Power?

[Spying]

Hi Everyone,

Religious belief has the capacity to be both a force for good and evil. None of us believe exactly the same, but most of us are inclined to think that we would die for what we believe. I know the most about a sect of Judaism called Christianity. She bravely went to her grave in the face of the most severe persecutions. Throughout the centuries atrocities have been committed in her name by pseudo Christianity. Through most of those centuries, the moon of Judaism has been waning up to and including the dark ages. Now, the moon of Judaism is again increasing. I can now see in her treatment of the Palestinians how pseudo Christianity learned to do what she does best.

Islam learned from both Judaism and pseudo Christianity. Of the three, which is the most powerful? Which has the greatest power and will to destroy?

On the sixth day, the beasts of the field are named by the second Adam. Through Messiah, we are that Adam.

As an American, I know that our nation must now deal with Islam. My instinct is to grind Islam into fine dust, and I would start doing this with Saudi Arabia and not Iraq. I am speaking here solely from a human point of view. History has demonstrated over and over that there is no freedom of religion within Judaism and especially within Islam, but is it really any different within pseudo Christianity?

They all three must be named and overcome! How is evil overcome?

Sincerely, Spying

[Thummim]

In the name of YHWH!

Spying writes;

Islam learned from both Judaism and pseudo Christianity. Of the three, which is the most powerful? Which has the greatest power and will to destroy?

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...No contest, christianity is the great killer among the three. The answer is found in history. Violence founded Islam, and it indeed has a bad history. But set on a scale against christianity, it is like an apple weighed against a brick. Plop! - down falls the christian nations on the scale. Christianity and Islam did meet on the battle field with Islam gaining the first victorys. But christianity recovered her strength to dominate the world of the three faiths. The nation"s" of Israel has really been the nation of YaHudaH all by itself in this world, with christianity as its worst accuser and greatest enemy. The christian nations are the most bloodthirsty nations in the world and even now, they are contemplating the spilling of more blood. Islam doesn't have a chance in this battle. With Islam trying to steal Monotheism from the JEWish people, and its founder being stupid enough to rob a people and a GD whose name he didn't know, he has left his people openly cursing the name of that GD. Shouldn't all Islam learn the name of the GD that they curse? And the name of the GD of Moses is YHWH! Hey Islam, guess where these letters come from?

...And the name of YHWH awaits to set judgement in the earth. What becomes of the people that curse the name of GD openly? So Islam will learn the name of YaHudaH, and christianity will learn the name of YaHudah. It seems to me that all the enemies of this name are to be meat for the birds to pick at. And the gates of heaven, who do you think owns them? The victory is promised to this name. How can the name of the most high be displaced? What is YHWH's name forever, unto all generations? What you haven't imagioned Spying, is the power that has been saved up in the name of YHWH. Is the ground under your feet, becoming shaky?


1 Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence,

2 As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence!

3 When thou didst terrible things which we looked not for, thou camest down, the mountains flowed down at thy presence.

4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him. Isa. 64: 1 - 4

...It's time that the world learns the name of the GD of the JEWish people.

10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of Y.-.H.-.W.-.H; and they shall be afraid of thee. Deut. 28: 10

--> {Afraid because of this name, a letter for letter match with the name of YaHudaH, omiting the fourth letter (*perhaps to circumcise the name?*)} Deut. 28: 10

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10 All nations compassed me about: but in the name of YHWH will I destroy them.

11 They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of YHWH I will destroy them.

12 They compassed me about like bees; they are quenched as the fire of thorns: for in the name of YHWH I will destroy them.

13 Thou hast thrust sore at me that I might fall: but YHWH helped me.

14 YHWH is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.

15 The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of YHWH doeth valiantly.

16 The right hand of YHWH is exalted: the right hand of YHWH doeth valiantly. Ps. 118: 10 - 16

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...The truth about this name is going to make the hairs on the head of the Roman church stand strait up, and many faces wax pale. Spying, can you except that a name can fight for a people and declare their righteousness? Baruch Hashem!

....Michael

[Spying]

My Name's Sake!

Hi Thummim,

Evil is evil. I see no difference between the three. Christianity was founded when great violence was done to an innocent man. Great violence continued against Christianity until she was no more. Martyred Christianity was innocent. The YAHUDIM who sought her destruction were not.

Pseudo Christianity arose from that destruction. She is a carbon copy of Judaism. Ritualism is their common worship. Both are rife with hypocrisy. They are both whitewashed tombs. This hypocrisy gave rise to Islam who could easily see the infidelity of both Christianity and Judaism. Islam laid claim to the higher road, but after centuries of practice is she any less evil? Is Islam faithful to the good?

