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  • The High Council

    shalom to you all
    Hey guys
    just wanted to make a comment first
    This reminds meso much of the Sanhedrin...
    Kind of cool- but its a great division.
    I mean i know we dont place judgements of life and death on anyone here or anywhere else.
    However, we do discuss spritual matters as our brothers did before us.
    There are Tzaddukim and Prushim here.
    Truth is , I would (i find it cool) call myself and play the role of a Prushi rather than a tzadoki...
    who in this sanhedrin is who?
    I already have my "labels" but, everyone...please label yourself for this form of sanhedrin.

    well... I'll put my second thought later.


  • #2
    UNITY in any Council

    When any CELLS of YH'SHWH's BODY discuss HIS WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation) it is called a council. Whether high or low YH'SHWH decides and/or knows.

    Any CELLS of YH'SHWH's BODY are important and so the Council is important.

    Unity in any Council is important.

    No group of any CELLS "agreeing" are unimportant or insignificant. Now, WE may not agree on the same things, but that should strengthen our UNITY because WE should realize that WE need each other.

    Does “unity” mean that we all should believe the same?


    WE are the BODY of YH'SHWH. Each of US has a part/an assignment to do. No ONE knows my relationship with YH'SHWH and there should be no judgement against me, from another, by comparing their relationship with HIM. WE, ALL of US, are ONE.

    No CELL is more important than the other. WE just have different assignments.

    WE should treat all people, that confess that MESSIAH YH'SHWH is their SALVATION and they submit to HOLY SPIRIT, as HE would. No ONE comes to HIM unless they know/believe that HE died for their SALVATION. WE should act as HE would.
    WE are HIS PRESENCE here on earth.

    I have adjusted my life to fit YH'SHWH's WORD (the LAW) because HE has SAVEd me, HIMSELF, through MESSIAH. That is what HE has taught me. If ONE sees me different, it is because I AM.

    I live in this world, but I AM not of it.
    Now, it is a lie from hell when "believers" teach that WE should all be the same.

    Our differences should be our strength. Our differences, through HOLY SPIRIT, should make US helpful to each other. I need people, around me, that are different than me; not the same.

    WE are all important to YH'SHWH. WE cannot all be a hand, an arm, a heart, a leg, etc. What if the hand, thinking it is better that the arm because it can grip, tries to teach the arm to be a hand and then the arm starts trying to grip. Both would become useless to the body in their ignorance.

    I do not expect you or anyone else to believe like I do.

    In OUR differences, WE need each other. In OUR differences, WE should find it easier to live with each other. In OUR differences, WE should be able to help each other, through HOLY SPIRIT, in such unique ways. If there be ONE other like me; ONE of US is useless.

    Stand firm in your relationship to YH'SHWH.
    No ONE knows HIM like YOU do.

    Don't worry how I try to follow HIS LAWS (YH'SHWH’s WORD - Genesis to Revelation), how I celebrate HIS FESTIVALS and that, at times, it may seem I follow HIS WORD too literally. HIS WORD is a joy to ME.

    Don't judge me.

    Judge by "fruits". If ONE claims to believe and follow what YH'SHWH says, in HIS WORD, it will show in ONE's life and ways. LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, FAITHFULNESS, GENTLENESS, and SELF-CONTROL are the "fruits" of ONE possessed by and submitted to YH'SHWH’s HOLY SPIRIT.

    Galatians 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of YH'SHWH.

    GAL 5:22 But the fruit of HOLY SPIRIT is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAITHFILNESS, 23 GENTLENESS and SELF-CONTROL. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to MESSIAH YH'SHWH have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by HOLY SPIRIT, let us keep in step with HOLY SPIRIT. 26 By not becoming conceited and provoking and envying each other.

    If any ONE claims to know YH'SHWH's SPIRIT and they do not "fruit" the fruits of HIS SPIRIT that ONE is denying YH'SHWH's SPIRIT.

    John 14:15 "If you love ME, you will obey what I COMMAND. 16 And I will ask ABBA, and HE will give you another COUNSELOR to be with you forever-- 17 HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH. The world cannot accept HIM, because it neither sees HIM nor knows HIM. But you know HIM, for HE lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see ME anymore, but you will see ME. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I AM in ABBA, and YOU are in ME, and I AM in YOU. 21 Whoever has MY COMMANDS and obeys them, he is ONE who loves ME. He who loves ME will be loved by ABBA, and I too will love him and show MYSELF to him."

    Let HIM be the judge. Judge not, less YOU be judged.

    [B]These are the one’s to watch out for.[B]

    Matthew 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    Again, WE are CELLS of HIS BODY.
    LOVE each other.
    Not with "self-righteous" feelings but,
    by treating each other good and right, with YHWH's LOVE in US,
    no matter what YOU think and
    no matter how YOU feel.

    Treat others good and right no matter what you think and no matter how you feel. This is LOVE.

    Don't let our differences keep US apart.
    Let our differences be our Strength.

