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**Thummim** · 01-24-2003, 11:05 AM

Home sweet home?

...Ricoel, on your all in one {body} theory of christianity, what is to keep YHWH from seeking justice for his people and heaving that body in the oven like his Name {YHWH} was given to the ovens by the actions and faith of many christians? Any offering or sacrifice deemed worthy of the priesthood has its day upon the altar. Even the passover lamb is roasted in the fire as is the sacrifices that the priests are allowed to eat from. It seems unavoidable by all the rules of Levitical law that I know, that your body of "Jesus" can escape the fire. So YHWH could justly put the body of "Jesus" in the oven {as so many of his own peoples bodies were placed in the ovens during christianities watch} to bring justice to his Name, and without incuring any guilt of his own. Many christians already believe that "Jesus" is an offering for their sins. They just don't realize that the body has yet to go into the furnace. If the holocaust hurt the JEWish people {it hurt plenty} then why think that the burning of the body of "Jesus" wouldn't hurt christians? I'm sure that YHWH's own Name is sitting upon his throne, dangling their childlike feet from the dark clouds and flames of his presence, over the edge of his throne and asking of the one who loves them, "what is happening to those who did this to us?"

...Now I confess openly that YHWH is both just and righteous. He will not suffer his friends who love his Name to suffer as it did, but for a multitude of christians who believed in the damnation of the JEWish people, wouldn't the the pit be ready for those who dug it?

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat. 13: 49, 50

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. {cast his body into the oven?}

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Mat. 25: 40, 41

...Yes, I believe in the justice of YHWH.

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat. 7: 13, 14

...Either you love the Name of YaHudaH, or you don't. If you don't, and claim salvation from GD's wrath by his own Name, you are nothing more than a thief. Do you enter heaven ahead of the JEWish people like a thief, or behind them as a guest? We all know whose home it really is.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 01-25-2003, 09:39 PM

YH'WH's WORD/LAW

MICHAEL,

Before I respond, I would like to know if you believe the T'NAK, YH'WH's WORD/LAW, is HIS TRUTH?

Yes/No
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In this post I am speaking of the Hebrew T'NAK. The King James version is the closest translation I have found, if you study old English words. Some old English words mean different things in our modern English.

I believe the T'NAK must be read literally.
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Do you, MICHAEL, believe that YH'WH's WORD/LAW, the T'NAK, is COMPLETE TRUTH?

Yes/No
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Do you believe that the T'NAK is written by YH'WH through HIS PROPHETS who cannot lie and cannot be PROPHETS if they write anything on their own?

Yes/No
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Do you believe the PROPHETS writings as being YH'WH's TRUTH?

Yes/No
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Do you believe that YH'WH is in control of HIS WORD/LAW, the T'NAK?

Yes/No
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Do you believe that a mere man could change YH'WH's written WORD/LAW?

Yes/No
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I trust YH'WH. I trust that HE knows what HE is doing. I trust that HE is ALL POWERFUL. I trust that HE is POWERFUL enough to keep HIS WORD/LAW from getting changed from what HE wants HIS PEOPLE to know.

WE, HIS PEOPLE, must stand under HIS WORD/LAW.

Understand?

LOVE, RICOEL

**Thummim** · 01-26-2003, 01:05 PM

Hashem is the work of the tanakhs authors.

...Ricoel, At first I believe that the authors of the tanakh had a unique faith in the Name of their GD. An idol or an object as their GD, would do nothing for the author's faiths. The chief author of the tanakh wanted to create a Name. {the Name that comes in the line of Shem, Noah's son} This Name would be the Name of GD. To it would connect a people who would worship their GD through his Name. There would be "attachment". The spirit that works through this author is that of YHWH. It's not about slaughter, as christians see it. To a christian, the priesthood looks like a faith of slaughter. Offerings and sacrifices are the center of this faith to christians. And these acts of the altar must be "fulfilled" to them. But the faith of the {now called JEWish people} is one of Name. The priesthood is only a team of janitors whose job is to perpetually scrub the place where YHWH {Hashem} resides. Lets face it, YHWH is very clean and needs his janitors to keep his house absolutly clean. Somehow the gentile observers of this faith became convionced that it is the janitors job to "forgive sin" with their sacrifices. This is what atonement is to them. One sins, then ones sins are atoned for, followed by ones sins being forgiven. This sequence being a shadow of what is coming in "Jesus". The big atonement would be a human sacrifice who would cancel a debt of sin permanently. For this cancellation of sin, only innocent blood would do. Of course, when the big kahoona came, he would be without sin, and innocent.