I would have you to consider this blessing:

Gen 49:22-26
22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty ELOHIM of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel)
25 Even by the ELOHIM of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren. (KJV)

And, perhaps, reflect on these words:

Deut 33:13-17
13 And of Joseph he said, Blessed of YAHWEH be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,
14 And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,
15 And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills,
16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.
17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh. (KJV)

Look around you! Out of all the peoples of the earth which nations do now possess these physical blessings? ELOHIM is true to HIS word; otherwise, why would ELOHIM move our fathers to raise Joseph above his brethren in such a fashion.

The Gathering of the lost tribes has occurred through the work of the British peoples, and the Gathering has been (I am speaking here in a physical sense only. You know that with me there also exists a spiritual gathering which is reflected by the physical), not to Palestine, but to this country, the United States of America.

The State of Israel exists today because of the strength given to this nation by YAHWEH ELOHIM. The JEWS have power today in Palestine because we, their brothers and sisters, protect and nourish them.

In your thinking about the NAME, you would be quite foolish to discount the blessings of all the tribes because they are all a part of that NAME (1 Samuel 12:22).

I am a son of Joseph. The sons of Joseph have been gathered to this nation from all over the world. I cannot prove my heritage, but look around you, does ELOHIM bless all the nations with the ability to push. Judah cannot push Joseph, but Joseph can push Judah.

Judah did not give birth to the United States, but Great Britain and the United States did give birth to the State of Israel. So, yes, I can accept that the NAME is now fighting for the Jewish people, but does this grace make the Jewish people righteous?

Sincerely, Spying

[beseder]

Islam and YHWH

Hey, something i just came across
I think in Qur'aan it posses some insight into our EL

In the beginning of almost every Surah in Qur'aan
it begins by saying
In the name of allah the beneficient the merciful

Im not sure which one of these words is which in the arabic, however there is a pronouinciation in there that is somewhat compelling
this word in the arabic is "hoowah" as in YHoowah... strange, i find it..
I wonder if it meant the "existing" or "eternal" in old arabic, knowing how the languages change in meaning after a little while.
hmmm. a thinker

and the power one??
at this moment, there is a struggle for power with Judaism and Islam, this christianity is laying back for the moment, sitting in the UN
I believe this last power will be with Pseudo-Christianity and Islam combined.
I dont know how though. But i believe that Islams prophet was a false one with whose prophecies will come true.
Their Imam Mahdi is the Anti-Christ(FROM MY CONCLUSION), he comes before El-Masih(ha Moshiach) and Imam Mahdi gets all the arab nations to be one and to fight against the Jews and to show the world the "decption" that the Jews had placed before the world so that the world can come against them.

The arabs and moslems are in danger of believing in the anti-christ and recieving his mark.

Islam says that the Anti-christ will come after El-Masih(hamoshiach)
from my conclusion it looks like these people will call the Messiah the anti-christ or a false prophet.
This is the religion of the anti-christ, the test, a division of psedo christianity and sect of Judaism.

[beseder]

GEN 49:23

"The archers"(ishmaelites=arabs)
"have sorely grieved him."
They have a hard-striken heart that envies us. They passion to have us under their rule and authority.

"and shot at him and hated him"
we know how they try to shoot at us.
We can see that they hate the US(not all of them ofcourse) , the place where the GREATEST population of Jews exist, not european Jews combined with Israels jews can come close to the US's amount.

[Thummim]

Walking in the name of YHWH, and being his inheritance.

Spying writes;

Evil is evil. I see no difference between the three.

...But Israel is YHWH's inheritance.


25 Whom YHWH of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance. Isa. 19: 25


6 I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke. Isa. 47: 6

...Why rob YHWH?

20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity {of my people} are cut off:

21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.

22 Therefore thus saith YHWH, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale. Isa. 29: 20 - 22

...There is no redemption for either Islam or christianity in the tanakh. YHWH redeems his own people. {Isa. 44: 22, 23} If only you could understand, it is only those who curse his own people that YHWH curses. The world is relatively free to walk down its own path.

5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of YHWH our God for ever and ever. Micah 4: 5

...The Moslems can walk in the name of allah, the christians in the name of "Jesus", but we will walk in the name of YHWH our Eloheem forever! Also note, that YaHudaH is Joseph and all the other tribes. How else does YaHudaH give birth as does YHWH? {see Isa. 46: 3, 4 and Isa. 48: 1} In 26 verses of text, does the author forget what he has written concerning who gives birth to Israel? So the blessing of Joseph belongs to YaHudah. {as does all others}

...Tieing YaHudahs colt to the vine of Joseph, is saying that there will no more be two houses of Israel. YaHudaH still reigns. It's good being the king!

