Moshiach has come

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I go this from an orthodox- funny i deem it to be how it already fits


By Anonymous ben Kolonymous (who else?)

T'was the night of the Geulah, -- And in every single Shtiebel
Sounds of Torah could be heard -- Coming from every kind of Yeedel.
This one in English, -- Some in Hebrew, some in Yiddish.
Some saying P'shat -- And some saying a Chiddish.
And up in Shamayim--The Aibishter decreed:
"The time has come -- For My children to be freed.
"Rouse the Moshiach -- From his heavenly berth.
Have him get in his chariot, -- And head down to earth.
"The Moshiach got dressed -- And with a heart full of glee,
Went down to earth and entered -- the first Shtiebel he did see.
"I am the Moshiach! -- Hashem has heard your plea!
Your Geulah has come! -- It's time to go free!
"They all stopped their learning; -- This was quite a surprise.
And they look at him carefully, -- With piercing sharp eyes
"He's not the Moshiach!" -- Said one with a grin,
"Just look at his hat, -- At the pinches and brim!"
"That's right!" cried another -- With a grimace and frown,
"Whoever heard of Moshiach, -- With a brim that's turned down?"
"Well," thought Moshiach, -- "If this is the rule,
I'll turn my brim up -- Before I go to the next shul."

So he walked right on over -- To the next shul in town.
Sure to be accepted, -- Since his brim was no longer down.
"I'm, the Moshiach!" he cried, -- As he began to enter
But the Jews wanted to know first -- If he was Left Right or Center
"Your clothes are so black!" -- They cried out in fright.
"You can't be Moshiach--You're much too far right!"
"If you want to be Moshiach, -- You must be properly outfitted.
"So they replaced his black hat -- With a Kippah that was knitted.
Wearing his new Kippah, -- Moshiach went out and said:
"No difference to me -- What I wear on my head.
"So he went to the next shul, -- For his mission was dear.
But he was getting frustrated -- With the Yidden down hear.
"I'm the Moshiach!" he cried, -- And they all stopped to stare,
And a complete eerie stillness -- Filled up the air.
"You're the Moshiach?! -- Just imagine that!
Whoever heard of Moshiach -- Without a black hat?"
"But I do have a hat!" -- The Moshiach then said.
So he pulled it right out -- And plunked it down on his head.
Then the shul started laughing, -- And one said " Where's your kop?
You can't have Moshiach -- With a brim that's turned up!
If you want to be Moshiach -- And be accepted in this town,
"Put some pinches in your hat -- And turn that brim down!"
Moshiach walked out and said: -- "I guess my time hasn't come.
I'll just return -- To where I came from.
"So he went to his chariot, -- But as he began to enter,
All sorts of Jews appeared -- From the Left, Right, and Center.
"Please wait - do not leave. -- It's all their fault!" they said,
And they pointed to each other -- And to what was on each other's head.
Moshiach just looked sad -- And said, " You don't understand."
And then started up his chariot -- To get out of this land.
"Yes, it's very wonderful -- That you all learn Torah,
But you seem to have forgotten -- A crucial part of our Mesorah.
"What does he mean?" -- "What's he talking about?"
And they all looked bewildered, -- And they all began to shout.
Moshiach looked back and answered, -- "The first place to start,
Is to shut up your mouths -- And open your hearts.
"To each of you, certain Yidden -- Seem too Frum or too Frei,
But all Yidden are beloved -- in the Aibishter's eye."
And on his way up he shouted: -- " If you want me to come,
Try working a little harder -- On some Ahavat Chinam!"

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FUNNY THING- deem it NOT coincedense

speaking with a frumer

I have come to find out that he and his rabbi's teach and believe that there are two messiah's

the first that is supposed to come out of Joseph (the father of messiah)
and the second is supposed to come out of Judah (the father of messiah)

He came and dressed as His people wanted him too- but still they did not recognize him so he left.
Reminds me of something Ricoel said in the Word/law thread.

I believe a friend will join shortly and share some insight about another idea of messiah. One that Thummim begun about messiah being goy- we'll see soon.
I expect it.

Antonio

[Thummim]

Tieing a red thread on a wrist?

