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    " I the Lord have called You in righteousness And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles. " Isaiah 42:6 and 49:8.

    ...Does this text speak of {jesus}?

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    ...Let us go back a few verses of text in Isaiah's 49th chapter.

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    4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with YHWH, and my work with my God.

    --> we must consider this text as qualifying the servants labors.

    ...So does the servant referred to here, labor in vain? If so, likely you are not seeing the whole picture of this servant. Does he who is a light to the {nations}, labor in vain? This would mean that the work of {the servant} has failed in his or GD's purpose. Why?

    ...If {jesus} is the servant spoken of here, does that mean that his efforts fail? Could it be that someone kidnapped a work intended to be a blessing to the JEWish people and instead turned it into a curse against them? So can {jesus} save christians without also saving the JEWish people, for whom these words are written? Not from their sins, and not from their enemies, do the JEWish people find any salvation in the name of {jesus}. What should the fate of the JEWish people be under this servant?

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    Isaiah 26: 18

    18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen {?}. KJV

    18 We were with child, we writhed --
    It is as though we had given birth to the wind;
    We have won no victory on earth;
    The inhabitents of the world have not come to life
    . TNK

    18 We were with child, we writhed in pain,
    But we gave birth to wind.
    We have not brought salvation to the earth;
    We have not given birth to the people of the world
    . NIV

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    ...If YHWH desires the salvation of his own people, but a servant doesn't deliver to GD his own people's salvation, will YHWH choose another servant who will do the work he asks for? Remember that the first king {Saul} met the same fate as Ishmael, Esau, Reuben, Manasseh, and even Eliab, the firstborn son of Jesse. All these lost their dominance. Neither was Cain exceptable to the author of the torah as firstborn. {jesus} who leads slaughter to the JEWish people, doesn't have much of a chance of being "deliverer" to the JEWish people now after their oppression. The king who will set upon David's throne will do so by healing the "breach" that exists in the 38th chapter of Genesis.

    ...If christians except the NT in the same light as they do the tanakh, then christianity will give to the JEWish people, the damnation reserved for non-believers {in jesus} as written up in the NEW Testement. But that would be the damning of YHWH's own Name which could only yeild a work done in vain. But then, damnation is what most JEWs believe that the mojority of the JEWish people inherit.

    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mk. 16: 16

    --> this is what most christians believe is the will of the Eloheem of the JEWish people. This is because they hold the NT equal to the tanakh. So opinions become damnation to unbelieving {in jesus} JEWs.

    ...So who is the servant whose labor is in vain, and why does he fail? It is something to think about, isn't it?

    ....Michael

  • #2
    Children?

    Hi Thummim,

    Speaking of vanity! How is it that the married wife, The Jews, how is it that they shall give birth to all Israel?

    Messiah is the desolate one?
    Isa 54:1
    1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith YAHWEH. (KJV)
    And I as well as others have been conceived in his womb. For this blessing, I rejoice with many brothers and sisters.

    Jews, on the other hand, can only give birth to physical Jews! Now, that is vanity!

    Sincerely, Spying
    The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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    • #3
      Motherhood

      ...Spying, it is actually the land that is being addressed. We can pick up on this if we move ahead a few chapters.

      Isa. 66: 7 - 13

      7 Before she {Jerusalem} travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

      8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

      9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith YHWH: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

      10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:

      11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.

      12 For thus saith YHWH, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.

      13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

      ...The land is desolate of her peoples, but they were carried off to return {in the birth} again. Israel is reborn all at once when her people reclaim their land. But it is Judah who returns to Jerusalem, and it is Judah who must give birth to Israel {the peoples}.

      1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of YHWH, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness. Isa. 48: 1

      ...Isaiah is infused with the idea of "rebirth". YHWH is mother in Isa. 46: 3, 4, then Judah is mother in Isa. 48: 1, and then Jerusalem takes over as mother above. This is called "seeing the author in his work".

      ....Michael

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      • #4
        The Land Giving Birth?

        Hi Thummim,

        Ok, let's say that YAHWEH is husband to the physical Holy Land. Let's also say that YAHWEH is husband to the physical city of Jerusalem. Only Jews born in the physical Holy Land would be children of the Land. Only Jews born in physical Jerusalem would be children of Jerusalem. Does the Land only give birth to Jews?

        Sincerely, Spying
        The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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        • #5
          Mine and yours.

