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    When all israel is saved?

    ...My comments, {...}

    21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.

    22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

    23 Sing, O ye heavens; for YHWH hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for YHWH hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.

    24 Thus saith YHWH, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am YHWH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

    25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;

    26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:

    27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:

    28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.


    Chapter 45

    1 Thus saith YHWH to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

    2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

    3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, YHWH, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

    4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

    5 I am YHWH, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

    6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am YHWH, and there is none else.

    7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things.

    8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I YHWH have created it.

    9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

    10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

    11 Thus saith YHWH, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

    12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

    13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith YHWH of hosts.

    14 Thus saith YHWH, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

    15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

    16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

    17 But Israel shall be saved in YHWH with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

    18 For thus saith YHWH that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am YHWH; and there is none else.

    19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I YHWH speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

    20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god thatcannot save.

    21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

    22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

    23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. {swear what}

    24 Surely, shall one say, in YHWH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

    25 In YHWH shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. Isa. 44: 21 - Isa. 45: 25

    ....Continued,

  • #2
    Continued

    When was Israel saved?

    ...Dare we read these words in their proper context? If we do, we will see that Israel's everlasting salvation dates to the reign of Cyrus. We only have to look at paragraph markers to see this.


    17 But Israel shall be saved in YHWH with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. Isa. 45: 17

    ...What paragraph is this text to be found in? The paragraph begins with the declaratioon that Cyrus is the messiah in verse one of Isaiah's 45th chapter. We now read verse thirteen of the 45th chapter of this text.


    13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith YHWH of hosts. Isa. 45: 13

    ...Note that this messiah frees YHWH's captives. This we can pick up in the 44th chapter of the text, in verse 28. Cyrus is named as YHWH's shepherd who says to Jerusalem that it shall be rebuilt and that the foundation of the temple shall be laid. That the peoples salvation and their redemption has come, can be read in the 22nd verse of the 44th chapter of Isaiah.


    22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee. Isa. 44: 22

    ...This verse of text is in the same paragraph as Isa. 44: 28, which names Cyrus as the restorer of Jerusalem. Cyrus is the nail in this everlasting salvation, that fastens Israel's salvation to the time of Cyrus. His name is mentioned in two consecutive verses of text. So we can date the eternal salvation of Israel to the time of Cyrus.

    ...Now we move ahead in the text to Isa. 54: 9.


    9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee. Isa. 54: 9

    ...Here again we have a text that implies eternal salvation to those whom Cyrus liberates. Isa. 54: 3 shows us a desolate Jerusalem being reinhabited. Again the salvation of Israel is to be everlasting, and without anger being shown towards Israel from this time forward. I want to take a look at another verse of text in Haggai to again underline the state of grace that Israel has from its Eloheem.


    19 Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you. Hag. 2: 19

    ...The blessing of this people belongs to the linking of the names of YHWH to one of the names of the sons of Israel.


    22 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

    23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,

    24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

    25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

    26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

    27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Nu. 6: 27

    ...To confirm this "linking" of names brings a blessing of Israel, I will use a text from Malachi.


    1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

    2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith YHWH of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Mal. 2: 1, 2

    ...The name of YHWH and the name of YHWdH {Yahudah} are the names that tie GD's glory to his people. No honor for the name of GD means no blessing for Israel.

    ...So we have a redeemed people, having an everlasting salvation declared upon them, ending up without the glory of GD's name to rise upon them, as shown in Isaiah's 60th chapter.


    1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of YHWH is risen upon thee.

    2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but YHWH shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. Isa. 60: 1, 2 {his name is proclaimed in the place of the glory that is shown Moses in Ex. 34: 5, 6, linking the names of YHWH and YaHudaH. "letter left out to avoid looking upon GD's face?" {LORD LORD GD, but in Hebrew letters, leaving out the dalet in the name of YaHudaH}

    ...This Light that rises upon Israel is YHWH's name.


    10 Who is among you that feareth YHWH, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of YHWH, and stay upon his God. Isa. 50: 10

    ...So when was Israel saved? It was about 500 years before "Jesus" showed up. But what happens if Israel should forget the name of their GD?


    20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;

    21 Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

    22 Yea, for thy {names} sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.

    23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Adonai? arise, cast us not off for ever. Ps. 44: 20 - 23

    ...Have we any evidence of this event occuring? {forgetting the name of GD}


    63 And the Tirshatha said unto them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and with Thummim. Ezra. 2: 63

    ...This verse of text is also found in Neh. 7: 65. Thummim means to "complete" in plural. It "completes" the name of YHWH in the tribe of David {YaHudaH} Upon the throne of David {YaHudaH, the name of the tribe of the throne}, sits the name of GD. {See Isa. 9: 6, 7}

    ..."Jesus", upon arriving in Jerusalem found no evidence of any knowledge of the name of YHWH. And yet it is written in the gospel of John, that he revealed this name to a few people.


