When does a DAY begin?

[Sandy]

I am posting a questioning response to the following:

Originally posted by Spying
Hi Bratu,
...Light did shine in darkness. ELOHIM reckons that event as something good. This is a judgment call. The ELOHIM determined that they liked light. By calling the light good, darkness is by that designation most certainly deemed to be bad. Then we see that the ELOHIM divided the light from the darkness? Did all the ELOHIM like this division? Is this a permanent arrangement? Look at what YAHWEH has to say about HIS covenant with the day and night:

Jer 33:20
20 Thus saith the YAHWEH; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;(KJV)

The point is this: The arrangement of dividing light and darkness cannot be broken. The day always begin with night, but then the light always arises and triumphs over darkness. Does this picture or arrangement make sense to you, Bratu?

Sincerely, Spying

When does a DAY begin?

The majority believe that a DAY begins at evening, even though they cannot agree as to exactly when this takes place.

I no longer believe the Biblical day begins at evening as the majority claim, but that it begins with first light.

Hopefully the following will explain why I believe this way.

http://www.shaniyahsplace.homestead.com/dayandnight.html

[Bratu McCaskey]

Hi Sandy
A very valid point indeed. I didn't stop to think when it is considered that a day starts. I was thinking in the traditional Midnight is the start of the new day. Hence my statement in the other Topic. But your reasoning is sound i still follow the other that midnight is the start of the next day but yours makes sense as well.

Bratu

[Sandy]

Thank you Bratu for considering it a possiblility.

[Spying]

Evening, morning?

Hi Sandy,

Thank you for that analysis. I like it. Do you know if ShaniYah is saying that the order of the the 24 hour Day does begin with evening, then night, then morning, then day? Or is the analysis saying that the first day begins with sunrise, then day, then evening, then night? The first day of the recreation of the Earth I believe did begin with evening, a combination of light and darkness in which neither rules over the other. Then night comes in which darkness rules (until the advent of the moon) followed by the day in which light rules (ultimately the rulership of the sun). The evening time relates to or expresses for me the kind of philosophy that Bratu is espousing in that light and darkness coexist together with neither one triumphing over the other.

Sincerely, Spying

[Sandy]

Re: Evening, morning?

Originally posted by Spying
Hi Sandy,

Thank you for that analysis. I like it. Do you know if ShaniYah is saying that the order of the the 24 hour Day does begin with evening, then night, then morning, then day? Or is the analysis saying that the first day begins with sunrise, then day, then evening, then night? The first day of the recreation of the Earth I believe did begin with evening, a combination of light and darkness in which neither rules over the other. Then night comes in which darkness rules (until the advent of the moon) followed by the day in which light rules (ultimately the rulership of the sun). The evening time relates to or expresses for me the kind of philosophy that Bratu is espousing in that light and darkness coexist together with neither one triumphing over the other.

Sincerely, Spying

Hi Spying
Shaniyah is saying that on the first day the first thing brought into being was LIGHT and the LIGHT was called DAY. Therefore the LIGHT is the beginning of everything as well as the DAY.

A (24 hr) DAY begins at first LIGHT not at the end of the light (evening).

[Spying]

Hi Sandy,

Do you observe the Sabbath Day? How do you reckon the exact time that the Sabbath Day begins?

Sincerely, Spying

[Sandy]

Good morning Spying
Yes, I observe the Seventh Day Sabbath. For me it begins at first light.

[Spying]

Morning, evening?

Hi Sandy,

Here I am sitting at my computer in my home, the last house on the right along Weis Avenue in old town Ellisville, waiting for first light so that I can thank YAH for this fine Sabbath dawning. I didn't have the heart to tell my family last evening that our Friday night meal together would no longer be a Sabbath get together. The Sabbath cannot begin with night so we must wait for morning. Is that where you would leave me, Torah?

Actually, I have taken this about as far as I can take it unless you give me some more information. I went to your link, and read it. I like the analysis. I talked to Hyssop about it on the phone, and I told him that you were right, that a day does begin with the light of the evening. He told me that you were not saying that. He told me that you were saying that each day begins with the first light of the morning. Is that true? Anyway, is it not funny how two people can read the same thing and get the opposite impression about the same subject? Why don't you enlighten Hyssop and me, Sandy?

Sincerely, Spying

[Sandy]

Re: Morning, evening?

Originally posted by Spying
Hi Sandy,

Here I am sitting at my computer in my home, the last house on the right along Weis Avenue in old town Ellisville, waiting for first light so that I can thank YAH for this fine Sabbath dawning. I didn't have the heart to tell my family last evening that our Friday night meal together would no longer be a Sabbath get together. The Sabbath cannot begin with night so we must wait for morning. Is that where you would leave me, Torah?

Spying, how can your Friday night meal be a Sabbath get together? Friday night is exactly what you said, Friday night (night=dark) the end of the sixth day.

What is wrong with having a wonderful Sabbath day meal together during the day-light hours of the actual Sabbath? Why does is have to be the evening before? Don't you eat breakfast, dinner and supper on the seventh day too?

What do you do in the summer months when it does not become evening until very late? Do you wait to have your Friday night meal together until that late hour?

Actually, I have taken this about as far as I can take it unless you give me some more information. I went to your link, and read it. I like the analysis. I talked to Hyssop about it on the phone, and I told him that you were right, that a day does begin with the light of the evening.

Spying, evening is the end of the light, not the beginning.