    The "fruit" of HIS SPIRIT is OUR only likeness.

    WE are ONE!!!

    The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

    I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
    That is why I SAVED YOU.
    For ME.



    • #3

      if this is your focus, motive and nature...
      you as a brother
      please help encouraging me and show me that love....
      That is what gives life does it not?

      I will let you know RicoEl
      that now i am being shown all the false pride that i have hidden inside me... it seems that everytime i share the "good news" now-- there is a secret motive in me, and it has now been shared with me.... i hate it... everytime i speak it is there...even writting to you now.
      I cannot share the good news like this. Nor do i want to... it's a horrible thing.
      Yah bless you


      • #4

        Dear Antotiyah,

        Our GOD YH'SHWH put this "thing" in us that makes us want to survive. Once WE learn HIS TRUTH, WE know that submitting to HIM, knowing HIM, talking to HIM, and talking about HIM will help US survive and stay with HIM.

        This is not pride. This is the want to survive. Of course, to survive ONE must submit (die to self) to YH'SHWH's SALVATION, HIS SPIRIT, and HIS WORD/LAW (Genesis to Revelation).

        SALVATION is almost a "free ride". All I have to do is believe that HE has SAVED ME.

        JN 6:28 Then said they unto HIM, What shall we do, that we might work the WORKS of GOD?
        JN 6:29 YH'SHWH answered and said unto them, This is the WORK of GOD, that ye believe on HIM whom HE hath sent.

        It is almost in shame that I say,
        "the only reason I LOVE YH'SHWH is because HE LOVED ME first."

        I AM a reaction to HIS LOVE and so are you. WE have no LOVE. It is HIS LOVE in US that makes US react.

        WE are HIS RE-ACTION; HIS MOVEMENTS here on earth.

        WE are HIS BODY; HIS TEMPLE.

        So, BE!!! Survive!!!

        WE are ONE!!!

        LOVE, RICOEL
        The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

        I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
        I CREATED YOU for ME.
        That is why I SAVED YOU.
        For ME.



        • #5
          My Particular Bias!

          Hi AntotiYAH,

          Don't be so hard on yourself, my brother! If you did not know, I will tell you that it has been my dream for a long time to be chosen by Messiah Yahushua to sit on the high council that Messiah will establish as the Second Temple is being built. You know Messiah worked 3 1/2 years to build the First Temple. At the end of those 3 and 1/2 years, Messiah had added 120 stones (Acts 1:15) to himself. Messiah is the cornerstone. No doubt the 120 were all part of the foundation. It is interesting to note that the number 120 is the minimum required by Jewish Oral Tradition to establish a "Small Sanhedrin". The Small Sanhedrin was "a minor court (for judicial purposes only) consisting of twenty-three members" (The Soncino Talmud Index, Glossary, Page 742). The Great Sanhedrin itself consisted of seventy-one members. This larger court could declare war. It could convict a false prophet. The High Priest was the Nasi (chief, patriarch) of the Great Sanhedrin. The Ab (father of the court) presided in the absence of the Nasi.

          The smallest Jewish Court was the Beth Din. A Beth Din could be established for a minyan, a congregation of 10 members. A Beth Din consisted of three members. I am reminded here that Messiah said that whenever two or three are gathered together in his name that he is in the midst (in his "name" means in his "work"). Why just two? Because when you count two and then include Messiah, you have a sufficient number for a Beth Din. So, a court of two is sufficient to make certain decisions.

          In discussing these things with you, I am betraying my particular bias as you did request. This information also shows that Messiah himself has a particular bias. Yes, Messiah does respect oral tradition, but only to a point.

          It is still difficult for me to point blank declare to you how I view myself. I am torn in my allegiance. With respect to the physical fulfillment of the Law, I am Tzaddikim. I do not religiously follow tradition; yet, with respect to the spiritual fulfillment of the Torah, I am Pharisee, and I will do my best to protect the position and interest of Messiah. I exist to glorify Messiah.

          If you can recall the days in which the Lo Ammi Forum was still under the heading of "Tzaddikim", you can remember that the colors were scarlet and white. I choose those colors. Now if you look, the scarlet and white are surrounded by blue. I did not choose the color blue. So, whatever Lo Ammi may be, is determined by others.

          I am honored to serve with you in any capacity that Messiah does determine for us, and, yes, there is great strength in diversity, but the greatest strength is indeed found in love.

          Sincerely, Spying
          The Currahee Band Of Brothers Are Beginning To Arise In The HOLY PLACE! Listen to them!!!


          • #6
            Many thanks

            Many Many thanks to you both
            and Yah
            I guess we qualify for a beit Din

            and thank you both for sharing Love with me...