...Antonio,

...I don't exacty believe that this {anointed} King will be "goy" {gentile}. As an inheritor of the Name of YaHudaH, he is purely JEWish. I suspect that he will have JEWish parents, but because of the mix in genes, will connect to Zerah in some way that YHWH only knows. He will be both gentile and JEW, and yet exceptable to all JEWs because of his parents. Because of his parentage, he can be born a JEW with a red arm. This would mark him as having a red thread tied to his wrist by YHWH. When you realize that there is no other path to filling the throne of David with a heir here on this earth of ours, a child with a red arm seem an ideal solution. No one can prove linage to David. But David must have a heir to set upon his throne. When you put a heir of Zerah, where Perez is in the line of YaHudaH, you come up with a father of all JEWs to set on the throne of David. Because YaHudaH is the tribe that YHWH links his Name to, {Deut. 12: 5} this {anointed one} can be a priest {they tend the Name of YHWH for which the temple is built} and by the name of Yahudah, he as well is a King upon the throne of David. That is three parts of what Isa. 9: 6, 7 say. This man must be GD {by Name} and priest {by Name and rite} and a father to all JEWs. He must as well bring peace. He must be wise enough to settle disputes between nations. His mantle as both gentile and JEW might aid him in this venture. It must be noted that "Jesus" never sat upon the throne of David. Neither did he bring peace {the absence of war} to YaHudaH. Neither can he be called a father to all JEWs. {unless you think that "Jesus" is GD, which I don't} It is the kingdom of David that he {our red armed heir} establishes if you read the following verses of text.

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6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, {upon the throne of David}, and {upon his kingdom}, to order it, and {to establish it} with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of YHWH of hosts will perform this. Isa. 9: 6

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...How else can a King be father to all of the tribe of YaHudaH? In that the tribe of YaHudaH also gives birth to Israel, he is also father to all of Israel. {by Name} Israel is gathered into the Name of YaHudaH. {see Isa. 48: 1 and compare it to the verses of text that occur only 26 verses earlier in Isa. 46: 3, 4} Did the author of Isaiah loose his train of thought, or did he deliberately make both YHWH and YaHudaH give birth here to the same children?

....Michael

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BAttle of (NOT TWINS) but birthrights and breaches

Hi thummim

I send you on a little homework
look for everysingle birthright mentioned in bereshis and every breach- it didnt only happen with twins (alone)- maybe this will lead to something else with you

[Thummim]

The vexing of the firstborn sets up the 38th chapter of Bereshith.

Abel --> Seth

Ishmael --> Isaac

Esau --> Jacob {twins}

Reuben --> Joseph

Zerah <--?--> Pharez {twins}

Manasseh --> Ephraim

...Also fitted into the story are admonitions not to marry a Canaanite. But YaHudaH does so anyhow. Er is the son of a Canaanite. Read Mal. 2: 11, 12 to see the pointing finger. He who owns the red thread has his rite. He takes the place of Pharez and becomes the father of all JEWs. We have a heir for the throne of David. Beresheth must be read like a novel of fiction to see its author set up his story.

...Have I missed any? The story of Joseph is split, suggesting that the 38th chapter of Beresheth was inserted. Remove this story and the 37th chapter would correctly run into the 39th chapter. It is a part of the setup that leads to "the one to whom it belongs" as Beresheth 49: 10 NIV states. We are staring at the author as he creates his work. Few people are allowed to do this. YaHudaH is to become the Name of GD that will fill the image of YHWH. The tree of life has to be the Name of YHWH, that is breathed into man. Because YHWH lives forever, he that {eats?} of this Name must also live forever.

....Michael

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tov

Hi thummim,
You havent stated any of the breaches(save for zerach and pharaz)

shalom

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canaan

Gen 9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham [is] the father of Canaan.

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Gen 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

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Gen 9:25 And he said, Cursed [be] Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

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Gen 9:26 And he said, Blessed [be] the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

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Gen 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

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Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

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Gen 10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,

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Gen 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

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Gen 12:5 And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

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Gen 13:12 Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched [his] tent toward Sodom.

