Righteousness?

[beseder]

hi thummim,
just to post quickly-
it wont be all that profound with references and the sort.
However,
Yaphthach was righteous or rather would have had a great merit of righteousness because of his good intention at heart when he made the vow.

He was certain that it would have been an animal that would have come out to greet him.

But he didnt THINK well.

He may have had a dog- and he knew that dogs are by no means a pleasing sacrifice to HaShem...
he may have had a cat- who knows, the cat may have came to greet him...

So, no, he didnt think this through very well.

Though his intent was good, he obviously forgot his household.

Thus, he also put blame on his daughter for comming out to greet him.
This shows how far he was not correct in his heart.

next,
he could have easily revoked the vow if he had consulted the judge and prophet of that time- Phinehas.
However, he was to haughty to speak with him since he thought to himself that he is the a leader in Yisrael, thus, "Phinehas as a servant of G-D and Yisrael, since he is a prophet and judge should come seek me out to help me since he is to take care of Yisrael".

So he was of a bad heart concerning ego and blame.

If he was righteous?
Probably not in his time-
However, if he were in our time he would most definately be the greatest amoungst us all and has much more of a chance to fulfill Spyings dream of elongated life than we.

but, i do not understand why you brought him into the picture of righteousness?

Though i do see that it may have been "relative",
I don't see how this fits exactly into our original debate?

shalom u'brachot,
Antonio

[Thummim]

Is righteousness is a matter for {el}oheem {the judges} or Eloheem to decide?

...Antonio, I wanted to show that righteousness is not always simple to reason out. Yephthah helped me get this idea across. I also wanted to show that GD has a part in what we call righteousness. GD tells us what righteousness is. It is he that best determines whether or not we are righteous. A slight squint of the eye will call our reasoning into question.

...I visited the sight that you posted and spent some time reading on the matter of {el}oheem, as opposed to Eloheem. Understanding the idea will require a little more work on my part. It is not an easy idea for me to swallow, though I can reason the same connection of YHWH to the name of YaHudaH, though the one whose post I was reading couldn't seem to.

....Michael

[beseder]

Hi Thummim,

I guess I am beginning to understand why you brought him up.

and I accept it as a valid point.

and to answer your last posts' title
who is to decide what righteousness is?
the answer is simple from my understanding on my part--- BOTH
for they are the same- or rather I should say, ECHAD!

I know I am terrible!
I dont explain anything in depth, right?

If you dont know exactly to what I am getting at, let me know.

But, really, forgive me, the way I communicate on forums is to have people question and then to do homework.

shalom u'brachot chaver,
Antonio

[Spying]

The Fast?

Hi Everyone,

Today, Sabbath, is the Day of Atonement for the Jews. Observant Jews started their fast yesterday afternoon. I will begin my fast late this afternoon.

The Jews play games with the calendar so that Atonement does not fall on a Friday. I am not certain, but I think that they feel the same about Atonement falling on a Sunday?

Who is right, and therefore is doing right? Whoever does right has righteousness! Is it possible that a believer in Messiah could be more righteous than all the observant Jews (Pharisees) of this world in this matter? When does the true fast begin?

Sincerely, Ab

[Thummim]

A difference between calendars.

...Spying posts;

The Jews play games with the calendar so that Atonement does not fall on a Friday. I am not certain, but I think that they feel the same about Atonement falling on a Sunday?

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...Tishrei 1 to Tishrei 10 is ten days. The evening of Elul 29 {Wednesday the 15th of September} is the start of Rosh Hashana. Because a day begins with the suns setting, many people get confused. Yom Kippur began on Tishrei 10 as it is supposed to. That was Friday evening, the 24th of September.

...The Hebrew calendar marks its days on the day after each evening ends on a Julian calendar. This is the best way to number the days on a calendar that is really two calendars. There are no "games" being played with the Hebrew calendar if we use only a Hebrew calendar.

....Michael

[Spying]

Playing Games!

Hi Thummim,

Thank you also for your patience in waiting for a reply from me!

The Tzaddikim look for the physical new moon each month. We do so in order to establish the physical observance of Messiah's Supper as well as all the High Sabbath Days associated with the feasts. Before we proclaim a new month, we require that at least two of us sight the New Moon. Originally, we did not allow our wives to be witnesses to the sighting of the New Moon, but now we do.

The New Moon of the Seventh Month is very special. When it is sighted and properly proclaimed, the Day of Shouting begins (Leviticus 23:24-25)!

This year, 2004, some of the Tzaddikim began looking for the New Moon of the Seventh Month on Tuesday, September 14. The majority of us felt that we would not see the New Moon until Wednesday, September 15. In St. Louis (all calculations in this post are for St. Louis), moonset was 21 minutes after sunset on September 14. On September 15, moonset was 45 minutes after sunset. Generally, we do not see the New Moon unless there is about 30 minutes difference between sunset and moonset so the new moon was rather visible on Wednesday, September 15th. If the New Moon is seen on September 15, then September 16 becomes Rosh HaShanah, and Yom Kippur falls on Sabbath, September 25th. This is what occurred this year for you, not because you visually sighted the New Moon, but because you follow Jewish practice.

