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  • #31
    Shalom all
    Thank you both for your responses Ricoel and Spy. Interesting response Spy and since I am not the spirit that should be directing you to truth or what's in the word I will let you search out the covenant question. Thank you again for your responses.
    May Yahweh bless you in Messiah
    rockywhy

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    • #32
      The Covenant With Abram!

      Hi Rockywhy,

      Blessings to you this Sabbath morning, and thank you for your expression of confidence in me. Truly, it is within the capabilities of the spirit that dwells within me to indeed search out all things, and, truly, I personally love to prove all things, and I love to be of service in helping others to prove all things.

      The Covenant issue is an issue which I have repeatedly searched out. I have over the years looked again and again at it. Every time, I go back and look at this issue, I learn all over again and invariably I learn something new.

      Here is a Covenant that ELOHIM made with Abraham:
      Gen 15:18-21
      18 In the same day YAHWEH made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
      19 The Kenites (Who are the Kenites?), and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
      20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
      21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. (KJV)
      This Covenant is made with Abram after YAHWEH had informed Abram of HIS intention to give to Abram himself the Land as an inheritance (Genesis 15:7). Curiously, Abram desires to know exactly how YAHWEH is going to accomplish this task (Genesis 15:8). Abram is given a vision from YAHWEH to show him exactly how. I believe that this vision encompasses the life experience of the SEED of Abram. This SEED is Messiah Yahushua, and it is through this vision that Abraham saw Messiah's day and rejoiced:
      John 8:56
      56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. (KJV)
      So, the SEED of Abraham is given the Land in order that Abraham may ultimately receive his inheritance. This is what made Abraham exceedingly happy!

      On what day of the moon (month) was this Covenant made with Abram?

      To be continued, YAH willing!

      Sincerely, Spying
      The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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      • #33
        revisiting

        Hi ROCKYWHY

        I like your questions, ill give you something to think about later

        Hi spying, i remember we were on this topic before
        Messiah was the son of Joseph and Mary; therefore, Messiah was a son of David and a son of Abraham.
        Thing is, youre right he was the son of Joseph and his first born, however not because he was josephs seed. As you believe that HAAV put the seed of Yosef in the soil of Miriam- However, it was as the scripture said.

        How was he not the seed despite what jewish doctrine says?
        like this
        in BABA BATHRA it says that if a man says that "this is my son" then he is to be believed.

        Joseph named his first born, only fathers have the AUTORITY or LAST WORD in what the name of the child will be. WHO GAVE THE NAME TO JOSEPH? It was an angel speaking for EL HAAV (Messiahs father from when he was in the womb) and Joseph named him, this was telling everyone else that joseph was legally messiahs father, and messiah was his firstborn. That means Messiah though not his seed gets the throne of David.

        You have a Talmud, look it up...its the tractate in section 8 of Baba bathra
        ONE G-D, ONE SPIRIT, ONE MESSIAH.
        ONE COMMUNITY/IKKLESIA/K'HILLA, ONE BODY, ONE BRIDE.
        ONE TORAH [MEMRA(audible) and KHOCHMA(written)], ONE MASORAH.

        OBEY YE THE SOFRIM (HAKHAMIM) and the PERUSHIM for they are the only ones given right to and power to interpret scripture. DO AS THEY TELL YOU but do not do as the Colored-Rabbis and colored pharisees tell you, for they are Painted!(Matt 23:1-3)

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        • #34
          Shalom all:

