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  • No Faith

    No faith…..

    He was part of those who told us to stand up
    Speak out and be heard, no matter what.

    Don’t follow others, but follow the truth
    They prepared us to stand up and stand alone, without evidence or proof.

    We accuse the abuse, not the church as a whole
    Don’t they remember the lessons that taught us to be bold?

    No matter what other people say
    Follow your heart, follow your own way.

    The themes were preached when we were small
    And now they expect us to forget them all?

    We learned even when we weren’t paying attention
    We learned not to be afraid of any lesson.

    We were taught that a half-truth is no truth at all
    That poor justification is weak and unacceptable.

    They taught me that my faith is the way to live and be
    But they forgot to tell me that, one day, they would have no faith in me.


    4-21-03

    Rovivrus2
    What do you know that you don't know? I know that I don't know what my views will necessarily be in the future.

  • #2
    Through The Eyes of Denial

    Through The Eyes Of Denial…..

    Through the eyes of denial
    This is not that big of a deal
    It’s something that happens to other people
    It can’t be real

    Through the eyes of denial
    The children have so much hate
    And we can’t figure out
    What made them that way

    Through the eyes of denial
    Out of proportion this has all been blown
    If all that stuff really happened
    We would have somehow known

    Through the eyes of denial
    Our lives have been turned upside down
    All because of a misunderstanding
    And all of the psychology being spread around

    Through the eyes of denial
    He does not have a sexual addiction
    He’s just a little bit naïve
    He’s not attracted to children

    Through the eyes of denial
    A brother would not lie
    Child molesters are sick people
    He’s just not that type of guy

    Through the eyes of denial
    People make mistakes
    I mean, what is the big deal
    The children are all okay

    Through the eyes of denial
    Child molestation does not exist
    Because everything he has done
    Fits right into all the lists

    Through the eyes of denial
    We need something bigger, like rape
    But even if they had that
    The memory would still be a mistake

    Through the eyes of denial
    The trial still won’t prove a thing
    ‘Cause if he is found guilty
    We will claim he was wrongly accused

    Through the eyes of denial
    I cannot understand your pain
    I just don’t get the real harm done
    You are taking this to the extreme

    Through the eyes of denial
    Someone must protect him, all day long
    He is the true victim
    He has done nothing wrong


    4-24-03
    What do you know that you don't know? I know that I don't know what my views will necessarily be in the future.

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    • #3
      Going to hell

      This "world" is going to hell and they deny it.

      Don't try to put YH'SHWH'S WAYS into this "world", it will not work. WE are in this "world", but not of it.
      _______

      There are many choices humans have chosen to do and are now calling them "sicknesses". This is a lie.

      I chose to be an alcoholic; it is not a sickness.

      I chose to smoke; it is not a sickness.

      I chose to abuse sex; it is not a sickness.

      I chose to abuse drugs; it is not a sickness.

      I chose my diviant ways; it is not a sickness.

      I chose to abuse people; it is not a sickness.

      I chose to lie; it is not a sickness.

      I chose to give my sin and it's "fruits" (sins) to YH'SHWH.
      _______

      I AM going to tell YOU a TRUTH.

      demons are chained (bound).
      When one chooses to sin, one, literally, picks up the chain, that the demon is on, and wraps it around one's neck.
      This one then drags this demon on a chain everywhere this one goes, until this one chooses to bind it, again.

      "Whatever YOU bind on earth will be bound in HEAVEN. Whatever you loosen on earth will be loosened in HEAVEN."
      _______

      ONE does not fall or get tempted into sin.

      ONE chooses to sin or not to.

      In submission to YH'SHWH'S GIFT of SALVATION and to HIS SPIRIT, I still have sin, but I need not "fruit" it.

      It is not a sickness.

      LOVE,

      RICOEL
      The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

      I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
      I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
      I CREATED YOU for ME.
      That is why I SAVED YOU.
      For ME.

      YOUR HUSBAND,
      YHSHWH

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      • #4
        I wrote this poem, and it is in response to the utter disgust that I feel today. This poem is for my family members, for the group of people that compile the church I grew up in, the ones who have abandoned the children they raised.

        I want to thank my parents for rising up, and taking a stand against child abuse. You are an example, and I love you both.