Let's look at Jewish practice last year. Rosh HaShanah fell on Sabbath, September 27th. This means that we need to look at moonset on Friday, September 26th. When we look, we discover that there was a 38 minute difference between moonset and sunset so the New Moon was visible on Friday evening, and with the proper sighting, Sabbath, September 27th, becomes Rosh HaShanah as it happened for you.

Now, let's look back to 2002. That year, according to the calculated calendar, Rosh HaShanah fell on Sabbath, September 7th, so we must look and see if the New Moon was visible Friday evening, September 6th. Moonset was 14 minutes after sunset on Friday evening so it would have been very difficult to visually sight the New Moon on that day; yet, the Jews declared Sabbath, September 7th, as Rosh HaShanah.

Here is where I have a problem. This year on September 14th there was a 21 minute difference between moonset and sunset; yet, the Jews did not declare Wednesday, September 15th, to be Rosh HaShanah. Why not? When you count the days forward to Yom Kippur you clearly see that Yom Kippur would have fallen on Friday if the Jews had been willing to consistently follow their own practice. This is why I say that the Jews play games. If not so, then please help me to understand.

Sincerely, Ab

[Thummim]

The JEWish callendar

...Spying, perhaps this will help you to understand how the date of Rosh Hashana is determined. Its all over my head. But it is not a hap-hazzard determination plan that is used.

http://www.friesian.com/calendar.htm#jewish

....Michael

[beseder]

There is something that you are not aware of AT ALL about the Hebrew Calendar Allen.heir
You are so not aware!
As to when the Moon actually is at its full in each month...when you can calculate the moon, it is simple to do as the Rabbis have done.

And as it is said and taught:
Those who do not learn how to calculate the calendar are not worthy of the world to come..thus, it shows that there is great importance for Jews to know the calendar, and by what you say it looks like they are guilty of their own requirement.

I believe that you need to stop your Opposition and look at them with an open eye now-
Because everything that you are saying is falling into a pit in which it will not fruit- especially within me, especially because I know about the calendar and its basics on calculating.

Shalom u'brachot,
Poriel

[Spying]

The Wonderful World Today!

Hi Thummim,

Thank you for the link! It is over my head also. So are we unworthy of the wonderful world that has come? ADONAI, help thou our unworthiness!

Your link clearly shows that Yom Kippur cannot fall on a Friday as I have indicated above. I am curious, Thummim, did you previously know that the Rabbis have taken great liberty in deliberately disregarding the Day of the Month in which Atonement must be made? How do we begin to determine if their tradition is correct?

1 Cor 2:11
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of ELOHIM knoweth no man, but the Spirit of ELOHIM. (KJV)

Sincerely, Ab

[Spying]

Keep It Simple, Allen!

Hi Beseder,

Thank you for your comments. It is good to hear from you! I know that you are learning what Messiah desires that you learn.

ELOHIM did make it simple. The Jew in the Diaspora can tell when the Sabbath begins by watching the sun set; eventhough, Jews no longer have the trumps blown at intervals to announce the coming of the Sabbath. In like manner, the Jew can also tell when the new month begins by simply going outside and looking up to observe the New Moon. It is the same for the Full Moon. Even so, what is rather simple, has been made difficult by the Rabbis! If you will not believe the evidence before your very eyes, what need, may I ask, have you of further calculation?

Sincerely, Ab

[beseder]

Hahaha

Allen,

it is a concept that you seem to over look.
"just because you don't see it, it doesn't mean it isn't there."

or "just because you don't see G-D doesn't mean he does not exist."
a fairly simple concept...so how do you calculate the moon as if you did see it when you dont see it.

this is the concept, the idea- now what is its reality?
that we will indulge after i see your response.

[Thummim]

Desire to be with us.

...Spying posts;

Your link clearly shows that Yom Kippur cannot fall on a Friday as I have indicated above. I am curious, Thummim, did you previously know that the Rabbis have taken great liberty in deliberately disregarding the Day of the Month in which Atonement must be made? How do we begin to determine if their tradition is correct?

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...Spying, are you really placing your own judgement above that of the rabbis? Can GD grant the discression to the rabbinate to make these determinations?

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And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of YHWH. Nu. 28: 16

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15 Then they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the second month: and the priests and the Levites were ashamed, and sanctified themselves, and brought in the burnt offerings into the house of YHWH.

16 And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received of the hand of the Levites.

17 For there were many in the congregation that were not sanctified: therefore the Levites had the charge of the killing of the passovers for every one that was not clean, to sanctify them unto YHWH.