    6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

    11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

    ...Israel doesn't need "Jesus" to save them. They just need the knowledge that goes with the name of their Eloheem to be reintroduced to them. They were already promised eternal salvation in the time of Cyrus.


    6 Therefore my people shall know {learn, JPS} my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. Isa. 52: 6

    ....Michael

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    • #3
      Not until all of YH'SHWH's PEOPLE submit,

      will all of ISRAEL be SAVED.


      YH'SHWH says, " The sign will be; I will take away their sin."


      LOVE, RICOEL


      WE are CREATED to be with YH'SHWH FOREVER!!!
      The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

      I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
      I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
      I CREATED YOU for ME.
      That is why I SAVED YOU.
      For ME.

      YOUR HUSBAND,
      YHSHWH

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      • #4
        "Jesus" doesn't know how to intercede for this people.

        ...Ricoel, you don't except the word of YHWH. So on whose authority do you operate?

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        21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.

        22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

        23 Sing, O ye heavens; for YHWH hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for YHWH hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. {already}

        24 Thus saith YHWH, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, {see Isa. 46: 23, 4} I am YHWH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

        25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;

        26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, {what is their state now?} and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:

        27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:

        28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.


        Chapter 45

        1 Thus saith YHWH to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; {of Babylon} and the gates shall not be shut;

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        10 Go through, go through the gates {of Babylon}; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.

        11 Behold, YHWH hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

        12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of YHWH: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken. Isa. 62: 10 - 12
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        2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

        3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, YHWH, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

        4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: {Cyrus} I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

        5 I am YHWH, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

        6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am YHWH, and there is none else.

        7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things.

        8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I YHWH have created it.

        9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

        10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

        11 Thus saith YHWH, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

        12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

        13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: {Cyrus} he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith YHWH of hosts.

        14 Thus saith YHWH, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

        15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

        16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

        17 But Israel shall be saved in YHWH with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

        18 For thus saith YHWH that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am YHWH; and there is none else.

        19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I YHWH speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

        20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

        21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

        22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

        23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

        24 Surely, shall one say, in YHWH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

        25 In YHWH shall all the seed of Israel be justified, {tzadek--> righteous}, "in YHWH shall all the seed of Israel be righteous and shall glory". In the time of Cyrus

        ...It's all a matter of understanding the time of righteousness.

        ....Michael

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        • #5
          2 cents worth?

          Hi Michael,

          You seem very well versed in the study of HaShem's teachings. I am interested in hearing more about how the salvation and the healing that HaShem has promised for His people is to come. You indicate in most of what you write that the salvation and healing has already occured. If this is the case, what are your thoughts on what Yesha'yahu has written:

          Yesha'yahu 30:18-33 18 Truly, Yahweh is waiting to show you grace, Truly, He will arise to pardon you. For Yahweh is an Elohim of justice; Happy are all who wait for Him. 19 Indeed, O people in Zion, dwellers of Jerusalem, you shall not have cause to weep. He will grant you His favor at the sound of your cry; He will respond as soon as He hears it. 20 My Yahweh will provide for you meager bread and scant water. Then your Guide will no more be ignored, but your eyes will watch your Guide; 21 and, whenever you deviate to the right or to the left, your ears will heed the command from behind you: "This is the road; follow it!" 22 And you will treat as unclean the silver overlay of your images and the golden plating of your idols. You will cast them away like a menstruous woman. "Out!" you will call to them. 23 So rain shall be provided for the seed with which you sow the ground, and the bread that the ground brings forth shall be rich and fat. Your livestock, in that day, shall graze in broad pastures; 24 as for the cattle and the asses that till the soil, they shall partake of salted fodder that has been winnowed with shovel and fan. 25 And on every high mountain and on every lofty hill, there shall appear brooks and watercourses -- on a day of heavy slaughter, when towers topple. 26 And the light of the moon shall become like the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall become sevenfold, like the light of the seven days, when Yahweh binds up His people's wounds and heals the injuries it has suffered. 27 Behold Yahweh Himself Comes from afar In blazing wrath, With a heavy burden -- His lips full of fury, His tongue like devouring fire, 28 And his breath like a raging torrent Reaching halfway up the neck -- To set a misguiding yoke upon nations And a misleading bridle upon the jaws of peoples, 29 For you, there shall be singing As on a night when a festival is hallowed; There shall be rejoicing as when they march With flute, with timbrels, and with lyres To the Rock of Israel on the Mount of Yahweh. 30 For Yahweh will make His majestic voice heard And display the sweep of His arm In raging wrath, In a devouring blaze of fire, In tempest, and rainstorm, and hailstones. 31 Truly, Assyria, who beats with the rod, Shall be cowed by the voice of Yahweh; 32 And each time the appointed staff passes by, Yahweh will bring down His arm upon him And will do battle with him as he waves it. 33 The Topheth has long been ready for him; He too is destined for Melech -- His firepit has been made both wide and deep, With plenty of fire and firewood, And with the breath of Yahweh Burning in it like a stream of sulfur.

