Hello, and blessings to all..Succoth succoth succoth it is now time to show what was said to be shown
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from the sadducees thread:
They controlled political sanhedrin-court of law- which ruled Israel under much influence from Rome.
(more on this later)
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They didnt believe in the ressurection of the dead, immortality of the soul, or in the World to come, nor in spirits or angels.(more on this later)
now, remember the pharisees cared about the temple but they were designated to the synagogues- the sudducees were ABOUT the temple. hmmmmm...
Jesus taught where??? in the synagogues? hmmm, a thought- IF only pharisees taught in the temples, what was Jesus doing there?
Which group followed Judas that arrested Jesus ?? (remember, there was a High preists servant amoungst the TEMPLE guards.)
To whose House did they go for the jewish trial against Jesus?
hmmm, I believe it said Annas, High preists house of caiaphas, father-in-law of Caiaphas the high preist. Lets look at further descriptions... (Matt 26.57-67,Mark 14.53-65,Luke 15.66-71,John 18.12-14)
there were a FEW, i know for a fact from what it describes in the gospels, that there were only a handful of pharisees amoungst the council that night, this is why.
Many false witnesses spoke against him, but they all contradicted eachother.Finally, some men stood up to testify against him with this lie: "We heard him say, ' I will destroy this Temple made with human hands , and in three days I will build another, made without human hands'."
But even then they didnt get their stories straight. Then the High Priest stood up before the others and asked Jesus, "well, arent you going to answer these charges? What do you have to say for yourself? Jesus made no reply. Then the High Priest asked Him, " ARE YOU THE MESSIAH, THE SON OF THE BLESSED GD?"...
Then the High Priest tore His clothing to show his horror and said, "why do we need other witnesses? You have all heard this blasphemy. What is your verdict?" And they all condemned him to death.
Mark 14.56-61, 63-64
and Caiaphas was the one who had told the other Jewish leaders, "Better that one should die for all".
john18.14
ok, if there were pharisees in here, it looks as if they kept their mouths shut for one. Because i dont see any of pharisaiac talk in this sanhedrin. This talk is all sadducaiac. First the high preist asked him if he was who he was, then tore his clothes?? why??
Sadducees do not believe in Moshiach.
I see in todays Judaism that many jews do not believe in Moshiach( and these are "religious" jews), why and how?? they were infiltrated by the fallen house of the sadducees.
Another thing;
They drew their support mainly from the aristocratic classes. As they represented the nobility and wealth of the country, their intrests were cheifly political not religious and spiritual for the lives of the people.
lets look at how the city was built:
on the North and West side of the Temple is where these guys, the sadducees lived, with all of their riches and 'glory' with these rich fallen back jews. on the South and east side is where the poor people lived. When Jesus met many of the Pharisees he would have possibly been on the east side, possibly even closer to the temple for some pharisees, the closer to the temple the house was, the more money and status you had. The same was for the sadducees.
(not all the rich people were sadducees)
So tell me, any of you?? who crucified Jesus(ofcourse ALL of us had something to do with it)
The crucifiction took place where? in a Roman headquarter, obviously close to where Annas and Caiaphas stayed. So this was the rich neighborhood. The highpriest's house being of one of the greatest in status and many heathens living there aswell.
(The North side)
But who took him to pilate? who recieved the accusation of the temple destruction to have him sentenced?Who were close enough to the Romans to persuade Pilate to execute Jesus since their power to execute was taken away?
hmmmmm??
Sounds like the sadducees, who were afraid of the Romans.
The pharisees and zealots were not afraid of the Romans, the pharisees were ready to execute anyone at any given time, haha.
how?? Remember the woman caught in adultery? what kind of neighberhood was Jesus in? rich or poor, well with the woman, looks like poor to me, as you know the woman was a prostitute,
(prostitue= making money to live back then) Set up by, hmmm what kind of pharisee?
well you can choose out of the pharisee list given on the Pharisee thread.
Jesus was against the hypocrites, the house of Shammai(rabbinical judaism-talmud) it looks like to me.
So some money filled jews and saudducees sent Jesus to death and wished it upon their children. It was this political sanhedrin that sentenced Jesus to death on the POLITICAL charge of his alleged claim to be 'king of the Jews".THESE hellenists and materialists. Not the religious house of Hillel
After the temple was destroyed in 70AD there was a reform going on afterwards to reform judaism without a temple. The reform was this
Synoagogue is now temple
Rabbi is now preist
and a few more examples i dont care to put down
a pure shame.
The ULTra-orthodox and chassidim do not take part in this however, they continually look foward to the rebuilding of the temple, and are collecting gold and all the other items(stone, utencils) needed to build it. I actually forgot how many pounds of gold and silver they have, however it is ALOT!!!! and its all here in america, where I forgot- wasnt paying attention, hehe.
