The Eye of the Storm!

[Spying]

Hi Bratu,

Good morning and peace to you. You sense it the same as I, don't you? Look below at the bottom of this thread. Who is the space here provided by? Hurricane Electric! I think that we will get at the eye of the storm!

I also have a copy of our correspondence. I am going to repost below the Agenda Post that I made to you on the EliYah Forum. I will edit my posts or messages to you to reflect your name change on this forum. I request that you do the same for me (please change my name to my pseudonym: Spying). I also expect to slightly edit some personal information that I may have privately given to you. I don't know; I haven't looked to see yet. Please feel free to do the same. I may also edit the way I handled the names of the g-ds in my conversation with you.

Please, repost here your acceptance of the Agenda that you posted to me on the EliYah Forum. Then, I will post next on this thread a copy of my first e-mail to you. We can then alternate posts until we are up to date. I know that I now owe you a reply.

Sincerely, Spying

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Originally posted by Spying: 12-02-2000 on the Methods and Maddness thread of the EliYah Forum

Hi Bratu,

I like you also. Please forgive me concerning renaming you. Many on this Forum will not address you at all if your name contains the elements of a false g-d. They will write posts to you, but they will never call you by name. I think that is rude so I have given you a name so that hopefully they can respond to you properly.

I too am a moulder like yourself. It seems to me that is what it is all about. Change is constant. The issue is really what are we going to be? There is a way I believe that is more ancient than all the ways, and for every way there is a foundation.

I would like to examine foundations with you actually measuring yours so to speak. I know that I will need the approval of EliYah and others for this because there is no way that I can examine your foundation without you doing some teaching. You are going to have to show me what you believe your foundation to be because I am not familiar with your way.

Then with your indulgence, I would like you to see the history of my foundation, and then I want to show you what change is like in my way.

Afterward, I will ask you to count the cost of change. If you like what you see, then I will role up my sheaves because my job as a molder through Messiah Yahshua really begins at that point?

Fair enough, Bratu?

Sincerely, Spying

[Bratu McCaskey]

"Spying,
Interesting i hadn't truely thought of it but it sounds like something of a good idea to me. However, i will warn you that i am not the best teacher as i am still a student as we all are. So if that is what is to be then i will indulge in this and see what is to come of it. You are right change is constant. We will speak further on this to decide what we think the best way to go about something like this will be. again thank you for your tolerance.
Marspital
The Aries"

There is my post to your reply Spying. So now i await what ever is to be next

[Spying]

Please, let's continue: E-mail sent 12-6-2000

Hi Bratu,

First of all, please accept my apologies for the manner in which you were treated by my brothers and sisters on the EliYah Forum. I know that all things work together for the best for those who love YAH so it was probably meant for you to experience what you did experience, but that still does not excuse their atrocious behavior towards you.

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Spying. I live in a western suburb of the City of St. Louis. I am the husband of one wife and the father of six children, five daughters and one son. Prior to this year, I was a concrete contractor. I primarily worked in residential construction. I have learned how to do everything incidental to pouring and finishing concrete flatwork. Thus, I have worked on everything that people commonly walk on. Right now, I am in training to learn how to sell roofs. So, in the late summer or maybe early fall of my life, I am learning a new occupation.

Learning new things is not easy. I would have preferred not to again stretch my wings at this point in my life, but there is a lesson for me to learn also. I would like to follow the agenda that I proposed to you if you are still agreeable. What is your foundation, Bratu? We begin this life with parents. If there are physical parents, there also exists spiritual parents. You have named Set as your Father. Why? What is seminal about Set? Just asking?

Sincerely, Spying

[Bratu McCaskey]

Doh! i apologize spying i do not have any letters prior to the date of 12/9/00. My email automatically gets rid of stuff when it gets to be a certain age. So i apologize if you can put up my letters up until that point then i can pick up from there.

