Announcement

**israelthebride** · 07-17-2002, 01:21 PM

There is ONE.

MICHAEL,

I hope I understand what you are communicating.

The reason things are amiss, is not because of YH'SHWH, but it is HIS supposedly "followers" that want to feel safe and will not join themselves to HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL.

YH'SHWH has no other PEOPLE except ISRAEL. ISRAEL is neither Jewish, Christian, Mormon, Palestinian, American, Russian, Greek, etc...

ISRAEL are those that deny themselves and submit to YH'SHWH and HIS WAYS and HIS STATUES.

Many leaders scatter HIS PEOPLE.

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THE MIRACLE OF BELIEF

"My speech and my preaching was not with enticing words." 1 Corinthians 2:1-5

Paul was a scholar and an orator of the first rank; he is not speaking out of abject humility; but saying that he would veil the power of God if, when he preached the gospel, he impressed people with his "excellency of speech." Belief in Jesus is a miracle produced only by the efficacy of Redemption, not by impressiveness of speech, not by wooing and winning, but by the sheer unaided power of God. The creative power of the Redemption comes through the preaching of the Gospel, but never because of the personality of the preacher.

The real fasting of the preacher is not from food, but rather from eloquence, from impressiveness and exquisite diction, from everything that might hinder the gospel of God being presented. The preacher is there as the representative of God - "as though God did beseech you by us." He is there to present the Gospel of God. If it is only because of my preaching that people desire to be better, they will never get anywhere near Jesus Christ. Anything that flatters me in my preaching of the Gospel will end in making me a traitor to Jesus; I prevent the creative power of His Redemption from doing its work.

"I, if I be lifted up . . . , will draw all men unto Me."

OSWALD CHAMBERS

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The Shepherds

EZEK 34:1 And the WORD of YH’SHWH came unto me, saying,

EZEK 34:2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of ISRAEL, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith YH’SHWH GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of ISRAEL that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the FLOCKS?

EZEK 34:3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill THEM that are fed: but ye feed not the FLOCK.

EZEK 34:4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled THEM.

EZEK 34:5 And THEY were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and THEY became meat to all the beasts of the field, when THEY were scattered.

EZEK 34:6 MY SHEEP wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, MY FLOCK was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after THEM.

EZEK 34:7 Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the WORD of YH’SHWH;

EZEK 34:8 As I LIVE, saith YH’SHWH GOD, surely because MY FLOCK became a prey, and MY FLOCK became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for MY FLOCK, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not MY FLOCK;

EZEK 34:9 Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the WORD of YH’SHWH;

EZEK 34:10 Thus saith YH’SHWH GOD; Behold, I AM against the shepherds; and I will require MY FLOCK at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the FLOCK; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver MY FLOCK from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

EZEK 34:11 For thus saith YH’SHWH GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search MY SHEEP, and seek THEM out.

EZEK 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out MY SHEEP, and will deliver THEM out of all places where THEY have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

EZEK 34:13 And I will bring THEM out from the people, and gather THEM from the countries, and will bring THEM to THEIR OWN LAND, and feed THEM upon the mountains of ISRAEL by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

EZEK 34:14 I will feed THEM in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of ISRAEL shall THEIR FOLD be: there shall THEY lie in a good FOLD and in a fat pasture shall THEY feed upon the mountains of ISRAEL.

EZEK 34:15 I will feed MY FLOCK, and I will cause THEM to lie down, saith YH’SHWH GOD.

EZEK 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed THEM with judgment.

EZEK 34:17 And as for YOU, O MY FLOCK, thus saith YH’SHWH GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.

EZEK 34:18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?

EZEK 34:19 And as for MY FLOCK, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.

EZEK 34:20 Therefore thus saith YH’SHWH GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.

EZEK 34:21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;

EZEK 34:22 Therefore will I save MY FLOCK, and THEY shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.

EZEK 34:23 And I will set up ONE SHEPHERD over them, and HE shall feed THEM, even MY SERVANT DAVID; HE shall feed THEM, and HE shall be THEIR SHEPHERD.