            I really want to learn more of Him...its just that the display of Opinions never cease.
            Tye only thing that matters is that we love Yah and obey Him..
            But it even seems impossible to do that.
            I hope that i will be ready for Him by the 8th day....
            but , enough about these problems

            I understand spying
            I am somewhat torn myself...
            I personally hold strong to the name of Pharisee because indeed I am of Perez...a seperator, in a sence
            but then i am also a Saducee, a tzaddik, I am righteous by the Arm of Vindication, when He was raised I was also raised...since He has life, I have it aswell.
            So since He, our Yah is righteous, the rightous branch, who itself is the root and life giving source- allof us are righteous...

            I am jut very afraid of pride...i dont like it...
            dont you?
            well....thanks again...
            Yah be with you


            • #7
              Listening is LOVE

              YH'SHWH does not expect me to live/follow HIS WORD/LAW.

              YH'SHWH expects me to submit to HIS SPIRIT, WHO can LIVE/FOLLOW HIS WORD/LAW.

              "...submit yourself, then, to YH'SHWH..."


              As a council WE will need to listen to each other's revelations from HIS SPIRIT. That is the only way WE will learn the whole TRUTH.

              YH'SHWH is after the UNITY of HIS BODY and the way HE can do it is by giving US bits of information. This way, WE need each other to put together, each other's bit, into HIS ONE PLAN.

              " will know THEY are MINE, by the way THEY LOVE each other..."


              The Talmud (Avot 1:8) says, "Be a judge, not a lawyer."
              A lawyer may sometimes advance his position without regard for TRUTH or validity.
              A judge, on the other hand, weighs each side carefully.
              When considering a question as profound and deep as the existence of our unity in YHWH,
              WE must be an impartial jury.


              Listen to what others are saying.

              Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai are two famous disputants in Talmudic literature. They argued about almost everything and saw the world from nearly opposite perspectives. They agreed that they would never agree.

              To elude this trap, we can train ourselves to take other people's ideas seriously. The rule is to stay focused and calm. Communicate and discuss, rather than yell and proclaim. If anxiety, about needing to be right, becomes the primary concern, one becomes entrenched in a position. One gets defensive, interrupting, and responding impetuously. That one has lost the battle.


              Seek friends who challenge you.

              The Talmud tells a story of Rebbi Yochanan, a great scholar who had a study partner named Reish Lakish. The two men studied together for many years until one day Reish Lakish died. Rebbi Yochanan was very depressed. His students were concerned and found Rebbi Yochanan a brilliant young man to study with him.

              Two weeks later, Rebbi Yochanan was seen, still, very depressed. His students asked him, "Why are you still so depressed?

              Rebbi Yochanan stated, "My new partner is so brilliant that whatever I say he brings "proofs" that I'm correct. When I studied with Reish Lakish he showed me "proofs" that I was wrong. I miss that. I don't want someone to agree with me. I want a partner who will challenge my position. In this way, we will arrive at the TRUTH together.

              The Sages say,"Better the criticism of a friend, than a kiss of an enemy." A friend will tell you when you have something in your teeth, an enemy will tell you that you look great.

              ECC 4:9 Two are better than one,
              because they have a good return for their work:

              ECC 4:10 If one falls down,
              his friend can help him up.
              But pity the man who falls
              and has no one to help him up!

              A true friend will challenge me into a better life!!!


              To not ask - is ignorance

              There was a wealthy man named Rav Eisel Charif of Slonim. His daughter was ready to marry and Rav Eisel wanted to find the best young man possible. He traveled to the town of Volozhin. There were students under the tutelage of Rosh Yeshiva, the Netziv, a great teacher. Rav Eisel had a question for Rosh Yeshiva's students.

              Rav Eisel stood in front of the students, one day, and announced, "I have a very difficult question on a passage in the Talmud. Whoever can supply the correct answer will have my daughter's hand in marriage." This caused a buzz of excitement. The students were excited at having a chance of marrying Rav Eisel's daughter.

              For days, students stayed in line to answer the question and, for days, no one came up with the correct answer. Students even returned to try again and again, but still the correct answer was not given. Exhausted, Rav Eisel packed up and began to head out of town.

              Getting to the edge of town, he heard, "Rav Eisel, Rav Eisel!!!" Rav Eisel turned as a young Yeshiva student ran up to him. The young student said,"Rav Eisel, I know I didn't answer the question correctly, but for my own sake, sir, could you please tell me what is the correct answer?

              "Aha!" shouted Rav Eisel. "You will be my son-in-law!!!"

              The pursuit of TRUTH, which leads to UNITY, can be stifled by not asking the right question.

              "I don't know, can you tell me what the answer is/can you explain what you mean?"

              This question ends one's ignorance!!!


              In pride, one will not ask this question.
              Pride is ignorance.


              In our differences, WE can truly be UNITED.

              WE are ONE!!!

              LOVE, RICOEL
              The BODY of MESSIAH Ministry

              I did not CREATE YOU for a certain time.
              I CREATED YOU for ETERNITY.
              I CREATED YOU for ME.
              That is why I SAVED YOU.
              For ME.

              YOUR HUSBAND,