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**Thummim** · 09-13-2002, 10:16 AM

Which faith has shed the most JEWish blood?

...Ricoel, if given the choice to be guilty of my own sin, or the sin of "Jesus", I would choose to bear my own sin. I am more righteous than "Jesus", though I am not very righteous in my own eyes. I would suffer from such great shame to awake and find that I had created the torment of my own people through what christianity is. And further, to have built upon my own name, and not the name of YHWH, a name to protect the JEWish people, would make me gulity of the slaughter of innocents. How I would hate my own soul! Why is it that you think "Jesus" would be happy with himself, if he were really a righteous person, seeing the fate of his own people? I, being he, would curse my very soul over what christianity has done to the JEWish people through the defiling of the name of YHWH. I can love a christian, but not christianity in any of its many forms.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 09-13-2002, 01:31 PM

Remember

MICHAEL,
You speak of what you see, but BLESS those who do not see and believe.

The jews (along with Benjamin) sold out 10 tribes to the "unbelievers". These 10 Tribes were spread out all over the "discovered" world at the time. The 10 Tribes were torn apart from each other; families were torn apart and scattered all over the world.

These people have forgotten who they are and where they belong. You, who are a jew, should be looking for these people and, believe me, it is not going to be a little tribe in Africa.

Just imagine 144,000 generations from the time of ABRAHAM. Multiply that times whatever number you want and you will not get a small number.

GOD has come to join HIS PEOPLE. GOD has come to make HIS PEOPLE ONE with HIM.

If it is not GOD's working it will fade away and fall through to nothing. If it is from YH'SHWH, it will happen.

WE will BE ONE!!!!!!!

I AM not speaking for christians, I AM speaking for the BELIEVERS of YH'SHWH, our SAVIOR, who submit to HIS HOLY SPIRIT and HIS WORD/LAW.

There is neither jew nor christian nor American nor Canadian nor muslim nor hindu nor ... in this group,
only YH'SHWH's PEOPLE ------- ISRAEL!!!!!!!

MICHAEL, WE are not capable of loving each other.
I AM capable of submitting to YH'SHWH
and letting HIM LOVE YOU through ME.

Accept YHWH's, as YOU call HIM, SPIRIT. Allow HIM to LIVE in HIS BODY as HE should.

WE are the THIRD TEMPLE.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Thummim** · 09-15-2002, 10:16 AM

We are Israel!

Ricoel writes;

The jews (along with Benjamin) sold out 10 tribes to the "unbelievers". These 10 Tribes were spread out all over the "discovered" world at the time. The 10 Tribes were torn apart from each other; families were torn apart and scattered all over the world.

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...Ricoel, how did we sell out the {10?} tribes of Israel? I seem to recall that it was YHWH who sold them out, and placed them into the hands of the Assyrians. When YHWH pardoned all Israel, he also pardoned these. It is all Israel that is called back to the land of Israel to possess it, by YHWH. He didn't play favorites. Those who rebuilt Jerusalem considered themselves to be Israel and offered all the appropriate offerings for the whole house of Israel. {read ezra's third chapter}

70 So the priests, and the Levites, and some of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, dwelt in their cities, and all Israel in their cities. Ezra 2: 70

59 And these were they which went up from Tel-melah, Tel-harsa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: but they could not shew their father's house, and their seed, whether they were of Israel: Ezra 2: 59

...What could the house of YaHudah have done differently for the seed of Israel, that chose other gods to worship, and were swallowed up by their world? The faithful are the ones who end up in Jerusalem. The word goes out to repossess the land of Israel, and all Israel is called. Bloodlines are seldom kept more than a few generations. We JEWs sold nobody out, it was us who were sold out by those who gravitated to the new faith of christianity. If you believe that "Jesus" is the only path to YHWH for a JEW to follow, it is you who have sold out the JEWish people. Most of us would not bow.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Jn. 15: 6

...and so christianity did. But this they also did to the name of YHWH!

Isa. 48: 1

1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah ...

