,
that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem
shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
And it shall be, that whoso will not come up
of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem
to worship the King, the LORD of hosts,
even upon them shall be no rain.

And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain;
there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen
that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations
that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
ZECH 14:16-19


Tabernacles will be the day of
The ONENESS of YHSHWH and HIS BRIDE.
(Revelation 21)
HE will LIVE in us, HIS BRIDE.
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YHSHWH’S WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation), to me,
is as “NOW” as it “WAS” when it was first written on wooden tablets.
Each and every WORD, in HIS ONE BOOK, is consistent in any and all situations that will GLORIFY YHSHWH.

YHSHWH’S WORD/LAW is HIS WILL
nd HIS WILL is my delight – my joy.
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PSALM 40_
For the Chief Musician. A Psalm by David.

40:1 I waited patiently for the LORD.
He turned to me, and heard my cry.

40:2 He brought me up also out of a horrible pit,
out of the miry clay.
He set my feet on a rock,
and gave me a firm place to stand.

40:3 He has put a new song in my mouth, even praise to our God.
Many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.

40:4 Blessed is the man who makes the LORD his trust,
and doesn't respect the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

40:5 Many, LORD, my God, are the wonderful works which you have done,
and your thoughts which are toward us.
They can't be declared back to you.
If I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered.

40:6 Sacrifice and offering you didn't desire.
You have opened my ears.
You have not required burnt offering and sin offering.

40:7 Then I said, "Behold, I have come.
It is written about me in the book in the scroll.

40:8 I delight to do your will, my God.
Yes, your Torah is within my heart."

40:9 I have proclaimed glad news of righteousness in the great assembly.
Behold, I will not seal my lips, LORD, you know.

40:10 I have not hidden your righteousness within my heart.
I have declared your faithfulness and your salvation.
I have not concealed your loving kindness and your truth from the great assembly.

40:11 Don't withhold your tender mercies from me, LORD.
Let your loving kindness and your truth continually preserve me.

40:12 For innumerable evils have surrounded me.
My iniquities have overtaken me, so that I am not able to look up.
They are more than the hairs of my head.
My heart has failed me.

40:13 Be pleased, LORD, to deliver me.
Hurry to help me, LORD.

40:14 Let them be disappointed and confounded together who seek after my soul to destroy it.
Let them be turned backward and brought to dishonor who delight in my hurt.

40:15 Let them be desolate by reason of their shame that tell me, "Aha! Aha!"

40:16 Let all those who seek you rejoice and be glad in you.
Let such as love your salvation say continually, "Let the LORD be exalted!"

40:17 But I am poor and needy.
May the Lord think about me.
You are my help and my deliverer.
Don't delay, my God.
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AMEN!!!

LOVE, RICOEL

[Spying]

The Tree Is Made Known By Its Fruit!

Hi Thummim,

Judaism, with whom you are identified, is the Mother. Christianity, with whom you continually attempt to identify me, is the Daughter. Both are harlots. They both bear the same fruit because they are from the same corrupt tree. All the adherents of Judaism and Christianity that you have known in your lifetime have perished (died in their sins). There is no life in any of them so why do you follow them?

Sincerely, Ab

[Spying]

What Of Messiah's Vow?

Hi Israelthebride,

Messiah said:

Luke 22:15-16
15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of ELOHIM. (KJV)

If Messiah lives and dwells in and with you, how is it that you say that you eat of the Passover every Sabbath, or that the Passover has indeed been fulfilled? Are you saying by your supposed eating of the Passover that the Kingdom of ELOHIM has indeed come?

Sincerely, Ab

[Thummim]

Growing up in the right time

...Spying posts;

Judaism, with whom you are identified, is the Mother. Christianity, with whom you continually attempt to identify me, is the Daughter. Both are harlots. They both bear the same fruit because they are from the same corrupt tree. All the adherents of Judaism and Christianity that you have known in your lifetime have perished (died in their sins). There is no life in any of them so why do you follow them?