...Now getting back to the faith of the JEWs, as it is supposed to be, a Name links a people to their GD. Nothing that the priests do truly forgives sin. The forgiveness of ones transgressions is strickly an act of YHWH. {Hashem} There is no atonement for ones sins. A river of oil along along with ten thousand rams slaughtered and given to the altar, will not do. No, not even ones firstborn son can atone for a deliberate act of sin. But written in the preamble of the Name of YHWH, is the solution.

5 And YHWH descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of YHWH. {Hashem the chosen Name and tribe, see Deut. 12: 5, --> Ps. 78: 67 - 69}

6 And YHWH passed by before him, and proclaimed, YHWH {the tribe of David without its fourth letter}, YHWH God {El's Name without its fourth letter}, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, {this is like a marriage licence}

7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. Ex. 34: 5 - 7 {reworked by Jeremiah}

...The Name of YaHudaH is the glory of GD. Moses publication of his El's Name {Deut. 32: 3} and this proclamation of Hashem by YHWH, is the same thing. The author began writing his book to get to this Name.

...So we now have two separate faiths. One built upon a Name and one built upon slaughter and the sheding of {Innocent blood?} Nothing in the tanakh gives "Jesus" the right to forgive sin. While it may seem that the people are always involved in sacrifice because so much textual space is devoted to it in the text of the tanakh. Actually the people themselves devote little time to the priesthood. They are to busy just trying to survive their world. A day to the common resident of the land of Israel is a very strenuous day. Its hard to feed ones family and self on the number of hours in a day. But the priests have nothing else to do except clean, clean, clean. {Much of this slaughter is really food for the priests} But gifts are brought to the priests for temple use as well. {the temple is literally built for the Name of YHWH}

...Now as to how I understand the tanakhs words to be merited as to truth and literal infailibility, the test of time reveals that it isn't perfectly right on history. As well, many dated things didn't happen as they were written to happen. That shows us that the tanakh is a joint effort in cooperation between man and GD. I assume GD's part to be better off than mans contribution. However, since we cannot be sure just how to separate mans contribution from GD's contribution within the pages of the tanakh, we just have to allow a little space to exist in our interpretation of its words. The intent of its author's is easier to access. We can date the timing of many of the tanakhs words and tell if a blessing or a curse is in the authors mind. The end of most of the tanakhs books end in a blessing for the JEWish people. That is no surprise since it authors are talking about the fate of their own people.

...Hashem is a wonder when you understand it. Having a devine connection to YHWH's spirit is what this faith is all about. He breaths life into his people through his name, thus their need to be righteous. Actually Hashem is much more than I'm telling, but I don't want to give away a family secret. The keys to the gates of heaven live in the pockets of this people. There is only one Name that turns this lock. Baruch Hashem!

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 01-26-2003, 05:01 PM

ALL POWERFUL GOD

MICHAEL,

According to what you posted, you believe in a god that cannot control a book.
How can your god control a universe?

You believe in the god many christians, jews, and muslims believe in. The one that cannot control his prophets to write what he says and the one who cannot control his people, who are supposedly with him.

Your god makes promises that fit and don't fit / true and not true. Even the rule for a prophet says that if a prophet prophesy anything that is not true or does not happen that person is not a prophet.

So,

A god who cannot keep all his promises and cannot control his creation is not a god; not my GOD.

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My GOD,YH'SHWH, is the GOD of HIS WORD/LAW. From Genesis to Revelation HE has been consistant.