EZEK 34:24 And I, YH’SHWH, will be their GOD, and MY SERVANT DAVID, a PRINCE among THEM; I, YH’SHWH, have spoken it.

EZEK 34:25 And I will make with THEM a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and THEY shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.

EZEK 34:26 And I will make THEM and the places round about MY HILL a BLESSING; and I will cause the shower to come down in HIS SEASON; there shall be showers of BLESSING.

EZEK 34:27 And the tree in the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and THEY shall be safe in THEIR land, and shall know that I AM YH’SHWH, when I have broken the bands of THEIR yoke, and delivered THEM out of the hand of those that served themselves of THEM.

EZEK 34:28 And THEY shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour THEM; but THEY shall dwell safely, and none shall make THEM afraid.

EZEK 34:29 And I will raise up for THEM a plant of renown, and THEY shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.

EZEK 34:30 Thus shall THEY know that I YH’SHWH their GOD am with THEM, and that THEY, even the HOUSE of ISRAEL, are MY PEOPLE, saith YH’SHWH GOD.

EZEK 34:31 And YE MY FLOCK, the FLOCK of MY PASTURE, are MEN, and I AM your GOD, saith YH’SHWH GOD.

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The SHEPHERD

JN 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

JN 10:2 But HE that entereth in by the door is the SHEPHERD of the SHEEP.

JN 10:3 To HIM the PORTER openeth; and the SHEEP hear HIS VOICE: and HE calleth HIS OWN SHEEP by NAME, and leadeth THEM out.

JN 10:4 And when HE putteth forth HIS OWN SHEEP, HE goeth before THEM, and the SHEEP follow HIM: for they know HIS VOICE.

JN 10:5 And a stranger will THEY not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

JN 10:6 This parable spake YH’SHWH unto them: but they understood not what things they were which HE spake unto them.

JN 10:7 Then said YH’SHWH unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I AM the DOOR of the SHEEP.

JN 10:8 All that ever came before ME are thieves and robbers: but the SHEEP did not hear them.

JN 10:9 I AM the DOOR: by ME if any man enter in, HE shall be SAVED, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

JN 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I AM come that THEY might have LIFE, and that THEY might have it more abundantly.

JN 10:11 I AM the GOOD SHEPHERD: the GOOD SHEPHERD giveth HIS LIFE for the SHEEP.

JN 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the SHEEP are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the SHEEP, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth THEM, and scattereth the SHEEP.

JN 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the SHEEP.

JN 10:14 I AM the GOOD SHEPHERD, and know MY SHEEP, and AM known of MINE.

JN 10:15 As ABBA knoweth ME, even so know I ABBA: and I lay down MY LIFE for the SHEEP.

JN 10:16 And other SHEEP I have, which are not of this FOLD: THEM also I must bring, and THEY shall hear MY VOICE;

and there shall be ONE FOLD, and ONE SHEPHERD.

WE are ONE.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Thummim** · 07-18-2002, 09:10 AM

Worthless shepherds?

...Ricoel, so YHWH hates the worthless shepherds who abandon the flock to slaughter, as did "Jesus"? Certainly what followed "Jesus" is what is expressed in the verses of text that you just listed. He did no work of liberating his people. He seems in every way to be what is spoken of in a worthless shepherd that brings no peace to his people, but sells them to foreign powers. Read these verses of text again, and ask yourself, "isn't "Jesus" a good example of what the author is writing about, YHWH saying that he himself will have to gather his flock out of the mouths of the foreign powers to which the worthless shepherds adandons them?

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mat. 8: 11, 12

42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. Mat. 12: 42

42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! {???} but now they are hid from thine eyes.

43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. Lk. 19: 42 - 44

...These are not the comforting words of a good shepherd. Neither is this how Jerusalem is to be addressed.

1 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.

2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of YHWH'S hand double for all her sins.

3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of YHWH, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Isa. 40: 1 - 3 {see Mat. 3: 3}

...Certainly, something else was prophecied by these words that we have exchanged, other than what followed "Jesus".

