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    JN 1:12-13
    But as many as received him,
    to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
    even to them that believe on his name:
    Which were born, not of blood,
    nor of the will of the flesh,
    nor of the will of man,
    but (by the WILL) of God.



    The “SEED” was PROMISED
    at the GARDEN to satan, as the snake.
    The PROMISE was
    that the “SEED”, from a woman, would crush satan’s head.

    Then,
    ABRAHAM is PROMISED
    that the “SEED” would come through HIM and HIS DESCENDANTS.

    YH’SHWH, as MESSIAH,
    is the PROMISED “SEED” come from a woman.

    So, all that submit to YH’SHWH’S SALVATION
    are grafted into ABRAHAM’S DESCENDANTS.
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    No one in this world can count on their own blood
    to be or not to be from ABRAHAM’S.
    No one in this world can prove or knows
    whether their blood is or is not directly from ABRAHAM.

    YH’SHWH has blinded all of ISRAEL (of their blood descent),
    so that WE will count on what HE has done
    .

    YH’SHWH is our SAVIOR.
    No other blood will SAVE US
    except our SAVIOR’S.

    All, no matter what anyone calls or titles themselves,
    must submit to what HE has done
    to be grafted into BEING a DESCENDANT of ABRAHAM.

    Through YH’SHWH’S SACRIFICED BLOOD,
    WE, HIS ISRAEL, are DESCENDANTS of ABRAHAM
    by the WILL of our GOD, YH’SHWH.



    LOVE, RICOEL
    Last edited by israelthebride; 03-17-2004, 09:24 AM.
    The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

    I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
    I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
    I CREATED YOU for ME.
    That is why I SAVED YOU.
    For ME.

    YOUR HUSBAND,
    YHSHWH

  • #2
    The new perspective.

    ...Ricoel writes;

    The “SEED” was PROMISED
    at the GARDEN to satan, as the snake.
    The PROMISE was
    that the “SEED”, from a woman, would crush satan’s head.

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    ...The serpents headaches have something to do with him and his decendents no longer having legs to get up from the earth to escape the feet of the womans posterity.

    ...The serpent cannot but strike the heel of the womans offspring, and now a battle plays out just above the ground, heel to head and head to heel. This is what Gen. 3: 15 really says.

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    • #3
      GEN 3:15
      And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
      and between thy seed and her seed;
      it shall bruise thy head,
      and thou shalt bruise his heel.

      So, you are saying that the snake
      that spoke in the Garden
      was just an ordinary, everyday Garden snake?

      It (the snake) can only reach a human's heel?

      You have a lot of faith in that snake
      not being out of the ordinary.
      Be careful, my FRIEND.

      LOVE, RICOEL
      The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

      I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
      I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
      I CREATED YOU for ME.
      That is why I SAVED YOU.
      For ME.

      YOUR HUSBAND,
      YHSHWH

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      • #4
        Go ahead and take a bite!

        ...Ricoel, this snake was as ordinary as a snake can be who just had his legs cursed off of him. Was the donkey who spoke to Balaam an ordinary donkey? You are adding to the story that the author has written of a beguiling snake, something that the author himself didn't write. A beautiful piece of fruit can be pretty beguiling itself. An unattractive apple doesn't say "eat me" like an attractive apple.

        ...Gen. 3: 15 simply says that the serpent will be at odd's with the womans offspring now that he no longer has legs to lift him up off of the ground. The womans offspring will crush the serpents head and the serpent {and his decendents} will now strike at the heels of the womans posterity. Because of this arrangement, they are now enemies of each other.

        ...The idea that the woman can have offspring without her husbands seed is not being implied at all. This is no prophecy about a future virgin birth. Neither is the serpent ever called "satan". If a donkey can talk {Nu. 22: 28}, so can a snake.

        ...The Hebrew word for seed is "zera". It's root means to sow. It is not singular at all. The womans seed is also her husbands seed. Her seed is her and her husbands posterity.

        ....Michael

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        • #5
          The donkey and the bush and the snake
          spoke in YH'SHWH'S WORD/LAW.

          Can you tell me,
          who spoke through the bush?

          The snake spoke against YH'SHWH'S WORD/LAW.
          I only know one other being that does that.
          Do you?
          ____________

          If you were GOD
          and you needed to speak to someone,
          would you identify yourself?

          Now,
          if you were satan
          and you needed to tempt someone,
          would you identify yourself?

          LOVE, RICOEL
          The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

          I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
          I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
          I CREATED YOU for ME.
          That is why I SAVED YOU.
          For ME.

          YOUR HUSBAND,
          YHSHWH

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          • #6
            Slithering demons?