          Thank you for your reply Spy. Since you asked a question in your last post I will try to respond as I am able in my understanding.
          First I think it is important to look at who Abram made the covenant with and if you go back to the beginning of the 15th chapter it reads that the Word of YHWH came to Abram. Who is the Word made flesh?
          Now for the land that was given to us to possess. You mentioned the tribes or the inhabitant of the land that we would have to conquer to take possession. Let's take a look at them. The Kenites(possession; purchase; lamentation), Kenizzites(possession; purchase), Kadmonites(ancients; chiefs), Hittites(one who is broken; who fears), the Perizzites(dwelling in villages), Rephaim(those of medicine), Amorite(bitter; a rebel; a babbler), Canaanites(merchants; traders; or that humbles and subdues), Girgashite(who arrives from pilgramage), Jebushites( those trodden under foot; manger). Now with this information then let's look what the Word said that Abram would recieve and what is His possession.
          First we are to conquer the need for possessions; purchases; whining, then possessions; purchases, then the ancients; chiefs; then overcome being broken; and fear; then those dwelling in villages; those of medicine; bitterness; rebelling; babbling; merchants; traders; or that humbles and subdues(employers), who arrives pilgramage; and finally those trodden under foot; mangers. Now with this knowledge and understanding it is a path that we will have to go on to come to the land promised. The Word says that He went before us and it will be by His hand that we can accomplish this not our own. Has anyone made it yet? Where are you on your journey? Now this is the land that lies in between the river in Egypt(that troubles or oppresses; anguish) and goes to the great river Euphrates(that makes fruitfull). We are to possess this land to recieve our inheiritence.
          If any had completed this journey then they would be doing that which the Word says we will do and much more.
          So much in the names and they aren't there for our designation of who's who but for information to be sought out to fullfill our journey. When the Spirit started with the names with me I about fell out with what they mean and how they are strategically placed to mean things that we need on this journey. There's seven levels to understanding and this is just one to me according to the Word. I'm not much into the milk but into the meat which is of much greater strength and understanding. I'lll leave this at this point for I don't want to set a stone of stumbling before anyone as this is one of our cautions that we must adhere to.
          The names of the tribes of Jacob is real interesting and what they say by there order in different parts of the Word. Oh to live and understand.
          May YHWH bless you in Messiah
          rockywhy

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          • #35
            The House And Throne!

            Hi BeSeder,

            When you pull me to the Talmud, it is like entering a cave where I freely can explore for days and sometimes get lost. I did take notice that a sage and a lay court of three can dissolve or disallow a vow! Needless to say, I found that of great personal interest!

            The Seed of David and the Seed of Abraham can only come from the loins of David and Abraham. ELOHIM is not a man that HE should have loins unless of course ELOHIM should appear as a man and should decide to wrestle with a man as a man.

            The spirit of ELOHIM is indeed seed (sperm, 1 John 3:9). All men have this seed within themselves given by our Creator, and we are all thereby sons of ELOHIM (Luke 3:38). This seed is sown in various colors of earth with varying degrees of fertility. Just because we have the seed of ELOHIM within us, this does not mean that we are the Seed of David or the Seed of Abraham. Their seed must come from them. Messiah was in the loins of both Abraham and David just as Levi was in the loins of Abraham (Hebrews 7:9-10).

            While the spirit of ELOHIM is indeed seed or sperm, why do you seem to object to the idea that a specific sperm of Joseph was taken from Joseph by the spirit and placed in the womb of Mary? Why would you find this event difficult to accept? This miraculous conception does indicate that potentially that child would have two fathers, Joseph and YAHWEH ELOHIM. Indeed, the seed came from the Joseph, but the planting was accomplished by the spirit of YAHWEH ELOHIM.

            With this concept the scriptures do agree. YAHWEH ELOHIM said:
            Gen 15:4-5
            4 And, behold, the word of YAHWEH came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
            5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. (KJV)

            Gen 22:17-18
            17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
            18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
            (KJV)

            2 Sam 7:12-14
            12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
            13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
            14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: (KJV)
            How else could YAHWEH be a father to David's SEED unless YAHWEH HIMSELF participated in the planting of that seed?