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 07-19-2002, 04:40 AM

MICHAEL,

The only food I have is YH'SHWH's WORD/LAW. If I "eat" that and that only, according to HIS WORD, all my needs will be provided. HE will be my LIFE. HE will give me my needs and my provisions. This is what HE PROMISES, if I swallow HIS WORD into me and become "what I eat". HIS WORD.

That is my SAVING. That is how I AM SHEPHERDED. The "death" of separation from YH'SHWH is done with; "it is finished". I AM SPIRIT and my body will die, but I WILL NOT!

"The only ONE that returns to ABBA is the ONE that comes from ABBA." I must mesh "me" with HIS SPIRIT and BE ONE. Then, and only then, may I return to ABBA.

That is the only reason YH'SHWH, HIMSELF, came back for US. Death had been introduced into HIS CREATION, by human sin, and HE had to redeem that death. HE is the only ONE, HOLY enough, to do it.

MICHAEL, YOU are SAVED. YOU just don't want it or YOU think YOU don't need it. HE comes for the "sick"; the ONE's who need HIS SALVATION. YOU are pressing YOUR nose against YH'SHWH while HE just wants to kiss YOU.

GOD, HIMSELF, came to SAVE YOU. YOU not your body. YOU will be HIS BODY. A denser SPIRIT, like "WATER". YOU must be reborn, SPIRITUALLY. Once out of this body WE will be like HIM. WE will not be GOD, HE is GOD, but WE will be HIM.

My hand is me, but not the me that thinks and exists. My body is me, but not the me that IS. Same with US. As HIS BODY, WE will be like HIM, but not HIM.

I AM telling YOU TRUTH. Today, believe what YOU want.

YH'SHWH still LOVES YOU.

LOVE, RICOEL

**Thummim** · 07-19-2002, 10:22 AM

The first choice.

Ricoel writes;

The only food I have is YH'SHWH's WORD/LAW.

...And yet Ricoel, if you cannot except the {words/law} of YHWH also, to build upon them, you are truly without the blessing contained in those words. Who will tell the JEWish people, that their warfare is ended? Put this verse of text in the right place, and you will know who builds upon lies. Test all the pillars with open eyes. Only by the name of YHWH can you be saved. It is to those who call upon this name, that salvation is promised. Once you have decided upon another name, you have condemned yourself to darkness.

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10 Who is among you that feareth YHWH, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of YHWH, and stay upon his Eloheem. Isa. 50: 10

...Baruch hashem, there is only one name of salvation, a name that lasts forever, remembered as YHWH for all generations. Can you build upon the truth, Ricoel?

...You have a choice in which name you choose serve.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 07-28-2002, 01:44 AM

YH'SAVES

I will worship the ONE who has SAVED ME!!!!!!!

YH'SHWH = YH'SAVES

LOVE,

RICOEL

**Thummim** · 07-28-2002, 09:25 AM

Just another idol.

...Ricoel, I agree that YAH saves. But "Jesus" doesn't. A man-god seems foolish. Men have made their idols of wood, stone and metal. Now they make them out of human flesh and call that flesh, their own flesh. Yea, and the idol worshipers think they have a really good one this time.

....Michael

**DeAnna** · 08-13-2002, 06:55 AM

Shalom Michael,
Yah be with you.

Quote:
Michael: "That name, is needed by the law of man and Gd, to verify ownership."

D: The "word" … NAME… the word "sh,m"(shortened) sh,w,m: Prim. Root… and it means;
"He who establishes a thing.", He who brings a thing about, he who causes a thing to come forth."

It is by the NAME or the DOING or the "establishing" of Yah… that a lying tongue is kept far from
me. IT is NOT by MY NAME or my "own doing".

Yah tells us not to "speak" the NAME (or the "doing" or the "establshing" or the WORKS )
of "another" mighty one.

If I say to someone… "wear this stone around your neck and it will BRING you money".
I just mentioned the name/doing of another, other then Yah, (The Existing One)
If I say; "this cross protects me from evil"… I just mentioned the NAME of ANOTHER,
OTHER, Then Yah Himself, the one and only creator.