        Accountability…

        The answers and the truth
        Have been there all along
        Until you make a move
        You will not see what’s wrong

        I mean, who is he, really?
        He is just a man
        He’s nothing special or important
        He is just a man

        Step out of the mindset
        In which you have lived
        Because in that same place
        Is where he achieved his sin

        When I look back now
        So much was sick and not right
        And it will happen to other children
        If you don’t open your eyes

        What about the toddler
        Who’s life is so new
        Why don’t you protect her
        Instead of the men she will be raised to look up to

        At least you can say
        That you were part of a group
        Who just didn’t see it
        Who just didn’t know the truth

        But what will you say later
        There will be no excuse
        If another child is harmed
        If another child suffers abuse

        Today, in the present
        I hold two men responsible
        But if another child looses their innocence
        I will hold you all accountable

        So please consider that risk
        While you can’t make up your minds
        And we will keep paying the price
        For all that continues to be denied.
        5-4-03

        Rovivrus2
        What do you know that you don't know? I know that I don't know what my views will necessarily be in the future.

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        • #5
          yada yada(don't listen to me)

          you take the blame you hold on him
          and you try to give it to me
          but why should i want to carry that
          as blind as i may be
          sympathy for even the devil
          pity for the weak
          something we should all do
          if forgiveness is what we seek
          not saying something isn't wrong
          not saying what he did was right
          but should we all take up arms
          and jump into the fight?
          if you look at only the worse
          that maybe what you get
          should we keep expecting bad from him
          or at least try to forgive and forget?
          you think i take a side on this
          you may think i fight for him
          i may be blind on this whole thing
          but your light on me is dim
          you don't know how i feel
          you don't know what i go through
          to immediatly join me with his sin
          i wish you would not do
          i would stay with you
          no matter what you've done
          to help you try to get on track
          even if I was the only one
          it's hard to forgive someone
          (remember?) take it from me
          but it's harder to never do wrong
          do you disagree?
          know your strength by the people who stay
          by your side and don't hide when sin comes your way
          "ONE chooses to sin or not to." true!
          but to never ever sin is a hard thing to do
          Love is not blind - it sees more, not less. But because it sees more, it is willing to see less. -Rabbi Julius Gordon
          Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. -Matt Groening

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          • #6
            So hateful......but why?

            I will always hate child abuse!
            I will continue to hate it with every excuse
            I will not fall victim to this game
            I will rise above the shame

            I will always hate the lies
            I will always despise his disguise
            I will always hate betrayal
            I will hate betrayal in the worst way

            Don’t tell me he needs love
            And that you can’t stand my hate
            While you sit there and leave children’s souls
            Out of the debate

            If I have a "negative" perspective
            For wanting to protect the kids
            At least I’ll be doing something
            That no one else did

            Why, if he did it then
            Over and over again
            Do you continue to pretend
            That this has come to an end?

            What’s different now?
            What, you think now, cuz it’s “out”
            Please remember, and remember it well
            He did not confess, he was asked to tell

            I will not feel bad,
            Or a single ounce of guilt
            For being angry that we are cleaning up
            All the blood he has spilt

            I also hate inaction
            Doing nothing, and standing still
            He admitted to child molestation
            And he doesn’t fit the bill?

            C’mon you must be kidding
            Or just too busy “forgiving”
            Reminding me of our sinning
            Let me guess, “It’s just all part of living”

            You act as if I have what I came for
            And I should quietly go
            But you must have somehow and somewhere forgotten
            That the full truth, still, has not been told.

            R2
            5-7-03
            What do you know that you don't know? I know that I don't know what my views will necessarily be in the future.

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            • #7
              Millstones!

              Hi Split,

              As War arose in Heaven,
              The Ancients did not say:
              Have sympathy for all the evil,
              That has confounded our way!
              They resisted, they scattered and dispersed,
              To save the Light for their coming Day!
              Will they forgive the Darkness?
              My, Oh My, is that what this is all about? Hey!
              Look up, look around, what happens to the Night,
              At the resurrection of the Light?
              Will they give their Glory to another?
              Never! No Way! Night has a real plight.
              Indeed, it is in full flight!
              At the sounding of their Word,
              Their Vengeance quickly comes!
              So, take care with whom you walk and talk,
              There is more to YAH than you ever thought!

