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**Spying** · 11-04-2002, 06:38 AM

The Walls Of Life!

Hi Israelthebride,

Thank you for not forgetting that I asked of you concerning the "walls of life". I asked because I imagine myself to be a spy exploring Jericho, and as you should well know, Jericho also has walls. Walls serve to protect the inside from the outside. Walls can also be used as in the case of Jericho to confine those who would leave or flee. The walls of Jericho are all the false houses or systems of belief which keep us confined in the city of sin and death. This city is devoted to utter destruction. Rahab is one such house. She is a harlot, and I have been seeking to warn her. Her home is built within the wall, and in her false house, there is a window.

Now, the walls of Zion are built upon the truth. They have a solid foundation:

Heb 12:22-23
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living ELOHIM, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, (remember the uniting of the heavenly with the earthly)
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to ELOHIM the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, (KJV)

I am fairly certain, that with very little effort, that I could prove that the spirits of just men interlocked are the walls of Zion. Who are they in your estimation? What protection do they afford us? Can we appeal to them?

Do they now work for us as you say?

Sincerely, Spying

**israelthebride** · 11-05-2002, 01:29 AM

What is a "just" man?

My FRIEND SPYING,

First, we must agree on what a "just" man is to YHWH.

If you don't mind, I will use "human" instead of "man" so that it includes everyone that is alive.

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No human alone can LIVE YHWH's WORD/LAW.

No human can live a perfect life.

So, a "just" human is not a perfect human.

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We must learn what YHWH means by a "just" human.

I have learned that it is very difficult to submit to YHWH's SPIRIT and HIS WORD/LAW. Once, I have submitted, I find that this submission creates a new life in me. But, it is just as difficult the next time I try to submit.

This difficulty/stubborness in me has made me more forgiving towards others. I know how difficult it is to deny myself and submit. This has made me a "just" human.

A "just" human is a person who reads YHWH's WORD/LAW with their "accusing finger" pointed at themselves
instead of reading YHWH's WORD/LAW with their "accusing finger" pointed at others.

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Now, "just" humans can easily interlock/become ONE because they know how stubborn they are.

Now, why not use that stuborness to unite in YHWH's WORD/LAW and not on the idea that "my work/my ministry" is more important than "yours".

A person that gets offended when their idea is not agreed with is pushing their idea, not YHWH's.
The person that speaks/lives YHWH's WORD/LAW cannot be offended. This ONE is not presenting his ideas. This person is presenting YHWH.

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So, this, in my understanding of YHWH's WORD/LAW, is a "just" human.

A human who is submitted to YHWH's SPIRIT.

A human who is submitted to YHWH's WORD/LAW, through HIS SPRIT.

A human who is as forgiving towards others as this one is to oneself.

This ONE will be made perfect because YHWH will LIVE IN HIM!!!

But, this ONE knows that PURE PERFECTION will be reached when all ISRAEL submits to YHWH's SPIRIT and HIS WORD/LAW; becoming ONE.

WE are ONE!!!

LOVE, RICOEL

**Spying** · 11-05-2002, 09:48 AM

"Spirits"

Hi Israelthebride,

Thank you for your reply. It seems to me that humility and submission are very important attributes to you. If so, then you would appreciate the Mid-Missouri Church of God. Do you yourself preach? If so, then let's meet at the Lake of the Ozarks next feast. I would love to sit at your feet and listen, that is, subject to their approval. I am only a guest there myself. Actually, as far as that goes, do you ever travel to St. Louis? We are all the time looking for quest speakers here on Sabbath!

I suppose that we should work to reach agreement on definitions here. You made me look up the passage or phrase in the Greek through your comments.

You are correct about the word, "men". The Greek word for "men" is not there in the Greek copy that I have in my possession.

Now, I am not bringing up the Greek to make this issue more complicated, or to intimidate anyone in any manner. I learned biblical Greek a long time ago, and I struggle with it every time I turn to it seeking to learn what was really said.

