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  • Matthew23
    Hey, you know your stuff. Your point is well taken. I've got some "homework" to do now .

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  • Thummim
    started a topic Not called by his name any longer. {Isa. 65: 1}

    Not called by his name any longer. {Isa. 65: 1}

    A nation not called by his name, any longer.

    ...Matt, Romans chapters 9 - 11 now read, I have to say that Paul makes some mistakes in what he writes. The leadoff verse of Isa. 65: 1 is not speaking of gentiles, but of a tribe of Israel that now worships other than YHWH, and not in the righteousness of the covenant. If we jump two paragraphs to Isa. 65: 13 -16, we will see that both the good servants of YHWH and those who say to him, "come not close to me for I am holier than thou" are of his own people. Nowhere in Isa. 65 is there any further reference to "exceptable gentiles, as a nation". There is no collaboration at all, that "gentiles are being spoken of. When YHWH identifies both peoples, he separates his servants {as being good} from those who eat swines flesh. {the bad guys} There are only these two groups of people being mentioned. Both are from the same house, but with the new name, as mentioned in Isa. 65: 15, one of the people's is no longer called by his name. Isa. 66: 17 further identifies the time of these words as belonging to Isa. 66: 20, where Jerusalem is reoccupied. At the time that they are written, Jerusalem is desolate and without its peoples. What YHWH does to the {gentile nations} is well written up in the texts. Babylon is about to fall. That is the report that Isaiah makes.

    ...A big problem that translators of the tanakh have, is in not understanding that the word "goy'im" also covers the nations of Israel. It should always be translated "nations", and not "gentiles".

    ...Who has believed the report {that YHWH shall deliver his people from Babylon} is asked in Isa. 53: 1. An intercessor {likely the author himself} makes intercession for YHWH's captive people. Cyrus is identified as the one who will set the captives free. He is mentioned by name. The following verses of text belong to the time of the Babylonian captivity.

    10 Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.

    11 Behold, YHWH hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

    12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of YHWH: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken. Isa. 62: 10 - 12


    That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid. Isa. 44: 28

    Chapter 45

    1 Thus saith YHWH to his anointed, {messiah} to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates {of Babylon}; and the gates shall not be shut;


    ...If you look at the gates of Babylon, the proper time to look at, for a proper understanding of Isaiah's words becomes apparent. Paul is without a good understanding of what he is reading. Paul's argument that there is a casting off of Israel after Jerusalem is reoccupied, or that a gentile people becomes more important to YHWH in his scheme of things, is false. No such thing is prophecied. What fails of the prophets words, belongs to the loss of knowledge of {urim and thummim}, where the relationship between the name of YHWH and the name of YaHudaH are lost. {see Ezra 6: 23, and Neh. 7: 65} This "linking of names" is the blessing of Israel. {Nu. 6: 27} No name, no blessing is what Mal. 2: 2 is declaring. YHWH's strength to deliver his people, is a component of his name. I am out to restore this "garment of praise" to the possession of the people of YaHudaH. {*they/we*, bear the name of praise, but without understanding} This name is also the glory of YHWH Elohenu, that is held higher than the glory of the heavens. My hope is that the name of YHWH {and its associated understanding} can protect JEWish lives from the wrath of this world if JEWish possesion of hashem is restored.