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Gen 16:3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

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Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

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Gen 23:2 And Sarah died in Kirjatharba; the same [is] Hebron in the land of Canaan: and Abraham came to mourn for Sarah, and to weep for her.

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Gen 23:19 And after this, Abraham buried Sarah his wife in the cave of the field of Machpelah before Mamre: the same [is] Hebron in the land of Canaan.

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Gen 28:1 And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan.

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Gen 28:6 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away to Padanaram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan;

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Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father;

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Gen 31:18 And he carried away all his cattle, and all his goods which he had gotten, the cattle of his getting, which he had gotten in Padanaram, for to go to Isaac his father in the land of Canaan.

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Gen 33:18 And Jacob came to Shalem, a city of Shechem, which [is] in the land of Canaan, when he came from Padanaram; and pitched his tent before the city.

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Gen 35:6 So Jacob came to Luz, which [is] in the land of Canaan, that [is], Bethel, he and all the people that [were] with him.

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Gen 36:2 Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite;

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Gen 36:5 And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these [are] the sons of Esau, which were born unto him in the land of Canaan.

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Gen 36:6 And Esau took his wives, and his sons, and his daughters, and all the persons of his house, and his cattle, and all his beasts, and all his substance, which he had got in the land of Canaan; and went into the country from the face of his brother Jacob.

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Gen 37:1 And Jacob dwelt in the land wherein his father was a stranger, in the land of Canaan.

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Gen 42:5 And the sons of Israel came to buy [corn] among those that came: for the famine was in the land of Canaan. Gen 42:7 And Joseph saw his brethren, and he knew them, but made himself strange unto them, and spake roughly unto them; and he said unto them, Whence come ye? And they said, From the land of Canaan to buy food.

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Gen 42:13 And they said, Thy servants [are] twelve brethren, the sons of one man in the land of Canaan; and, behold, the youngest [is] this day with our father, and one [is] not.

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Gen 42:29 And they came unto Jacob their father unto the land of Canaan, and told him all that befell unto them; saying,

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Gen 42:32 We [be] twelve brethren, sons of our father; one [is] not, and the youngest [is] this day with our father in the land of Canaan.

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Gen 44:8 Behold, the money, which we found in our sacks' mouths, we brought again unto thee out of the land of Canaan: how then should we steal out of thy lord's house silver or gold?

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Gen 45:17 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Say unto thy brethren, This do ye; lade your beasts, and go, get you unto the land of Canaan;

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Gen 45:25 And they went up out of Egypt, and came into the land of Canaan unto Jacob their father,

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Gen 46:6 And they took their cattle, and their goods, which they had gotten in the land of Canaan, and came into Egypt, Jacob, and all his seed with him:

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Gen 46:12 And the sons of Judah; Er, and Onan, and Shelah, and Pharez, and Zerah: but Er and Onan died in the land of Canaan. And the sons of Pharez were Hezron and Hamul.

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Gen 46:31 And Joseph said unto his brethren, and unto his father's house, I will go up, and shew Pharaoh, and say unto him, My brethren, and my father's house, which [were] in the land of Canaan, are come unto me;

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Gen 47:1 Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they [are] in the land of Goshen.

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Gen 47:4 They said moreover unto Pharaoh, For to sojourn in the land are we come; for thy servants have no pasture for their flocks; for the famine [is] sore in the land of Canaan: now therefore, we pray thee, let thy servants dwell in the land of Goshen.

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Gen 47:13 And [there was] no bread in all the land; for the famine [was] very sore, so that the land of Egypt and [all] the land of Canaan fainted by reason of the famine.

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Gen 47:14 And Joseph gathered up all the money that was found in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, for the corn which they bought: and Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh's house.

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Gen 47:15 And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth.

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Gen 48:3 And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,

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Gen 48:7 And as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet [there was] but a little way to come unto Ephrath: and I buried her there in the way of Ephrath; the same [is] Bethlehem.

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Gen 49:30 In the cave that [is] in the field of Machpelah, which [is] before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace.

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Gen 50:5 My father made me swear, saying, Lo, I die: in my grave which I have digged for me in the land of Canaan, there shalt thou bury me. Now therefore let me go up, I pray thee, and bury my father, and I will come again.