              Sincerely, Spying
              The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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              • #8
                have a little faith in me

                R2,
                How fast you've come to judge me. i guess you forgot my poem, i guess that was what i hoped for. How many times am i going to have to prove that i'm not against you? i guess i've been standing in your way. i didn't mean to. You have a right to your feelings and i don't blame you. i just can't believe that they've been turned on me. i shouldn't have started posting, but how could i foresee. i think that maybe you think that i think poorly of you. This is how i see it.

                so you say that I am lying
                why would I do that
                why would I want to hurt
                what are you getting at

                I didn't ask this on myself
                it's even hard to say
                pain follows every image
                I know I remember that day

                your not even sorry
                for all I can see is your back
                if your eyes and ears are open
                then your heart is surely black

                if pain wasn't bad enough before
                now I find myself today
                apart from ones I know and love
                you helped to take away

                and I cannot see others
                taken beyond my reach
                probably told that it's my fault
                what's that supposed to teach

                and it's like your glouting
                laughing at my pain
                still saying I'm a liar
                but what have I to gain

                what have I at all
                just this hole within my soul
                and there's anger that's born within
                growing into hatred without control

                it's face is his with scars
                if only I could see
                the same face behind cold bars
                comfort there would be

                he planted this bad seed
                must've not thought it would grow
                I struggled with a thorny weed
                as it pulled me several feet below

                but I didn't let it beat me
                I found a strength deep within
                broken back to the surface
                to let a fiercer life begin

                I've survived and i'm better
                found the courage to go on
                with a life that was ruined
                a childhood forgone

                so I fight for my child
                I'm stronger than the pain
                all the wisdom I've compiled
                shall never stay mundane

                now my fears are for the children
                and I yell at those who see
                the circle coming back around
                but it didn't count on me.

                Split
                I'm never against you
                I'll never block your way
                I'll hold forgiveness for you
                I'm hoping you'll need it someday
                Love is not blind - it sees more, not less. But because it sees more, it is willing to see less. -Rabbi Julius Gordon
                Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. -Matt Groening

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                • #9
                  The Moon

                  The Moon

                  Fallon upon us are the boulders
                  Too heavy to hold, as the children get older

                  That small sliver of a moon
                  Was found month after month
                  It needed to be searched for, in the sky, all around
                  For without such focus, it would not have been found

                  Those who would not turn their cheek to even the moon
                  Still sing in worship, but their minds are out of tune

                  Representation of what, we were asked repeatedly
                  Of God’s People, we would recite, you and me

                  We were soldiers then, and we still march today
                  We walk to the beat of a new drum, in a new way

                  Imagine the children, sitting Indian style, on the floor
                  Imagine all of our faces, before you close the door

                  The power of one man, with sheer deception
                  The blinders of an entire group, with utter contradiction

                  The web has been spun, with a smoking gun
                  Some broke free, some remain stuck

                  The sacrifices made for a brother
                  Are beyond what I can comprehend
                  In this story that began years ago
                  But still has yet to have an end

                  I just know that the moon can hide
                  It can be shielded by clouds
                  But yet it is still there
                  Beyond the shadow of a doubt.

                  Rovivrus2
                  5-23-03
                  What do you know that you don't know? I know that I don't know what my views will necessarily be in the future.

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                  • #10
                    Your poem reminds me of another great mind which once walked with mankind...

                    “Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it.”

                    -The Buddha
                    Joseph of "Messiah"

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                    • #11
                      Rovivrus2,

                      I do not expect you to write back in reply to my message, but I wanted to take the time to say that I have read many of you poems. I do have a sense of what your heart cries out though.
                      I simply wanted to relay to you that you seem to have a rather genuine heart felt way with words. I was once a very deep poet, caught in the darkness of hopelessness and confusion, awaiting my end any day, but have not entered that deep realm of thoughts for a very long time now. You are very gifted with words. I pray all works out for you...

                      Catalyst
                      Joshua 24:15
                      But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD .

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                      • #12
                        Catalyst,

                        Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. I know that much of my poetry is about despair, sadness, loss, frustration and such—but rest assured, the moment I finish writing a poem, I feel free, despite it’s content. I suppose that I run to my keyboard or a paper & pen in the same manor that others might run to a smoke or a drink. It calms me, balances me, and heals me, over and over and over again. I hope that I somehow convey that in my writing. Thanks again for your kind words.

                        Rovivrus2
                        What do you know that you don't know? I know that I don't know what my views will necessarily be in the future.

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                        • #13
                          No faith+no forgiveness=misery

                          Dear Beloved in the Lord Rovivrus,

                          You and I, in August of 2002, had a small discussion regarding forgiveness. You assured me that forgiveness was only for the victim, that you were no longer a victim, and that you could forgive your Uncle "X".