Bratu

[Spying]

Re: Please, let's continue 12-6-2000

Bratu, no problem

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Hello Spying

I guess i will start off by saying that i agree with at you said basically in that i do believe that things happen for a reason. I think that the way i was treated taught me a valuable lesson about those of that religion and for the most part their lack of tolerance. I believe in not casting aspersions towards people if i can help it.

Well i appreciate your honesty and your willingness to go out of your way to be nice to me. I will introduce myself as Bratu. I live in Acworth Georgia and am a student here as i have been for many years. For a living i run an industrial sewing machine and do work for the local schools, mostly building sets and props for their theatre performances.

I agree learning things is not easy i live that daily. I was raised traditional lutheran and baptist christian. which i remained without question for many years. I woke up one day and felt as though i wasn't being honest with myself and what i believe as far as religious and spiritual
things are concerned. So i began to explore and up until this point i have evolved quite a bit. It is hard to know which is which they all seek to confuse the sense and set counter balance to the others. For instance let's say i am a Hindu and something happens to me. To me it is a sign from Vishnu. I begin to question my faith, then is it a lie from a false god Vishnu, or the truth? Or is it a message from another God entirely like Aesma Daeva? That is were the difficulty lies judging where things are and were they aren't. My Father is Set yes, because all that i have searched and sought out to this point has led me to Him. My current devotion to Set is what i have felt is my path from within. I am very instincts led and oriented person. So my foundation is that i am a Follower of Set.

Bratu

[Spying]

Re: Please, let's continue 12-7-2000

Hi Bratu,

Exploring foundations is fun because on the surface you really cannot see the foundation. Usually, we only see the result as you did on the EliYah Forum. Most foundations are hidden, and thus we are required to dig in order to see how they are constructed and what they have been constructed on.

Lutheran? That is interesting to me. I started out as a Lutheran Church MO Synod devotee. So, I know well the foundation of Lutheranism.

Sewing machines? What do you sow? Working on sets and props for the theater I find amusing (I am not thinking of you). In a spiritual sense that is exactly the work that most on the EliYah Forum are doing in their spare time without actually realizing it. So, you do have more in common with them than they thought.

I have a feeling that you are going to learn how to asperse (you made me look up a word) many people.

Exploring! With a name like "Spying", you know exactly what I also spent a great deal of time doing.

Instinctual! Now, we are getting someplace. If you believe that you are instinctual, and if you believe that Set is your father, then Set must also be instinctual. In what manner did Set past this characteristic to you? You know, like father like son? How did he give you this characteristic? Do you believe that all instincts are good? Apparently not! The casting of aspersions is somewhat instinctual, or am I looking at that action wrongly? Maybe instincts are more basic. Anyways, how did you acquire your instincts from Set, and what instincts do you consider the most important?

Looking forward to exploring and digging more with you!!

Have a great day!

Sincerely, Spying

P.S. It gets hot and humid in Missouri, but Georgia in June is the hottest place I have ever been.

[Spying]

Re: Please, let's continue 12-7-2000

Hello Spying

You are absolutely right when peering at the surface you can't see the foundations. Which is why i felt i had something to teach the people at that forum. They only saw what they wanted to see which was an exterior. Hopefully even though maybe they don't admit it i have changed some or atleast gotten some to think about what they are doing. That is all i was after.

"Sewing machines? What do you sow? " Hmmm well i sow change . But i sew embroidery on the machine. I have a love for working with my hands so i have all sorts of strange hobbies, but i love the theatre.

Hmm perhaps your definition of asperse was a bit different than mine. I try not asperse people cause that is a bad thing. I don't know you comment was a bit cryptic or perhaps it just doesn't make sense to me right now. So explain a bit further or re-word it please cause i wasn't sure what you meant.