These are the words that are actually there in the Greek copy that I have: kai ( "and", Strongs # 2532) pneumasi ( "spirits", Strongs # 4151) dikaiwn ( "just ones", Strongs # 1342) teteleiwmenwn ("made perfect" or "complete", Strongs # 5048)

"kai" is a conjunction. "pneumasi" is a plural noun. "didaiwn" is a plural adjective. "teteleiwmenwn" is a verb. So, we see that four Greek words are translated by all of these English words:

Heb 12:23
23 ...........and to the spirits of just men made perfect, (KJV)

The definite article "the" supplied in the English before "spirits" in not in the Greek. "to" in the English is indicated by the case of "pneumasi" in the Greek, and "of" in the English is indicated by the case of "dikaiwn" in the Greek. A literal rendition in the English would be this: "and to spirits of just ones made perfect".

"Teteleiwmenwn" is of great interest to me. Teteleiwmenwn is the perfect passive participle of the Greek verb, teleiow. This verb has a number of meanings. It can mean to execute fully, to discharge, to reach the end of, to finish, to consummate or place in a condition of finality, to perfect a person, to be fully developed, etc. Teleleiwmenwn is passive. This means that the spirits did not make themselves complete or perfect.

They were made complete. Teteleiwmenwn is also a participle. Participles are normally translated into the English with "ing" added to the verb, having, running, walking, being, etc. Teteleiwmenwn could better be translated "having been made perfect". It is the tense of teteleiwmenwn that made the translators ignore the participle nature of the verb. The tense is "perfect".

This is what I was taught about Greeks tenses years ago. I am quoting from "A SHORT SYNTAX OF NEW TESTAMENT GREEK" by The Rev. H.P.V. Nunn, M.A. published in 1963, page 66, note 84:

It is somewhat unfortunate that we are compelled to use the name tense in connection with the forms of the Greek verb. It directs our attention too much to the time of the action of the verb, whereas it was the state of the action, rather than the time, that was most prominently before the mind of a Greek.

The forms to which we give the name "Perfect" or "Pluperfect" denoted action complete at the time of speaking, the results of which were regarded as still existing.

What this means is that "spirits" were made perfect before the author writes and that the results of that being made perfect still exist. They were made perfect, and they are still perfect so the translators simply state, "made perfect".

So, you and I both know that spirits can be either good or evil. Thummim denies that Satan and his demons are evil spirits. I do not! YAHWEH ELOHIM is a good spirit. HIS Spirit is not evil, and YAHWEH has no fellowship with evil spirits. YAHWEH is holy!

The spirits within men (mankind) are not good. At it is written:

Ps 14:1-3
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no ELOHIM. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 YAHWEH looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek ELOHIM.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. (KJV)

Neither are they holy:

1 Sam 2:2
2 There is none holy as YAHWEH: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our ELOHIM. (KJV)

Now, it is evident from Hebrew 12 that some corrupt, unholy, evil spirits are made perfect. These spirits are called just or righteous in verse 23. Is this something that we can agree upon?

I know that we have not yet agreed upon the nature of a "just one", but we are working on it, are we not?

Sincerely, Spying

**israelthebride** · 11-06-2002, 11:47 PM

"Just Humans"

SPYING, my FRIEND,

This, in my understanding of YHWH's WORD/LAW, is a "just" human.

A human who is submitted to YHWH's SPIRIT.

A human who is submitted to YHWH's WORD/LAW, through HIS SPRIT.

A human who is as forgiving towards others as this one is to oneself.

This ONE will be made perfect because YHWH will LIVE IN HIM!!!

But, this ONE knows that PURE PERFECTION will be reached when all ISRAEL submits to YHWH's SPIRIT and HIS WORD/LAW; becoming ONE.

WE are ONE!!!

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Look up, in your Greek book, what the word is for "gentile". It is the same word they use for "Greeks".

Look up the word "christ". It is the same word for where the "Greeks" come from. "greased/oiled" phonetically is "Greece"

Amazing.

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I am a teacher. I have obligated myself to my neighbors. I teach where I am at. I have never thought of teaching anywhere else.

Though, humanly, it sounds interesting. Give me time to pray about it, so as that I don't go on my own "want".