          How do you see the sun getting seven times brighter and the moon as bright as the sun when Yahweh heals His people (is this forgiveness)? What are your thoughts? I would be very interested in hearing them.

          LeWanna

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          • #6
            Discovering hashem.

            ...LeWanna writes;

            How do you see the sun getting seven times brighter and the moon as bright as the sun when Yahweh heals His people (is this forgiveness)? What are your thoughts? I would be very interested in hearing them.

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            These words are centered in the name of the YHWH. It is in reference to the glory of YHWH. YHWH tells Moses that he will show him his glory, and proclaim his name as he passes by. Most people think of glory as the shining of lights. But YHWH's glory is his name, and it is his name that stands in the place of his glory in Ex. 34: 5 - 7. We need to read Isa. 60: 19, 20 for some insight.

            18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

            19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but YHWH shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

            20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for YHWH shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

            21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. Isa. 60: 18 - 21

            ...It needs to be discovered that the separation of the "light", from the "darkness" occurs twice. Once in Gen. 1: 4 and once in Gen. 1: 14. It is redundant, "you can remove the fourth day". There are many accounts of the sun being unable to give its light by the nevi'im {prophets}. This is all builded upon the same set of thoughts, the corrupt sun which keeps the glory of YHWH's name, a little higher than the glory of the heavens. Seeing the relationship between the names of YHWH {how YHWH is to be remembered} and the name of the tribe of David {YaHudaH} --> YHW(d)H {yowd-he-vav-he, and yowd-he-vav-dalet-he} is to see that the fourth letter of the name of Yahudah, only needs to be removed from the tribe of David, to arrive at the name of YHWH.

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            Malachi speaks of the name of GD, and how it relates to the heavens of Genesis, in this way,

            2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. {released from it}

            ...Malachi is acknowledging the corrupt sun {you cannot plant the earth before you create the heavens!} and its relationship to the name of YHWH.

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            ...Now if you remove the fourth day from creation, you are left with the light of the first day, to cover all seven days. {the light of the sun as the light of seven days} This is what the prophet is speaking of.


            O YHWH adonai, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.


            ...This is an introduction of "hashem" {the name} and is what the tanakh is resting upon. But the writers of the NT were unaware of hashem and didn't build upon the rock of David {see. Ex. 28: 21 --> the name that goes with Davids stone} This rock is the cornerstone of the faith of the JEWish people and the name of hashem makes the faith of Israel different from all other faiths. YaHudaH means praise, as does the name of YHWH. Isa. 9: 6 needs to be read in the context of this knowledge. {upon the throne of David = YaHudah, the name of the mighty GD, which the people bear within themselves. It's like a breath of life for the image of GD, in whose image we are created.

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            3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

            22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Ps. 22: 3, 22


            10 According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness. Ps. 48: 10

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            35 And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise YHWH: therefore she called his name Judah {YaHudaH}; and left bearing. Gen. 29: 35

            ...When the glory of YHWH's name rises upon YHWH's people, they become {all righteous} But gross darkness hides the light of YHWH's name. The strength to protect the JEWish people relies upon the name of YHWH.

            ...Baruch hashem, and welcome to the forum.

            ....Michael

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            • #7
              Turned around?

              Hello Michael,

              Thank you for writing to me. It seems you have many people you write to and that is admireable. Again, thank you for taking the time out for me. I did have a little trouble with your reply. Don't get me wrong, I respect your knowledge and the way you handle yourself. It's just that you seem to have taken the Scripture out of the context that it was written. Most of what you write indicates that G-d's people were forgiven and made righteous at the time of Cyrus, and this forgiveness and righteousness is forever. So when we see written (prior to this forgiveness) that when YHWH pardons and grants favor to His people, and binds their wounds and heals their injuries, the sun will become seven times brighter and the moon as bright as the sun. At least that is what I see written. But your explanation takes the "first day" light and covers all seven days with it. It appears to me that explanation is just the opposite of what is written. You write: "you are left with the light of the first day, to cover all seven days." Wouldn't that mean that each day has 1/7th of the light of the first day? I don't mean to complain, but why can't you believe what is written, and take it in context. Don't you believe that the sun could become seven times brighter (like the light of seven full days) and the moon as bright as the sun? Or is this only to be taken in a symbolic or spiritual sense?

              LeWanna

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              • #8
                Hashem

                LeWanna Writes;

                Wouldn't that mean that each day has 1/7th of the light of the first day?