YH'SHWH has never forgotten HIS PEOPLE and would put all HIS CREATION on the line to bring US to HIM. My GOD YH'SHWH CREATED HIS PEOPLE to be with HIM. HE disciplines US to draw US to HIM.

HE TRULY LOVES US!!!!!!!

YH'SHWH SACRIFICED a LAMB, instead of killing the first man and woman, and covered their sin with it's INNOCENT SKIN. YH'SHWH PROMISED that HE was our SAVIOR and that HE would come to be our SHEPHERD.

HE will not forget US because HE has said it.

What YH'SHWH says is LAW.

I AM SAVED by my SAVIOR. HE LIVES in my broken heart. I AM the proof that HIS PROMISES are TRUE. I cannot prove it to anyone, but HE, my GOD, has proven TRUTH to me.

Jews!
Christians!
Muslims!

STOP IT!!!!!!!

STOP trying to keep YH'SHWH's PEOPLE, HIS ISRAEL, apart.

WE are ONE and nothing is going to stop HIS PLAN. From Genesis to Revelation-------ONE PLAN; HIS PLAN.

I say "STOP IT" for your benefit, not because you are causing any delay in HIS PLAN. HIS PLAN will be. I pray that you will be included.

Faith is submitting to YH'SHWH's WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation);
Whether I believe it or not.
If that seems foolish, I AM foolish under HIS WORD/LAW.

ISRAEL,
submit to YH'SHWH's SALVATION, through HIMSELF as MESSIAH,
and
submit to HIS SPIRIT, WHO will LIVE HIS WORD/LAW through US.

YH'SHWH knows that WE cannot LIVE HIS WORD/LAW, but HE knows HIS SPIRIT will.
Deny yourself not HIS SPIRIT.

ISRAEL,

WE are HIS BODY!

WE are HIS BRIDE!

WE have always been and will always be HIS; FORVER.

That is why WE are CREATED.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Thummim** · 01-27-2003, 11:16 AM

Among us mortals, who can always get it right?

...Ricoel, my GD has a big problem. He has neither hands nor legs. He is forced to rely on people to push his pen along. He does OK without the legs, but the hands are a special problem to him. Sometimes those people that he chooses to write for him, get things wrong. They may hear a snort that isn't an {Uh huh}. Sometimes even the {Uh huh}, isnt even understood. You would think that after all this time, the words would always come out right. There are those who make themselves the unappointed helpers of YHWH. They apply spiritual interpretation to make the words add up. But spiritual interpretation has a bad representation. {that it justly deserves} Let me give you an example.

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18 Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of YHWH'S temple was laid, consider it.

19 Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you. Hag. 2: 18, 19

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...From the four and twentieth day of the ninth month {when the foundation was laid}, the people of YaHudaH will be blessed? Isn't this verse of text rather specific? Lets work with yesterdays lesson. How long does YHWH hold his wrath? Isn't it until the third and fourth generation {Jeremiah's reconsideration of GD's "will" be recognised, Jer. 31: 29, 30} that YHWH {may} hold his wrath? {Isaiah's reconsideration of GD's wrath recognised, Isa. 54: 9} In any case we can see that there is a righteous people awaiting "Jesus" at his coming in the time of the Roman occupation. But "Jesus" refuses to interceed for this already righteous people. Why? Who wrote him a special book to read? When, "tell Jerusalem that her warfare is over" {Isa. 40: 1 - 3 *see Mat. 3:3*} becomes "tough luck Jerusalem" {Lk. 19: 43, 44}, we are left to see that the writers and the readers of these texts are having problems. I know that you want to convince me of your way of looking at the text. But both you, and the authors of the NT, would rather lie to yourselves and amplify your faiths, then read the truth. Like does also Spying, you will not allow yourselves to see the truth. Spying turns the light switch off, and calls it light. And you would rather live in his dim world then open your eyes. This is christianity and its reasoning. This is why the christians gathered around the burning of so many JEWish bodies. In all of christiandom, there was no desire to deliver the Name of GD. {YHWH from YaHudaH} The christians will complain that holding wrath until the third and fourth generation is not just. But they freely hold their wrath at the JEWish people for millennia. So, do all JEWs get to enter the gates of heaven? Will "Jesus" and his followers step aside and let us pass by?