            These words of YAHWEH ELOHIM stand sure and true, and they cannot be broken:
            Jer 33:19-22
            19 And the word of YAHWEH came unto Jeremiah, saying,
            20 Thus saith YAHWEH; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
            21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
            22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me. (KJV)
            Where are the sons of David who can prove that David is their father? Where are the Levites who can prove that they are priests? Show me his throne! Show me his house in which they minister!

            Thanks be to ELOHIM that all these promises have their "YES" in Messiah Yahushua!

            Sincerely, Spying
            The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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            • #36
              I never said...

              Hi Spying, its funny that you use david david david
              We all know that the seed MUST be of david!! HE MUST BE!
              and the throne was given to solomon, right?
              But it never said "solomons" seed, or did it? the throne belongs to solomon, but he can give it to whomever he wishes to, AS LONG AS IT IS DAVIDS SEED.
              If solomon adopts a son of david, near kin, and gives it to him, whats stopping him. Nothing as far as i can gather.

              So no doubt, this is my arguement, as we know that Miryam was of Natan, and Yoseph was of Shlomo.
              so there is NO SEED of shlomo in Messiah.

              You might argue that the women are not seeds, your right- only in a sence...the seed which was the father of Miryam gave birth to fertile soil of that seed. and so HaAv chose to take that for himself and give "seed". thing is, could it have been a sperm in egg? could it have already been a fetus put inside of her body?

              who knows, since david was the apple of ELs eye, he himself could have taken seed from him and of the woman and put a fetus in her- or just got the seed of david and made a man of it itself and just put it in the woman to hold.
              many possibilities here.
              However, what i allude to is that Yoseph did not a son- but adopted him anyway. and we see this adoption especially by the tractate and witnesses testified to this, Gabriel, Haav who sent him and the Spirit which confirmed this- and then Yoseph himself who acknowledged that YHshWH was his own.
              ONE G-D, ONE SPIRIT, ONE MESSIAH.
              ONE COMMUNITY/IKKLESIA/K'HILLA, ONE BODY, ONE BRIDE.
              ONE TORAH [MEMRA(audible) and KHOCHMA(written)], ONE MASORAH.

              OBEY YE THE SOFRIM (HAKHAMIM) and the PERUSHIM for they are the only ones given right to and power to interpret scripture. DO AS THEY TELL YOU but do not do as the Colored-Rabbis and colored pharisees tell you, for they are Painted!(Matt 23:1-3)

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              • #37
                Milk And Meat?

                Hi Rockywhy,

                Thank you for answering my question, and I am thankful that you are into meat more than milk.

                In my walk through the wilderness, I find myself drinking some milk, but I, like you, prefer eating meat.
                • I define drinking milk as repeatedly laying a foundation of repentance away from dead works in order to serve Messiah Yahushua!
                • I define eating meat as working to accomplish the will and work of YAHWEH ELOHIM who, of course, is now Messiah Yahuhsua!
                Naturally, one cannot eat meat without knowledge and understand. Knowledge and understanding are gifts. Gifts are freely given by the spirit so that we can accomplish our work.

                The works that we can accomplish with the gifts is the eating of meat that I desire. This is the WORD made flesh. This is how the WORD is given substance! DeAnna has taught me that the WORD made flesh is the DBR of Messiah within each of us!

                I don't know how much of the eating itself can actually therefore be credited to the individuals themselves who are eating because the eating of meat is also a gift? Even so, what we eat, we eat! Accordingly, it is my hope to someday here these words or something very similar to them:
                Matt 25:34
                34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: (KJV)

                Matt 25:21
                21 His master said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy master. (KJV)
                It is through hoping for these that I drink milk and eat meat. The Jews say that we should not drink milk and eat meat together or at the same time. What do you say?

                Have a good day, and may you also be blessed in your work in Messiah!

                Sincerely, Spying

                P.S. The names are very important! I look upon the Kenites as all those who seek the death of their brothers because they are jealous of them! I have not looked at the other nations in order to determine their characteristics. You are correct. They must be overcome if they are found within ourselves!
                The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!

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