...I ask you, don't these words strongly suggest that it is these JEWs, who rebuild the second temple, who will give birth to Israel? Your "Jesus" is not a deliverer of JEWs. He is what he has done to the JEWish people through christianity. That makes him a butcher. As I have said, I wouldn't trade my sins for his. Shame is what he deserves, and I couldn't handle it. My worse nightmare would be waking up in the night in a deep sweat and remembering his life as though I had lived it. I would cry out to YHWH for my own annihilation. The shame of giving birth to christianity, would be more than I could take.

...Your mangod is your idol to bow to when you hear the sound. But for me, my knees are staying rigid. I hope that the name of YHWH can escape the ovens of christianities creation. The thing that blinds you, is your faith that YHWH has cursed the world and that "Jesus" is the only doorway out of his wrath. But his wrath has everything to do with the treatment of his people.

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. Joel 3: 2

...I can love christians, but I hate christianity and it multitude of its lies, which can be easily discovered with a little bit of research.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 09-22-2002, 11:16 PM

Cop Out!!!

By what you say,
YHWH used JUDAH and BENJAMIN, in the country of JUDAH, to sell out the 10 TRIBES of the country of ISRAEL to the assyrians.

Well, guess who was in charge when the jews were mistreated by the people who called themselves christians. YHWH.

YHWH is always in charge.

Neither jew nor christian are ISRAEL.

YHWH's PEOPLE, ISRAEL, are those who submit to HIS SPIRIT, who naturally submits to YHWH's WORD, and LIVE and FOLLOW YHWH's WAYs.
No blood or race is worthy of HIS HOUSE except those under HIS BLOOD and HIS COVERING.

I AM ISRAEL, YHWH's PEOPLE,
I AM not a christian or a jew or an american or an earth person or etc...

LOVE,

RICOEL

**Be still..I am** · 09-23-2002, 12:04 AM

Bondage

Dear Ricoel,

Thank you for your writing this morning. Often times God comes through loud and clear in the wee hours of the morn.

You are correct, we are neither jew, gentile, christian, muslems, etc. It is what we know-what we believe through faith.

Thummim wants to be miserable, bring us all down to doubt, Spying wants to antagonize (sp) to make us doubt what we know is true in our hearts. Just because they might have superior earthly knowledge does not mean they are correct, as God-Yhwh will truly lead them to the truth and knowledge of His being and existence.

Thank you for stating,"YHWH is always in charge".

Blessings and the joy of the Feast be with you,

Be still...i am

**Thummim** · 09-23-2002, 10:27 AM

The lips of a fool shall swallow up himself. Eccl. 10: 12

...Ricoel, so every bad thing that has happened to you, or to a loved one of yours, happened in the will of YHWH? When something bad happens to someone good, you think it is because YHWH wills it to be so? What would that make YHWH?

...I thought that is why christians believed in satan, so they can blame him for the evil, instead of GD.

...Ricoel, you can't win for winning or loosing. Kick-um when there up, kick-um when there down. What happened to the idea that a kingdom divided against itself, can not stand?

israelthebride writes;

YHWH used JUDAH and BENJAMIN, in the country of JUDAH, to sell out the 10 TRIBES of the country of ISRAEL to the assyrians.

...How? as I read, it was Samaria {the fabled 10 tribes} that were making war upon Judah. Because Pekah {Israel} had become confederate with Rezin {Damascus} and was now much stronger than was Judah, Ahaz was in a bind. Ahaz was about to loose the kingdom of Judah to Pekah. Isaiah came to Ahaz and told him to ask for a sign that YHWH was on the side of Judah. Ahaz refused. Isaiah gave him one anyhow. Using his own child, soon to be born as a reference, {Isa. 8: 18} he said that before the child knew the difference between right or wrong, the two kings that he dreaded {Pekah and Rezin} would be no more. The Assyrians would come and shave their heads. {an Assyrian custom performed upon the leaders of their enemies} Judah was at war with Israel, but it is not because Judah wanted it that way. Israel had nothing that Judah wanted. Judah yet had 150 years to exist after Pekah and what was left of Israel was taken captive by the Assyrians. If I were to tell you that America would fall in 150 years, you probably would think that we didn't need to raise an army now or prepare in any way for war. 150 years is a long time to anybody but YHWH. "God is with us" was Isaiah's message to Ahaz.