...Ricoel, with your loving heart in charge, {and you should put it in charge} the JEWish people, had they met you in the place of "Jesus", might have found that their christian friends that followed you might have been more worthy of the blessing that is in the name of YHWH. Now you will all have to hope the the burning meat of a passover lamb, really has salvation in it. If not, you will have to ask those who own the gates of heaven, {they paid dearly with their lives for the keys} to open the gates of heaven. When you burn the wrong people and they are more righteous then you, dark clouds of wrath and swirling fire comes out and seeks justice. You know already, that the name of YHWH will prevail.

....Michael

**DeAnna** · 01-27-2003, 02:52 PM

Thummin, it seems to me you taunt,
And offer no direction.

Reading your post was like watching a little
Boy saying;
"I got the keys to heavn, and youuuuuu doooon't.

Seriously, that was quite a show.
I really didn't know what to think about it.
So I talked with Yah about it.
He said; "be truthful".

Love the name Yahudah.
Yeah… well it just so happens
I DO LOVE THE NAME YAHUDAH.

It means PRAISE YE Yah! Which IS > HIS GLORY.
Those that PRAISE YE YAH, GLORIFY > YAH

Get it? Is that too "spiritual"?

As far as a relationship with a NAME.
I completely agree!

A SIMPLE… very simple… 'LOOKING UP'
of the WORD; NAME; SHEM.

And it's MEANING… and looking up the MEANING,
Of the NAME of the CREATOR "YHWH",

"The EXISTING ONE".;
to become, bring to pass, establish.
Etc. etc.

The NAME of the CREATOR...
basically MEANS...

"THE CREATOR"!

Even a "child" CAN HONESTLY,
TRULY… UNDERSTAND THIS.

YAHUDAH… HIS PEOPLE,
(Those that KNOW their CREATOR)
PRAISE HIM, ALL OF THE TIME!

"Your G-d, my G-d"…
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD PEOPLE.

We all here pretty much got THAT Clue.

THE ONE GOD we are all desiring
To WITNESS TOO,
Just happens to BE…
THE CREATOR…
Of EACH OF US.

HELLO!

If you are talking to your CREATOR,
He is talking to YOU.
Unless you ONLY talk to him when you
are In trouble.
(But even then, he'll have mercy eventually)
According to SCRIPTURE that is.

a very large portion of Israelthebrides post, was
Biblical. And not her own words. Till the end, and she shared her take on things, which is what we gather for…
to share, And to Praise Yah.

As far as "JUDGEMENT" on the
christians or the Jews or what ever
label the world insists on at the time.

THAT is STRICTLY between THE CREATOR,
and the Individual that HE CREATED.
And their walk with Him,
and their talks with Him…
And the lack of them… probably…
but that is simply
NO ONE ELSE'S CALL!

He will have mercy
on whom He will have mercy.

If you ask me,
"who is entering at the gate"?
I'd say it's the merciful ones.
I don't think that is a real...
tough stretch.

The ones that put others before them.
Not money, or power, or pride,
or leadership,Or ego, or vainity…

just "others".

I don't know if I'm one of those or not.
I often wonder, and even fear.
And cry.

Often in these times I follow Davids lead.
And turn to Yah. And cry, and pray, and ask.
As David did.

David was given to me as a witness
and a leader.
He was put here for that purpose.
How do I know?
"The bible tells me so". (smile)

As far as the "BODY" is concerned…
If I am one of the merciful ones,
or
One of the chosen ones…
To be part of that body.

I pray with all of my heart,
I serve the body well.

And I pray as David prays.
Unto my Creator, unto His Name,
(His works) and ask Him,
to create in me thus.

And I seek His Word,
I ask for His Word.
I pray for it.
I beg for it.

so that I too can be
"one" with Him. As His
Word, is "one with Him".

"UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN
UNTO US A SON IS GIVEN
AND THE GOVERNMENT
SHALL BE UPON HIS SHOULDER."