          ...Spying, is GD allowed his own people, his own land, and his own Name? Why must he allow all the world to move into the house that he builds for his own people? If the president of the United States is allowed to have his own home and still be the president of the United States, can GD also be GD and not have all the worlds people living with him in the Name of YHWH? It is Judah and Israel that will live in the holy land with others who will refuse to let go their grasp upon the ways of this people. The land of Israel will have as its population, many different people. But It will still be Israel and it will still have the peace that YHWH promises to this land. Once the Name of YHWH is claimed, the promises of GD will take root and come to pass. Then no one would dare to cross GD's Name and harm his people. The curse that would follow those who dared so, would be to severe to tell. That is why this people will inherit their peace. A lover of this people will be reigning over them, and they will be wrapped up in the Name of their GD and husband. Dare not curse a mans family by his own Name. No GD would live with such people nor share his Name with them. Would you?

          ....Michael

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          • #6
            Vanity Speaking!

            Hi Thummim,

            So, YAHWEH ELOHIM is indeed husband also to the people as well as the Land. With this I agree.

            The Torah forms the basis of your relationship with YAHWEH ELOHIM. You as well as all other Jews must keep your contract with YAHWEH ELOHIM. You bless your relationship with YAHWEH when you keep his commandments. You curse you relationship with YAHWEH when you disregard and break his commandments.

            The disobedient can only give birth to the disobedient. So, nothing good can come forth from the Jews unless, of course, YAHWEH should choose to place his Seed within you, but why should YAHWEH defile himself by becoming intimate with a wife who has given taken great pleasure in bestowing her favors upon the disobedient with and without price? I think not! YAHWEH will not take the Jews again to be his lawful wedded wife without sincere and heartfelt repentance on their collective part. All else is vanity speaking!

            Sincerely, Spying
            The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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            • #7
              An amended separation!

              5 For thy Maker is thine husband; YHWH of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

              6 For YHWH hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

              7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

              8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith YHWH thy Redeemer.

              9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.

              10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith YHWH that hath mercy on thee.

              11 O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.

              12 And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.

              13 And all thy children shall be taught of YHWH; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

              14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.

              15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.

              16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

              17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of YHWH, and their righteousness is of me, saith YHWH. Isa. 54: 3 - 17

              ...A happy wife now?

              ....Michael

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              • #8
                Judah is still HaShems wife.
                Israel must become HaShems wife again.

                Israel has become Jacob when it should be the other way around.
                So now, Jacob needs to become Israel.
                And yes, even with the Jews- Jacob needs to give birth to Judah- or rather Judah must see the error of his ways of what he did with Tamar so that he will see HaShem.

                And it is happening now Spying- slowly but surely. As Judah recognizes the error of his ways, Jacob is becoming Israel.

                The problem lies with the Gentiles.
                ONE G-D, ONE SPIRIT, ONE MESSIAH.
                ONE COMMUNITY/IKKLESIA/K'HILLA, ONE BODY, ONE BRIDE.
                ONE TORAH [MEMRA(audible) and KHOCHMA(written)], ONE MASORAH.

                OBEY YE THE SOFRIM (HAKHAMIM) and the PERUSHIM for they are the only ones given right to and power to interpret scripture. DO AS THEY TELL YOU but do not do as the Colored-Rabbis and colored pharisees tell you, for they are Painted!(Matt 23:1-3)

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                • #9
                  The heart has the sharpest teeth of all.

                  ...It is not by Israel's deeds that she becomes YHWH's wife in her renewed marriage. It is YHWH that takes his wife into his own arms, simply because he desires her. It is YHWH's own will that prevails over him. Israel doesn't earn her place within her GD's arms. GD's love of Israel conquers his own heart.

                  5 For thy Maker is thine husband; YHWH of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

                  6 For YHWH hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

                  7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

                  8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith YHWH thy Redeemer. Isa. 54: 5 - 8

                  ...It is all GD's doing!

                  ....Michael

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                  • #10
                    partially correct

                    It is by Judahs doing that Israel comes back into the flock
                    ONE G-D, ONE SPIRIT, ONE MESSIAH.
                    ONE COMMUNITY/IKKLESIA/K'HILLA, ONE BODY, ONE BRIDE.
                    ONE TORAH [MEMRA(audible) and KHOCHMA(written)], ONE MASORAH.

                    OBEY YE THE SOFRIM (HAKHAMIM) and the PERUSHIM for they are the only ones given right to and power to interpret scripture. DO AS THEY TELL YOU but do not do as the Colored-Rabbis and colored pharisees tell you, for they are Painted!(Matt 23:1-3)

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                    • #11
                      The Mothers of Israel.

                      3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:

                      4 And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you. Isa. 46: 3, 4

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                      1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of YHWH, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness. Isa. 48: 1

                      ...YaHudaH and YHWH are the mothers of Israel. Isn't it interesting that the son can give birth to his father? Isn't it interesting that both YaHudaH and YHWH are the mothers of Israel. What does this prophet know about the faith of the JEWish people, that escapes most of us?