                ...The light for seven days is all found in the first day. Their is no fourth day after the sun, moon and stars are darkened. It is not that the heavens will roll up and cease, that the author is refering to, but that the name of YHWH will cover all of his people {his glory rising upon them}. When your name is {YHWH}, fourth letter removed, you gain some righteousness. YHWH is the righteousness of his people. What follows is an Eloheem who will not be "wroth" with his people again {Isa. 54: 9} as well as a blessed people {Hag. 2: 19}. The blessing is found in the name of YHWH, as it is linked to the names of the sons of Israel. {Nu. 6: 27} The blessing always belongs to the name of YHWH. {Mal. 2: 1, 2; -a warning to the priests concerning the loss of the blessing that goes with YHWH's name}.
                Zechariah also mentions the light of the first day in the following verse of text.


                6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

                7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to YHWH, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. Zech. 14: 6, 7


                ...What is the light of the first day like? The sun no longer sets nor rises when the name of YHWH is learned.


                20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for YHWH shall be thine everlasting light, {day one, "in the beginning YHWH"} and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

                21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. Isa. 60: 20, 21

                ...Malachi mentions the same event, this way.

                But unto you that fear "my name" shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. {released from it}

                3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith YHWH of hosts. Mal. 4: 2, 3

                ...I assure you that these authors are talking about Hashem. {the name}.

                ...Lets assume that the name of YHWH is taken completely out of the text of the tanakh. Now we insert the name of YaHudaH {without its fourth letter} into its place. Having done so, not one jot or tiddle changes in the text.

                ...Christianity did not build upon "Hashem" because they did not know the faith of the book they were turning into their own faith. "Jesus" did not build upon the rock of David. {the name of Yahudah}

                ...Discovering Hashem can be a shocking to most christians. It's like discovering that some beautiful hand writing on a vase that you have stolen, is really the name of the owner of the vase, and now everyone knows that you are a thief.

                ....Michael

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                • #9
                  Discovering the Name?

                  Hi Michael,

                  You place a lot of emphasis on alphabetical letters, and maybe there is something to learn from the removal of the fourth letter, but I think you are missing something very important, or at least you haven't expressed it yet. I still want to look at this scripture a little more.

                  TNK Isaiah 30:26 And the light of the moon shall become like the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall become sevenfold, like the light of the seven days, when YHWH binds up His people's wounds and heals the injuries it has suffered.

                  Your explanation is still not consistent with what this scripture is saying. This scripture is not saying that each day shares the first day's light. So why do you keep making that point? This scripture states that when YHWH binds and heals his people, ON THAT DAY, the sun will be seven times brighter (like the light of seven FULL days), and the moon will be as bright as the sun.

                  You have quoted many good scriptures that speak of the blessing and light associated with YHWH's name. Isn't it in his Torah that we receive a blessing?

                  TNK Deuteronomy 28:2 2 All these blessings shall come upon you and take effect, if you will but heed the word of YHWH your Elohim.

                  And doesn't YHWH's WORD light our path? This is what King David has to say:

                  TNK Psalm 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet, a light for my path.

                  TNK Psalm 119:130 The words You inscribed give light, and grant understanding to the simple.

                  And also King Solomon:

                  TNK Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp, The teaching is a light, And the way to life is the rebuke that disciplines.

                  Even Isaiah:

                  TNK Isaiah 51:4 Hearken to Me, My people, And give ear to Me, O My nation, For teaching shall go forth from Me, My way for the light of peoples. In a moment I will bring it:

                  It's seems to me that YHWH's WORD, his teaching/Torah is the blessing and light which is received by his people. And the healing and binding that takes place for his people is when YHWH magnifies his WORD, fully revealing his name to us:

                  TNK Psalm 138:2 I bow toward Your holy temple and praise Your name for Your steadfast love and faithfulness, because You have exalted Your name, Your word, above all.

                  Michael, doesn't it make more sense that YHWH's name is more than just some alphabetical letters? Isn't it more understandable that when someone COMES in the name of YHWH, they are coming as one who is following and doing the WORD of YHWH, not just saying or knowing some letters of the alphabet?

                  Moses PROCLAIMED the name of YHWH. The sages have stated this proclamation was the WHOLE Torah. Everything that Moses wrote IS proclaiming the NAME of YHWH. This concept agrees with the other scriptures quoted above. When we look at the healing and binding of the wounds of YHWH's people, and the increase of light that will take place on that day, isn't it only reasonable that YHWH's people are walking and doing according to his name/word? This is the healing that I see. When YHWH raises his people from the dust of the earth, his light will increase because his people will be praising and following the light of his name, which is his WORD.

                  To discover his word and do it, is the discovery of his name. Those who find his name and do it are blessed.

                  And what about the moon? How does it shine like the sun?

                  LeWanna

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                  • #10
                    Hashem.