Be still...I am,

...Knowledge greatly improves ones chance of being right. It's a lack of knowledge that catches the fool. Why would I want to be miserable? Persuing knowledge is not a curse. But refusing it, is. All things should be tested, and every pillar investigated for its strength. How do you know that YHWH is always in charge? It could be that outside of YHWH's name, his strength is contained. His name, as light, {Isa. 50: 10} being lost would leave us in a grossly darkened world. {Isa. 60: 2}

13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness. Eccl. 2: 13

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 09-23-2002, 11:36 PM

YHWH is in FULL CONTROL!!!

MICHAEL,
When I made the statement that YHWH is the ONE who DISCIPLINES, I was correct.

My statements (in the post that you are referring to) were being satirical of yours:
"...Ricoel, how did we sell out the {10?} tribes of Israel? I seem to recall that it was YHWH who sold them out, and placed them into the hands of the Assyrians. When YHWH pardoned all Israel, he also pardoned these. It is all Israel that is called back to the land of Israel to possess it, by YHWH. He didn't play favorites. Those who rebuilt Jerusalem considered themselves to be Israel and offered all the appropriate offerings for the whole house of Israel. {read ezra's third chapter}"

To me you were copping out; not admitting that it was the jews that sold out the country of ISRAEL (now the lost 10 Tribes) to the assyrians.

Your statement is false:
"Those who rebuilt Jerusalem considered themselves to be Israel"

They never considered themselves to be all of ISRAEL. In EZRA the people are distinguished as JUDAH and BENJAMIN.

MICHAEL,
The LOST 10, the sold out ONEs/the ONEs who have forgotten who they are, are holding on to a JUDAHITE.
Our MESSIAH YH'SHWH.

ZECH 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of HIM that is a Jew, saying, We will go with YOU: for we have heard that GOD is with YOU.

But, again, not all who call themselves jews are TRUE jews and
not all who call themselves christians are TRUE christians.

The SUBMITTED ONEs are TRULY ISRAEL, YHWH's PEOPLE.

LOVE,

RICOEL

**israelthebride** · 09-23-2002, 11:45 PM

BE Still..I AM

I appreciate your submission to HOLY SPIRIT.

It is wise to listen and know
than to know and not listen.

Your post name always reminds me of PSALMS 91.

STAY HOLY SPIRIT.

I LOVE YOU.

RICOEL

**Thummim** · 09-24-2002, 11:42 AM

Israel?

Ricoel,

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21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.

22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

23 Sing, O ye heavens; for YHWH hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for YHWH hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.

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1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of YHWH, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.

2 For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; YHWH of hosts is his name. Isa. 48: 1, 2

...Who gives birth to Israel?

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...Jacob is redeemed, he is called by the name of Israel though it is YaHudaH that has birthed Israel. This is the seed upon which Israel is built. It is Israel that is saved with an everlasting salvation, in the 17th verse of Isa. 45. This is in the same paragraph as that in which Cyrus is mentioned. Israel leaves the captivity of Babylon. All the seed of Israel is now righteous, YHWH having declared themselves so. But it is only a remnant that returns to Israel from Babylon. How are you so sure that YaHudaH and Benjamin are not the seed of Israel? Arent these named so for the locations that they come from? Intermariage and the word of YHWH makes them the seed of Israel. Neither can you say that Israel did not come from rthe lands to which they were scattered to reinhabit the lands of their forefathers. Sameria was again occupied, though we cannot tell exactly what their connection to Israel was.

...Isaiah's 49th chapter shows Israel, though ungathered, being gathered to occupy the desolate lands of Israel {Isa. 49: 8} Israel was not desolate in the time of "Jesus". Sameria is occupied. In the 500 years that followed Cyrus, the lands inherited many peoples.

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19 For thy waste and thy desolate places, {which exist in the time of Cyrus} and the land of thy destruction, shall even now be too narrow by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up shall be far away.

20 The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell.

21 Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?

22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. {Israel is regathered?}

23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am YHWH: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

24 Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?

