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**Rovivrus2** · 05-03-2003, 11:32 AM

Through The Eyes of Denial

Through The Eyes Of Denial…..

Through the eyes of denial
This is not that big of a deal
It’s something that happens to other people
It can’t be real

Through the eyes of denial
The children have so much hate
And we can’t figure out
What made them that way

Through the eyes of denial
Out of proportion this has all been blown
If all that stuff really happened
We would have somehow known

Through the eyes of denial
Our lives have been turned upside down
All because of a misunderstanding
And all of the psychology being spread around

Through the eyes of denial
He does not have a sexual addiction
He’s just a little bit naïve
He’s not attracted to children

Through the eyes of denial
A brother would not lie
Child molesters are sick people
He’s just not that type of guy

Through the eyes of denial
People make mistakes
I mean, what is the big deal
The children are all okay

Through the eyes of denial
Child molestation does not exist
Because everything he has done
Fits right into all the lists

Through the eyes of denial
We need something bigger, like rape
But even if they had that
The memory would still be a mistake

Through the eyes of denial
The trial still won’t prove a thing
‘Cause if he is found guilty
We will claim he was wrongly accused

Through the eyes of denial
I cannot understand your pain
I just don’t get the real harm done
You are taking this to the extreme

Through the eyes of denial
Someone must protect him, all day long
He is the true victim
He has done nothing wrong

4-24-03

**israelthebride** · 05-04-2003, 04:55 PM

Going to hell

This "world" is going to hell and they deny it.

Don't try to put YH'SHWH'S WAYS into this "world", it will not work. WE are in this "world", but not of it.
_______

There are many choices humans have chosen to do and are now calling them "sicknesses". This is a lie.

I chose to be an alcoholic; it is not a sickness.

I chose to smoke; it is not a sickness.

I chose to abuse sex; it is not a sickness.

I chose to abuse drugs; it is not a sickness.

I chose my diviant ways; it is not a sickness.

I chose to abuse people; it is not a sickness.

I chose to lie; it is not a sickness.

I chose to give my sin and it's "fruits" (sins) to YH'SHWH.
_______

I AM going to tell YOU a TRUTH.

demons are chained (bound).
When one chooses to sin, one, literally, picks up the chain, that the demon is on, and wraps it around one's neck.
This one then drags this demon on a chain everywhere this one goes, until this one chooses to bind it, again.

"Whatever YOU bind on earth will be bound in HEAVEN. Whatever you loosen on earth will be loosened in HEAVEN."
_______

ONE does not fall or get tempted into sin.

ONE chooses to sin or not to.

In submission to YH'SHWH'S GIFT of SALVATION and to HIS SPIRIT, I still have sin, but I need not "fruit" it.

It is not a sickness.

LOVE,

RICOEL

**Rovivrus2** · 05-04-2003, 05:15 PM

I wrote this poem, and it is in response to the utter disgust that I feel today. This poem is for my family members, for the group of people that compile the church I grew up in, the ones who have abandoned the children they raised.

I want to thank my parents for rising up, and taking a stand against child abuse. You are an example, and I love you both.

Accountability…

The answers and the truth
Have been there all along
Until you make a move
You will not see what’s wrong

I mean, who is he, really?
He is just a man
He’s nothing special or important
He is just a man

Step out of the mindset
In which you have lived
Because in that same place
Is where he achieved his sin

When I look back now
So much was sick and not right
And it will happen to other children
If you don’t open your eyes

What about the toddler
Who’s life is so new
Why don’t you protect her
Instead of the men she will be raised to look up to

At least you can say
That you were part of a group
Who just didn’t see it
Who just didn’t know the truth

But what will you say later
There will be no excuse
If another child is harmed
If another child suffers abuse

Today, in the present
I hold two men responsible
But if another child looses their innocence
I will hold you all accountable

So please consider that risk
While you can’t make up your minds
And we will keep paying the price
For all that continues to be denied.
5-4-03

Rovivrus2

**Split** · 05-07-2003, 02:57 AM

yada yada(don't listen to me)

you take the blame you hold on him
and you try to give it to me
but why should i want to carry that
as blind as i may be
sympathy for even the devil
pity for the weak
something we should all do
if forgiveness is what we seek
not saying something isn't wrong
not saying what he did was right
but should we all take up arms
and jump into the fight?
if you look at only the worse
that maybe what you get
should we keep expecting bad from him
or at least try to forgive and forget?
you think i take a side on this
you may think i fight for him
i may be blind on this whole thing
but your light on me is dim
you don't know how i feel
you don't know what i go through
to immediatly join me with his sin
i wish you would not do
i would stay with you
no matter what you've done
to help you try to get on track
even if I was the only one
it's hard to forgive someone
(remember?) take it from me
but it's harder to never do wrong
do you disagree?
know your strength by the people who stay
by your side and don't hide when sin comes your way
"ONE chooses to sin or not to." true!
but to never ever sin is a hard thing to do

**Rovivrus2** · 05-07-2003, 03:41 PM

So hateful......but why?