(What IS "government",
if NOT "Authority"?)
What does it MEAN to
"be upon HIS > Shoulder"?

"AND HIS NAME (shem; authority/power)
SHALL BE CALLED;
WONDERFUL, COUNSELLOR,
THE MIGHTY GOD,
THE EVERLASTING FATHER,
THE PRINCE OF PEACE."

"OF THE INCREASE OF HIS GOVERNMENT,
AND PEACE, THERE SHALL BE NO END,

UPON THE THRONE OF DAVID, AND HIS KINGDOM,
TO ORDER IT, AND TO ESTABLISH IT….

THE ZEAL OF YHWH OF HOSTS
WILL PERFORM THIS."

In other words, the "creator",
will create this.

"Yah SENT A WORD into Jacob.
And it LIGHTED UPON ISRAEL.
(Is. 9: 6 ---)

"The people that walked in darkness
have seen a great light:
they that dwell in the land
of the SHADOW of the valley of death,
upon THEM hath the light shined."
(Is. 9:2)

It really is about Yahs Word of
HIS SALVATION, His Word of what
HE is going to DO.
Being "received" as in "conceived"
and "born" in us.

His Word IS that "child"
born unto us.
A "son given".
His WORD of HIS SALVATION.

HIS ARM, HIS HAND, HIS WORK,
HIS DOING, HIS PLAN, HIS PURPOSE,
HIS CREATION. HIS MERCY…

"Enlarge my heart O'Yah, that
I may follow thy commands"

"keep far from me a thieving hand,
O'Yah"

"I will follow thy commands
AFTER thou hast enlarged my heart".

"create in me a pure heart".

"O' that men would praise
the goodness of Yah
Toward men".

Says the "beloved."
The same upon whose throne...
This Son, shall be established.

Now thummin, I did not touch
the new testiment.
Is there any of the old test.
I'm not allowed to quote?
or believe?

Peace,
d

**israelthebride** · 01-28-2003, 12:00 AM

Problems?

BLESS YOU, DEANNA. WE are ONE!!!
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MICHAEL,

You said, "...Ricoel, my GD has a big problem."
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I say, "MY GOD YH'SHWH has no problem."

As for me, "I AM doing better than I deserve."

I have one problem. Me.

I am my worst enemy, but my GOD YH'SHWH has SAVED me from myself.
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JN 6:28 Then said they unto HIM, What shall we do, that we might work the WORKS of GOD?

JN 6:29 YH'SHWH answered and said unto them, This is the WORK of GOD, that ye believe on HIM whom HE hath sent.
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IS 57:15 For thus saith the HIGH and LOFTY ONE that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is HOLY; I dwell in the HIGH and HOLY PLACE, and with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
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Submitting to HIS WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation), I know HIS SPIRIT LIVES in ME. So, when I look in the mirror, I look into HIS SPIRIT'S EYES, not mine.

I believe in the ONE HE sent.
The ONE WHO LIVES in ME.
The ONE WHO will take ME to HIM.

No one will get to HIM by who they are, by what Tribe they come from, by what family one comes from, or by what they call themselves. There is only ONE WAY.

YH'SHWH's WAY.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Thummim** · 01-28-2003, 10:59 AM

Involved, and made a righteous people.

Ricoel writes;

You said, "...Ricoel, my GD has a big problem."
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I say, "MY GOD YH'SHWH has no problem."

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...That either YH'SHWH or YHWH has no problem would indicate that all is well with either's world, or that neither is involved with its workings. If mankind and his ways are already in agreement with GD, then perhaps you are right. But I see many fires still burning in this world. These are only YHWH {or YH'SHWH's} problems if they allow them to be their problems. What do you think? Will they get involved?

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DeAnna writes;

Now thummin, I did not touch
the new testiment.
Is there any of the old test.
I'm not allowed to quote?
or believe?