So WOE unto all jews that have strayed off their book! DOUBLE WOE unto all religious jews that think they know their belief when they follow only commentaries instead of their book! WOE unto these talmudists and commentators!
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from Interpretation:
If you would be so kind, I would like to know more about this Transcended Hillel?
Sincerely, Spying
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Hi Beseder,
Good evening to you! No apology necessary. I have heard of Hillel, but I know next to nothing about him. I assume that he is important so please teach me about him.
*********
But it was Hillel type Pharisaism that survived, and became the "judaism" of subsequent generations.
(more on this at a later date when things are shown from secret here)
Shalom
*************************
well, it looks like we know what happened to these subsequent generations of judaism. Hillel is not even their Rabbi, they seem to lean more toward "Hellen" than Hillel.
shammai. we see in talmud that hillel and shammai were at odds about something concerning law for 3 years. then a "heavenly voice form the sky spoke saying; 'you are both correct'."
hmm, it seems to me that some of shammi's student survived after the AD 70's destruction of the temple. and all these students did was begin to destroy innocent judaism from within.
Shammi=destroy! shammai's school was destroyed, but it looks like he is still destroying many lives in judaism.
"...Transcended Hillel"
allright its like this
Hillel spent time at the temple in Jerusalem..he was a teacher, and a pharisee, the teachers were pharisee's because they taught the people. and so every year Jesus' parents went to Jerusalem....When Jesus was 12 years old...they started home to Nazareth, but Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. ...He was in the Temple, sitting amoung the religious teachers, discussing deep questions with them. And all who heard were amazed at his understanding and his answers.
(luke 2)
"what wisdom he posseses")
hmm, it looks as if Hillel was amoung these teachers amazed by Jesus' understanding and the answers to the questions posed to him in the discussion.
and it only makes sence that Hillel was there, it was The Passover at that time and Hillel would have most obviously been there.
The strong man at the time was Hillel, but guess who transcended Hillel?
"...transcended hillel", fill in the elipses before transcended and you will find that it was Jesus.
I know thummim might have something to say about this... but i will stay on the topic of the strong man. but later
Many "religious" jews today do not believe in an after life, the world to come, Moshiach angels and spirits as our predecessors did. The Essenes, chassidim, Prushim, down to the Netsariim(yup the branches). Many "religious" jews today say that it's ok to be Homosexual. An outrite blasphemy against our GD and his law/Spirit. These people are not really jews, they are outside our camp, however, they "bare" the BY NAME.
I just pray that all of us begin to fear haShem so that none of us will be lost
shalom
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from the sadducees thread:
They controlled political sanhedrin-court of law- which ruled Israel under much influence from Rome.
****************
They didnt believe in the ressurection of the dead, immortality of the soul, or in the World to come, nor in spirits or angels.(more on this later)
now, remember the pharisees cared about the temple but they were designated to the synagogues- the sudducees were ABOUT the temple. hmmmmm...
Jesus taught where??? in the synagogues? hmmm, a thought- IF only pharisees taught in the temples, what was Jesus doing there?
Which group followed Judas that arrested Jesus ?? (remember, there was a High preists servant amoungst the TEMPLE guards.)
To whose House did they go for the jewish trial against Jesus?
hmmm, I believe it said Annas, High preists house of caiaphas, father-in-law of Caiaphas the high preist. Lets look at further descriptions... (Matt 26.57-67,Mark 14.53-65,Luke 15.66-71,John 18.12-14)
there were a FEW, i know for a fact from what it describes in the gospels, that there were only a handful of pharisees amoungst the council that night, this is why.
Many false witnesses spoke against him, but they all contradicted eachother.Finally, some men stood up to testify against him with this lie: "We heard him say, ' I will destroy this Temple made with human hands , and in three days I will build another, made without human hands'."
But even then they didnt get their stories straight. Then the High Priest stood up before the others and asked Jesus, "well, arent you going to answer these charges? What do you have to say for yourself? Jesus made no reply. Then the High Priest asked Him, " ARE YOU THE MESSIAH, THE SON OF THE BLESSED GD?"...
Then the High Priest tore His clothing to show his horror and said, "why do we need other witnesses? You have all heard this blasphemy. What is your verdict?" And they all condemned him to death.
Mark 14.56-61, 63-64
and Caiaphas was the one who had told the other Jewish leaders, "Better that one should die for all".
john18.14
ok, if there were pharisees in here, it looks as if they kept their mouths shut for one. Because i dont see any of pharisaiac talk in this sanhedrin. This talk is all sadducaiac. First the high preist asked him if he was who he was, then tore his clothes?? why??
Sadducees do not believe in Moshiach.
I see in todays Judaism that many jews do not believe in Moshiach( and these are "religious" jews), why and how?? they were infiltrated by the fallen house of the sadducees.