"I come in my fathers NAME, and ye receive me not. If ANOTHER come in his OWN NAME
(his "own" doing) him, ye will receive."

We are made of the earth, "we" are the "land", yes there is a physical land, and I know you hate to
"spiritualize" the scriptures… but hey… we ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE WHO IS SPIRIT Here.
If you want to know about "man", your right, keep it as physical as you can!
Want to know about Yah? Well GUESS WHAT… HE is SPIRIT and NOT physical.
Do you NOT think "The Holy Spirit" has a "spiritual" voice?

It is by His spirit, that we move and breath and have our being.
It is by His spirit, that we "conceive" and "give birth". Wheather it be a phsyical child, or His Word
In us, and comes forth through us. Which IS His "son" or "first born", For the FIRST thing that
"comes forth" from the Existing One, YHWH… is His WORD. For Yah "speaks" it, and thus it is so.

Wisdom claims to be there before any. And so it is true, for it was through GREAT wisdom that Yah speaks. And brings forth.

"What, shall I bring to the birth, and NOT give strength to bring FORTH?"

Yah-shua (Yahs salvation) testifies; "it is not "I" that "doeth" the WORKS, it is the FATHER IN ME,
HE… "doeth" the works.

He also said that he has "made known" THE FATHERS NAME (His works, His doings)
unto the diciples.

When Father says: "I will mix the seed of man, and beast"…
Do you think this is phsyical? Do you not think this is symbolic of "something"?
Or do you think we came from apes?

Do you think that physical blood of that physical lamb saved the physical lives of the physical
First born? Or do you think this was SYMBOLIC of a "Higher" meaning, or understanding of
YAHS purpose and plan? And is He not "consistant"?

Do we even think He HAS a plan? And if so, what… are we just "messing it up"?
THINK ABOUT IT. NOTHING is outside of the CREATOR OF ALL.
You "charge" the X-tians of the world, you dear soul, but in truth, you charge their MAKER.
And their "maker" is YOUR maker, because there is ONLY ONE.

And the X-tians that charge the jews, the same is true.
THERE ARE MANY MANSIONS IN MY FATHERS HOUSE.

Do you think there are physical mansions in the spirit? Or is it safe to say this is symbolic or
"spiritual"?

It seems to me that "tabernacle/house/mansions/temple" are all symbolic of our understanding in which we
"dwell". For our "understanding" is truly "where" we live. Sometimes we are in the "Temple"
offering repentence, or song, or thanksgiving or whathave you. Sometimes we are in a "mansion"
when we see revelations, when the Father reveals HimSELF, and we stand there in awe.
Sometimes we are in our "house", just doing nothing, wandering what we should do or living a very
Physical moment or what have you. Sometimes we are in our "Tabernacle" talking to Father about
His laws and commands and His ways, and His thoughts etc. Just like a friend. Just like when Yah
With Moses face to face.

"faith" in the things we call "true" determins the "strength" of our house.

Yah will give us many "witnesses" to the "truth". "For out of the mouth of 2-3 witnesses shall
A thing be established." If it is so in the phsyical, it is so in the spirit.

So I can look at "nature" as a "witness" toward "establishing" in my heart and mind, the law of
"The Creator of all". I can look at all things manifested and ask Yah… "What does that witness too?"
What does it tell me about YOU? And YOUR purpose and plan. What does it tell me about the
WORKS OF YOU. (not us).

May we all return unto the house(faith) of David and pray; "o'Yah, CREATE in me, a pure heart".
Because HE is the ONLY one Righteous, and only HE may establish a "righteous" thing.
For He and He only IS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, and without him, THERE IS NONE.
So why tell man to be righteous? Why not tell man ABOUT the one who is,and can make them so.

Pray for the X-tians michael. Pray that their hearts turn unto Yah, that they put their TRUST in HIM
Not themselves, or man. That they may receive that "new heart", that Yah may work a work in them,
Just as we pray he works in us. That His laws may be written on their hearts, and they be cleansed of
Their iniquity, that HE may FULFILL the Word He has given. And He will.
For His "own" NAMEsake. For He is the establisher of all things far and wide, deep and high, there
Is no limit nor boundries of his doings. None can hinder Him.