25 But thus saith YHWH, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.

26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I YHWH am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. Isa. 49: 19 - 26

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...I really believe that Israel was regathered with many others among them, and filled the lands of Sameria and the environs of YaHudaH and Benjamen. If we can use the NT as a reference, the lands of Israel are not desolate any more. They are filled with people. YHWH says that these people are Israel. {Who else did he gather to fill the desolate lands of Israel?}

...What does "restore the preserved of Israel" mean to you? {Isa. 49: 6}

Ricoel writes;

To me you were copping out; not admitting that it was the jews that sold out the country of ISRAEL (now the lost 10 Tribes) to the assyrians.

...Is this still satire?

...I'm sorry that I did not recognize your satire. But Israel was gathered according to the texts. {they were also forgiven their transgressions and pronounced "redeemed"}

20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto YHWH out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith YHWH, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of YHWH. Isa. 66: 20

...From all nations to Jerusalem? Wouldn't that also fit what is said in Isa. 48: 1, that Jerusalem {YaHudaH} is the place that is to birth the nations of Israel?

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 09-28-2002, 11:03 PM

I agree with YHWH's WORD

MICHAEL, my FRIEND,
I agree with every verse you quote, but I disagree that these verses are just speaking of jews.

jews want FOLLOWERS to convert to jahudahism and christians want them to convert to what they call christianity.

We all must submit to YHWH's SPIRIT, who naturally FOLLOWS YHWH's WORD (Genesis to Revelation).

Again I say,
"I AM ISRAEL, YHWH's PEOPLE,
I AM not a christian or a jew or an american or an earth person or etc... "

It is pride that keeps jews jews and christians christians.

Both bear the NAME of YHWH.
YHWH and MESSIAH--ONE and the SAME!!!

pride is keeping both BROTHERS from being ONE;
ONE with YHWH.

LOVE,

RICOEL

**Thummim** · 09-29-2002, 11:04 AM

By these hands {Yahudah}, penned and signed. How much did the tribes of Israel write?

...When I make the tanakh JEWish through the name of YHWH, you feel what JEWs have felt at the hands of christianities faith, concerning themselves, ...disclusion. The name of YHWH is chosen for this purpose. It leads the greatest hope that the JEWish people have in finding justice. The owners name is very powerful.

...Ricoel, there are only two faiths that the enemies of the JEWish people come from. They are christianity and Islam. I will concede again that there are friends of the name of Yahudah, among these two faiths. But it is in these two faiths, that my enemies hide. In nazi Germany there were few christians willing to help the JEWish people. Most just watched and shouted horray {if not but for their own fear at what was happening}. But there were a few good christians whose names are saved by the JEWish people. Now you might be one of those who would have stood up for JEWish lives.

...If you learn that the name of the JEWish GD is derived from the name of their own soul, doesn't that call ones conscience to think about ones own faith? Have you crossed out the anti-semetic lines of text from the NT yet. {the lines that specifically target JEWs} If you have, you probably would have helped the JEWish people. Do you still believe that JEWs who do not believe in a man {"Jesus"} who leads a curse against them and have died without knowing "Jesus", is saved? Do you really believe in the damnation of the name of Yahudah? {seen in how few JEWs are saved by the words of the NT} Many christians do. But Yahudah {the name of these letters, "YHWH"} is the name of GD, and not "Jesus". Can YHWH turn against his own name, to seek its distruction? When the JEWish people were persecuted amongst the christian multititudes in Europe, YHWH was there among them. You read it a little differently in the NT. "Jesus" says, "what is done to my people, is done to me" {paraphrased} Then "Jesus" is JEWish and a victim whenever the name of Yahudah is targeted. Can you even believe in the righteousness of the JEWish people? If you had to prove the JEWish people righteous to gain your own salvation from a JEWish GD using the tanakh, wouldn't you read it differently?

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 09-29-2002, 01:33 PM

Do Not Separate

MICHAEL,

I disagree that islam is of YHWH. allah will try to force the world to worship it. allah is not YHWH. The abomination is allah's temple on the ROCK. WE, YHWH's BODY, are HIS TEMPLE.

The separation of YHWH's FOLLOWERS is making it easy for allah to move in, more and more into this world, and adjust it's ways.
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jews / christians please listen!