He told me that you were not saying that. He told me that you were saying that each day begins with the first light of the morning. Is that true? Anyway, is it not funny how two people can read the same thing and get the opposite impression about the same subject? Why don't you enlighten Hyssop and me, Sandy?

Sincerely, Spying [/B]

What does the scripture say?
Genesis 1
2) and the earth was (or became) desolate and empty and it was dark over the desolate surface, and the Spirit of Elohym moved gently over the surface of the waters
3) and Elohym said, Let there be LIGHT and there was LIGHT.
4) and Elohym saw the LIGHT that it was good, and Elohym separated between the LIGHT and between the DARK
5) and Elohym called the LIGHT, DAY and He called the DARK, NIGHT; and there was evening and there was morning DAY one,

What is the first thing brought into being on day one?
LIGHT
What is the LIGHT called?
DAY
What does Elohym call the DARK?
NIGHT
Between what does Elohym say he separates?
Between the LIGHT and between the DARK
He places the order as LIGHT and then DARK

The darkness was the END of the desolation and emptiness that was (or had come) upon the earth.

The LIGHT is the beginning of the first DAY.

Genesis 1 (The order is DAY and NIGHT, LIGHT and DARK)
14) ... to divide between the DAY and the NIGHT...
16) ... the greater luminary to rule the DAY and the lesser luminary to rule the NIGHT...
18) and to rule over the DAY and over the NIGHT; and to divide between the LIGHT and the DARK...

[simpleman]

Sandy,

Hi. I have never spoken to you that I know of so I would first like to just say hello.

Now, I am curious about your thinking. I can not say if you are right or wrong, but humility requires all of us to examine our thoughts with the idea that we may be wrong.

How do you explain the fact that the Jewish people, who by the way have kept the Sabbath for a long time, do not see things as you do? I know that Judaism is wrong about many things, but it seems pretty standard that they could have kept straight when a day starts.

Shalom,
Simpleman

[Sandy]

Originally posted by simpleman
Sandy,

Hi. I have never spoken to you that I know of so I would first like to just say hello.

Now, I am curious about your thinking. I can not say if you are right or wrong, but humility requires all of us to examine our thoughts with the idea that we may be wrong.

How do you explain the fact that the Jewish people, who by the way have kept the Sabbath for a long time, do not see things as you do? I know that Judaism is wrong about many things, but it seems pretty standard that they could have kept straight when a day starts.

Shalom,
Simpleman

Hi Simpleman
Thank you for your response.

It is true that the Jews/Judaism teaches us a day begins at evening, but yet they themselves cannot agree as to when that actually takes place.

If as you say, Judaism is wrong about many things, then it is possible they are wrong about when the day begins?

As to humility, I am not attempting to force anyone to believe anything. I am only expressing what I believe may be true.

[Yahnathan]

Sandy it appears we disagree alot. I would compose a lenthy post proving that the sabbath indeed begins at sunset but it is not ness for someone at Paleo-Times web site has taken the liberty for us. Any one can assess this website through our web site the address is

http://www.webspawner.com/users/childofyahweh

Choose the link "When does the scriptural day begin"

With Love in the Service of Yahushua,

[Sandy]

Originally posted by Yahnathan
Sandy it appears we disagree alot. I would compose a lenthy post proving that the sabbath indeed begins at sunset but it is not ness for someone at Paleo-Times web site has taken the liberty for us. Any one can assess this website through our web site the address is

http://www.webspawner.com/users/childofyahweh

Choose the link "When does the scriptural day begin"

With Love in the Service of Yahushua,

Thank you Yahnathan, I will check it out.

[Sandy]

Hi Yahnathan
I visited the link and read the information concerning when a day begins.

I have chosen a couple examples from the link which I would like to examine.

Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, and 31, where we read, "the evening and the morning" were the first day, the second day, etc.

This particular phraseology is used of the first six days of creation. As Yahweh created the physical world, He was also creating time and its proper determination.

Each period of 24-hours had an evening and morning. The hours of darkness, called evening, came first; the hours of daylight, called morning, came second.

I disagree.
Evening is not the time of darkness. It is the period of time also known as twilight or dusk, which is the faint light between sun set and darkness.
The hours of daylight are not called morning. Morning also is a period of twilight or dusk, which is the faint light before the sun rises.

• Genesis 1:5
  And Elohym called the LIGHT "DAY" and He called the DARK "NIGHT"; and there was evening and there was morning DAY one

Elohym did not call the LIGHT "morning", he called the LIGHT "day".
Elohym did not call the DARK "evening", he called the DARK "night".

If the new day does not begin in the morning, how do you explain what is being said here?

• Leviticus7:15
  As to the flesh of the sacrifice of the thanksgiving peace offerings, it shall be eaten in the day of its offering. He shall not leave of it until morning.

[Yahnathan]

Sandy, Your only real argument here is the possibility that perhaps the hebrew word ereb strongs # 6153 can mean either the period after sunset and darkness and the period after sunrise and complete light. Is this your stance ? Are you saying one must use the context to derermine wheather we are talking about the time of either sunset or morning ? Because it is quite clear that the hebrew ereb is ofter used to describe the period near sunset. for example.

Gen 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

Clearly in this verse Noah realeased this dove in the daylight hours would you agree ? Then clearly the dove returned to him before it was completly dark. I challenge you to prove that the hebrew word ereb can be used to mean the morning hours as I have just proved that ereb means without dought the time near darkness. Good Luck !

With Love in the Service of Yahushua,