18 For a multitude of the people, even many of Ephraim, and Manasseh, Issachar, and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet did they eat the passover otherwise than it was written. But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, The good YHWH pardon every one

19 That prepareth his heart to seek God, YHWH God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary.

20 And YHWH hearkened to Hezekiah, and healed the people {excepted their pesach}. II Chr. 30: 15 - 20

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...To whom does GD give the discression to determine the date of Rosh Hashana too? You or the Rabbinate? You now know that determining this date is no game. If a king can change the date of Pesach, then just maybe GD has given his blessing to the rabbinate to lead his flock and has blessed their way of reading the Hebrew calendar. You are not making your argument with me and Antonio. You are making it with YHWH. With what heart do we approach GD on the day of atonement? A right heart is what GD is seeking. Will GD render a verdict in your favor to overturn the good hearts of his own people? To me it is better to share with the JEWish people the high holy days, then to be {more or less right?}, and to change the calendar and then find myself all alone in my own count of days. It is more important to be with the JEWish people with our doors shut and have the hand of death moving outside, then to argue about whether we have the right day picked out. Please come in and shut the door behind you or face death by yourself. GD's intent is to deliver his people from the hand of Pharoah, not to test our math.

...Your reasoning separates you from the JEWish people and from sharing our joy {and our solemnness} with us.

....Michael

[Spying]

Obey Elohim!

Hi Beseder,

Tell me this: ELOHIM does exist, does HE not? What is the very best way that one can prove to ELOHIM that one knows that ELOHIM does exist? The answer is: Through our obedience! If we do not obey ELOHIM, we prove to HIM that we do not believe in HIM!

ELOHIM has not asked you to calculate HIS existence. HE has commanded you to obey HIM and, thereby, choose life. Why do you insist on making difficult, what ELOHIM has made simple. The road to the grave is paved with good calculations, and you, Jews, have a well paved road, but it is not the road to life.

ELOHIM has commanded through Moses:

Deut 16:1
1 Observe the moon of Abib..... (KJV)

You say you must develop the ability to calculate this moon in order to possess your share of the Universe! I say that you must first go outside and look up with you physical eyes! After you obey, then, perhaps, ELOHIM may show you how to become the moon.

ELOHIM does have regard for OBEDIENCE!

Sincerely, Ab

[beseder]

hello Spying,
you failed in your rebuttal

the way you MUST observe the moon is by LOOKING at it- you must see it physically to declare HaShem has made.

Thus, even in the analogy of obeying/observing HaShem- you must see him physically as a man in order to obey him.

I see idolatry and a path of destruction for you.
I can observe the moon without seeing it.
I can obey HaShem without seeing Him.

shalom

[beseder]

and becoming the moon?

please!
I am a Jew!
and YOU ARE NOT!
So who is the moon?
OBVIOUSLY NOT YOU.
You yourself have said it before- the moon is the Jew.
And all Yisrael is born though Judah.
YHVDH
This is the door to HaShem (Y-H-V-H)
Only the Jews is the DALETH {Door) to HaShem.
And this is who Messiah Yeshuah represented.
He is indeed the President of Yehudah and the gentiles have maligned him and made him into a goy and cut him off from G-D by making him into a god i=of their imagination- creating a farce Yeshuah.
The same they have done to the Jews- Yisrael
They strive to make Yisrael into a goy- strip him of his Jewish garb and dress him up in lard and bacon strips telling them that they need to be saved when they already are.
SOUL STEALERS are you all- The House of EDOM.
Wanting to steal the birthright from Ya'acob (Yisrael) the same as with the second House of Edom (Islam of the Arabs) which wants to steal everything of Yisrael his brother.
However, Edom in its entire house, both the left (Rome-Christianity[catholic/preotestant], its daughters messianic "judaism", and these fringe cults) and right (Islam and all of its fringes) will not succeed.
(Book of Ovadiyah)

we are the moon, and no one will steal this from us.
We know how to calculate ourselves- and no one else will take this from us.
We know when we are waxing stregnth, we know our climax, we know our weigning low.
Yet the goy believes that the moon itself is wrong!
SHAME!
Why do the dogs(gentiles) howl(laud) at the Jews (moon) when they are strong?
Yet forget them and disregard them when they are week?
SHAME!

The Moon knows the Moon- and no one will usurp that from us.
HaShem will not forget his people- for if he did his torah(messiah) would no longer exist and these are things that you have NO UNDERSTANDING OF AT ALL!

YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE JEWS ARE THE MOON!!!

and you want to corrupt the calendar. You dont even know how many days there is in a lunar year!
At least the Moslems know that much!
Yet they also want to steal us- the Moon and have us flip all over the place- but they fail to realize that by flipping the moon everywhere, they themselves are not stable yet they claim they are!
You dont even know what happens because the lunar days are as such- the effect that it has upon the calendar if it is not calculated as with the sun.

OY!


shalom