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  • Spying
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    Milk And Meat?

    Hi Rockywhy,

    Thank you for answering my question, and I am thankful that you are into meat more than milk.

    In my walk through the wilderness, I find myself drinking some milk, but I, like you, prefer eating meat.
    • I define drinking milk as repeatedly laying a foundation of repentance away from dead works in order to serve Messiah Yahushua!
    • I define eating meat as working to accomplish the will and work of YAHWEH ELOHIM who, of course, is now Messiah Yahuhsua!
    Naturally, one cannot eat meat without knowledge and understand. Knowledge and understanding are gifts. Gifts are freely given by the spirit so that we can accomplish our work.

    The works that we can accomplish with the gifts is the eating of meat that I desire. This is the WORD made flesh. This is how the WORD is given substance! DeAnna has taught me that the WORD made flesh is the DBR of Messiah within each of us!

    I don't know how much of the eating itself can actually therefore be credited to the individuals themselves who are eating because the eating of meat is also a gift? Even so, what we eat, we eat! Accordingly, it is my hope to someday here these words or something very similar to them:
    Matt 25:34
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: (KJV)

    Matt 25:21
    21 His master said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy master. (KJV)
    It is through hoping for these that I drink milk and eat meat. The Jews say that we should not drink milk and eat meat together or at the same time. What do you say?

    Have a good day, and may you also be blessed in your work in Messiah!

    Sincerely, Spying

    P.S. The names are very important! I look upon the Kenites as all those who seek the death of their brothers because they are jealous of them! I have not looked at the other nations in order to determine their characteristics. You are correct. They must be overcome if they are found within ourselves!

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  • beseder
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    I never said...

    Hi Spying, its funny that you use david david david
    We all know that the seed MUST be of david!! HE MUST BE!
    and the throne was given to solomon, right?
    But it never said "solomons" seed, or did it? the throne belongs to solomon, but he can give it to whomever he wishes to, AS LONG AS IT IS DAVIDS SEED.
    If solomon adopts a son of david, near kin, and gives it to him, whats stopping him. Nothing as far as i can gather.

    So no doubt, this is my arguement, as we know that Miryam was of Natan, and Yoseph was of Shlomo.
    so there is NO SEED of shlomo in Messiah.

    You might argue that the women are not seeds, your right- only in a sence...the seed which was the father of Miryam gave birth to fertile soil of that seed. and so HaAv chose to take that for himself and give "seed". thing is, could it have been a sperm in egg? could it have already been a fetus put inside of her body?

    who knows, since david was the apple of ELs eye, he himself could have taken seed from him and of the woman and put a fetus in her- or just got the seed of david and made a man of it itself and just put it in the woman to hold.
    many possibilities here.
    However, what i allude to is that Yoseph did not a son- but adopted him anyway. and we see this adoption especially by the tractate and witnesses testified to this, Gabriel, Haav who sent him and the Spirit which confirmed this- and then Yoseph himself who acknowledged that YHshWH was his own.

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  • Spying
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    The House And Throne!

    Hi BeSeder,

    When you pull me to the Talmud, it is like entering a cave where I freely can explore for days and sometimes get lost. I did take notice that a sage and a lay court of three can dissolve or disallow a vow! Needless to say, I found that of great personal interest!

    The Seed of David and the Seed of Abraham can only come from the loins of David and Abraham. ELOHIM is not a man that HE should have loins unless of course ELOHIM should appear as a man and should decide to wrestle with a man as a man.

    The spirit of ELOHIM is indeed seed (sperm, 1 John 3:9). All men have this seed within themselves given by our Creator, and we are all thereby sons of ELOHIM (Luke 3:38). This seed is sown in various colors of earth with varying degrees of fertility. Just because we have the seed of ELOHIM within us, this does not mean that we are the Seed of David or the Seed of Abraham. Their seed must come from them. Messiah was in the loins of both Abraham and David just as Levi was in the loins of Abraham (Hebrews 7:9-10).

    While the spirit of ELOHIM is indeed seed or sperm, why do you seem to object to the idea that a specific sperm of Joseph was taken from Joseph by the spirit and placed in the womb of Mary? Why would you find this event difficult to accept? This miraculous conception does indicate that potentially that child would have two fathers, Joseph and YAHWEH ELOHIM. Indeed, the seed came from the Joseph, but the planting was accomplished by the spirit of YAHWEH ELOHIM.