Love,
D'

**Thummim** · 08-13-2002, 10:05 AM

Spiritual realities?

...DeAnna writes;

Do you think that physical blood of that physical lamb saved the physical lives of the physical
First born? Or do you think this was SYMBOLIC of a "Higher" meaning, or understanding of
YAHS purpose and plan? And is He not "consistant"?

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...The truth demands that we look a little farther into the blood of the pascel lamb. Let us start by drawing a circle around Egypt, and see it in contrast to the world. Immediatly we can see that the circle is a very small one. It does not cover the world. It only covers Egypt. The blood of the pascel lamb will not be needed to cover anything but the openings of the doors and windows of the covenanted peoples homes. No one else can benifit from it being used. No firstborn of the Egyptians is spared from death by it. And only the firstborn are at threat. Neither is the world at threat from lacking the blood of the covenant. Only those who keep YHWH's people captive against YHWH's will, are to know the wrath of YHWH. In this deed of liberating his people, YHWH makes a name for himself. Now the persecuters of Israel know who is Eloheem. I ask you, was a single non-JEW saved by the symbolic blood of the covenant? Moses tells us that the blood is a sign of the brit {a covenant as in "cut"} {Ex. 24: 7, 8} that exists between Israel and their Eloheem. How than can a people who are not in covenant, benefit from the blood? No one out of the covenant benefited at all. And only Israel's captors who enslaved them, perished. How than is there a sign in anything in the telling of this story of the first Exodus, of YHWH having a plan to save the worlds people, and from whom are they to be saved? If the world wasn't targeted by YHWH, than it should be simple enough to determine who is at risk of YHWH's wrath. Now of all the worlds faiths, which one is the chief oppressor of the JEWish people? Isn't it christianity? How many JEWish lives has Islam cost? Until a charge was levied against JEWs for retaking the land of Israel, the tally of JEWish lives lost to Moslems, was small. But christianity has a charge to levi against the JEWish people.

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Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Matt. 27: 25

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Jn. 15: 6

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...By the faith of Rome, and their own book assymbled by their own hands, the JEWs are accused. Then the sentence is carried out. What a coincidence? But it was the name of "YHWH" that was charged. This world did not know the name of the Eloheem of the JEWish people. A portion of a name cannot exist, unless the name exists in its entirety first. YaHudaH is the name from which all the letters in the name of YHWH were taken. The holocaust isn't the first oppression of the JEWish people, to be carried out by christians. Christianity was already well practiced in oppressing JEWs. Now I spiritually determine that it is the christians of this world, that YHWH will most likely drown in his wrath. After all, the charge that is levied against his people, is against his own name. Don't you think that he will defend his name? YHWH is an Eloheem who will execute justice, and the chief oppressors of his people are the followers of the faith of Rome. Now how deep does any faith in the salvation of JEWs go, in this faith of Rome? How many JEWs are really saved? Give me a percentage.

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He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jn. 3: 18

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other {name}: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4: 10 - 12 {YHWH of course disagrees}

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you [the faith that Rome creates}, --> let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any manpreach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal. 1: 8, 9

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Jn. 18: 36

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...Is this a vulgar attempt to seize the gates of heaven? Even the name of YHWH is made to bow to the authority of the name of "Jesus".

...DeAnna writes;

He also said that he has "made known" THE FATHERS NAME (His works, His doings)
unto the diciples.

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...If "Jesus" would have made known the name of YHWH, he would have built upon rock of David, the name of YaHudaH. {Ex. 28: 21} But he had no knowledge of hashem and didn't build upon the sacred name, as did all of the author's of the tanakh, {excepting the author of the book of Esther}.

...If I wanted to destroy the name of YaHudaH, I would need some sort of charge that would rally the worlds people against it. It would be hard to levi a more serious charge against the JEWish people, than that which the faith of Rome did. How do you tell the christian people, that we didn't kill the messiah, since there is no love of the truth in them. They shun the truth with spiritual realities that they invent.

....Michael

**DeAnna** · 08-17-2002, 12:28 PM

Shalom Michael,
Yah be with you.