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...DeAnna, I like what you wrote. I didn't see a "Jesus" in it, but the relationship between YHWH and his people is evident in the material posted. Though I read with my own understanding, it seems that we are closer in our understanding of these texts, than we have ever been. As you become more and more willing to take a stand in support of YaHudaH's people and speak their blessing, {as opposed to a curse} you come closer and closer to recieving a blessing yourself. It sounds like you may even believe that all Israel is righteous after all. {YHWH's doing}

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11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant "justify" {"tzadek, make righteous"} many; {JEWs, vs. 8} for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. {and made them righteous through his knowledge} Isa. 53: 11, 12

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...Though you might not realize it, this is always what I am doing. I do not see how "Jesus" ever did this {interceed and make the JEWish people righteous} in the NT. It seems that the NT left many believing that the JEWish people are an unrighteous people. I'm glad that you see past this faith, to the truth. The messiah doesn't come to save the worlds people in exclusion to his own people. There is no permission to fail in this task, that is given in the text of Isaiah.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 01-28-2003, 04:45 PM

Everything is going as planned.

MICHAEL,

YH'WH knows what HE is doing. HE has a CREATION that has an end. It will come.

WE all need "drawing to HIM" (discipline). Our compassion is the same as our righteousness---"dirty rags".

I believe that if, just, two of US would submit to HIS WORD/LAW, WE could move as HIS PEOPLE.

You see, the world is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. YH'WH says that HE lets those, that want to, go after their own heart's desires. They want to go to sheol, let them.

WE should go after YH'WH'S HEART'S DESIRES.

BE HIS, under HIS WORD, indwelled by HIS SPIRIT.

Having just two, who would submit themselves to this, YH'WH would move through them to draw HIS PEOPLE to HIM.

The time will come.

Time will end.

Choose now, YH'WH'S WAY.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Thummim** · 01-29-2003, 11:02 AM

A faith built upon fulfilled sacrifices?

...Ricoel, dare we even allow ourselves to see the foundation that a faith is built upon? What would christianity be without its sacrifices to fulfill? What would Judiasm be without Hashem, the work of Moses? {what is your Name should the people ask?} If we find out that a faith that rests upon sacrifice doesn't work according to the texts of the tanakh, is it too late to alter our faith? Will we go on believing in a sacrificial lamb, or move towards the light and acknowledge the truth? It should be easy to find the great deciever of this world by simply looking for the faith that is the greatest enemy of YHWH's Name. Which faith has the most innocent JEWish blood upon it? The spilling of this blood should point the way to the evil one. He will call himself GD. He himself will claim the throne of GD. He will be believed to be the deliverer of the JEWish people, but will not deliver them at all. His path is only to accuse the righteous and will not bring a blessing to the Name of GD. {I wonder why?} What is the history of christianity, that you should think it a blessing to the Name of YHWH? The people who bear this Name, YHWH, sure wern't sheltered by the christian faith. But they are the subjects of messianic deliverance, in all texts. Who saves the world to the exclusion of GD's Name?

...I know that you bow to him. I know that you are convinced that he is GD, regardless of what his followers have done to the JEWish people. Like any evil one, he blesses those who acknowledge his authority and do his will {Saddam, Stalin, and Hitler included}. The truth is seen in how he treats the Name of YHWH. It is said that he will place the abomination that leads to desolation. Are we sure that he didn't? Hasn't desolation followed a people who were to be blessed according to all the texts? I've shown you plainly that the JEWish people are a righteous people that own a perpetual blessing. "Jesus" doesn't deliver the JEWish people. Wherever christianity visits the JEWish people, JEWs lie dead at their feet. It's takin the blood of six and a half million JEWs to change this. Slaughter is the faith of christianity, and slaughter is what they have given to the JEWish people. {Smell the christianity that surrounds these JEWish bodies} It doesn't smell like deliverance, does it? The true messiah has only to make the JEWish people righteous by his knowledge. That is really very easy to do by anyone who cares to try. But are christians taught to think of JEWs as a righteous people?

...I cannot free you. You have sold your soul to your faith. The people that own the gates of heaven are the ones that christianity assaults.