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...And why follow Moses and Aaron? Didn't they both die in their sins? Neither knew enough to sanctify YHWH as the deliverer of his people. Isn't this also the sin of {Jesus}, one that will keep him out of the promised land? Why have christians sanctified {Jesus} as the sole deliverer and not YHWH? YHWH always forgives "all" of his people, but {Jesus} forgives only those who choose to follow him. That means that the JEWish people need another deliverer.

15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

...He will "grow up" in those days of security? {read also Jer. 23: 1 - 6} I told you about him but you didn't listen to me. These words are not about {Jesus} at all. They are about a child whose Name is "YHWH" {YaHudaH}, his birth rite. He wraps the JEWish people up in the Name of YHWH. When did {Jesus} grow up? Was his time one of Jerusalem's {and Judah's} peace?

16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, YHWH {is} our righteousness. {and his Name} Jer. 33: 15, 16

...Compare these words with Isaiah 9: 6, 7 which also are not about {Jesus} at all, but a king who will set a heir upon David's throne who will "grow up" in the specified time.

Jer. 33: 22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

...The seed of David? This seems to say that a child will be born in a time of Judah's security. He will contribute seed to David's line. This says to me, that {Jesus} cannot be spoken of here. We can assume that this man is born a child in his own time, making his existance possible now or in a little while. If he is to sit upon David's throne, he must have some rite to it. I believe that the 38th chapter of Genesis opens up this rite. But he needs the "red thread" to mark his rite {a red birthmark on his right arm?}. Perez is always the firstborn twin of Tamar's, of Judah's decendants. The firstborn is displaced by a younger child in the case of Ishmael, Esau, Reuben and Manasseh. Why not also in the case of Perez? This heir will inherit Judah's seed and carry on his line. David's seed is Judah. YaHudaH is his name by rite, and the seed of Judah is his. He is father, and his children are the JEWish people. His Name is YHWH {from four of the letters of the tribe whose name he inherits} This makes Isaiah's words {Isa. 9: 6, 7} possible. His Name is GD, {YHWH according to Jeremiah} and he is the father of the JEWish people by rite. His {peace} is the substance of Jeremiah's chapter, 33: 15 - 17. Marrying the Name of YHWH to the JEWish people is righteousness for all JEWs.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto YHWH of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of YHWH of hosts. Zech. 14: 21

--> Judah married a Canaanite.

11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of YHWH which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god. Mal. 2: 11

....Michael

[israelthebride]

Are you saying by your supposed eating of the Passover that the Kingdom of ELOHIM has indeed come?

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees,
when the kingdom of God should come,
he answered them and said,
The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say,
Lo here! or, lo there!
for, behold,
the kingdom of God is within you.
LK 17:20-21

LOVE, RICOEL

[beseder]

And when he (Yeshuah) was demanded (tested- as all pharisees tested eachother- this is seen and confirmed in the Talmud) of the Pharisees,
when the kingdom (government) of God should come,
he answered them and said,
The kingdom(government) of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say,
Lo here (only in this synagogue)! or, lo there (in that synagogue)!
for, behold,
the kingdom of God is within you(pharisees).
LK 17:20-21

[Spying]

The Deliverer!

Hi Thummim,

Our enemies are the sins that control and enslave us. Having sinned, we are gripped by death. Death is the giant that must be conquered and overcome. My deliverer will fight against sin and death, and he/she will win. This is total warfare, and there is no substitute for victory in this war. There is no peace if death is not defeated and overcome. Moses and Aaron did not win this war; therefore, they were not the deliverer. If you die for your own sin, you reap what you have sown, and you prove thereby that you are not the victor over death; rather, death is victorious over you. If you yourself are not delivered from sin and death, how can you deliver anyone else? This is the history of Judaism and Christianity. So neither Jews nor Christians are the deliverer. They hold to the form of religion; yet, in their own lives, they deny the power of righteous action being fully under the control of sin. Simply put, they are hypocrites. Unless something is changed for them, they will all die in their sins!

So, I agree that Jews and Christians have need of a deliverer, and I also agree that the deliverer comes from Judah. Did not Messiah Yahushua come from Judah?

Sincerely, Ab