What your faith?

[truth]

Shalom

I was wondering, just what do ya'll claim to be here?

Are you christains of some kind or do you consider yourselves to be something else?


Just wondering.

[beseder]

emes

Hi Truth

Spying is usually the first to greet people, an awesome guy, but I guess I'll be the first this time. Welcome to Lo-Ammi (not my people).
We here, consider ourselves just to be followers of Elohim. we here seek unity, to be one with Hashem despite our differences. So we seek truth.
And by your forum name, we hope you have some to share that will benefit all of our feet. Can your bene fit all?

I personally am a physical son of jacob(though i cant prove it) wanting to BELIEVE in Moshiach. Though I know he is Moshiach.

Stay with us, and you will see what each of us has to offer, sit down with us and let your judging eyes choose which plate to eat from.

shalom
AntotiYah

[truth]

Shalom AntotiYah

Thank you for responding to my question. It is good to know just where one is coming from before one makes a step.

Is there any others here that feel the same as you?


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[Matthew23]

What am I?

I guess I would be labeled a Christian. I'm not sure if others here would except that label as I would. Also, I'm in agreement with the Creed of Nicea, and possibly the only one here that is.

God bless,
matt

[truth]

Thank you Matt

Could you explain what you mean about this "Creed of Nicea".

Doesn’t this have something to do with Constantine the father of Catholicism?

[Matthew23]

The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed
I believe in One God,
the Father Almighty,
Maker of Heaven and Earth,
and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Son of God,
the Only-Begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages;
Light of Light;
True God of True God;
begotten, not made;
of one essence with the Father,
by Whom all things were made;
Who for us men and for our salvation
came down from Heaven,
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate,
and suffered, and was buried.
And the third day He arose again,
according to the Scriptures,
and ascended into Heaven,
and sits at the right hand of the Father;
and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead;
Whose Kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life,
Who proceeds from the Father;
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified;
Who spoke by the prophets.

And in One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins.
I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.


Go here to read about the creed...

http://www.equip.org/free/DN206.htm

matt

Remember, the authority of this creed is not in who wrote it. It's in the Word of God itself.

[Thummim]

...Matthew,

...I could have fun picking this creed apart. Nowhere in the tanakh does it say that anyone will be crucified, and nowhere does it say that anyone will rise on the third day. The virgin {supposedly} is Isaiah's wife {Isa. 8: 18} and this prophecy concerns the time of the carrying away of the Northern kingdome of Israel. {dated to within 65 years from verse 1 of Isaiah's 7th chapter, Isa. 7: 8} If the foundation is corrupt, can the house built upon it be any better?

....Michael

[Matthew23]

fun?

[Thummim]

...Oh boy, Ha, Ha!

....Michael

[truth]

The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed
I believe in One God,
the Father Almighty,
Maker of Heaven and Earth,
and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Son of God,
the Only-Begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages;
Light of Light;
True God of True God;
begotten, not made;
of one essence with the Father,
by Whom all things were made;
Who for us men and for our salvation
came down from Heaven,
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate,
and suffered, and was buried.
And the third day He arose again,
according to the Scriptures,
and ascended into Heaven,
and sits at the right hand of the Father;
and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead;
Whose Kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life,
Who proceeds from the Father;
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified;
Who spoke by the prophets.

And in One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins.
I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.


Go here to read about the creed...

http://www.equip.org/free/DN206.htm

matt

Remember, the authority of this creed is not in who wrote it. It's in the Word of God itself.


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Thank you Matt for showing me. I have seen this before although I have not seen this link before. So I take it you must be a catholic?

It appears there is many different faiths here at this forum .

I take that everyone is free here to express what they believe .
At least I hope this is the case.

It is my understanding that Nimrod took his mother,Semiramis as his wife. At his death, his wife/mother consoled the people of Sumer by saying she carried Nimrod’s child,and named him Tammuz.
Nimrod,she explained,had gone into the heavens and now was the sun,otherwise known as Bel/Ba’al and Semiramis herself was in effect was worshipped as Ishtar.

Pagan religions from this time forward paralleled each other,carrying the Sun/Bel/Ba’al/Osiris/Zeus,etc the Earth mother/Queen of Heaven/The Virgin/The Mother of God/Ishtar/Isis/Easter,etc and Child/Tammuz/Adonis/Mithra,etc. model from Babylon to Media Persia,Phonicia,Egypt,Greece,Rome,and Celts.