I am so sorry for taking soooo long to respond to you. I have attempted many times, but life just keeps happening to me. (smile) I tried not to make it so long, but didn't want to "cheat" ya.. .ya know.
I tried to respond to your statements the best I could

Michael: The truth demands that we look a little farther into the blood of the pascel lamb. Let us start by drawing a circle around Egypt, and see it in contrast to the world. Immediatly we can see that the circle is a very small one. It does not cover the world. It only covers Egypt. The blood of the pascel lamb will not be needed to cover anything but the openings of the doors and windows of the covenanted peoples homes. No one else can benifit from it being used.

DeAnna: Well, it doesn't say no one else can "benefit" from it, but no one else "did" it.
But touching on the blood only being on the doors and windows… Do you know "why" it was
To be put on the doors and windows? Do we think that Yah just pulled that out of his hat? Or was
There a "purpose" for it?

Doors denote "entrance" and "exits" to "somewhere". Windows are much the same but more "visual". And "Letting" light into the tabernacle/home/dwelling.(just something to think about)

Michael: No firstborn of the Egyptians is spared from death by it. And only the firstborn are at threat.
Neither is the world at threat from lacking the blood of the covenant. Only those who keep
YHWH's people captive against YHWH's will, are to know the wrath of YHWH.

DeAnna: Well, first of all Michael, the paschal lamb is not the "blood of the covenant". In fact, they had not even received the "blood of the covenant" yet. And "why" did Yah "come down" to "save" his people to begin with? Who did he really save? A "blood line"? OR those that "cried unto him"?
Remember what Yah said to Cain?
"The VOICE of THY BROTHERS BLOOD crieth out to me."
Then Yah "marks" Cain that no MAN may "slay" him. And it was not a man that slew the "first born" (Not unlike Cain) of Egypt, now was it… but it was Yah.

Egypt denotes "bondage" by the way. And if one does not have "Yahs salvation", one is most certainly in bondage, and none can slay this deal we have with bondage or death, BUT Yah.
And all of the physical that we turn to for "help" is in truth our "first born". Or what we believed first. What "manifested" in our hearts and mind first, is our first born.
And if it is not "Yah"… it shall be slain by the truth. When YAH (not man) pours out his truth/spirit/rain/knowledge upon them.

Michael: "In this deed of liberating his people, YHWH makes a name for himself. "

DeAnna: HalleluYah for that brother. And it is TRUE… when Yah "liberates" someone from bondage… They do know that it was HE that "established it" and NOT THEIR Self… thereby "making a NAME; "one who establishes a thing", for HIMself. Not us. Though He GIVES us His Name when He establishes a thing through us and in us. That is if we believe HE is the ONE "doing the work", and "working a work IN us". Because that IS truly what "name' > Means.

Michael: Now the persecutors of Israel know who is Eloheem. I ask you, was a single non-JEW saved by the symbolic blood of the covenant?

DeAnna: It does not say that I know of. However… Josephs children had Egyptian blood in them. But the thing is, it was the "slaves", or those that were in "bondage" that were being "saved", not those that weren't. Those that were not in bondage (or thought they weren't) were the one's being slain.

"I did not come to call the righteous, but the sinners" says Yahs salvation. Why? Because only the "sinners" are in "bondage". Those that put their trust in Yah, are saved. Those that don't, well…
there is weeping and gnashing of teeth until they do.
It was true in the physical days of Israel and Egypt, and it is true for anyone today.

Michael: Moses tells us that the blood is a sign of the brit {a covenant as in "cut"} {Ex. 24: 7, 8}
that exists between Israel and their Eloheem. How than can a people who are not in covenant, benefit from the blood?