                    14 And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon, Deut. 33: 14


                    ...LeWanna, why is the order in the creation of YHWH, breached? The author of Genesis's first chapter of text, knows that the order of creation is wrong. Even the most simple minded of his time know what seasons are, and that one cannot plant the earth before the sun, moon and stars are created. The tanakh is built upon a name. This sets the faith of Israel apart from all other faiths. When we come to Jerusalem, a temple is built for this name {hashem}. This name is the rock that David stands upon. It is the name of YHWH. {YaH -W- daH} *Yahudah*. Why do the authors of the tanakh want to build upon the name of GD, as oppossed to the way that all other faiths are created? We must not omit hashem, for it is the defense of the JEWish people. It is "life being breathed into his image. It is the name of the owners of the tanakh, upon what was stolen from him. Learning "hashem" will not be comfortable to many people.


                    LeWanna writes;

                    You have quoted many good scriptures that speak of the blessing and light associated with YHWH's name. Isn't it in his Torah that we receive a blessing?

                    The blessing is tied to the name of GD.

                    22 And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying,

                    23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,

                    24 YHWH bless thee, and keep thee:

                    25 YHWH make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

                    26 YHWH lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

                    27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.


                    ...The blessing of Israel accompanies hashem. An example of what happens without hashem in the formula for the blessing, is found in the book of Malachi.

                    1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

                    2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith YHWH of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

                    The blessing of Israel attends the linking of the name of YHWH to the names of the sons of Israel, through the tribe of David. Psalms 89: 24 says that through the name of YHWH, will Davids horn be exalted. Isa. 9: 6, 7 says that the name of GD sits upon Davids throne. Though christianity would love to dismiss the name of GD, it will not be able to.


                    Valad name asked a simular question of me.

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                    I find it strange that you see YHWH as the Sun. Do you see this in the attributes of him in the physical sun? What makes YHWY the sun that you could spiritually glean from the physical world?

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                    This was my answer, and it will show the authors of the tanakh, looking at the corrupt sun.


                    ...I do not see YHWH as the sun. The author has decided that the name of YHWH will be a little higher than the heavens. It is he who creates a corrupt sun. The fourth day of creation is synonomus with the fourth letter in the name of YHWH. In the name of GD, the fourth letter of the name, has already been removed.

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                    5 But unto the place which YHWH your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come: Deut. 12: 5


                    ...Will YHWH choose to "put" his name in a tribe of Israel? The following verses of text show you that this is in fact the case.


                    4 Howbeit YHWH God of Israel chose me before all the house of my father to be king over Israel for ever: for he hath chosen YaHudaH to be the ruler; and of the house of YaHudaH, the house of my father; and among the sons of my father he liked me to make me king over all Israel: I Chr. 28: 4


                    ...(Yahudah = YHWDH, The name of GD = YHWH) How likely is it, that the letters in the name of GD and the letters in the name of Yahudah would match up, and in the same order?


                    67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:

                    68 But chose the tribe of YaHudaH, the mount Zion which he loved. Ps. 78: 67, 68


                    ...He made a choice as to which tribe would "bear" his name. A partial name cannot exist unless a complete name exists first. "Yahudah", as a name, must pre-exist the name of GD. It must be the name of GD.

                    22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Ps. 22: 22


                    35 And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise YHWH: therefore she called his name YaHudaH; and left bearing. Gen. 29: 35


                    7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. Ps. 47: 7


                    10 According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand {his name} is full of righteousness. Ps. 48: 10

                    1 O YHWH our Adonai, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.

                    2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. Ps. 8: 1, 2 {the "babes" are taught to praise YHWH, and his name is the vessel of his strength.}

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                    ...Isaiah speaks of the fourth day of creation and its corrupt sun, in this way.

                    19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

                    20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for YHWH shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. Isa. 60: 19, 20

                    ...The light of the first day {on which the light is separated from darkness also} is the light of GD. The fourth day is no longer being relied upon as the light of day, to those who "Praise GD" with understanding.

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                    ...Joel writes of the corrupt sun in this way.


                    15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. Joel 3: 15

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                    30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

                    31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of YHWH come. Joel 2: 30, 31

                    ...The sun is not relied upon for light, as the name of "Praise" has been revealed as the name of YHWH. His people are delivered from their oppressors by this revelation. Can the oppressors of the name of YaHudaH, be saved at all?


                    7 Our soul is escaped as a bird out of the snare of the fowlers: the snare is broken, and we are escaped.

                    8 Our help is in the name of YHWH, who made heaven and earth. Ps. 124: 7, 8

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                    ...Zechariah writes of the corrupt sun in this way.

                    7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to YHWH, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light {instead of dark}. Zech. 14: 7

                    9 And YHWH shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH, and his name one. Zech. 9: 14 {his name shall be revealed as "YaHudah", the now "one name" of GD.

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                    ...Malachi writes of it in this way.


                    2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. {released from it.}

                    ...Malachi is telling us, that there is a corrupt sun that has something to do with GD's name. GD is not the sun. What is more than creation, is his name that is to rise upon his own people.

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                    1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of YHWH is risen upon thee.