I, still, would like to have the pleasure of meeting you. And it would be great if Thummim accepted an invitation, also.

Ah, to celebrate a FESTIVAL together.

ISRAEL becoming ONE.

Tell me when you are going.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Spying** · 11-13-2002, 09:00 AM

All Are Just!

Hi Israelthebride,

Yes, it would be wonderful! If you open the "Our ELOHIM Reigns" thread, the first post gives a link to the web page of the Mid-Missouri Church of God. A link on that page will give you information about the 2003 Festival at the Lake of the Ozarks. Basically, we are talking about October 11-18.

It would indeed be wonderful if Thummim would accept an invitation to come. I really think it would be of great value for all of us to meet. I doubt if Thummim would want to attend services, but only he would know. Anyways, we would still have plenty of time to sit at each other's feet and listen!

If I am correct in my thinking about YAHWEH ELOHIM, then we are actually all neighbors through HIM. This is one reason why we are free to teach each other over the internet. I am meeting my neighbors. Most I like, and I don't turn anyone away as you know.

I look at being a "just one" or "righteous one" a little differently than yourself. I know that I have fulfilled the Torah through my sin. This is the grace of righteousness that has been given to me through Messiah Yahushua, and this is a very difficult concept to grasp. Most hear me say this, and they think that I am speaking heresy. Think of it in this manner: When we sin, we are actually behind the scenes crucifying or sacrificing Messiah Yahushua. These acts of sacrificing make all of us "just ones" because we have submitted to and are accomplishing the commands of the Torah without any direct consciousness on your part, that is, if we have not yet come to a knowledge of the truth. It is a very bad thing to be under the Law. It means that sin still reigns in one's life. So, in my thinking, all men are "just ones" through the grace of Messiah Yahushua, but few have any awareness of the nature of this grace, and few have any idea of how this grace is designed to work perfection in their lives. Few have any idea of how they are listening to and submitting to the Torah all the time through their sin. Do you have a sense or grasp what I am saying here?

Sincerely, Spying

**israelthebride** · 11-15-2002, 08:37 AM

"JUST" Because

My FRIEND SPYING,

I believe:

The YH'WH expects us to be HOLY as HE is HOLY.

HE GIVES US SALVATION.

Now, WE SUBMIT to HIS SALVATION.

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YH'WH's PEOPLE are:

Those who submit to HIS SALVATION, through HIMSELF as MESSIAH.

Those who submit to HIS SPIRIT, WHO, naturally, LIVES YH'WH's WORD/LAW.

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YH'WH knows that we cannot LIVE HIS WORD/LAW.

YH'WH knows that HIS SPIRIT can LIVE HIS WORD/LAW.

Now, YH'WH expects us to submit to HIS SPIRIT.

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That is not living under the LAW.

That is living in the submission of HIS SPIRIT, WHO, naturally, LIVES HIS WORD/LAW.

That is what HE expects US to do.

This is a HOLY person.

This is a "JUST" person.

This is ISRAEL.

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There are sins that lead to death and there are sins that don't.

That does not necessarily mean that we go ahead and sin.

That means that there are sins that lead to death and sins that don't.

WE are ONE!!!

LOVE, RICOEL

WE are CREATED for YH'SHWH.

Look at this web site:

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**Spying** · 11-16-2002, 06:25 AM

One Stick In The Hand Of Messiah!

Hi RICOEL,

Happy Sabbath to you and yours! Thank you for your reply! I actually could find very little wrong in the reading of it, save for what you may mean by living the word, and I am a very critical reader. Knowledge and understanding is important, but love for the brethren is more important. All men are our brethren, so we must love all. When Paul stated that the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), Paul did so in full recognition that ELOHIM is our neighbor and that we are all part of YAHWEH ELOHIM through Messiah Yahushua. So, we have no excuse not to love each other.

We can only love because we have first been loved. HE who have loved us first has given us HIS spirit in order that we might love each other. This is the desire of the spirit, and when we love each other we are submitting to the spirit.