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19 Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise YHWH:

20 This gate of YHWH, into which the righteous shall enter.

21 I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.

22 The stone which the builders refused {the rock of David} is become the head stone of the corner.

23 This is YHWH'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

24 This is the day which YHWH hath made; {the day of YHWH *the LORD*} we will rejoice and be glad in it.

25 Save now, I beseech thee, O YHWH: O YHWH, {see ex. 34: 6} I beseech thee, send now prosperity.

26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH: we have blessed you out of the house of YHWH. Ps. 118: 19 - 26

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...YHWH never requires the shedding of innocent blood! This is not his way.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 01-29-2003, 09:43 PM

the Jews sold out ISRAEL.

You do know that the Jews (Judah and Benjamin) sold their brothers (the Ten Tribes under Ephraim) ISRAEL into slavery.

These Ten Tribes got forceably scattered around the known world at that time. These Ten Tribes were lost amogst the "nations". Remember, Jacobs prophecy when he BLESSED Ephraim and Manaseh.

You keep blaming Christianity for the troubles the Jews have had, but ISRAEL had many troubles because of the Jews.

And if you say that YH'WH had this in HIS PLAN, well, what were HIS PLANS when the troubles happened to the Jews.

And if you say that many of the Jews today were not there when ISRAEL was sold out, many Christians today were not there when the Jews went through their troubles.
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I truthfully don't believe that there is a Jewish race, based on YH'SHWH's WORD. No one today can prove that their blood is from the Tribe of Judah/Benjamin. People, who are into Judaism, are Jews because of their religion.

No one can prove that they are from the blood of ABRAHAM.

No one is born SAVED because they are Jewish.

No one is SAVED because they are Christians.
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If ONE is SAVED because ONE bears HIS NAME:

(as you say) in YAH udah ------- YAH's PRAISE

Well, anyone bearing the NAME YH'SHWH ------- YAH's SAVES

is SAVED.
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But, believe me anyone who is CALLED by HIS NAME
must have HIS SPIRIT LIVING in ONE to prove it.

And the proof of HIS SPIRIT in ONE is
submitting to HIS SALVATION
and submitting to HIS SPIRIT, WHO will LIVE HIS WORD/LAW through US.

WE are HIS TEMPLE.
No more will there be a stone temple,
but HIS TEMPLE of FLESH.
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2CHRON 7:14 If MY PEOPLE, which are called by MY NAME, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek MY FACE, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

2CHRON 7:15 Now MINE EYES shall be open, and MINE EARS attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

2CHRON 7:16 For now have I CHOSEN and SANCTIFIED this HOUSE, that MY NAME may be there for ever: and MINE EYES and MINE HEART shall be there perpetually.
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HE is speaking of HIS HOUSE, where HE will LIVE.

HIS WORD is FOREVER.

Two stone temples.

WE are HIS TEMPLE/HIS HOUSE. (the third one)

The only TEMPLE that HE can LIVE in FOREVER.
The only TEMPLE that can fulfill HIS WORD.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Thummim** · 01-30-2003, 12:03 AM

Another look at desolation.

Ricoel writes;

You do know that the Jews (Judah and Benjamin) sold their brothers (the Ten Tribes under Ephraim) ISRAEL into slavery.

...Where does it say this? It was YHWH that put Pekah and Rezin into the hands of Assyria. These two were in league with each other and together were attacking Judah. Try reading Isaiah's seventh chapter again. You misunderstand the history of the time. Ahaz is the king of Jerusalem when Isaiah comes to him and asks him to ask for a sign from YHWH, concerning these two kings. Ahaz didn't request a sign from YHWH. But YHWH gave him one anyhow when he told him;

The desolation of the land of Israel {excluding Judah}

Isa. 7: 16 - 25

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

17 YHWH shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come, from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.

18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that YHWH shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.

19 And they shall come, and shall rest all of them in the desolate valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all thorns, and upon all bushes.

