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  • #61
    lol,

    Allen

    the quotes that you are bringing up from John- you have not at all applied them correctly.

    now, I have shared with you before (and if not you, forgive me, it must have been with hyssop that I have shared this with) that John is not at all a literal book.
    Thus, you must figure out what each noun means, what each subject means.

    Who is His Majesty Yeshua(THE MESSIAH)?
    WHAT IS HIS ROLE?

    What is a Candle?
    What is a Hill?
    What is a Bushel?

    and, I follow the rabbis that have what?

    I guess you have no idea at all what i follow.
    Nor do you have any idea what Judaism is!
    and you must easily disregard the words of Eusebius concerning a group of Jews that practice exactly as the rest of the Jews called the Nazareans.
    what Judaism existed after the destruction of the Temple?
    Pharisaic Judaism!
    and yet these nazareans practiced as they did!
    Oral tradition and all!

    you have much, and i mean very much to begin to question.

    I can show, easily that His Majesty Yeshuah was a Pharisee!
    I can show easily that his brother, Ya'acov (not a half-brother either, but fully connected by blood) was the leader of ALL THE PHARISEES!

    I can show that Tsefet (Peter) wrote prayers that are now held and only found IN PHARISAIC- Judaism's siddurim (Prayer books).

    I can show you that Luke was not a convert but was a BLOOD relative to Ya'acov and Yeshuah.

    but it up to you...
    i know that you believe that these pharisees are nothing and blind... I can tell you, that not all of them are...and just because some of the pharisees are "blinded" does not mean that they cannot see, their problem is- is that they cannot see the full picture- they are a Horse wit blinders called to remain on a certain path and never deviate from it!

    and then there are the pretend pharisees and pretend-sages
    such as those that you will find on MJAA, J4Jesus, and etc- all calling themselves rabbis without any inkling of training as one!

    Peoplew wishto rob the Jewish people of their titles and identity. And it seeps down much further than what you would think!

    let the Orthodox deny the person of Yeshuah- however, many of them do not deny me, and they know what and whom i believe in!
    ONE G-D, ONE SPIRIT, ONE MESSIAH.
    ONE COMMUNITY/IKKLESIA/K'HILLA, ONE BODY, ONE BRIDE.
    ONE TORAH [MEMRA(audible) and KHOCHMA(written)], ONE MASORAH.

    OBEY YE THE SOFRIM (HAKHAMIM) and the PERUSHIM for they are the only ones given right to and power to interpret scripture. DO AS THEY TELL YOU but do not do as the Colored-Rabbis and colored pharisees tell you, for they are Painted!(Matt 23:1-3)

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    • #62
      Blindness!

      Hi Beseder,

      The doing of the Law is righteousness. Anyone who engages in the performance of righteousness is a bearer of light. The moon follows the sun across the shy, and the moon reflects the light of the sun to our darkened or unrighteous world. So, the Pharisees amongst the Jews also reflect light to this world in so far as they practice the doing of the Torah.

      Does the moon have any light of its own? Absolutely not! So, Jews are not actually the Light eventhough Jews have been given light and do reflect light and under certain circumstances have been given great authority to actually create or become light. (A wife does have great authority in reflecting the light and glory of her husband.)

      When Jews, and especially the Pharisees, view themselves in relationship to our world, they properly understand that they themselves are bright lights. However, Jews, and especially the Pharisees, have exactly the same problem as do Gentiles whenever they turn their gaze away from the world towards the brightness of the sun. Is the light of the moon as bright or intense as that of the sun? Absolutely not! So, Jews, and especially the Pharisees, are also blinded by the sun!

      Now, who is it that is not blinded by the light of the sun? This tells me that the righteousness of ELOHIM is far greater than my own. So, how do Pharisees receive the righteousness of ELOHIM into themselves? Do you see your problem? Paul described your shared dilemma in this manner:
      Rom 10:2-4
      2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of ELOHIM, but not according to knowledge.
      3 For they being ignorant of ELOHIM'S righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of ELOHIM.
      4 For Messiah is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. (KJV)
      If the Pharisees cannot look toward Messiah Yahushua, how will they ever directly view the light of the sun? Be Blessed!

      Sincerely, Ab
      The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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      • #63
        So the moon(Jews) is blinded by the sun (Torah)???

        OY!

        i think you need to go back and review what you have said.

        Indeed, that the gentiles are most definately blinded---unless this gentile is on his way to become a convert- then this gentile is not blinded but given a zohar of the sun(Torah) like Noach.

        now- WHO IS IT THAT HAS ZEAL?
        amoungstthe Jews- who has this "zeal"?
        Either Zealots- who were not actually pharisees
        or Converts to Judaism...it isnt those who were born into it.

        now- the zealot can be controlled if he submitts to the pharisee, as well as the ger- then these both will have "GUIDED ZEAL".
        and thus in their guided zeal they will grow in knowledge and learn that it needs to be controlled.