            ...There are many false prophets who tried to misleed. They prophecied what GD did not say. I cannot make the serpent now legless, anymore than one of these false prophets. The serpent decieved as did the false prophets. I find no one who can challenge GD as the demigod satan that christianity believes in, in all the tanakh. Even in the story of Job, satan requires GD's permission to plague Job. Perhaps these are but stories to enlighten us, chosen by their authors. Who invented the writing and the ink to inform us of these stories when there was only two people in the world? Did Adam or Eve know how to read and write?

            ...I am not compelled to add anything to the authors stories in case they were meant to be understood as written. If "satan" were meant in place of the serpent, the author would have written it so. Are all snakes now demon seed?

            ....Michael

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            • #7
              YH'SHWH WORD is but a book
              if it was written by man.
              I believe it was written by YH'SHWH
              through man.

              To me it is dangerous when
              You pick and choose what you want to believe
              in HIS HOLY WORD.

              I will believe HIS WHOLE WORD.

              LOVE, RICOEL
              The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

              I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
              I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
              I CREATED YOU for ME.
              That is why I SAVED YOU.
              For ME.

              YOUR HUSBAND,
              YHSHWH

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              • #8
                A simple reading

                ...Ricoel, how would the author of the tanakh ever write that there would be emnity between the womans posterity and the posterity of the serpent, and not have you read that the devil and Jesus were implied? Who more willingly excepts what the tanakh actually says here, me or you? It doesn't matter if you except all of what is written in the tanakh, if you rewrite the meaning of what the text of the tanakh actually says in your own head. Open a few commentaries and read them. It is you {and many christians} that have changed the story to leed to {Jesus}. Nothing is written of {Jesus} here. A woman was beguiled in the garden of Eden and she and Adam ate of the forbidden fruit.

                ...Why is the symbol of GD's power expressed by a staff becoming a serpent in the hands of Moses? Maybe GD is satan after all. Or maybe we should just read what is written without adding our own interpretation to it. The simplest reading may be the best one.

                ....Michael

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                • #9
                  You don't believe YH'SHWH GOD came as MESSIAH.

                  You don't believe that satan exists.

                  So,
                  you must believe that
                  all the thoughts,
                  that come into your mind;
                  that are against GOD
                  and/or against HIS WORD
                  are yours.

                  You are telling me that
                  you are not tempted
                  into sin.

                  That these evil thoughts
                  are yours
                  because GOD does not tempt
                  one into sin.

                  You have a lot of faith in yourself.
                  You are telling me that
                  you don't need GOD'S help to SAVE you.

                  I do.

                  LOVE, RICOEL
                  The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

                  I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
                  I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
                  I CREATED YOU for ME.
                  That is why I SAVED YOU.
                  For ME.

                  YOUR HUSBAND,
                  YHSHWH

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                  • #10
                    autonomy

                    ...Ricoel posts;

                    You don't believe YH'SHWH GOD came as MESSIAH.

                    --> No I don't

                    You don't believe that satan exists.

                    --> No I don't, except as a Hebrew word discribing a conflict with GD's will. Angels are another matter. But does the tanakh say anywhere within it, that these creatures act outside of the will of GD?
                    ...No, the devil didn't make me do it.

                    So,
                    you must believe that
                    all the thoughts,
                    that come into your mind;
                    that are against GOD
                    and/or against HIS WORD
                    are yours.

                    --> All of my thoughts are my own. Who is thinking for you?

                    You are telling me that
                    you are not tempted
                    into sin.

                    --> like any child that is tempted by something he wants.

                    That these evil thoughts
                    are yours
                    because GOD does not tempt
                    one into sin.

                    --> Why does GD need to tempt me or any man to sin?

                    ....Michael

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                    • #11
                      As I said,

                      "You have a lot of faith in yourself.
                      You are telling me that
                      you don't need GOD'S help to SAVE you.

                      I do."

                      LOVE, RICOEL
                      The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

                      I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
                      I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
                      I CREATED YOU for ME.
                      That is why I SAVED YOU.
                      For ME.

                      YOUR HUSBAND,
                      YHSHWH

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                      • #12
                        trust?

                        ...Ricoel, in the tanakh salvation is not saving ones spirit, but saving ones life. When I am in distress, I need GD's help.

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                        Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O YHWH God of truth. Ps. 31: 5

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                        Our soul waiteth for YHWH: he is our help and our shield.

                        For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name.

                        Let thy mercy, O YHWH, be upon us, according as we hope in thee. Ps. 33: 20 - 22

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                        Who is among you that feareth YHWH, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of YHWH, and stay upon his God. Isa. 50: 10

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                        ...Ricoel, you can't sell tickets to GD's providence.

                        ....Michael

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