DeAnna: Okay… lets break this down… first, we see that the "blood" is a SIGN. A "sign" is:"Symbolic" is it not?
Of what? The covenant/promise/oath that Yah makes with the children of Israel, and it is "about" what they will do and not do, and what HE will 'DO' IN the LAND that Yah has PROMISED them. The Land of Canaan, which means; "humility, to be humble, to be humbled".
Yah doesn't call his people "sheep" and "flock" and "lambs" and "goats" for nothing.
And those that have the "blood" of the lamb, or the "voice" of the lamb on the "doors" (speaking) and windows (vison) of their "tabernacle" or their dwelling, Their "understanding", their first born shall be saved. A lamb is meek and a most "mild" creature. They will let 'bout anything be done unto them. They go wherever they are led. They have no malice in them. Please at least "talk" to Yah about these things and ask him yourself. Truly you know by now, that He reveals HimSELF to those that seek him, or I don't think you would be here.

Michael: No one out of the covenant benefited at all. And only Israel's captors who enslaved them, perished. How than is there a sign in anything in the telling of this story of the first Exodus, of YHWH having a plan to save the worlds people, and from whom are they to be saved?

DeAnna: Well… it's obvious that you relate "Israel" to a bloodline, and not a "faith". I do not believe that when Yah speaks of Israel, he speaks of a "blood line". But speaks of ALL who "cry unto him", and "contends with him" as some believe that is what Israel means, OR believes that Yah perseveres, which is what "I" believe Israel means. Or what I lean toward anyway, according to Hebrew they are both correct. But either way, it is those that are TALKING to THEIR MAKER. And putting their TRUST in THEIR MAKER, and not man, and not themselves. I call these Israel, whether born that way or adopted. (become, this way, by the spirit of Yah).

Michael: If the world wasn't targeted by YHWH, than it should be simple enough to determine
who is at risk of YHWH's wrath. Now of all the worlds faiths, which one is the chief oppressor of the JEWish people? Isn't it christianity? How many JEWish lives has Islam cost? Until a charge was levied against JEWs for retaking the land of Israel, the tally of JEWish lives lost to Moslems, was small.
But christianity has a charge to levi against the JEWish people.

DeAnna: Come… let us "reason" together Michael… think about it. Lets say you are the creator of all Existence. You are the potter, and all else, is the clay, that you formed. Then you give your formations, or creations (some of it) "blood". They now have a "voice". Some of your creation talks to each other, and checks out everything, and has an opinion about everything, and you just sat back to "see" what they would say, and "call" things. You checked out your creations "opinion". And it all fell short of the truth of the matter. Though you created it, it did not 'think like you, nor were their "ways' your ways.
But there are some, that "talk to YOU". And ASK you about "Your ways, and thoughts" etc. WHO are you going to continue on with? WHO are you going to continue to "work a work" in/with? WHO are you going to "teach"? Those that talked with you and kept you in remembrance? Or those who did not?

Those "men" way back "when"… litterally killing NOT ONLY JEWS but ALL that would not follow their "ways". These were not talking and walking and listening to their creator, they were talking and walking and listening to men! And we are all guilty of it in some form or another.

But as Yahs Salvation says; "There cometh a time when men shall persecute you and kill you and THINK that do the FATHER a "Service".

But Yah says He will "dwell" in the THICK Darkness, so even when one is in darkness and gnashing of teeth, He is STILL right there ready to save all that cry unto Him, and believe that He is indeed there. And His DESIRE is TOWARD them, and NOT "against" them, as the adversary convinced Eve, saying; "For Yah does know that in the day that YE EAT (knowledge of good and evil) ye shall be like GODS (Judges) know "good and evil". Causing Eve to BELIEVE that Yah was SOMEHOW >
AGAINST HER. And that it was really a "good" thing for her to "Be Like G-d"!

I read where you to "ricoil" (sorry if misspelled) Michael:
"12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness:there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mat. 8:11,12

...These are not the comforting words of a good shepherd. Neither is this how Jerusalem is to be addressed."

DeAnna: But Michael, that is in a nut shell what Yah says to Jerusalem… Do you argue with Yah? And how shall one determine when and how Yah shall fulfill his word?

Zephaniah 1:4 I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon ALL the inhabitants of JERUSALEM; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the PRIESTS.

8 And it shall come to pass in the day of YAH'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the KINGS CHILDREN, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, YAH will not do good, neither will he do evil.
Well, there is more... but it wouldn't let me post it all.
Yah bless!