20 In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard. {an Assyrian custom}

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a man shall nourish a young cow, and two sheep;

22 And it shall come to pass, for the abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: for butter and honey shall every one eat that is left in the land. {there shall be so few people left in the land {which Pekah now rules} that a young cow and two sheep shall be able to nourish them all}

23 And it shall come to pass in that day, that every place shall be, where there were a thousand vines at a thousand silverlings, it shall even be for briers and thorns.

24 With arrows and with bows shall men come thither; because all the land shall become briers and thorns.

25 And on all hills that shall be digged with the mattock, there shall not come thither the fear of briers and thorns: but it shall be for the sending forth of oxen, and for the treading of lesser cattle.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 01-30-2003, 10:40 PM

is or isn't?

So, MICHAEL,

It is YH'WH's fault when the Jews were used to sell out their brothers, ISRAEL, into slavery and it was the Christians fault when YH'WH used the Christians to sell out their brothers, JUDAH, into slavery.

Either YH'WH is all POWERFUL or HE is not.

MICHAEL, you pick and choose from YH'WH's WORD using what agrees with your belief at the time.

Your thoughts of YH'WH, as GOD, are:

HE is POWERFUL when HE MOVES in agreement with you
and HE has no arms or legs, when HE MOVES against your beliefs.

MICHAEL, you are god to you. You pick and choose what you want to believe from GOD YH'WH's WORD.

You as god, cripple GOD YH'WH, when HE moves against you.

Your god is not consistent.

My GOD YH'SHWH is the same today as HE was with ABRAHAM.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Thummim** · 01-31-2003, 01:34 PM

Somewhere between being JEWish, and being christian.

Ricoel writes;

It is YH'WH's fault when the Jews were used to sell out their brothers, ISRAEL, into slavery and it was the Christians fault when YH'WH used the Christians to sell out their brothers, JUDAH, into slavery.

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...Ricoel, were do you get this faith of yours from? Quote me a chapter and verse. Did Judah set up Rezin? {the king of Israel in the time of Ahaz} If YHWH himself decides to cancel out the remaining people who war on Judah, who will you blame? I cannot follow your thinking. What does it have to do with what is written? So Judah plotted against Ephraim to break the brotherhood of Israel? I don't see it that way. And when did the christians sell Judah into slavery? Didn't the christians just decide to rewrite themselves a new faith using the words of the tanakh? Christianity wasn't even a faith in the time of "Jesus". Christianity was years in the making. But it has existed in conflict with most of the JEWish people, during most of its existance. The conflict is easy to find in the NT. Just look for the term {the JEWs}. Our problem with christianity is that it didn't ceed any honor to the JEWish people for being JEWs. The JEWs get to be the killers of the son and GD - messiah, though most JEWs never even new "Jesus". What christianity is to the JEWish people, and what the JEWish people are to christians is very different, one to another. Most of the NT is the faith of Rome, and its earliest texts are very many years removed from the time of "Jesus". Rome put the NT together itself. But the book does nothing to bless the JEWish people. The NT presents a picture of a christian heaven with only the fewest of JEWs present. Most JEWs get the withered branch treatment from the NT.

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25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Mat. 27: 25

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...What is this all about? Can we negotiate something different here? Perhaps you can leave our children out of it. But then, christianity didn't, and the ovens consumed even them. Where were the christians who should have been helping their JEWish brothers? Were they stealing what was left behind by the hopeless? Was Germany the home of another faith that we can accuse? Christianity seems a rather worthless and tested faith to me. Lets go through the tanakh again and see if it supports a faith built upon "fulfilled" sacrifices. Perhaps the Romans were too bloodthirsty, to concieve of a faith built upon a Name. Then using the letters YHWH would have proven them all thieves! And then they try to pass their faith off as JEWish? If you want to see what christianity really is, just open your eyes.

...Ricoel, your heart is good, but your thinking is bad. You're defending the wrong people. The test is to free the Name of the JEWish people. Only then do you get to walk through the gates that get past the wrath of YHWH. Do you really think that YHWH will forgive the tresspass of making his Name a curse to his people? Why should JEWs die, just because they are JEWish? We didn't sell Israel into slavery. We Named the land after our brothers.

....Michael

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