Gd's circumcision

[beseder]

so there, still a question, remains

will Messiah lead gentiles to a physical circumcision to be included in Israel the bride?
or are they nations that are accepted amoungst Gds people to witness the wedding of Israel the bride with GD?

yes to one of them, no to both of them---
i really want to get this straight.
Someone other than myself is actually waiting for answer- and this is crucial to him.

shalom and blessings

[Spying]

"I Desire Mercy"!

Hi BeSeder,

Blessings and peace to you! You may be correct in your thinking here , and as usual, I have a number of thoughts to express; yet, you know how it goes on the forum: One thought at a time!

This is something that I just noticed as I was studying to answer you on the other thread:

Acts 2:37
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? (KJV)

2660 katanusso (kat-an-oos'-so);

from 2596 and 3572; to pierce thoroughly, i.e. (figuratively) to agitate violently ("sting to the quick"):

KJV-- prick.

Compare the above to these:

Acts 5:33
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them. (KJV)

Acts 7:54
54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. (KJV)

1282 diaprio (dee-ap-ree'-o);

from 1223 and the base of 4249; to saw asunder, i.e. (figuratively) to exasperate:

KJV-- cut (to the heart).

I see circumcision in these verses, and needless to say, there is a rather extreme difference between pricking and sawing asunder (I don't know if I should be or not, but I am laughing right now as I contemplate the alternate circumcision techniques of our Father! ).

When the Tzaddikim were considering conversion to Judaism, we were informed that adult circumcision was more of a pricking than a cutting off. If I recall correctly, a pricking sufficient to draw two drops of blood is all that is necessary according to Jewish tradition.

We reap what we sow. Now, when I read Acts 5:33 and Acts 7:54, this is a scripture which makes sense to me:

Ps 129:1-8
1 Many a time have they afflicted me from my youth, may Israel now say:
2 Many a time have they afflicted me from my youth: yet they have not prevailed against me.
3 The plowers plowed upon my back: they made long their furrows.
4 YAHWEH is righteous: he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.
5 Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.
6 Let them be as the grass upon the housetops, which withereth afore it groweth up:
7 Wherewith the mower filleth not his hand; nor he that bindeth sheaves his bosom.
8 Neither do they which go by say, The blessing of YAHWEH be upon you: we bless you in the name of YAHWEH. (KJV)

Sincerely, Spying

P.S. The Tzaddikim circumcised our sons on the Eight Day! Acts 5:33 and Acts 7:54 is an apt description of how babies react to complete circumcision!

[beseder]

two circumcisions

Hi Spying,
from what you have brought up in Gentiles and Paulos thread.
I do have to bring this up.

there are two circumcisions:
one of the heart and one of the flesh.

Now you brought up that Messiah has done a cirsumcision of cutting off flesh to the believer- which is acted in the heart of the believer.
In this thread i have brought up that haSatan himself is the one to be cut off as GD's circumcision.

so is his when the gentiles are circumcised in flesh???

you cut off haSatan- you cut off every desire of flesh

however, why are the gentiles exempt, if TORAH lives in them as it does in Jews/Israelis that beieve, from doing the physical?
Is not the entire Torah ONE and not pne part can be done away with?
as in you cant take away one part without taking away the rest.
like you take away the leg of a table you dont have a good standing table.
and again im not saying that we are to pressure gentiles into circumcision- BUT WONT Messiah/Torah in them do lead them to do it??
I see Israel the bride, i dont see two wives , i see one.
Only if the bride is Israel and there are nations there to witness this wedding of GD and Israel.
all being considered sons- but one out the 2 sons is the bride.

what say you?

[beseder]

in following the sequence of creation, a literal 6 days "evening and morning"
i look at 1000 yrs, im sure most of us do.
on the 4th day, the embodiment of the light which was from the beginning shined for the earth and the moon(apostles writings) appeared in the erev testifying to the light of the sun in the 100 yr sequence.
on the 6th day, our 6000th yr, man id made in the image of hashem- in the likeness of the embodiment of the light(GD HAAV) who was from the beginning.
in the erev of the 6th day, Hashem will come for his bride. No more buying of oil for lamps- no trading, or lighting fires for the lamps (hence the bridesmades- 5 were foolish)
on the 7th, the reign of Messiah and hasatan locked away for 1000yrs.
The TRUE believers will rest with Messiah.
the week begins again- now the earth has is clean, but hashem lets satan loose to decieve again.
and it is in this day, the 8th day, that GD will be circumcised
for hasatan who stole Hahsem's good spirit will be cut off.