There is only ONE BODY. There is no rapture of the "church". There is no leaving any part of YHWH's BODY behind.

HIS ONE BODY will be with HIM when the time comes for HIS return. Stop separating YHWH's WORD and HIS PROPHETS.

YHWH, as MESSIAH, spoke of HIS WORD and how HE was not here to destroy it. The whole New COVENANT are letters directing US to HIS WORD.

Over and over the letters of the New COVENANT speak of YHWH's WORD and of the writings of the PROPHETS. These letters never direct people to them, but to YHWH's WORD and the PROPHETS.

christians, ABBA has accepted US back HOME and given US shoes and HIS RING. The SACRIFICE (the fatted calf) has been slaughtered. Now, our BROTHER is having a hard time accepting US back. WE, in YHWH's LOVE, must show our BROTHER that WE are TRULY HIS BROTHER, not his enemy.

jews, ABBA has taken the lost back. YHWH is now asking you to accept HIS PLAN. ALL ONE or no ONE. Read HIS WORD and learn that HE longs to LIVE in US. HE will LIVE in a broken HEART.
IMMANUEL-------ABBA in US.

WE are not jews. WE are not christians.
WE are ONE with YHWH.
WE are HIS BODY.
WE are indwelled with HIS SPIRIT.
WE are ISRAEL.

LOVE,

RICOEL

**Thummim** · 09-29-2002, 07:51 PM

Teach your children well.

...Ricoel, I do not believe that allah and YHWH are the same Eloheem. What I comment is that the enemies of the JEWish people come from either the faith of christianity, or the faith of Islam. Both faiths can condemn JEWs easily and do. I do not mean to convey that these faiths are the same faiths or that either is a part of the faith of the tanakh. Until christians and Moslems learn to believe in the righteousness of the JEWish people, I cannot sanction either as being the faith of YHWH. {"Yahudah" who wrote the tanakh} Beside these two faiths, are their any other enemies of the JEWish people today? People must be taught how to hate JEWs first, before they become enemies of the JEWish people. Thats why the death toll of the JEWish people through the hatred of our name, is always highest where christianity and Islam flourish.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 09-29-2002, 11:12 PM

Staying with YHWH's WORD

MICHAEL,
I have learned that I must define all things using YHWH's WORD written by YHWH through HIS SPIRIT in MOSES, a Ruebenite, not a jew.

Then Yahoshua, an EPHRAIMITE (not a jew), wrote some.

Then the JUDGES were of all the TRIBES; some were jews of the TRIBE of YEHUDAH.

Then, SAMUEL, the EPHRAIMITE (not a jew), who annoints Saul, a BENJAMINITE (not a jew), as King of ISRAEL.

Then SAMUEL, the EPHRAIMITE, annoints DAVID, a jew from the TRIBE of YEHUDAH, FATHER of our SAVIOR.

Then the HISTORY of ISRAEL and all their kings. History tells of their splitting up into two and not being ONE even unto today.

YEHUDAH and BENJAMIN sold their BROTHERS, the LOST 10 under the TRIBE of EPHRAIM, to the assyrians. The 10 got scattered into the world fulfilling ISRAEL's (YAH'AKOV) prophesy that EPHRAIM's descendants would be a multitude of nations.

The PROPHETS were YHWH's and it never mattered to HIM what TRIBE they were from or even if they were of HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL. Many times YHWH used people outside of ISRAEL to show them who they (ISRAEL) were because they (ISRAEL) would not listen.

YEHUDAH and BENJAMIN were the only ones left to maintain ISRAEL. In fact, YEHUDAH and BENJAMIN wrote the New COVENANT letters. YESHUA and HIS DISCIPLES were of the TRIBE of YEHUDAH and SAUL (PAUL) was of the TRIBE of BENJAMIN.

Define things with YHWH's WORD; let US not use the world's definitions. If one uses the world's definitions it is because they like the loop holes these definitions have. Gives one a lot of room to make up one's own mind. (self)

YHWH's definitions are finite. HIS definitions are either you are with HIM or you are not.

LOVE,

RICOEL

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