    With this concept the scriptures do agree. YAHWEH ELOHIM said:
    Gen 15:4-5
    4 And, behold, the word of YAHWEH came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
    5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. (KJV)

    Gen 22:17-18
    17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
    18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
    (KJV)

    2 Sam 7:12-14
    12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
    13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
    14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: (KJV)
    How else could YAHWEH be a father to David's SEED unless YAHWEH HIMSELF participated in the planting of that seed?

    These words of YAHWEH ELOHIM stand sure and true, and they cannot be broken:
    Jer 33:19-22
    19 And the word of YAHWEH came unto Jeremiah, saying,
    20 Thus saith YAHWEH; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
    21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
    22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me. (KJV)
    Where are the sons of David who can prove that David is their father? Where are the Levites who can prove that they are priests? Show me his throne! Show me his house in which they minister!

    Thanks be to ELOHIM that all these promises have their "YES" in Messiah Yahushua!

    Sincerely, Spying

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  • rockywhy
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    Shalom all:

    Thank you for your reply Spy. Since you asked a question in your last post I will try to respond as I am able in my understanding.
    First I think it is important to look at who Abram made the covenant with and if you go back to the beginning of the 15th chapter it reads that the Word of YHWH came to Abram. Who is the Word made flesh?
    Now for the land that was given to us to possess. You mentioned the tribes or the inhabitant of the land that we would have to conquer to take possession. Let's take a look at them. The Kenites(possession; purchase; lamentation), Kenizzites(possession; purchase), Kadmonites(ancients; chiefs), Hittites(one who is broken; who fears), the Perizzites(dwelling in villages), Rephaim(those of medicine), Amorite(bitter; a rebel; a babbler), Canaanites(merchants; traders; or that humbles and subdues), Girgashite(who arrives from pilgramage), Jebushites( those trodden under foot; manger). Now with this information then let's look what the Word said that Abram would recieve and what is His possession.
    First we are to conquer the need for possessions; purchases; whining, then possessions; purchases, then the ancients; chiefs; then overcome being broken; and fear; then those dwelling in villages; those of medicine; bitterness; rebelling; babbling; merchants; traders; or that humbles and subdues(employers), who arrives pilgramage; and finally those trodden under foot; mangers. Now with this knowledge and understanding it is a path that we will have to go on to come to the land promised. The Word says that He went before us and it will be by His hand that we can accomplish this not our own. Has anyone made it yet? Where are you on your journey? Now this is the land that lies in between the river in Egypt(that troubles or oppresses; anguish) and goes to the great river Euphrates(that makes fruitfull). We are to possess this land to recieve our inheiritence.
    If any had completed this journey then they would be doing that which the Word says we will do and much more.
    So much in the names and they aren't there for our designation of who's who but for information to be sought out to fullfill our journey. When the Spirit started with the names with me I about fell out with what they mean and how they are strategically placed to mean things that we need on this journey. There's seven levels to understanding and this is just one to me according to the Word. I'm not much into the milk but into the meat which is of much greater strength and understanding. I'lll leave this at this point for I don't want to set a stone of stumbling before anyone as this is one of our cautions that we must adhere to.
    The names of the tribes of Jacob is real interesting and what they say by there order in different parts of the Word. Oh to live and understand.
    May YHWH bless you in Messiah
    rockywhy

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  • beseder
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    revisiting

    Hi ROCKYWHY

    I like your questions, ill give you something to think about later

    Hi spying, i remember we were on this topic before
    Messiah was the son of Joseph and Mary; therefore, Messiah was a son of David and a son of Abraham.
    Thing is, youre right he was the son of Joseph and his first born, however not because he was josephs seed. As you believe that HAAV put the seed of Yosef in the soil of Miriam- However, it was as the scripture said.

    How was he not the seed despite what jewish doctrine says?
    like this
    in BABA BATHRA it says that if a man says that "this is my son" then he is to be believed.

    Joseph named his first born, only fathers have the AUTORITY or LAST WORD in what the name of the child will be. WHO GAVE THE NAME TO JOSEPH? It was an angel speaking for EL HAAV (Messiahs father from when he was in the womb) and Joseph named him, this was telling everyone else that joseph was legally messiahs father, and messiah was his firstborn. That means Messiah though not his seed gets the throne of David.