        In other words- it will not be a zeal that is lead by zeal- it is a zeal that is guided by knowledge!

        So, these are not that lead themselves into what they think needs to be done- no, they are lead by the teachers of HaShem- the pharisees!
        rather more the elite of the pharisees- the ancient Hassidim!

        you can see for yourself that Hakham Sha'ul spoke in rebrobation about these zelotes...
        for before he was a pharisee- he was a zealot ( a policeman) - do you not recall when he said this about himself!?

        ALLEN, you are greatly mistaken and speaking many errors...

        think and re-learn....

        your post will most definately be a nice introduction to a novel...
        but not truth.

        shalom u'brachot,
        Antonio
        ONE G-D, ONE SPIRIT, ONE MESSIAH.
        ONE COMMUNITY/IKKLESIA/K'HILLA, ONE BODY, ONE BRIDE.
        ONE TORAH [MEMRA(audible) and KHOCHMA(written)], ONE MASORAH.

        OBEY YE THE SOFRIM (HAKHAMIM) and the PERUSHIM for they are the only ones given right to and power to interpret scripture. DO AS THEY TELL YOU but do not do as the Colored-Rabbis and colored pharisees tell you, for they are Painted!(Matt 23:1-3)

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        • #64
          P.S.

          by this statement here:
          If the Pharisees cannot look toward Messiah Yahushua, how will they ever directly view the light of the sun? Be Blessed!

          you show that you have little knowledge, if any, on how the Olam haBa will be and what are its degrees in levels.

          should you care to know to recieve it- I'll share it, other than that- you can study it foryourself- which will show me even more that you are indeed searching for what is sound.

          shalom u'brachot,
          Antonio
          ONE G-D, ONE SPIRIT, ONE MESSIAH.
          ONE COMMUNITY/IKKLESIA/K'HILLA, ONE BODY, ONE BRIDE.
          ONE TORAH [MEMRA(audible) and KHOCHMA(written)], ONE MASORAH.

          OBEY YE THE SOFRIM (HAKHAMIM) and the PERUSHIM for they are the only ones given right to and power to interpret scripture. DO AS THEY TELL YOU but do not do as the Colored-Rabbis and colored pharisees tell you, for they are Painted!(Matt 23:1-3)

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          • #65
            I agree.
            _______

            ROM 8:5-8
            For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
            but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
            For to be carnally minded is death;
            but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

            Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
            for it is not subject to the law of God,
            neither indeed can be.

            So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
            ___

            FAITH makes a BELIEVER

            Anyone who does not submit
            to YHSHWH'S WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation)
            is a gentile.

            Anyone who submits
            to YHSHWH'S WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation)
            is ISRAEL.

            A BELIEVER,
            ONE WHO SUBMITS to YHSHWH'S WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation),
            is ISRAEL
            but,
            not necessarily a jew.

            A BELIEVER,
            believes with HIS HEART, MIND, and SPIRIT;
            not with HIS blood.

            There is not one of you
            that can prove that you are a blood descendant of ABRAHAM,
            except by FAITH.

            There is not one of you
            that can prove that you are not a blood descendant of ABRAHAM,
            except by FAITH.

            FAITH is what makes a BELIEVER.
            FAITH in YHSHWH.
            FAITH in what HE has DONE.
            FAITH in what HE has WRITTEN.

            A BELIEVER submits
            to YHSHWH'S WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation).
            A BELIEVER is ISRAEL.

            If you do not BELIEVE
            and do not submit
            to YHSHWH'S WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation),
            you are a gentile,
            even if you call yourself a jew.


            A BELIEVER submits
            to YHSHWH'S WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation).
            A BELIEVER is ISRAEL.

            LOVE, RICOEL
            The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

            I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
            I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
            I CREATED YOU for ME.
            That is why I SAVED YOU.
            For ME.

            YOUR HUSBAND,
            YHSHWH

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            • #66
              Hello Ricoel,

              I dont know who your response is to

              however, i must say that what you said is correct, though I am negative about your understanding.

              Faith is not some spurious instinct,
              nor a gut feeling telling your self that "YOU KNOW!"
              this is not faith- this is instinct!

              So what is faith?
              I could tell you, but I'd rather have it that you study what Faith is.

              and we are not to focus on these good things today-
              we are to focus on the destruction of the Bet Ha'Mikdash

              Eikha!
              Antonio
              ONE G-D, ONE SPIRIT, ONE MESSIAH.
              ONE COMMUNITY/IKKLESIA/K'HILLA, ONE BODY, ONE BRIDE.
              ONE TORAH [MEMRA(audible) and KHOCHMA(written)], ONE MASORAH.

              OBEY YE THE SOFRIM (HAKHAMIM) and the PERUSHIM for they are the only ones given right to and power to interpret scripture. DO AS THEY TELL YOU but do not do as the Colored-Rabbis and colored pharisees tell you, for they are Painted!(Matt 23:1-3)

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