                    2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but YHWH shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. Isa. 60: 1, 2

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                    ...The light of seven days, is what the light of the first day must produce in the absence of the sun, to cover all seven days by itself. When the name of GD is seen upon YHWH's people, {as in Isa. 60: 1, 2} they recieve their blessing.

                    ....Michael

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                    • #11
                      Looking at creation.

                      LeWanna writes;

                      And what about the moon? How does it shine like the sun?

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                      ...Spying will love my answer. The moon is "symbolically" the people of Israel. {the mother} This we find out in Gen. 37: 9, where Joseph tells of his dream. The people on whom the glory of YHWH rises, shines like the moon themselves. The people shine like their Eloheem.

                      1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of YHWH is risen upon thee.

                      2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but YHWH shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. Isa. 60: 1, 2

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                      9 Behold, the day of YHWH cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

                      10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

                      11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

                      12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

                      13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of YHWH of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. Isa. 13: 10 - 13

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                      ... Isaiah is thinking in terms of the creation, when the fourth day ceases, in its being removed from the heavens. This cataclysm is replaced by the light of the first day, when the evil ones are defeated by YHWH, and his light {the glory of his name} rises upon his own people.

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                      23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when YHWH of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. Isa. 24: 23

                      ...Why will the sun be ashamed? Could it be that it occupies the wrong day in the heavens? {it is corrupt}.

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                      19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: {the end of the fourth day} but YHWH shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. {like the light of the first day}

                      20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for YHWH shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. {the light of YHWH shines from his people} ie. --> the glory of his name

                      21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: {they bear the name of their GD} they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.


                      12 So teach us to number {count} our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. Ps. 20: 12

                      ...Baruch hashem,

                      ....Michael

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                      • #12
                        Name=WORD

                        Hi Michael,

                        You do overwhelm those whom you discourse with, but I will try to keep up .

                        Your formula for understanding the "name" is something I think I would find from a "wizard." I gave to you an understanding of the "name" that should make some sense with you, but you continue to level the very basic understanding of deciphering the name with the alphebet. YHWH's name is MORE than what you present. YHWH's name is ALL of his WORD. Every word that proceeds out of the mouth of YHWH is his NAME. Those who praise his name (Yahudah), are those who live by every word that proceeds from his mouth. You appear to be like an uniformed Jew who honors YHWH with your lips (the alphebet), and are far from KNOWING the name and it's full meaning by LIVING according to his word. But you have impressed me by your acknowledgement that the "moon" represents YHWH's people. YHWH's people will shine like him, but HE will become more glorified THROUGH those who take his name upon themselves and live by that name. When YHWH's people glorify him with their belief and acknowledgement of his sacred name (all of his word), he will become seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days.

                        The beginning of the "moon" was at the exodus (Ex 12:2). At that time a people did start to reflect the light/word of YHWH (his name). It is written that the "moon" is for marking or establishing the "appointed times." My question to you is, HOW does YHWH's people (the moon) mark the "appointed times/feast's of YHWH?"

                        LeWanna

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                        • #13
                          Hashem is a family name.

                          LeWanna writes;

                          YHWH's name is MORE than what you present. YHWH's name is ALL of his WORD. Every word that proceeds out of the mouth of YHWH is his NAME.

                          ...Is this a hunch of yours? A rock is not a mountain. YHWH's name is not his word. It is the name that connects him to his people. YHWH's word is his will. Where in the tanakh, do you come up with this idea, that the word of YHWH and his name are interchangable. Can't one {his word} be exclusionary of the other in its use? Why would he need to address his will, in telling his name? He has a name that links him to his people. I have a name, and you have a name. We all have a name that we are known by. While there is a link between my name and what I write, I would not give up my name to it. {it connects me to my family, as YHWH's name connects him to his family.} It is my power of attorney. By it, I sign over my authority to those I want to recieve it. Now where does it say in the text of the tanakh, that YHWH's word supplants his name? If there was no cause for YHWH to have a name, the authors of the tanakh wouldn't have given him one. Your views are simplistic and do not give thought, that there is a purpose for which he has a name.

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                          1 But now thus saith YHWH that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. Isa. 43: 3


                          6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

                          7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

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                          ...The name of Israel is not the word of Israel. There is a purpose to the name as used above. YHWH sets at exclusion all other people, by using their name. YHWH is also set apart from all other gods, through his name.

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                          ...This is the word of YHWH, and do you believe it?

                          21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.

                          22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

                          23 Sing, O ye heavens; for YHWH hath done it {already}: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for YHWH hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. Isa. 44: 21 - 23

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                          ...Because YHWH has named his people, we know that they themselves are redeemed. We know that they are without sin. He is not talking about any other people. He is not addressing the word of his people, but pointing his finger at them by name. Why do you suppose that YHWH uses their name? I teach some interesting things about the name of YHWH. But some people cannot recieve them. Hashem has a reason for existing. When thieves find the name of the owner, engraved upon what they have stolen, all that know that name, know that there are thieves about.