                          What has happened to destroy that forgiveness that you once so proudly and openly proclaimed. You were so much more at peace with yourself (or so you thought), that you had finally reached the point in your journey that you could forgive?

                          You later discussed you last visit with your counselor and how much better you were. What happened????? Do you need a different psychologist in your life? Or was your counselor wrong in releasing you? Did you have a licensed counselor or a licensed psychologist working with you? How could psychology be wrong about the healing of an individual? You were better, on your last leg of healing (so to speak), were you not? Is it possible that psychology could be wrong? Is it possible that true healing, just as TRUE FORGIVENESS, can only come from our Heavenly Father and not some man made commentary of life?

                          Something terrible has happened....what is it? Do you now see that you truly never did forgive your Uncle "X"? The "peace of mind" that you tried to proclaim for yourself by forgiving Uncle "X" never came about.......did it???? I wish you could be like Explorer and know that each one needs to be exactly where we are at any given time. It is at that realization, that your journey of "oneness with your Heavenly Father" will begin.

                          Now do you understand why I told you that true forgiveness on your part benefitted the one that had offended you? As Jesus forgave us-it did not benefit him-it benefitted us!!!

                          This I tell you true, unless we truly pray as the Publican in the temple, in the quiet corner, with all our heart, not boasting, bragging, being above others, we shall never know or understand the true message of FORGIVENESS.

                          You do not need to take the time or energy to respond to this reply. If you do, you will only be showing the world your true misery. I would think by now, you could at least find some redeeming purpose for all of your ramblings and poems on this site. I quote very little scripture for you because your reasoning and faith seems to be in the darkness of the world. Everyone has been so kind and loving to you, trying to uplift you through the holy scriptures. This doesn't seem to work for you. What will work for you, rovivrus---only a conviction? Can you not see, that the outcome of YOUR uncle "X's" life, will not hinder or improve your life by one iota?

                          The only thing that will improve your life is by worshipping and observing the teachings of your elders during your younger years. When was the last time that you and your cousin observed the Sabbath, the Passover, or any of the HOLY DAYS with your earthly father and mother? Can you honestly say that you honor your earthly father and mother when you cannot observe the Sabbath Services with them each week? Where is your faith, where is your love of your Heavenly Father?

                          Please, do not go to your earthly father to write a reply for you. For you to heal it must come from within you-yourself-your quiet chamber-fall on your face before your Heavenly Father, ask Him for His will and guidance in your life. " BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM GOD", " THE GOD THAT BROUGHT YOU OUT OF EGYPT", THE "GOD THAT KNOWS YOUR SUFFERINGS AND YOUR GRIEF", THE GOD THAT FORGIVES ALL YOUR SINS", "THE GOD THAT KNEW YOU FROM THE BEGINNING, BEFORE YOU WERE BORN", THE GOD THAT HAS CALLED YOU BY NAME".

                          Maybe then you will find your forgiveness and the will of your Heavenly Father..... that you forgive everyone that has wronged you.


                          Be still..i am
                          For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

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                          • #14
                            Thanks! I'll start by forgiving that post you wrote.

                            R2
                            What do you know that you don't know? I know that I don't know what my views will necessarily be in the future.

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                            • #15
                              Vengeance Is Mine!

                              Hi Be Still..I AM,

                              She does have to ask me to reply in this instance. Be Still, it is no longer about forgiveness. It has left that stage! Messiah said:
                              Luke 23:34
                              34 ......... Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. (KJV)
                              Child molesters know exactly what they are doing. It is the children who do not know. My brother, Uncle X, knew exactly what he was doing!

                              Now, it is about vengeance! My brother need not worry so much about what the criminal justice system will do to him, but my brother does need to worry about what the Father can do to him in the Kingdom of ELOHIM! Messiah said:
                              Matt 18:6-7
                              6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
                              7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! (KJV)
                              I watched my youngest daughter as she came out of her deposition. I also saw the state of one of my nieces after her deposition. I have heard my son! I can tell you that they have been offended.

                              I remember with gladness of heart those little children sitting on my living room floor reciting, when asked, that the New Moon represents G-d's People. There is great danger here! My brother must make it right with those children.

                              Be Still..I AM has spoken!

                              Sincerely, Spying
                              The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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