I am a very instincts driven person. It is a very strong part of my being that i readily embrace. Set in and of himself is an instintual God. That is one of his domains and a very common trate to him. I don't believe that i embrace my instincts or have those instincts because of him but it is a common bond with him amoung other things. What i said and meant was that i don't cast aspersions if i can help it. I think that it is instinctual so some degree because fear inspires things like that. Fear is a basic instinct to some degree. In that fear of for instance somthing that can eat you. Versus the fear of someone challenging what you know. The latter isn't instinctual that is a human quirk that if we don't understand it, we feel it threatens us. The most important instinct is the most basic, Survival. What ever must be done to survive. I also value strength of mind and body. It is important to stand up for you principles and basically be willing to do
whatever you have to, to defend that. It is one thing to pick your fights it is another to run away. "I will not be a victim"-Hatebreed. Those are some of the things that are important to me. As well as the key being true to myself.

Bratu

PS i agree the only place i have ever been that was hotter was Colfax Louisiana in July. That was horrible.

[Spying]

Ok 12-9-2000

I take it my response was unsatisfactory. Well enough. Good luck to you.

Marspital

Bratu

[Spying]

Re: Ok 12-9-2000


Hi Bratu,

Just got your message. Your response was more than satisfactory. I have been absorbed with what is happening at EliYah Forum. They changed the format to eliminate people like ImAHebrew and myself. I hope to give you a reply tomorrow morning.

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

Instincts 12-12-2000

Hi Bratu,

Sorry about the lateness of this reply. Alot has been happening. Apparently, you entered the EliYah Forum just before EliYah decided to change the rules to eliminate all those who do not believe that using the common names like G-d and J-sus is a sin. EliYah Forum is a Sacred Name Forum. Always in the past they have been tolerant of those who use the common names. Now, EliYah has changed the format whereby if you do make a post, you are admitting to him and to the world that you are not a closet user of the common names. ImAHebrew and myself use the common names in our Sabbath fellowships so we by choice cannot now post on the EliYah Forum.

Actually, this is a pretty slick move on EliYah's part. It does get rid of a certain number of us, and I think that is why he did it. It hurts. This is about the third time in my life that I have been removed from a fellowship. It always hurts, but I will not hang my hat in any place where there is not freedom within the fellowship to stand up and question those in authority. Everyone is accountable, and all should have the freedom to stand and relate their disagreement without fear of being excommunicated.

My dictionary gives a definition of asperse which includes the following: 1 : Sprinkle; esp : to sprinkle with holy water.

ImaHebrew and I are both sprinklers. I have a feeling that you also are a sprinkler.

What we do in a physical sense is important. There is a spiritual side to everything. The Hebrews were required to physically sew fringes on their garments. These fringes were reminders of all the commandments of the Law. So, that part of your occupation fits with you being a sprinkler in a spiritual sense. The Law of YAH is what gives border and definition to our lives.

The way you just wrote about Set, he appears to be more like a brother to you than a father. If you have common traits, where did you both get them? I agree that the desire to survive is important, but there are some things more important. Do you have a desire to continue at all costs? Let's say that you were given the power to survive, but the use of that power would destroy everyone else. So, you might survive, but you would be alone. Who wants to be alone? So there must be an instinct more important than survival? How about reproduction? That's instinctual. Is reproduction more important in your mind than survival? Does Set believe that reproduction is more important than survival? Has Set ever reproduced himself?

Sincerely, Spying

[Bratu McCaskey]

Hi Spying

Good to hear from you . As far as Eliyah. I think that he is hiding things. Can't quite put my finger on it but i am usually not wrong about that sort of thing. He is deceptive i think. He eliminated those who choose to use other names because he fears what you have to say. That whole i am right you are wrong no two ways about it mentality breeds monsters and hate. Things like that are what caused the Crusades or the Inquisition or the witch burnings. None of it makes sense and those who secretly fear seek to guise that fear by doing such things. I was corresponding to him in email but i decided that i don't have respect for him so it seemed to me that the answer was to not listen to him at all. The difference between me and him is that i thought about and gave it time before i came to that conclusion he made that judgement with out a basis of knowledge. Therefore to me he no longer exists a waste of space, time, air, and skin. I know this seems a bit harsh but that is how i am with people such as that.