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Gen 50:13 For his sons carried him into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a buryingplace of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.

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Exd 6:4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.

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Exd 15:15 Then the dukes of Edom shall be amazed; the mighty men of Moab, trembling shall take hold upon them; all the inhabitants of Canaan shall melt away.

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Exd 16:35 And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited; they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

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Lev 14:34 When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;

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Lev 18:3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.
Lev 25:38 I [am] the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, to give you the land of Canaan, [and] to be your God.

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Num 13:2 Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel: of every tribe of their fathers shall ye send a man, every one a ruler among them.

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Num 13:17 And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan, and said unto them, Get you up this [way] southward, and go up into the mountain:

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Num 26:19 The sons of Judah [were] Er and Onan: and Er and Onan died in the land of Canaan.

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Num 32:30 But if they will not pass over with you armed, they shall have possessions among you in the land of Canaan.

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Num 32:32 We will pass over armed before the LORD into the land of Canaan, that the possession of our inheritance on this side Jordan [may be] ours.

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Num 33:40 And king Arad the Canaanite, which dwelt in the south in the land of Canaan, heard of the coming of the children of Israel.

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Num 33:51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;

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Num 34:2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this [is] the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, [even] the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof

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Num 34:29 These [are they] whom the LORD commanded to divide the inheritance unto the children of Israel in the land of Canaan.

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Num 35:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come over Jordan into the land of Canaan;

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Num 35:14 Ye shall give three cities on this side Jordan, and three cities shall ye give in the land of Canaan, [which] shall be cities of refuge.

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Deu 32:49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, [unto] mount Nebo, which [is] in the land of Moab, that [is] over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:

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NO WHERE IN BIBLE!



Jos 5:12 And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.

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Jos 14:1 And these [are the countries] which the children of Israel inherited in the land of Canaan, which Eleazar the priest, and Joshua the son of Nun, and the heads of the fathers of the tribes of the children of Israel, distributed for inheritance to them.

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Jos 21:2 And they spake unto them at Shiloh in the land of Canaan, saying, The LORD commanded by the hand of Moses to give us cities to dwell in, with the suburbs thereof for our cattle.

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Jos 22:9 And the children of Reuben and the children of Gad and the half tribe of Manasseh returned, and departed from the children of Israel out of Shiloh, which [is] in the land of Canaan, to go unto the country of Gilead, to the land of their possession, whereof they were possessed, according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.

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Jos 22:10 And when they came unto the borders of Jordan, that [are] in the land of Canaan, the children of Reuben and the children of Gad and the half tribe of Manasseh built there an altar by Jordan, a great altar to see to.

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Jos 22:11 And the children of Israel heard say, Behold, the children of Reuben and the children of Gad and the half tribe of Manasseh have built an altar over against the land of Canaan, in the borders of Jordan, at the passage of the children of Israel.

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Jos 22:32 And Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, and the princes, returned from the children of Reuben, and from the children of Gad, out of the land of Gilead, unto the land of Canaan, to the children of Israel, and brought them word again.

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Jos 24:3 And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.

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Jdg 3:1 Now these [are] the nations which the LORD left, to prove Israel by them, [even] as many [of Israel] as had not known all the wars of Canaan;

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Jdg 4:2 And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host [was] Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles.

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Jdg 4:23 So God subdued on that day Jabin the king of Canaan before the children of Israel.

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Jdg 4:24 And the hand of the children of Israel prospered, and prevailed against Jabin the king of Canaan, until they had destroyed Jabin king of Canaan.
Jdg 5:19 The kings came [and] fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.

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Jdg 21:12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which [is] in the land of Canaan.

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1Ch 1:8 The sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.

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1Ch 1:13 And Canaan begat Zidon his firstborn, and Heth,

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1Ch 16:18 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;

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Psa 105:11 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:

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Psa 106:38 And shed innocent blood, [even] the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.

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Psa 135:11 Sihon king of the Amorites, and Og king of Bashan, and all the kingdoms of Canaan:

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Isa 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

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Eze 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity [is] of the land of Canaan; thy father [was] an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

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Eze 16:29 Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith.

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Zep 2:5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD [is] against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.