I will always hate child abuse!
I will continue to hate it with every excuse
I will not fall victim to this game
I will rise above the shame

I will always hate the lies
I will always despise his disguise
I will always hate betrayal
I will hate betrayal in the worst way

Don’t tell me he needs love
And that you can’t stand my hate
While you sit there and leave children’s souls
Out of the debate

If I have a "negative" perspective
For wanting to protect the kids
At least I’ll be doing something
That no one else did

Why, if he did it then
Over and over again
Do you continue to pretend
That this has come to an end?

What’s different now?
What, you think now, cuz it’s “out”
Please remember, and remember it well
He did not confess, he was asked to tell

I will not feel bad,
Or a single ounce of guilt
For being angry that we are cleaning up
All the blood he has spilt

I also hate inaction
Doing nothing, and standing still
He admitted to child molestation
And he doesn’t fit the bill?

C’mon you must be kidding
Or just too busy “forgiving”
Reminding me of our sinning
Let me guess, “It’s just all part of living”

You act as if I have what I came for
And I should quietly go
But you must have somehow and somewhere forgotten
That the full truth, still, has not been told.

R2
5-7-03

**Spying** · 05-08-2003, 09:36 AM

Millstones!

Hi Split,

As War arose in Heaven,
The Ancients did not say:
Have sympathy for all the evil,
That has confounded our way!
They resisted, they scattered and dispersed,
To save the Light for their coming Day!
Will they forgive the Darkness?
My, Oh My, is that what this is all about? Hey!
Look up, look around, what happens to the Night,
At the resurrection of the Light?
Will they give their Glory to another?
Never! No Way! Night has a real plight.
Indeed, it is in full flight!
At the sounding of their Word,
Their Vengeance quickly comes!
So, take care with whom you walk and talk,
There is more to YAH than you ever thought!

Sincerely, Spying

**Split** · 05-12-2003, 01:07 AM

have a little faith in me

R2,
How fast you've come to judge me. i guess you forgot my poem, i guess that was what i hoped for. How many times am i going to have to prove that i'm not against you? i guess i've been standing in your way. i didn't mean to. You have a right to your feelings and i don't blame you. i just can't believe that they've been turned on me. i shouldn't have started posting, but how could i foresee. i think that maybe you think that i think poorly of you. This is how i see it.

so you say that I am lying
why would I do that
why would I want to hurt
what are you getting at

I didn't ask this on myself
it's even hard to say
pain follows every image
I know I remember that day

your not even sorry
for all I can see is your back
if your eyes and ears are open
then your heart is surely black

if pain wasn't bad enough before
now I find myself today
apart from ones I know and love
you helped to take away

and I cannot see others
taken beyond my reach
probably told that it's my fault
what's that supposed to teach

and it's like your glouting
laughing at my pain
still saying I'm a liar
but what have I to gain

what have I at all
just this hole within my soul
and there's anger that's born within
growing into hatred without control

it's face is his with scars
if only I could see
the same face behind cold bars
comfort there would be

he planted this bad seed
must've not thought it would grow
I struggled with a thorny weed
as it pulled me several feet below

but I didn't let it beat me
I found a strength deep within
broken back to the surface
to let a fiercer life begin

I've survived and i'm better
found the courage to go on
with a life that was ruined
a childhood forgone

so I fight for my child
I'm stronger than the pain
all the wisdom I've compiled
shall never stay mundane

now my fears are for the children
and I yell at those who see
the circle coming back around
but it didn't count on me.

Split
I'm never against you
I'll never block your way
I'll hold forgiveness for you
I'm hoping you'll need it someday

**Rovivrus2** · 05-26-2003, 09:13 AM

The Moon

The Moon

Fallon upon us are the boulders
Too heavy to hold, as the children get older

That small sliver of a moon
Was found month after month
It needed to be searched for, in the sky, all around
For without such focus, it would not have been found

Those who would not turn their cheek to even the moon
Still sing in worship, but their minds are out of tune

Representation of what, we were asked repeatedly
Of God’s People, we would recite, you and me

We were soldiers then, and we still march today
We walk to the beat of a new drum, in a new way

Imagine the children, sitting Indian style, on the floor
Imagine all of our faces, before you close the door

The power of one man, with sheer deception
The blinders of an entire group, with utter contradiction

The web has been spun, with a smoking gun
Some broke free, some remain stuck

The sacrifices made for a brother
Are beyond what I can comprehend
In this story that began years ago
But still has yet to have an end

I just know that the moon can hide
It can be shielded by clouds
But yet it is still there
Beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Rovivrus2
5-23-03

**JosephofMessiah** · 05-26-2003, 02:10 PM

Your poem reminds me of another great mind which once walked with mankind...

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it.”

-The Buddha

**Catalyst** · 05-26-2003, 08:07 PM

Rovivrus2,

I do not expect you to write back in reply to my message, but I wanted to take the time to say that I have read many of you poems. I do have a sense of what your heart cries out though.
I simply wanted to relay to you that you seem to have a rather genuine heart felt way with words. I was once a very deep poet, caught in the darkness of hopelessness and confusion, awaiting my end any day, but have not entered that deep realm of thoughts for a very long time now. You are very gifted with words. I pray all works out for you...