Love,
D'

**Thummim** · 08-18-2002, 10:06 AM

A covenanted people.

DeAnna writes;

DeAnna: Well, first of all Michael, the paschal lamb is not the "blood of the covenant". In fact, they had not even received the "blood of the covenant" yet.

...Sorry DeAnna, Moses seems to disagree with you. He clearly calls the blood that he has sprinkled upon Israel, the blood of the "brit" in the following verses of text. While not the blood of a pascel lamb, all the blood of the sacrificial animals reflects the "brit". {covenant}

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6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basins; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.

7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that YHWH hath said will we do, and be obedient.

8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which YHWH hath made with you concerning all these words. {the covenant that Moses serves, already exists}

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...all of the blood of the slaughtered animals represent the covenant that the people of Israel are already entered into. The word for "covenant" is {brit}. It means "cut". This covenant is "cut" in the 15th chapter of Genesis, with Abraham.

DeAnna writes;

And "why" did Yah "come down" to "save" his people to begin with?

...YHWH didn't come down to save his people. He created them. He told Abraham that Isaac would be born of a ninety year old woman to him. This YHWH did. He made himself a people. When YHWH met Abraham, Israel wasn't even in existance to "save".

DeAnna writes;

DeAnna: It does not say that I know of. However… Josephs children had Egyptian blood in them. But the thing is, it was the "slaves", or those that were in "bondage" that were being "saved", not those that weren't. Those that were not in bondage (or thought they weren't) were the one's being slain.

...It was only the firstborn of those who were in the covenant, who were saved by the blood. No one else. What blood flows through ones veins is of little concern to YHWH except in specific cases. That is denoted in "strangers" being allowed to join the covenant.

DeAnna writes;

"I did not come to call the righteous, but the sinners" says Yahs salvation. Why? Because only the "sinners" are in "bondage". Those that put their trust in Yah, are saved. Those that don't, well…
there is weeping and gnashing of teeth until they do.
It was true in the physical days of Israel and Egypt, and it is true for anyone today.

...You're getting a little to "christian" for me here. I do not believe in having ones soul saved. What happens to ones soul is only up to he who gave it. I cannot buy my soul out of YHWH's wrath by my own actions, so as to be "saved" by him. {though all righteousness counts towards a world of peace} Many people cannot be "saved" no matter how righteous they act. Did YHWH save any other people in this world, but his own? The Egyptian firstborn died, no matter how much blood they covered their windows and doors with. But all other people were not in YHWH's wrath, and they needed no "blood" to save themselves. Blood is used in serving the covenant.

DeAnna writes;

DeAnna: Well… it's obvious that you relate "Israel" to a bloodline, and not a "faith".

...No DeAnna, I don't. I relate Israel to their covenant which Abraham "cut" with their Eloheem. The sign of the covenant is cut into the flesh of all male children. Israel carries their covenant in their flesh.

DeAnna writes;

DeAnna: But Michael, that is in a nut shell what Yah says to Jerusalem… Do you argue with Yah? And how shall one determine when and how Yah shall fulfill his word?

Zephaniah 1:4 I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon ALL the inhabitants of JERUSALEM; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the PRIESTS.

...In order to know what is being talked about, we must also read Zephaniah 1: 1

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1 The word of YHWH which came unto Zephaniah the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hizkiah, in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah.

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...These words concern the captivity of Judah, by Babylon. Later this people are freed from this captivity with an everlasting salvation {according to Isa. 45: 17} and meet an Eloheem who decrees through his prophet, "Never again will he be wrath with Israel". This is to be as the covenant which YHWH made with Noah. {forever - Isa. 54: 9}

...Yah says to his servant;

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1 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.

2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of YHWH'S hand double for all her sins.

3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of YHWH, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Isa. 40: 1, 2

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...Something amiss with those who quote biblical text, is any notion of time. And yet, most texts say something about the timing of their prophecied events, so we don't go and create a whole nother interpretation of them.

...DeAnna, some of what you have written is rather rambling in nature and hard to answer too. If I missed commentary on something important to you, let me know.

....Michael

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