                      A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold. Pr. 22: 1

                      The name of YHWH is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe. Pr. 18: 10

                      ....Michael

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                      • #12
                        The Wife?

                        Hi Beseder,

                        I think of you often especially now as I am approaching the end of my fast. I am so thankful to ELOHIM for bringing me to the point where I have fulfilled my vow! Everything is in Seder! Yesterday, I actually enjoyed crossing my legs sitting in Sabbath Services. It has been years since I could accomplish such a feat. There are drawbacks. I no longer have enough padding in my behind to sit comfortably for any length of time.

                        When Messiah died on the Cross, all of mankind for all time died. Naturally, this includes all Jews. So Judaism or the House of Judah is no longer the wife of HaShem. She died along with her husband, Messiah Yahushua, whom she as a whole failed to recognize. Some did recognize Messiah, but then they in turn denied and deserted him in his hour of suffering. These also died with Messiah. Thus, Judaism is now a widow. (Romans 7:1-3)

                        Are you saying that Tamar is a type of Messiah? Interesting!

                        Judah only gives birth to Israel though Messiah! And, yes, Israel is first Jacob. This is why Jews hate Messiah. They know that they have been supplanted by Gentiles. Both the House of Israel (regathered Gentiles whose ancestors were among those divorced and removed from the Holy Land) and the House of Judah (Judaism) are reunited in the resurrected Messiah Yahushua, the good Land of our inheritance. Zionism today is HaSatan's attempt to cloud the unity of Messiah through appealing to the vanity of Jews. There is only one body in Messiah (One Holy Land with one Holy of Holies ). This body gives birth to all. So Jews must also submit or bow the knee to Messiah Yahushua; otherwise, they will continue to perish in their unbelief.

                        Of couse, present day Gentiles do have some submission problems of their own!

                        Sincerely, Ab
                        The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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                        • #13
                          YHWH shall inherit Judah! {the gentiles?} ---> Zech. 2: 12

                          ...Spying writes;

                          Judah only gives birth to Israel though Messiah! And, yes, Israel is first Jacob. This is why Jews hate Messiah. They know that they have been supplanted by Gentiles.

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                          ...Spying, I didn't know that you are a substitutionalist. Where does it say in the tanakh, that the JEWish people will be replaced by gentiles as GD's chosen people?

                          ....Michael

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                          • #14
                            Joyous Day Blessing!

                            Hi Thummim,

                            This blessing was pronounced upon a mentor and dear brother of mine at the completion of a 40 day food fast:
                            Barukh atah Adonai, Elohaynu, melekh ha-olam she-hecheeyanu v'keey'manu v'heegeeyanu la-z'man ha-zeh. Amein
                            This blessing was spoken upon my brother at Scott Air Force Base by a Messianic Jewish Doctor who was awed and honored by the accomplishment and presence of my brother.

                            Last evening, at the conclusion of the Sabbath Evening Meal, this same blessing was passed on to me by my brother through another dear brother and friend, Hyssop, in whose home I now reside. Also present were the wife and two daughters of the brother who initially had received the blessing, and, at this Sabbath Meal, I was also honored by the presence of Parachute and Lukewarm, the son of Hyssop.

                            Friday marked the completion of a 40 day food fast for myself. Yesterday afternoon I weighed exactly 185 lbs. I can't express how grateful I am to ELOHIM for bringing me to this day. I have fulfilled my vow. At the end of May, when my wife left me, I weighed a little over 300 lbs.

                            I am wondering, Thummim, do you know anything about the history of this blessing? How about you, Beseder? Anyone else?

                            Have a happy Sabbath, Everyone!

                            Sincerely, Ab
                            The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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                            • #15
                              The Blessing and its meaning.


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                              Shehecheyanu Background

                              Baruch ata adonai elohenu melech ha olam, shehecheyanu, v'kiyimanu, v'higiyanu laz'man hazeh.

                              Blessed are You Adonai our God, Ruler of the Universe who has given us life, sustained us, and allowed us to reach this day.

                              This most joyous blessing is recited at the arrival of any long awaited occasion. Holidays come once a year, as does sinking your teeth into the first peach or blueberry of summer, and events such as b'nai mitzvah or the arrival of a new baby come once a lifetime (or hopefully a few times as a parent). All of these are occasions to say the Shehecheyanu.

                              Making a point to recite this blessing enriches one's appreciation of the little things in life, and is a wonderful Jewish tradition to invoke in the family. It can become a natural part of the growth and cycles of life - first steps, first days of school, planting a garden in the spring (and then harvesting from it), moving into a new house.

                              ....Michael

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