    You have a Talmud, look it up...its the tractate in section 8 of Baba bathra

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  • Spying
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    The Covenant With Abram!

    Hi Rockywhy,

    Blessings to you this Sabbath morning, and thank you for your expression of confidence in me. Truly, it is within the capabilities of the spirit that dwells within me to indeed search out all things, and, truly, I personally love to prove all things, and I love to be of service in helping others to prove all things.

    The Covenant issue is an issue which I have repeatedly searched out. I have over the years looked again and again at it. Every time, I go back and look at this issue, I learn all over again and invariably I learn something new.

    Here is a Covenant that ELOHIM made with Abraham:
    Gen 15:18-21
    18 In the same day YAHWEH made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
    19 The Kenites (Who are the Kenites?), and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
    20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
    21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. (KJV)
    This Covenant is made with Abram after YAHWEH had informed Abram of HIS intention to give to Abram himself the Land as an inheritance (Genesis 15:7). Curiously, Abram desires to know exactly how YAHWEH is going to accomplish this task (Genesis 15:8). Abram is given a vision from YAHWEH to show him exactly how. I believe that this vision encompasses the life experience of the SEED of Abram. This SEED is Messiah Yahushua, and it is through this vision that Abraham saw Messiah's day and rejoiced:
    John 8:56
    56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. (KJV)
    So, the SEED of Abraham is given the Land in order that Abraham may ultimately receive his inheritance. This is what made Abraham exceedingly happy!

    On what day of the moon (month) was this Covenant made with Abram?

    To be continued, YAH willing!

    Sincerely, Spying

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  • rockywhy
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    Shalom all
    Thank you both for your responses Ricoel and Spy. Interesting response Spy and since I am not the spirit that should be directing you to truth or what's in the word I will let you search out the covenant question. Thank you again for your responses.
    May Yahweh bless you in Messiah
    rockywhy

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  • Spying
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    Covenant Fulfilled?

    Hi Rockywhy,

    Thank you for your reply! It is obvious to me that you believe that the Covenant made with Abraham has been fulfilled. Abraham was promised the Land of his sojourning by YAHWEH. From this Land, Abraham purchased the resting place for his own possession, his own body, in the Land of Promise. Has Abraham been resurrected to inherit his own body as well as the Land of Promise? If so, then there a number of questions, I would like to ask Abraham. Please invite him to this forum, if you know him and have seen him!

    Sincerely, Spying

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  • israelthebride
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    JN 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD was GOD.

    LOVE,

    RICOEL

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  • rockywhy
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    Shalom all
    Spy thank you for your response. Also Ricoel thank you for yours.
    Both responses are interesting conceptions to look at. Unfortunately Spy to accept yours would once again consider that the Abrahamic covenant is not completed or that the Father is not a fullfilment of His Word. I consider Him greater then that and consider the covenant to have been fullfilled. Ricoel again might want to take what the Messiah said He was and replace it with everytime it gives His name or says he or I or any conotation that pertains to Him in the reading of His testament. He is the Living Word. Thak you both once again and I will continue to read and post when I am led to do so.
    May Yahweh bless you in the Messiah
    rockywhy

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  • israelthebride
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    This is what I have learned.

    YH'SHWH, man, had to be a man to be the perfect SACRIFICE for us to be SAVED.

    YH'SHWH, as ELOHIM/GOD, said that HE was the only SAVIOR.
    _______

    Now, if YH'SHWH had to deny HIMSELF, as GOD, and be a true human, who was speaking when HE said: ?

    JN 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    JN 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

    JN 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

    JN 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

    JN 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    JN 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

    JN 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

    JN 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

    JN 6:48 I am that bread of life.

    JN 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

    JN 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

    JN 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

    JN 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

    JN 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

    JN 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

    JN 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

    JN 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

    JN 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

    JN 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

    JN 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

    JN 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

    JN 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
    _______

    GOD, HIMSELF, was denying HIMSELF (as we should)

    and submitting to HOLY SPIRIT (as we should).

    HIS SPIRIT was SPEAKING.

    WE should allow HIS SPIRIT to SPEAK.