Now, love is the fulfillment of the Law so each of us must apply that portion of the Torah, i.e. keep commandments, that apply to the situation that we find ourselves living with respect to our neighbors remembering that Messiah Yahushua and our Heavenly Father, who is the spirits of JUST ONES HAVING BEEN MADE PERFECT, are our neighbors also. We live in their body, and we are indeed one!

Thank you for the link! I went there and read the history. I could relate to it. I could relate to the yearning to reach out to our Jewish brothers and Israelite roots, and I can relate to giving up all in search of a dream. I know what it means to be broke and to lose a business following Messiah. It is almost impossible for me to be successful at my work and make money when I am studying and writing. I have found it extremely difficult! So, I study and write in hope that I am indeed in submission to the spirit. Sometimes, I doubt and waver, but then Messiah picks me back up.

The two witnesses are one because their testimony to this world is exactly the same. MIM is wrong about the two witnesses being the House of Judah and the House of Israel being joined together today. If we are joined together today, we are one witness. The two witnesses, in order to be credible, must be separated by time and space. They must not be able to sit down together and compare their testimony before they are called to testify.

The TWO WITNESSES to MESSIAH YAHUSHUA are the two Churches or Assemblies. The Apostolic Assembly is the first witness. This witness comprised both the House of Israel and the House of Judah, Gentile and Jew! They were the first Temple, and they have already given their testimony. This Temple was destroyed by confusion, and all the HOLY objects of the Temple were taken and incorporated into false Christianity through the betrayal of jealous Judaism. Through their opposition and hatred, they gave our brethren over to death. False Christianity corresponds to Babylon, and while false Christianity and false Judaism have indeed been enemies, false Judaism created the conditions in which false Christianity could thrive and arise. So, I would give you this word of caution: Cooperation and fellowship between Christianity and Judaism does not combine both Houses. It does not make them truly one unless, of course, they both say this same thing: Yahushua is Messiah and Yahushua is YAHWEH ELOHIM.

Praise YAH, O House of Israel.

Sincerely, Spying

**israelthebride** · 11-17-2002, 06:46 PM

The TWO BRANCHES were ONE and will be ONE.

SPYING,

YH’SHWH’s WORD/LAW is our food and bitter to our lives because of our sinful "wants".

Only HIS SPIRIT can LIVE HIS WORD/LAW.

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EZEK 2:9 And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein;

EZEK 2:10 And he spread it before me; and it was written within and without: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.

EZEK 3:1 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.

EZEK 3:2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.

EZEK 3:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.

EZEK 3:4 And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them.

EZEK 3:5 For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech and of an hard language, but to the house of Israel;

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REV 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.

REV 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

REV 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

REV 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

That is why YH'WH knows that HIS SPIRIT can LIVE HIS WORD and HE expects us to submit to HIS SPIRIT.

Then, and only then, do we become HIS PEOPLE, ISRAEL.
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The reason I believe the TWO to become ONE are EPHRAIM and JUDAH is of the consistency of YH'WH speaking of the TWO.

The only “branches” broken off the OLIVE TREE were The HOUSE of ISRAEL and The HOUSE of JUDAH.

The TWO Branches that used to be ONE. (JER 11:16-17)

The TWO Olive branches, the "ANNOINTED ONES", that stand before the LORD of the Earth. (ZECH 4:11-14, REV 11:4)

The TWO that will be ONE. (ROMANS 11:17-21,24)

The TWO WITNESSES are TWO "PEOPLES" (Two groups of people)
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ROM 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

ROM 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

ROM 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

ROM 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

ROM 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

ROM 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

ROM 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

ROM 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

ROM 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

ROM 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

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Let US not boast in our SALVATION.

The “mystery”:

Not until all the “ broken branches” are gathered (all the unbelievers that are to be SAVED),

will all of ISRAEL will be SAVED.

LOVE, RICOEL

WE are CREATED for YH'WH!

**israelthebride** · 11-17-2002, 06:50 PM

EZEKIEL 37: 15-28

The word, in HABAKUK 2:2, that is translated into “tablet” is the word translated, in EZEKIEL 37, into “stick of wood”. I don’t know why.