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Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

No where in BIBLE does it ever say YAACOV told his sons not to marry the daughters or sons of canaan, infact, because of what happened to his daughter- Jacob/Israel considered it

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tadaaaaaa


Gen 10:18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

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Gen 10:19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

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Gen 13:7 And there was a strife between the herdmen of Abram's cattle and the herdmen of Lot's cattle: and the Canaanite and the Perizzite dwelled then in the land.



Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

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Gen 24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:

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Gen 24:37 And my master made me swear, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife to my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, in whose land I dwell:

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THE ABOVE WAS FOR ISSAC
Jacob never put this upon his sons- from what his sons did- Jacob probably never saw a problem with ANY of his sons marrying the women of the children of canaan

Gen 34:30 And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I [being] few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Gen 46:10 And the sons of Simeon; Jemuel, and Jamin, and Ohad, and Jachin, and Zohar, and Shaul the son of a Canaanitish woman.

Gen 50:11 And when the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, saw the mourning in the floor of Atad, they said, This [is] a grievous mourning to the Egyptians: wherefore the name of it was called Abelmizraim, which [is] beyond Jordan.

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Gen 38:2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name [was] Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.

1Ch 2:3 The sons of Judah; Er, and Onan, and Shelah: [which] three were born unto him of the daughter of Shua the Canaanitess. And Er, the firstborn of Judah, was evil in the sight of the LORD; and he slew him.

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Hi thummim, you say:

...Also fitted into the story are admonitions not to marry a Canaanite. But YaHudaH does so anyhow. Er is the son of a Canaanite. Read Mal. 2: 11, 12 to see the pointing finger
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Mal 2:11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of YHWH which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.

Mal 2:12 The YHWH will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the YHWH of hosts.

Truth is, I dont FULLY understand why the author says this. However, there was no regulation on him to not marry a canaanite. The same goes with Simeon- and no one ever speaks of him commiting a profanity.
I think there is a mystery behind this that YOU and I do not have a hold of as of yet.

We'll see soon, Y--H willing

[Thummim]

The daughters of false god's

...Anthony,

1 Now when Ezra had prayed, and when he had confessed, weeping and casting himself down before the house of God, there assembled unto him out of Israel a very great congregation of men and women and children: for the people wept very sore.

2 And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing.

3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law. Ezra 10: 1 - 3

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...Here is a little more that suggests that there is a standard to be met in not taking the daughters of another faith {or peoples} to wed.

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11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.

12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:

13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for YHWH, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods. Ex. 34: 11 - 16

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...Now we have a threefold cord when we include Mal. 2: 11, 12. Again the 38th chapter of Beresheth {Genesis} is a setup. The second born has the rite of the firstborn tied to his wrist. Pharez is clearly the firstborn. Until a breach occurs, {"this breach be upon thee", Gen. 38: 29} the rite of the firstborn cannot be transferred. But forgetting the Name of GD is sufficient to merit this transfer. {see Ps. 44: 20, 21 KJV, vs. 21, 22 JSP} In mentioning the potter {see I Chr. 4: 23} in the house of YHWH, Zechariah concurs with me. {see Zech. 11: 13} Giving thirty pieces of silver to the priests {the price of Tamars being consecrated to the Name of YHWH}, speaks of breaking the union between the tribe of YaHudaH, and the rest of the tribes. {the effect of redeeming Tamar from the Name of YHWH would leave only an incestuous relation ship at YaHudaH's root} It is not that hard to figure it out. There is no other mystery to figure out.

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2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh:

3 And I will make thee {swear by YHWH}, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell: Gen. 24: 2,3

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1 And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan. Gen. 28: 1

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...Two consecutive generations relate this desire. If this story were fiction, it would be easy to see the author setting up the 38th chapter of Genesis.

...There is no other path to find a heir for Davids throne. No one can prove their ancestry decends from David. Not even "Jesus" by the chronologies listed in the NT. Who will believe anybody claiming to be "Jesus", Yeshua or Yehoshua? I wouldn't. But a red arm is obvious. Should such a child be born to the JEWish people, it would be good enough for me. There simply can be no other proven path to David's throne.

....Michael