Another thing;
They drew their support mainly from the aristocratic classes. As they represented the nobility and wealth of the country, their intrests were cheifly political not religious and spiritual for the lives of the people.
lets look at how the city was built:
on the North and West side of the Temple is where these guys, the sadducees lived, with all of their riches and 'glory' with these rich fallen back jews. on the South and east side is where the poor people lived. When Jesus met many of the Pharisees he would have possibly been on the east side, possibly even closer to the temple for some pharisees, the closer to the temple the house was, the more money and status you had. The same was for the sadducees.
(not all the rich people were sadducees)
So tell me, any of you?? who crucified Jesus(ofcourse ALL of us had something to do with it)
The crucifiction took place where? in a Roman headquarter, obviously close to where Annas and Caiaphas stayed. So this was the rich neighborhood. The highpriest's house being of one of the greatest in status and many heathens living there aswell.
(The North side)
But who took him to pilate? who recieved the accusation of the temple destruction to have him sentenced?Who were close enough to the Romans to persuade Pilate to execute Jesus since their power to execute was taken away?
hmmmmm??
Sounds like the sadducees, who were afraid of the Romans.
The pharisees and zealots were not afraid of the Romans, the pharisees were ready to execute anyone at any given time, haha.
how?? Remember the woman caught in adultery? what kind of neighberhood was Jesus in? rich or poor, well with the woman, looks like poor to me, as you know the woman was a prostitute,
(prostitue= making money to live back then) Set up by, hmmm what kind of pharisee?
well you can choose out of the pharisee list given on the Pharisee thread.
Jesus was against the hypocrites, the house of Shammai(rabbinical judaism-talmud) it looks like to me.
So some money filled jews and saudducees sent Jesus to death and wished it upon their children. It was this political sanhedrin that sentenced Jesus to death on the POLITICAL charge of his alleged claim to be 'king of the Jews".THESE hellenists and materialists. Not the religious house of Hillel
After the temple was destroyed in 70AD there was a reform going on afterwards to reform judaism without a temple. The reform was this
Synoagogue is now temple
Rabbi is now preist
and a few more examples i dont care to put down
a pure shame.
The ULTra-orthodox and chassidim do not take part in this however, they continually look foward to the rebuilding of the temple, and are collecting gold and all the other items(stone, utencils) needed to build it. I actually forgot how many pounds of gold and silver they have, however it is ALOT!!!! and its all here in america, where I forgot- wasnt paying attention, hehe.
So WOE unto all jews that have strayed off their book! DOUBLE WOE unto all religious jews that think they know their belief when they follow only commentaries instead of their book! WOE unto these talmudists and commentators!
.................................................................................
from Interpretation:
If you would be so kind, I would like to know more about this Transcended Hillel?
Sincerely, Spying
**************
Hi Beseder,
Good evening to you! No apology necessary. I have heard of Hillel, but I know next to nothing about him. I assume that he is important so please teach me about him.
*********
But it was Hillel type Pharisaism that survived, and became the "judaism" of subsequent generations.
(more on this at a later date when things are shown from secret here)
Shalom
*************************
well, it looks like we know what happened to these subsequent generations of judaism. Hillel is not even their Rabbi, they seem to lean more toward "Hellen" than Hillel.
shammai. we see in talmud that hillel and shammai were at odds about something concerning law for 3 years. then a "heavenly voice form the sky spoke saying; 'you are both correct'."
hmm, it seems to me that some of shammi's student survived after the AD 70's destruction of the temple. and all these students did was begin to destroy innocent judaism from within.
Shammi=destroy! shammai's school was destroyed, but it looks like he is still destroying many lives in judaism.
"...Transcended Hillel"
allright its like this
Hillel spent time at the temple in Jerusalem..he was a teacher, and a pharisee, the teachers were pharisee's because they taught the people. and so every year Jesus' parents went to Jerusalem....When Jesus was 12 years old...they started home to Nazareth, but Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. ...He was in the Temple, sitting amoung the religious teachers, discussing deep questions with them. And all who heard were amazed at his understanding and his answers.
(luke 2)
"what wisdom he posseses")
hmm, it looks as if Hillel was amoung these teachers amazed by Jesus' understanding and the answers to the questions posed to him in the discussion.
and it only makes sence that Hillel was there, it was The Passover at that time and Hillel would have most obviously been there.
The strong man at the time was Hillel, but guess who transcended Hillel?
"...transcended hillel", fill in the elipses before transcended and you will find that it was Jesus.
I know thummim might have something to say about this... but i will stay on the topic of the strong man. but later
Many "religious" jews today do not believe in an after life, the world to come, Moshiach angels and spirits as our predecessors did. The Essenes, chassidim, Prushim, down to the Netsariim(yup the branches). Many "religious" jews today say that it's ok to be Homosexual. An outrite blasphemy against our GD and his law/Spirit. These people are not really jews, they are outside our camp, however, they "bare" the BY NAME.
I just pray that all of us begin to fear haShem so that none of us will be lost
shalom
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