                          LeWanna writes;

                          It is written that the "moon" is for marking or establishing the "appointed times." My question to you is, HOW does YHWH's people (the moon) mark the "appointed times/feast's of YHWH?"

                          ...I will attemp to answer this with another question.

                          19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but YHWH shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. Isa. 60: 19

                          ...What marks the the appointed times of YHWH, when there is no sun, moon or stars to rule the heavens? And how can YHWH say that he will never be angry with his people again in the following verse of text?

                          9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.

                          ...Could this verse of text suggest an ever righteous people? {named Jacob or Israel}

                          ...How does YHWH choose which sinners he will forgive and which ones he won't? If he can forgive Manasseh, who then of his "named" people, can't he forgive?

                          19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

                          ...Do the sins of the righteous make a splash, when cast into the sea?

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                          16 And in the fourteenth day of "the first month" is the passover of YHWH. Nu. 28: 16

                          2 For the king had taken counsel, and his princes, and all the congregation in Jerusalem, to keep the passover in "the second month". II Chr. 30: 2

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                          ....Michael

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                          • #14
                            Hi Michael,

                            Have you had enough time to ruminate on the truth that the Name IS ALL of Elohim's Word? In the Tanakh, many individuals were named with a name that told something about that individual, or something about their parents. Throughout the existence of humankind, names have been given and added too which describe the work or occupation of an individual. YHWH is no different, His Name is a description of what He values and does, and it tells us about Him. So through His Word, He gives us a very detailed description of His Name, His identity.

                            You have asked, "Where in the tanakh, do you come up with this idea?"
                            Here is a table that should help you see the comparison between YHWH's Name and His Word:
                            On this side of the table are Scriptures which show or tell us something about YHWH's Name.On this side of the table are Scriptures which show or tell us something about YHWH's Word/Torah/Commands. (Notice the comparisions between the two sides.)
                            TNK 2 Chronicles 33:4 and he built altars to them in the House of YHWH, of which YHWH had said, "My name will be in Jerusalem forever."

                            TNK 1 Kings 11:36 To his son I will give one tribe, so that there may be a lamp for My servant David forever before Me in Jerusalem -- the city where I have chosen to establish My name.

                            Here we have YHWH stating that His Name will be established in Jerusalem
                            TNK Isaiah 2:3 And the many peoples shall go and say: "Come, Let us go up to the Mount of YHWH, To the House of the Elohim of Jacob; That He may instruct us in His ways, And that we may walk in His paths." For instruction shall come forth from Zion, The word of YHWH from Jerusalem.


                            Here we have YHWH's Torah and Word coming forth and being established in Jerusalem. What does Jerusalem mean? Doesn't it mean "teaching/foundation of peace?" YHWH's Word/Name is established in the foundation or teaching of PEACE. In fact, the work of righteousness (walking in the Name/Word) is peace.


                            TNK Isaiah 32:17-18 For the work of righteousness shall be peace, And the effect of righteousness, calm and confidence forever. 18 Then my people shall dwell in peaceful homes, In secure dwellings, In untroubled places of rest.


                            Dwelling in peace IS established by living according to YHWH's Word/Name...This IS Jerusalem.
                            TNK Micah 4:5 Though all the peoples walk Each in the names of its gods, We will walk In the name of YHWH our Elohim Forever and ever.

                            Walking in the "Name" is the same as walking in YHWH's Ways or Word.
                            TNK Deuteronomy 19:9 if you faithfully observe all this Instruction that I enjoin upon you this day, to love YHWH your Elohim and to walk in His ways at all times -- then you shall add three more towns to those three.


                            Walking in YHWH's Ways/Instruction is to walk in His Name, it's the same thing.
                            TNK Malachi 2:2 Unless you obey and unless you lay it to heart, and do honor to My name -- said YHWH of Hosts - I will send a curse and turn your blessings into curses. (Indeed, I have turned them into curses, because you do not lay it to heart.)

                            Honoring YHWH's Name IS obeying His Word, and those who honor it will be blessed, those who don't will be cursed.
                            TNK Deuteronomy 28:1-2...9-10 Now, if you obey YHWH your Elohim, to observe faithfully all His commandments which I enjoin upon you this day, YHWH your Elohim will set you high above all the nations of the earth. 2 All these blessings shall come upon you and take effect, if you will but heed the word of YHWH your Elohim: .... 9 YHWH will establish you as His holy people, as He swore to you, if you keep the commandments of YHWH your Elohim and walk in His ways. 10 And all the peoples of the earth shall see that YHWH's name is proclaimed over you, and they shall stand in fear of you.

                            Can you see it Michael? If you KEEP the commandments, and walk in His ways, the Name IS proclaimed OVER you.

                            YHWH has promised all of the blessings by walking in his Ways, heeding His Word, and faithfully observing all His commands, and this is ultimately how one honors His Name/Word.


