Who is a Jew?

[israelthebride]

Who is a Jew?

To my understanding,
one who follows Judaism is called a Jew.
As,
one who follows Christianity is called a Christian.
_______

I don’t believe
that the Jews, of today,
are a race.

No one in this world can prove that their blood
is descendant from ABRAHAM
or
that they are from
the Tribe of JUDAH or BENJAMIN (under JUDAH).

At the same time,
no one can prove that their blood
is not descendant from ABRAHAM
or
that they are not from
the Tribe of JUDAH or BENJAMIN.

A person from the country of Judah/Judea
would be called a Jew,
as in the time of MESSIAH,
but
there is no country named Judah or Judea
at this time.

Many, who call themselves Jews (today),
don’t follow Judaism
and still call themselves Jews.

Why?

Because of the world's definitions?
_______

But,
If you believe that the Jews are a race
and that they are not SAVED
because they are Jews,

isn’t that being an

an·ti-Sem·ite n.
One who discriminates against
or
who is hostile toward
or
prejudiced against
Jews.
_______

Unbelievers
are the ones that are not SAVED.
This includes many people
of many races and colors
and of other beliefs.

COL 4:5-6
Walk in wisdom toward them that are without,
redeeming the time.
Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt,
that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.


By HIS WILL,
through YH’SHWH’S BLOOD,
WE are descendants of ABRAHAM.

JN 1:12-13
But as many as received HIM,
to them gave HE POWER
to become the SONS/DAUGHTERS of GOD,
even to them that believe on HIS NAME:
Which were born,
not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man,
but of (the WILL of) GOD.

RICOEL

[beseder]

QUOTE:
I don’t believe
that the Jews, of today,
are a race.

No one in this world can prove that their blood
is descendant from ABRAHAM
or
that they are from
the Tribe of JUDAH or BENJAMIN (under JUDAH).
*****************

That is why it is said
by John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This promise is for Gentiles to become Jews by believing in the only begotten of HaShem who is Israel represented by the Shliach Tzibbur who is Yeshuah.

Shalom u'Brachot,
Antonio

[israelthebride]

I agree up to the title.

I believe that all (Jew and Gentile)
will grafted onto the OLIVE TREE (ISRAEL)
that LIVES off the SAP (BLOOD)
of the ROOT (YH'SHWH).

LOVE, RICOEL

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Praiser of Yahweh

I have been taught that the word 'Jew' is a corrupted form of the word Judah and that Judah is a corrupted form of Yahdah or Yahudah. One who is of Yahdah would be a Yahdai or Yahudai. The plural form would be Yahdaim or Yahudaim which means 'praiser of Yahweh'. Jew and Judah are corrupted forms because of the ommitance of the Name of our Heavenly Father and Creator Yahweh.

Since Jews are forbidden to pronounce the Name Yahweh and refer to themselves as Jews it seems that they truely would not be praisers of Yahweh since they choose to use these corrupted forms that omit the Name Yahweh.

http://freewebs.com/frank4yahweh/jewish.htm

[beseder]

I completely disagree,

when the temple was erected the name was always said, but by whome?
ONLY the Kohen pronounced it once a year when the temple was standing~ and this day was Yom Kipurim.

If you do not know the History of my people I suggest that you ask questions about all that you can think of and learn.
For this is the Spirit of the Yehudi, not the goy!
shalom

[Frank4YAHWEH]

beseder,

I have been taught this, that you have said also. I also believe it is to the Yahdaim (Those who praise Yahweh) first then to the nations ("goy"), not omitting the others. Jews do have a corner on the market as to who can pronouce the Name Yahweh.

I would be hard-pressed to believe that those who refer to themselves as Jews in this time period are Yahweh's chosen people. The dividing wall was broken down long ago.

http://freewebs.com/frank4yahweh/Jewish.htm

[beseder]

Then you will find yourself fighting against G-d if you fight against any Jew.

For what determines a Jew?
blood?
well thats part of it but not the most important!

What determines it is who is a Rabbi?

and who is your Rabbi?
and why do you always make common HaShem?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

beseder,

Why do you make uncommon Hashem? I have many teachers.

Is your Rabbi a Jew?

"For I am not afraid of the message, for it is the strength of Yahweh unto life everlasting for EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES: to the Yahdai first, and also to the (goy").

For in this message is the righteousness of Yahweh revealed, springing from faith and leading to faith; as it is written: The just will live by the faith.

For the wrath of Yahweh is revealed in heaven against all unrighteousness of men, who SUPRESS THE TRUTH in unrighteousness. (Rabbi Shaul, to the Romans 1:18-19 - )

[beseder]

Lol, we do not make anything UNCOMMON, there is no temple to pronounce the name.

I think that you should learn the rules in pronouncing the name
these rules existed even before Messiah.

So go to your nearest Orthodox Synagogue and you will see.
And the pronounciation is not forgotten, only the 42 letter name is forgotten.

So because there is no temple, do you also ask "why do you make uncommon the sacrifices?"

and you have many teachers?? wow, you should indeed be very learned!

Or is it that maybe you need many teachers to teach you one simple principle?

And Yes, My teacher, is a Rabbi ordained and trained and discipled under the current Sephardic leader in Yisrael, His Emminence Hacham Ovadyah ben Yosef.

[Frank4YAHWEH]

beseder,

You sound very hateful and racist to me. Am I right?

http://freewebs.com/frank4yahweh/Jewish.htm

[beseder]

By no means,

there is only one Race- Humanity

and hateful?
never!
but harsh in words? I can be at times
irritated? I can be at times
Frank and blunt? I can be at times

bye

[Frank4YAHWEH]

beseder,

That's what I thought! Blunt? I suggest you get yourself a two edged sword and have it sharpened by a professional. :^) Later!

http://freewebs.com/frank4yahweh/Jewish.htm

[beseder]

Glad to confirm your question in one way or another.

Good shabbat to you
Shalom u'Brachot

And hey, I invite you to my forum
http://invisionfree.com/forums/broke...p?showforum=27

Its new, and hardly anything is there, but maybe you and I can further discuss this over there, more civil
because on this thread it has basically taken a nice rabbit trail

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Who are "your people" by the way? In your responce to my post you sounded Jewish, but it seems you may be a Messianic?

[beseder]

I am Not "messy-anic", I am Orthodox, Sephardic by Tradition and blood.

I do not care for "Messy-antics"

I do however believe in the nazarean Codicil.
But no, not a "messy"
I think that you are however.