I read EZEKIEL 37 like this:

EZEKIEL 37:15-28

15 The WORD of YH’WH came to me: 16 "SON of MAN, take a tablet of wood and write on it, `Belonging to YEHUDAH and the ISRAELites associated with him.' Then take another tablet of wood, and write on it, `EPHRAIM's tablet, belonging to JOSEPH and all the HOUSE of ISRAEL associated with him.' 17 Join them together into one tablet so that they will become one in your hand.

18 "When your countrymen ask you, `Won't you tell us what you mean by this?' 19 say to them, `This is what YH’WH says: I am going to take the tablet of JOSEPH--which is in EPHRAIM's hand--and of the ISRAELite tribes associated with him, and join it to YEHUDAH's tablet, making them a single tablet of wood, and they will become ONE in MY HAND.' (Genesis to Revelation)

20 Hold before their eyes the tablets you have written on 21 and say to them, `This is what YH’WH says: I will take the ISRAELites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them ONE NATION in the land I gave them, on the mountains of ISRAEL. There will be ONE KING over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be MY PEOPLE, and I, YH’WH, will be their GOD.

EZE 37:24 " `MY SERVANT, David, will be KING over them, and they will all have ONE SHEPHERD. They will follow MY LAWs and be careful to keep MY DECREEs. 25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever, and David, MY SERVANT, will be their prince forever. 26 I will make a COVENANT of PEACE with them; it will be an everlasting COVENANT. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put MY HOUSE among them forever. 27 I will dwell in them; I will be their GOD, and they will be MY PEOPLE. 28 Then the nations will know that I, YH’WH, make ISRAEL HOLY, when I LIVE in them forever.' "

The TWO WITNESSES are two groups of people that will be ONE!!!!!!!

YEHUDAH (and the Tribes with) + EPHRAIM (and the Tribes with) = ISRAEL = YH’WH’s BODY = YH’WH’s TEMPLE

Stop looking for YH’WH’s Third TEMPLE.

YH’WH is establishing HIS TRUE TEMPLE ------- RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!

HIS BODY-------US!!!!!!!

WE are ONE!!!

LOVE,

RICOEL

WE are CREATED for YH'WH!

**Spying** · 11-18-2002, 02:10 PM

Grafted Branches!

Hi RICOEL,

There is whole lot in which we agree.

The root and highest of the branches of our tree is YAHWEH ELOHIM.

The trunk of the tree is the Fathers.

The branches are the tribes of Israel.

These branches form the House of Israel and the House of Judah.

From YAHUDAH comes a very special branch:

Isa 11:1
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: (KJV)

Jer 23:5-6
5 Behold, the days come, saith YAHWEH, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, YAHWEH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. (KJV)

This righteous Branch itself is cut off:

Dan 9:26
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:.......(KJV)

Isa 53:8
8 ..........for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. (KJV)

This cutting off is the Cross. All the branches of the tree were cut off through the Cross of Messiah:

Isa 9:14-15
14 Therefore YAHWEH will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.
15 The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. (KJV)

This cutting off through Messiah is the establishment of judgment in the earth:

John 12:31-32
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (KJV)

Thus, all Israel including Judah was cut off in the death of Messiah Yahushua. Now, all Israel can be grafted back into the vine or tree established by Messiah Yahushua through his resurrection. There now exists a new tree. The House of Judah can be grafted into this tree. So also can the House of Israel (the lost tribes scattered amongst the nations). This is the plain teaching of Paul in Romans.

What I have found in Messianic Judaism is the lack of recognition that they themselves were also broken off from the tree in the death of Messiah. They act and think as if Gentiles must be grafted into their Jewish tree while they themselves need not to be grafted. They are not the trunk of the tree. Messiah is the trunk. We are all branches that must be grafted into Messiah's tree. When all have been grafted in, both Jew and Gentile, then indeed all Israel is saved.