    WE should stay out of SPIRIT'S way and deny ourselves.
    _______

    LOVE,

    RICOEL

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  • Spying
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    Striking The Rock!

    Hi Rockywhy,

    Welcome to Lo Ammi. Greetings to you and peace from my spirit to your spirit and to all spirits which seek and ask our Father why? You are curious, you have asked, and you have received. Now, let water pour forth from the ground where the seed has been unable to grow.

    Messiah Yahushua referred to himself as the "son of man". Messiah was the son of Joseph and Mary; therefore, Messiah was a son of David and a son of Abraham.

    Messiah was flesh and blood no different than you and me.

    Messiah was a living soul. A living soul is flesh animated by spirit. All living souls share in the spirit of YAHWEH ELOHIM. A living soul which sins shall die. At death, the spirit departs the flesh, and the spirit goes back to YAHWEH ELOHIM who has gracious given of HIS spirit (Life, seed, sperm) to each of us. Messiah Yahushua was also given his portion of this spirit!

    Before the work of Messiah Yahushua, YAHWEH ELOHIM was a spirit without a body! Now, through the work of Messiah Yahushua, YAHWEH ELOHIM again has a restored body. YAHWEH ELOHIM does again dwell in flesh united in one spirit and one body! (Of course, the anti-Messiah denies that this is so!!!)

    Messiah believed Moses, and Messiah was able to gather the spirit of all mankind into one flesh through the work of the Cross.

    Then in death, with a great shout, (Leviticus 23:24, Joshua 6:20-21, Judges 7:20, these, amongst many others, are all indicative of the triumph of Messiah!) Messiah poured out the spirit of all mankind upon all flesh, his dead body.

    This spirit of all mankind was then required to return to the ELOHIM who gave it to each of us in the first place.

    Where did our spirit go, Rockywhy?

    Our spirit went back to Messiah Yahushua in the grave, and water does now pour forth from the rock, does it not?

    The resurrected Messiah Yahushua is now YAHWEH ELOHIM. The resurrected Messiah Yahushua is now Father. He is now Mother. He is you. He is me. He is all, and in all, and apart from HIM, there is no life. Again, welcome to Lo Ammi!

    Sincerely, Spying

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  • rockywhy
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    Shalom
    OK RICOEL, understand where you say your coming from but you didn't address my question of the covenant. I appreciate the Pauline scriptures you posted and consider them as pointed out before. Now the John scriptures are different for you post what is written but fail to read them as the Messiah said He was. Let's look at that.
    John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
    Let's view this with the scripture that the Messiah is called by the Word made flesh. I will try to do this as simple as possible.
    The Word said unto her, the Word am (is) the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in the Word, though he were dead, yet shall he live.
    Now let's look at the next verse to complete this.
    John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in the Word shall never die. Believest thou this.
    Might want to look at more scriptures this way to get the understanding that was intended by the Living Word. Not saying your wrong just some thought. This also helps explain the Word being part of the Father or the Father as your words are you and by your words you will be judged. Oh for so many to understand the power of The Word. Well that is my take on it at one level any way.
    May Yahweh bless you in the Messiah(The Word)
    rockywhy

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  • Matthew23
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    Hi Ricoel.

    I must say, I do enjoy your posts

    Okay, from what I'm gathering, you believe Messiah is God AND human. Do I gather correctly?

    with love,
    matt

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  • israelthebride
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    ROCKYWHY and MATTHEW 23,

    YH'SHWH is GOD.
    _______

    2COR 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

    2COR 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

    2COR 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

    2COR 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

    2COR 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

    2COR 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

    2COR 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    2COR 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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    The main SACRIFICE for the sin of the human had to be a human.

    YH'SHWH, GOD, denying HIMSELF (as WE should),
    was a human submitted to HOLY SPIRIT (as WE should).

    Everything HE did, on earth, was as a human submitted to HOLY SPIRIT.

    ABBA came to show US how to LIVE and how to DIE.

    Now, as WE LIVE in HIM, as HIS BODY,
    WE will die as HIS CREATION (SON).
    WE will be RESSURECTED (will be just as HE is).
    ___

    JN 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

    JN 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
    ___

    And WE will BE HIS BRIDE.

    LOVE,

    RICOEL

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