Catalyst

**Rovivrus2** · 05-26-2003, 08:43 PM

Catalyst,

Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. I know that much of my poetry is about despair, sadness, loss, frustration and such—but rest assured, the moment I finish writing a poem, I feel free, despite it’s content. I suppose that I run to my keyboard or a paper & pen in the same manor that others might run to a smoke or a drink. It calms me, balances me, and heals me, over and over and over again. I hope that I somehow convey that in my writing. Thanks again for your kind words.

Rovivrus2

**Be still..I am** · 05-26-2003, 11:40 PM

No faith+no forgiveness=misery

Dear Beloved in the Lord Rovivrus,

You and I, in August of 2002, had a small discussion regarding forgiveness. You assured me that forgiveness was only for the victim, that you were no longer a victim, and that you could forgive your Uncle "X".

What has happened to destroy that forgiveness that you once so proudly and openly proclaimed. You were so much more at peace with yourself (or so you thought), that you had finally reached the point in your journey that you could forgive?

You later discussed you last visit with your counselor and how much better you were. What happened????? Do you need a different psychologist in your life? Or was your counselor wrong in releasing you? Did you have a licensed counselor or a licensed psychologist working with you? How could psychology be wrong about the healing of an individual? You were better, on your last leg of healing (so to speak), were you not? Is it possible that psychology could be wrong? Is it possible that true healing, just as TRUE FORGIVENESS, can only come from our Heavenly Father and not some man made commentary of life?

Something terrible has happened....what is it? Do you now see that you truly never did forgive your Uncle "X"? The "peace of mind" that you tried to proclaim for yourself by forgiving Uncle "X" never came about.......did it???? I wish you could be like Explorer and know that each one needs to be exactly where we are at any given time. It is at that realization, that your journey of "oneness with your Heavenly Father" will begin.

Now do you understand why I told you that true forgiveness on your part benefitted the one that had offended you? As Jesus forgave us-it did not benefit him-it benefitted us!!!

This I tell you true, unless we truly pray as the Publican in the temple, in the quiet corner, with all our heart, not boasting, bragging, being above others, we shall never know or understand the true message of FORGIVENESS.

You do not need to take the time or energy to respond to this reply. If you do, you will only be showing the world your true misery. I would think by now, you could at least find some redeeming purpose for all of your ramblings and poems on this site. I quote very little scripture for you because your reasoning and faith seems to be in the darkness of the world. Everyone has been so kind and loving to you, trying to uplift you through the holy scriptures. This doesn't seem to work for you. What will work for you, rovivrus---only a conviction? Can you not see, that the outcome of YOUR uncle "X's" life, will not hinder or improve your life by one iota?

The only thing that will improve your life is by worshipping and observing the teachings of your elders during your younger years. When was the last time that you and your cousin observed the Sabbath, the Passover, or any of the HOLY DAYS with your earthly father and mother? Can you honestly say that you honor your earthly father and mother when you cannot observe the Sabbath Services with them each week? Where is your faith, where is your love of your Heavenly Father?

Please, do not go to your earthly father to write a reply for you. For you to heal it must come from within you-yourself-your quiet chamber-fall on your face before your Heavenly Father, ask Him for His will and guidance in your life. " BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM GOD", " THE GOD THAT BROUGHT YOU OUT OF EGYPT", THE "GOD THAT KNOWS YOUR SUFFERINGS AND YOUR GRIEF", THE GOD THAT FORGIVES ALL YOUR SINS", "THE GOD THAT KNEW YOU FROM THE BEGINNING, BEFORE YOU WERE BORN", THE GOD THAT HAS CALLED YOU BY NAME".

Maybe then you will find your forgiveness and the will of your Heavenly Father..... that you forgive everyone that has wronged you.

Be still..i am

**Rovivrus2** · 05-27-2003, 05:51 AM

Thanks! I'll start by forgiving that post you wrote.

R2

**Spying** · 05-27-2003, 06:47 AM

Vengeance Is Mine!

Hi Be Still..I AM,

She does have to ask me to reply in this instance. Be Still, it is no longer about forgiveness. It has left that stage! Messiah said:

Luke 23:34
34 ......... Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. (KJV)

Child molesters know exactly what they are doing. It is the children who do not know. My brother, Uncle X, knew exactly what he was doing!

Now, it is about vengeance! My brother need not worry so much about what the criminal justice system will do to him, but my brother does need to worry about what the Father can do to him in the Kingdom of ELOHIM! Messiah said:

Matt 18:6-7
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! (KJV)

I watched my youngest daughter as she came out of her deposition. I also saw the state of one of my nieces after her deposition. I have heard my son! I can tell you that they have been offended.

I remember with gladness of heart those little children sitting on my living room floor reciting, when asked, that the New Moon represents G-d's People. There is great danger here! My brother must make it right with those children.

Be Still..I AM has spoken!

Sincerely, Spying

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