In the Apostolic Assembly, both the House of Israel (dispersed descendants of the lost tribes amongst the Nations, i.e.Gentiles) and the House of Judah (Jews) were grafted into Messiah. This tree corresponds to the first Temple, the first witness. Right now, Messiah is again grafting branches into his tree from both the House of Israel and the House of Judah. This tree corresponds to the second Temple. Both Temples are one as you do say, but we are separated by time and space. We, the second Temple, will give our testimony to this world in due time.

I like you am inclined to think of the two temples as the same woman. This woman has two eyes, two ears, two breasts, but one voice. So, she is one woman. When she is fully formed (all Israel), she will be presented to Messiah. I know nothing about a third temple.

Sincerely, Spying

**israelthebride** · 11-18-2002, 09:41 PM

WE are the Third TEMPLE

I LOVE YOU, SPYING.

WE, Completed ISRAEL, are the Third TEMPLE everyone is looking for.

YOU are YH'WH's SPIRIT.

RICOEL

WE are CREATED for YH'WH.

**Spying** · 11-27-2002, 10:09 AM

The Third Temple?

Hi RICOEL,

Happy Thanksgiving with all whom you love, my brother. Some day we may be keeping Thanksgiving together.

All who live have YAHWEH'S spirit. All who die apart from Messiah lose that spirit. Messiah died and gave up all the spirit, and all the spirit came back to him in the grave (Numbers 19:17)!

Messiah gives his spirit to those who obey him. We have received of his spirit so we must love one another. Thank you for loving me!

Sincerely, Spying

P.S. I think I understand what you are saying about the third Temple, and I agree!

Can you tell me more? Do you believe that the Ezekiel Temple is a description of this third Temple. Do you believe that a third physical Temple will be build by the Jews with the help of pseudo Christianity?

**Be still..I am** · 11-27-2002, 10:40 PM

I will not forget you

Beloved Spying and Israel,

You are both getting there. Spying I was so thankful to see that you are beginning to understand your immortality. Israel you are right WE are the third temple. Yes, we both, jews and followers of Jesus will be grafted into the tree of life. What is the "tree of life" you might ask. We have the tree of life, the tree of knowledge, how many other trees do we have?

And yes, as I pointed out to Thummim sometime ago, "...God would have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."

If God wills this, then will it be? What do you both think?

Everyone have a blessed thanksgiving,

Blessings,

Be still...i am

**Spying** · 11-29-2002, 10:37 AM

Some Are Forgotten!

Hi Be Still...I AM,

Thank you, I am very comfortable with the teaching of immortality in the flesh until the changing. I am less comfortable with the achieving of it.

All men already have been saved in this sense through the Cross of Yahushua. All of us have died in Messiah. Because all have died with Messiah, all will eventually live in Messiah:

2 Cor 5:14
14 For the love of Messiah constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: (KJV)

1 Cor 15:22-23
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Messiah shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Messiah the firstfruits; afterward they that are Messiah's at his coming. (KJV)

Because all eventually die in Adam, all who live have already been saved from death through death on the Cross. The mystery is this: Not all of us die in Adam. Some of us live until the changing:

1 Cor 15:51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.(KJV)

And this life which we find ourselves now living here in the flesh is not our own:

2 Cor 5:15-17
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Messiah after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Messiah, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (KJV)

Not all things have become new in me. As I have indicated to Beseder, I find myself repeatedly laying a foundation of repentance from dead works in my life. From one perspective, that is very good. It shows that I am alive in Messiah. And this indeed is a new thing in my life because prior to my conversion I had for the most part no concern for the dead works in my life. The dead or the unconverted have no concern about the works they are doing. Even so, I desire to move on to perfection instead of struggling with the same issues over and over again. So, I must overcome. The danger of not overcoming is that I may get weak and die (1 Corinthians 11:30) in order that my spirit may be saved (1 Corinthians 5:5).

So, to shorten my answer, I would say that ELOHIM'S will concerning salvation is being accomplished. At the very least, I can say this with complete assurance: All men are given at some point the opportunity for life. For the vast majority of mankind, this occurs after the general resurrection of mankind.

Thank you for not forgetting me!

Sincerely, Spying

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"I will not forget you."

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