21 And say unto them, Thus saith Adonai Elohenu; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: Eze. 37: 21, 22

Spying writes;

yes, I can accept that the NAME is now fighting for the Jewish people, but does this grace make the Jewish people righteous?


...YHWH makes his people righteous. Again and again, YHWH is the righteousness of his people. Such is the power of his name.


17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of YHWH, and their righteousness is of me, saith YHWH.


....Michael

[Spying]

JUDAH IS NOT JACOB!

Hi Thummim,

Israel is all the tribes. Israel is not just Judah, and quit speaking as if it is so. Jacob includes all of us.

You do not believe in the salvation of all Israel. You look for the salvation of a few Jews in this hour, and you imagine that this is the salvation of all Israel. So what if YAH saves the Jews today! They will all die tomorrow, and then YAH will have to save their sons and daughters all over again. They also will die, and on, and on, and on.

How does the saving of a few Jews in successive generations save all Israel? How does saving a few Jews that have no capacity to save themselves help to save all Israel? Even if JUDAH could give birth to Israel, both will still die and have need of Salvation! Have you no mercy for the generations of our fathers who lived and died as exiles away from the Land of Israel for well over two thousand years? There are millions of our deceased fathers and mothers who need salvation. For that matter, there are millions of deceased Jews who need salvation! How does saving a few Jews today save them? Indeed, what do you say to the Jews who die today on the eve of their calculated Atonement? Have they no need of Salvation? What do you say to them, Thummim? I know what my ADONAI will say. HE WILL SAY, ARISE!

I know that you have feelings for all the seed of Abraham who have lost their way! Why is it that you cannot see and understand, that there is no salvation worthy of the NAME that does not include all of us, and make all Israel or Jacob righteous, both the living and the dead?

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

All For One, And One For All!

Hi Beseder,

One reason that I like both you and Thummim so much is your mutual capacity to think outside of the box.

You do reason that the false one will bring Islam and pseudo Christianity together against the Jews. How about the possibility that the false one will bring all three together in an alliance?

The pseudo Christians are looking for the return of Yahushua!

Islam is looking for the Mahdi!

The Jews are looking for a Messiah King!

Is it possible that one individual could fill the shoes of all three? If not, why not?

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

Archers?

Hi Beseder,

You made me curious about the archers so I looked up the Hebrew. The word is baals.

In exile, Joseph has been subject to many lords, and indeed Joseph has served many baals, but we are again learning to defeat and reject them, and we have learned to again serve ADONAI, our KING.

Please explain your reasoning that archers refer to the descendants of Ishmael?

Sincerely, Spying

[beseder]

bereshis 49.23

"Va Y'moraruhoo vorohboo
va yisht'muhoo Ba'aley chitsim"

"He has been attacked by archers,
who shot at him and harassed him" (NLT)

"Archers bitterly assailed him;
They shot at him and harried him."(jps)

The word combined with ba'aley(ba'al) is chistim(chetz)
this combination makes the word ba'al, not lord, however an archer, in the context of the sentence an archer or cheif archer that is "furious"-[all in the meaning of combining words]
So the cheiftan archers assailed him and shot with fury against him.

in the histroy of arabs when they were dessert dwellers they were known as those that carried the bow, kind of like a dessert indian of the Mid-East. They were archers.
and his hand is against everyone.

[israelthebride]

WE are YHWH's TEMPLE

Please listen:

The abomination is allah's temple on the ROCK.

allah will demand that we worship him.

allah is not YHWH!!!

LOVE,

RICOEL

[Thummim]

allah is not YHWH!

...Ricoel, I agree completely that allah is not YHWH. The name of YHWH makes it clear. But christianity has been the real dirty deed doer. It sure hasn't helped the cause of Yahudah. It took the lives of six and a half million JEWs to partition the land of Israel, but Islam thought that this was not enough and set out to kill even more JEWs. Out numbered ten to one, it took even more JEWish blood to win a homeland for the JEWish people.

....Michael

[Antotiyah]

I thought this was on POWER

Who brought up that Allah is YHWH???
as in the allah of Islam IS infact our YHWH?
well, you two have your own convictions, but knowing a little bit of aramaic, the language that MOTHERED my language and arabic, the way the aramaic(ashuri) says EL, is EEL, and Alahah.
So dont pounce on someone because of the way they pronounce EL in their language.
Allah in arabic means "the DIETY" in its exactness, and not many arabs know that.
it comes from the arabic eL(the) eellah(diety) so they combined it into one and came up with Allah.
Im not saying that this allah from the qur'an is YHWH...but you people focus on such minimal things that does not inflict damage to our cause in Moshiach.
Get it staight Rico'el
I thought you were about the greater truth, not this human crap that will pass away.
MTZVA
Indeed, if i am wrong about the way i view you rico'el correct me. stand for your cause in posting suxh a thing. But if i am correct, then I stand with what i said

[Thummim]

Obey allah, or else obey YHWH?