As for survival. Survival is the strongest instinct. Now that can be survival on an indivudual level or a species level. The idea is that the prime motivator for people is the preservation of the species or the self. See what i think is that there has to be a balance of those Instincts and the general mind/intelligence. I am civilized in alot of ways however not in many others. Like you said if it came down between me and the species that is where you need the balance because the one who is tilted to far to one side or the other won't see all there is to see in that light. If i am completely instincts and no coheisive thought then one would rather survive personally than the species depending on the individual's drive. The second though who is all mind and thought and no instinct may not see the consequences of their actions in another respect. Like what will happen to man if they do live. Things of that nature. So i try to be the best balance of the two that i can. Obviously i am using my mind else i wouldn't be able to form these thoughts and ideas for you.

Set isn't really my brother, He is my Father. In the sense of my Patron. Not in the sense that i was birthed by Him. He cares for me and watches over me. He was born of Geb and Nut which is basically earth and sky. In Egypt all were born in two amoungst the Gods. Except Set He burst from His mothers side and there by creating the first strain of chaos that still exists today. One thing is that my law is what gives me my direction and definition. It isn't about what i am told to do it is what i do. Society dictates many laws to us also alot of which would be particularly easy to get away with breaking. Here lies the rub. Do you not break your God's laws because it is wrong or because you fear punishment. The former is the right answer and the reason why i follow society's laws for the most part.
Set never reproduced persay. Anubis in some legend is His son but in others is not. So there is that.

Casting Aspersions also means casting judgement at people. Or slighting them. Hehe you are right though that is another definition of for asperse go to Dictionary.com to see the definition i was using. Yours is in their as well.
We do spread things, what i try to spread is for those people who are having a hard time like i was and are feeling like society and people are what is trapping them. I don't want anyone to feel like they have no where to go so they might as well conform. That isn't what it is about. It is about that personal journey that you have to take and i don't want anyone to feel like society has decided for them and that they haven't decided for themselves. I care about people. No matter how hard i try not to i would sacrifice myself and my time if i thought it would genuinly help people. So i don't want people to go through what i have gone through. My religion isn't what is important to others it is whether I can help them find a religion and an identity of their own. It is my Hero's quest as Joseph Cambell and Randall Crump would put it. So there is my motivation.

Bratu

[Stranger]

Hi gang!

Is this the Wailing Wall of all the exiled ones from the Eliyah Forum?

When are we going to get on the real business of foruming?

[Spying]

Hi Stranger,

Now I know why you would speak to us with such a familiar voice. Indeed, if Bratu had been treated in proper stranger fashion, then there would have been no need to reconstruct this conversation in such an unforuming like fashion. It would already exist.

You are most welcome on this forum, Stranger. I know that you have been deprived of good conversation in your last circumstance. May your plate always be full on Lo Ammi, and may your name be a constant reminder to all of us that we are indeed all strangers in a strange land seeking to inherit the Land of YAH. We thank HIM for the hospitality of your presence and for your friendship.

Sincerely, Spying

[Spying]

Re: Instincts 12-18-2000

Hi Bratu,

I hope this message finds you still in good health. Thank you for your reply.

There is definitely a time to be silent in the presence of an enemy. I view my enemies, like EliYah, also as brothers, and I strive to treat all men alike even if down inside myself I am very angry with them and think of them as not having value to exist. I work, and most often I fail, to look at the individual in the light of what he or she may be rather than what they may actually be. If I hope for them and treat them with respect, maybe I can help them be better. I know for a fact that all experience can help us become greater than what we are.

I agree with you that survival is the greatest instinct. What will a man not give up for his life? We are willing to surrender in order to survive, and that is because we fear what comes after death. Death is the great unknown. We are unclear what awaits us on the other side. We really don't know if we continue. Just as we really don't know where we came from, it is possible that we won't know where we have gone! But death may be no more than just another experience. If we really knew for certain, then maybe we would not fear?