This underlying theme is the basis for ALL pagan worship and it all began in Babylon long ago,with *Nimrod *his wife/mother * Semiramis * and the child that was produced by this Holey union*Tammuz.*

(This is the True TRINIY from its earliest source)

Notice the Names changed from place to place through time ,but the Father ,Mother and Child theme and the titles remained intact as it still does today.

THIS IS KNOWN AS THE BABYLONIAN MYSTERY RELIGION!

How did it get mixed up with Christianity?

I present to you a Man Named Constantine and the church that he built!

Christianity’s * PAGAN CONNECTION* started with this one man more than any other.

http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/Constantine.htm

In 325 C.E. the Roman Emperor Constantine I., convened what is now called the * Nicene Council*

Gathering 300 elder/Bishops together,in order to unify basic doctrines,and establish common practices.

(Constantine knew that that religion would play a Important role in Unifying his kingdom,but first he had to unify Religion in order to unify his kingdom.)

One of the most OVER LOOKED FACTS about this Council is this:

This * universalizing * produced the *ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH *.

The Latin word *CATHOLIC * means * UNIVERSAL *.,and there was NO Catholic on this planet prior to this Council.

The same Theme can clearly be found in Roman Catholicism as in all * The Babylonian Mystery Religions* The Father ,the Mother ,and the Child.

What they call the Holy Trinity!


Take a look at some of the Roman Catholic imagery in this regard:

http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/andre/trinity.html

[truth]

Matt here is another link that may very well give you a different understanding on this so-called creed

http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/trinity.htm

[Matthew23]

I'm not a Catholic.

Truth, tell us a little about yourself; your beliefs.

matt

[truth]

You showed me yours.so i'll show you mine

Shalom Matt

So you don’t consider yourself to be a catholic.

Why do you believe in a statement that was clearly produced by the Catholic Church and has no foundation in any known scripture (either old or new)?

If you will please explain, I am not sure I understand your logic.

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As for your question for a lack of a better term I consider myself to be a Yahwist.

I believe in the power of His Name, His Torah and the fact that it is clearly stated that He and only He is the only true Savior.

I believe that the religions whatever name they choose to be known by are man made institution and hold little or no truth at all. (Very little if any of these institutions doctrines has any basis in the scripture and that includes Judaism as well)

I guess you could say I am on the outside looking in and what I see ain’t none to pretty, but you can see a whole lot more from here that’s for sure, than say the guy that’s inside looking out .

Thanks for responding Matt

Shalom

[Matthew23]

Re: You showed me yours.so i'll show you mine

Originally posted by truth
Why do you believe in a statement that was clearly produced by the Catholic Church and has no foundation in any known scripture (either old or new)?

If you will please explain, I am not sure I understand your logic.

You said yourself in a previous post:"The Latin word *CATHOLIC * means * UNIVERSAL *.,and there was NO Catholic on this planet prior to this Council." The Roman Catholic church claimed to be THE catholic church after this creed was formed, so the Roman Catholic church didn't produce it. As for whether or not the creed is Scriptural, maybe would should talk about that. I'd be happy to. Thanks for telling some of what you believe. I'm in agreement with you: "I believe in the power of His Name, His Torah and the fact that it is clearly stated that He and only He is the only true Savior. " Sounds like we disagree in other areas though.


with love,
matt

[truth]

"You said yourself in a previous post:"The Latin word *CATHOLIC * means * UNIVERSAL *.,and there was NO Catholic on this planet prior to this Council." The Roman Catholic church claimed to be THE catholic church after this creed was formed, so the Roman Catholic church didn't produce it."

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Shalom Matt

These folks that produced this creed by their words and I quote:

"And in One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. "

Seems at this point they already Decided that they were catholic or this ststement would not be there.

Just by this statement alone,well it sounds pretty darn catholic to me!

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"As for whether or not the creed is Scriptural, maybe would should talk about that. I'd be happy to. Thanks for telling some of what you believe. I'm in agreement with you: "I believe in the power of His Name, His Torah and the fact that it is clearly stated that He and only He is the only true Savior. " Sounds like we disagree in other areas though."


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Ok Matt I would love for you to show me some scripture that would justify any of the statements made in this so-called creed.
Personally I have looked and can't find any.

Maybe you know some that don't know about. I would be happy to hear you out.

P.S.

It's ok to disagree with me and a lot of people do just that and its good that we do have some common ground that we both agree on.

Maybe we both can learn something. you never know unless you try- Right!

Shalom