...AntotiYah, is the koran the book of allah and does it express his will? Be careful, or you will divide YHWH against himself. The koran says some vulgar things about the JEWish people that YHWH wouldn't say. It also has a few bad things to say about christians. Now if the koran is not the book of allah, then we have to ask ourselves, "where does allah's will come from", in inspiring the faith of Islam? If it comes from the tanakh, then all Islam is a heathen faith to YHWH. Can you understand what I'm getting at? {who are the true heathens?} Dare we divide YHWH against himself? Because a people call their god the supreme diety, {there is no El but El and Mohammed is his prophet} doesn't make it so for us. Why would you think that seeking the answer to "who is YHWH" would be unimportant? YHWH doesn't want to be confused with baal or any other god of any other diety. Would he want to be confused with allah? {no matter what the name means} His extreme jealousy should convince you. I not only have to ask if allah is GD, but also if jesus is GD. Neither of these faiths do anything for the JEWish people or the name of YHWH. Though YHWH is called the GD of the whole earth, it doesn't make him any other Eloheem. Is YHWH even {gawd}?

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11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.

12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:

13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for YHWH, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods. Ex. 34: 11 - 16

....Michael

[Antotiyah]

PLease thummim, dont get it mixed

I never said that the qur'an is from Allah
it is not! i know it is not!
But i do believe that Hashem uses whomever he wishes, just as he used the false prophet balaam, he used the false prophet muhammad to direct the people at least through that one thing, "huwah" that HE alone is GD and He is the GD of us jews and all that will submit to him and not war against his people.

No Qur'an is not from GD, but GD can still use it to direct people to him as he has done with many former moslems.

Allah is only EL in the language of arabic, not the language of moslem/islam, islam is not a language.
Us jews used to speak both aramaic and hebrew, so should we say that the language is Jewish(both of them?) Jewish is not a language so how can we impound the same thing on the language of arabic, and how ARABIC, not islam has a word in its language transliterated ALLAH in english that means EL(GD)?

the word, ALLAH, pre-dates Islam. So the word is not Islam's, so why cause division over a language- i see the division CLEARLY over beliefs.
There is an allah(gd) of Islam, and there is an ALLAH(EL-GD) that rules the universe and all that is in the universe and in heaven. Who made a people out of the seed of Avraham and called them his own. there are many GD's, but the gd(allah) of Islam is not that GD(ALLAH), the one who rules all.
its either the allah of islam, or the ALLAH of the hebrew faith.
I choose the ALLAH of the Hebrew faith , whose name is YHWH, EHYH, YHshW_H. the name of the allah of islam is allah, kinda wack if you ask me, a god whose name is god- he has no name- it is either this, they are the descendants of ishamel and will stay that way and not know EL personally, or they totally have a foreign el. and that el(allah) is not ours thummim.
Can you see where im getting at?
INDEED, ADONI is not baal(just some superior- or master) no, he is ADONI(l-rd, L-rd, L-RD) Adoneinu, YHWH Eloheinu, Melech Moshiach Rebbeinu. At least we know our EL personally- we are no longer just servants as these moslems see themselves as(just servants), however, we KNOW that we are friends of EL haAV(unlike our moslem mamzerim- no offence to them)
I know how they have spoken about our people, i hang around the many everyday at school and i know how some of them hate me just because of the sole fact that I am jew. They know what i believe, however, they hate me because I am jew, and they believe that i am there to brain wash them.

And because of the influence of Islam many non-moslem arabs feel the same hate toward Jews. And outside of the influence of islam to non-moslem arabs they just have a pride of their arabicy. Hey their hand is against every one. and every one's hand is against them.
But dont blame the language arabic(as a language) because of a religion that was full of people that had arabic(as a people) pride

MTZVA

Move passed language barriers and peoples, and skin, and culture. It is all on believe, getting people down to torah and LOVING Hashem. If people have this these arabs will know that THE ALLAH is YHWH, and americans will know that THE GD is YHWH, and spaniards and hispanics will know that EL(the) DIOS is YHWH. how many arab speaking jews say ALLAH, MANY!, how many SPanish speaking JEWS say DIOS, MANY! please get passed that, this is a worthless discussion to let keep going. It should end here.

Thank you for the scriptures however