Fear of pain is the greatest motivator. Man will do much more to avoid pain than he will to gain pleasure. Do you feel that there is pain on the other side of death?

Your description of Set made me immediately think of Eve. I see him as an Eve like being. Eve was a side of Adam. She was taken from him. Adam is a combination of earth (dust) and sky (spirit), and so is Eve. Now, I suspect you probably won't agree with this, but HaSatan in my mind is also feminine. His origin was in YAH. He came forth from YAH originally, as did Eve from Adam, as Lucifer, and then he became HaSatan through a bursting forth, a violent beginning, as did all the other rebellious. So, you views about Set have some basis in fact. The fundamental issue among the gods is the ability to reproduce. HaSatan cannot reproduce, and neither can any of the others. Only YAH can reproduce. So, both HaSatan and Set are the last of the Mohegans so to speak.

You are right about keeping the Law of YAH. He wants us to keep His Torah because we agree with it, but one can also keep it because you basically have a great fear of YAH and His wrath. That's ok with Him. Either way, His Law is kept.

Does Set have any issues against the Torah of YAH?

Sincerely, Spying

[Bratu McCaskey]

Hi Spying

Well my views of my enemies or people in general is that i give them the benefit of the doubt to begin with. I treat them as i would want to be treated with respect if i can. However once they disprove this i no longer give them that benefit of the doubt. I don't have any compunction to. It is my feeling that some people just won't get along no matter what so i do all a favor and just don't pay attention to them. No need to get in a tiff about it just let them lie so to speak. I agree experience can make us greater than we are. But at what cost is the issue. Sometimes it is experience that tells us some people just aren't worth the time.
Death is the great unknown because there is only one way to know for sure and that is to die. You can comfort yourself all day long by saying what will happen after death but there is no guarantee. My feeling is that the day i am going to die is the day i am going to die and there is nothing i can do about it. So i don't worry about what comes next because it is my next step. If i follow my heart now and try to better myself accordingly then i feel that i will reach the end that i seek. I think death is another experience because in some respects we all die many times before we are put in the earth or burned.
Interesting fear of pain is the great motivator? How about those of us out there who a lust of a insatiable appetite for pain is the motivator and not the fear of it? I think that life continues on the other side of death. It is like Wensday you get there and then you get to the other side it is different but it is still the same week. Pain is temporary.
I always thought of Satan as kind of like God both were neuter. Not really either way. Truthfully as far as a basis in fact i am not sure that i believe that there is such a thing as religious fact. Because it all about the unseen not the seen. My facts of religion are from my experience with Set. All people have a different version of the creation of man and so forth. I think that the Christian/Judaic is just another version. No more founded or realistic than any other. Granted this lumps mine in there as well however my personal experience is where i draw my conclusions from. I don't necessarily that Yah or God or Jesus or Yashua aren't real. They just aren't my God or Gods. All people have a Patron, or Matron God for that matter, and that is the one who is their proprietor. I follow mine you follow yours. I do think that other Gods can reproduce however. See the thing is though that Satan or Lucifer refering to them as the same, aren't the same as Set. They have their place in the workings of Christian and Judaic. They have been associated with others but no necessarily the same thing. There are Gods who are the same but that association is based on a closer reality. The association of Set and Satan was made later by the Greeks who didn't understand Set. They also got the Reader's digest version of him that had 3000 years of bad influence of the Osiris cult.

That is one thing i have a problem with. If the only reason you follow something is because you are afraid then i don't see that as really following as much as paying lip service. It like keeping your bases covered just in case. And that is no motivator for a religious founding. Believe because you believe not because you are afraid. My survival instinct is very strong but so are my principles. And unless i see a plan or reason in the future i would rather die than give up and survive.

Set doesn't have a problem with the Torah or the bible but a problem with its uses. And many times the people behind it. It isn't His book. Some of the morals i agree with. So there is that.

Bratu