                            TNK Deuteronomy 28:15...45...58-59 But if you do not obey YHWH your Elohim to observe faithfully all His commandments and laws which I enjoin upon you this day, all these curses shall come upon you and take effect:...45 All these curses shall befall you; they shall pursue you and overtake you, until you are wiped out, because you did not heed YHWH your Elohim and keep the commandments and laws that He enjoined upon you....58-59 58 If you fail to observe faithfully all the terms of this Teaching that are written in this book, to reverence this honored and awesome Name, YHWH your Elohim, 59 YHWH will inflict extraordinary plagues upon you and your offspring, strange and lasting plagues, malignant and chronic diseases.

                            YHWH also promises cursing to those who do NOT fear His honored and awesome Name, by faithfully observing ALL of His Word/Name.
                            NJB Judges 13:18 The Angel of YHWH replied, 'Why ask my name? It is a name of wonder.'

                            YHWH's Decrees are "wondrous."
                            TNK Psalm 119:129 Your decrees are wondrous; rightly do I observe them.

                            It's not a coincidence that the Hebrew word used for "wondrous" in describing the "decrees" is:

                            06382 al,P, (pele) (810b) Meaning: a wonder Origin: from an unused word Usage: astonishingly(1), wonderful(1), Wonderful(1), wonders(9).

                            And the Hebrew word for "wonder" which described the Angel's name is:

                            06383 yail.Pi pil'iy {pil-ee'} or ayliP' paliy' {paw-lee'} Meaning: 1) wonderful, incomprehensible, extraordinary Origin: from 06381; TWOT - 1768b; adj Usage: AV - secret 1, wonderful 1, variant 2; 4

                            Both discriptions for the "Name" and "Decrees" virtually have the identical meaning....the Name and the Decrees are wonderful in an extraordinary way, because they are virtually one in the same.


                            Michael, doesn't it make more sense to you that YHWH blesses, saves, and delivers, along with curses, destroys, and forsakes those who either live according to His Word/Name, or profanes it. King David prayed that he not be made poor, lest he steal and PROFANE the Name of YHWH:

                            TNK Proverbs 30:9 Lest, being sated, I renounce, saying, "Who is YHWH?" Or, being impoverished, I take to theft And profane the name of my Elohim.

                            Breaking a command profanes the Name, because they are one in the same.

                            I could continue giving you example after example of how YHWH's Name and Word are inseparate and intertwined. The full magnitude of YHWH's Name is revealed in His Word, it's NOT just 4, 5, 6, or 7 Hebrew letters as you suppose. Those who are saved IN His Name, do not cast His words behind, taking His Name in vain. The salvation of Israel will require that YHWH's Name/Word be called upon, and that is a calling upon of His WHOLE Word, not just a few letters.

                            LeWanna

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                              Only in the name of YHWH does the tanakh reveal its true meaning.

                              ...LaWanna, the word as it is understood by christians, saves no JEWish lives from the oppression of this faith. Outside of the name of YHWH, the word of YHWH is stolen and reinterpreted so as to allow non-JEWish peoples to believe that something as JEWish as is GD's name, belongs to another name "Jesus, etc" which is a curse to the name of YaHudaH, and an act of thievery in which catholisism has managed to disclude from their own book, GD's very name. The faith of the NT isn't built upon the name of YHWH, as is 65 of the 66 books of the tanakh, and so millions of JEWs suffer by a seeming permission of a renamed GD. {many verses of the NT would fit here} Don't tell me that the words of YHWH are his name. His name can do what his words cannot do outside of his name. It is time that this world learns the real name of YHWH and where every letter of this name comes from! It will bitter in their bellies, but it is better that it does. I put up the name of YHWH to defend his people. We know that the words outside of this knowledge {of the name} have failed to protect them.

                              ...Let he that hath eyes see, and he that hath ears hear that the name of YHWH is YaH u=W daH "Yahudah". A partial name cannot exist unless the whole name exists first. YaHudaH is GD's name and the world is going to learn it no matter how hard an attempt is made to cover up the sacred name. The idea behind the tanakh is to inhabit the "praises" of YHWH and this the people of YaHudaH, does. When you learn that any name that is written upon the tanakh can command its authority, in the absence of the true owners name, you will understand why I rely on the true name of YHWH to set matters right. The tanakh {the words of YHWH} belong to the name of YaHudah. This is his name forever, unto all generations. {Ex. 3: 15} To have the tanakh protect the JEWish people, the name of YHWH must be learned by their oppressors.

                              6 Therefore my people shall know {learn, JSP} my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. Isa. 52: 6

                              ...and at no other time {excluding the knowledge of YHWH's name} will you understand the words of the book, and in no other name can you understand them. The name of YHWH is the foundation that the words of YHWH rest upon. The other names claiming the words of the tanakh, only exist to decieve its readers.

                              ...The name upon the deed indicates who the true owner(s) are.

                              ....Michael

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