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**Thummim** · 02-11-2002, 10:20 PM

The name of YHWH

...Israelthebride,

27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Nu. 6: 27 KJV

27 Thus they shall link my name with the people of Israel, and I will bless them. Nu. 6: 27 JPS --> literally linked to the sons of Israel {bani Israel, --> Israel's sons}

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...(*One such son, whose name is link-able, is Yahudah, {YHWDH}*) The name of Israel's Eloheem is YHWH. The fourth letter of the Hebrew aleph-bet separates these two names. (*fourth son, fourth position in the name, fourth letter*)

Thummim; to complete or make whole {Strongs 8550}
Urim, the (lights) of the heavens, as the promised seed of Abraham is to be like. This is the line of shem (*the name*)

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10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of YHWH (LORD?); and they shall be afraid of thee. Deut. 28: 10

5 But unto the place which YHWH your {*God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there*}, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come: Deut. 12: 5

9 Why shouldest thou be as a man astonied, as a mighty man that cannot save? yet thou, YHWH, art in the midst of us, and we are called by thy name; leave us not. Jer. 14: 9

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 02-12-2002, 09:32 AM

SHEM

I LOVE you, my Friend.
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MIKAHAEL=Who is like ELOHIM?

I believe:
HIS BODY!!!
HIS ONE!!!
HIS MESSIAH!!!
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I believe:
ELOHIM came as MESSIAH Y'SHUA

I believe:
YHWH
as human with HIS LAW (the SHIN) in HIM
YH-SH-WH
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YHWH, art in the midst of us, and we are called by thy NAME; leave us not. Jer. 14: 9

WE are ONE!!!

**Thummim** · 02-12-2002, 11:37 AM

What is in a name?

...Israelthebride, I thought that I had made the argument, that YHWH is not a man. Neither can the messiah be a GD. All Yahudeem bear the name of YHWH. YHWH carries his people, himself. Like Yahudah does, (gives birth to the sons of Israel), YHWH also gives birth to the sons of Israel. Isa. 48:1 {Yahudah gives birth} --> Isa. 46: 3, 4 {YHWH gives birth} {*who is mama?*} The same author wrote both of these verses of text. Twenty-six verses separate these two statements. If Yeshua is a son of YHWH, then all Israel must share the same relationship to their Eloheem. (sons of the living Eloheem) Through the name of (*Yahudah-YHWH*), all the seed of Israel are the sons of YHWH and all are to be found righteous. (Isa. 60: 21) Righteousness is a quality of the name of YHWH. YHWH takes all of his people to himself, through his own name, and wraps them about himself as a girdle. (Jer. 13: 11) YHWH is a name. It is never preceded by the Hebrew letter (hey), which isn't used to proceed a name. The lack of the hey tells us that under the letters which are mistranslated as (the LORD), is really a name. This name is never to be misused. As Prov. 18: 10 tells us, the name of YHWH is a strong tower in which the righteous seek shelter. This name makes the throne of David different from all other thrones. It also makes the faith of the JEWish people, different from all other faiths.

24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and (*in my name shall his horn be exalted*).

...Davids strenth is the throne of his birthline, and the name that goes with this throne. Ps. 89: 24

--> 36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there. I Ki. 11: 36

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, (*The mighty God*), The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, (*upon the throne of David*), and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

...What happens if the name of YHWH is forgotten by YHWH's people?

20 If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; Ps. 44: 20 They didn't stretch out their hands to a strange GD, but? ---, I don't think that the JEWish people fully forgot the name of their Eloheem, they just lost some of the significance of the name.

...There is a breach that occurs in the 38th chapter of Genesis. The owner of the red thread should have gotten the blessing. Perez, whose name means "breach", was born first. But the firstborn shouldn't have this blessing. The line should belong to the owner of the red thread. The owner of the red thread, can cover all JEWs with his thread. This thread will cover a lot of nakedness, if the people forget the name of their GD. This would be a better path for the JEWish people to take, than any path that the christians suggest they follow. The christians would find themselves in the same place that they put the JEWish people into. The JEWish people would be delivered through the name of their Eloheem. The christians may have one JEWish body that bears the name of GD, to squeeze into. But every JEW would have as much as all christians together can claim of the name of YHWH. After all, they each bear the name of YHWH.

The LORD hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee; Ps. 20: 1

Save me, O God, by thy name, and judge me by thy strength. Ps. 54: 1

...What christians don't like doing, is acknowledging the name of YHWH. You see, it isn't their name. The last thing that christians want, is what they gave the JEWish people. Unless the stone that blocks the path of the JEWish people, is moved out of their path, as the text commands (Isa. 57: 14), the christians will be crushed by the name of Davids rock, which is Yahudah! (Ex. 28: 21)

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 02-12-2002, 12:34 PM

YHWH

You are right that ISRAEL is covered by HIS NAME, but it is not the Jews, just because they are Jews.

ISRAEL is YHWH's PEOPLE. Everything YHWH says is LAW.

I believe that if I turn to YHWH and follow HIS COMMANDS and adjust my life to HIS WAYS which is including HIS SALVATION, because HE is the ONLY SAVIOR, I AM HIS PEOPLE.
I AM HIS PEOPLE, not by the blood of man, but by the WORD of YHWH and HIS PROMISES.
No man by "his own birth" is of YHWH. Only the ONEs who submit to HIS WAYs and HIS LAWs (Genesis to Revelation).

The Tribes under Ephraim were scattered throughout the "unbelievers". I believe that I can claim being of this blood with as much proof as a person who claims to be of Judah or of Abraham's blood. No one can prove that they are direct descendants of Abraham. No one can prove that they are a descendant of the PEOPLE of ISRAEL by blood.

Only YHWH knows where HIS CHOSEN BLOOD is.
And in all FAITH in my GOD, YHWH's LOVE and GRACE;
I claim to be HIS PEOPLE and of HIS CHOSEN BLOOD.
I will not call myself a "christian" or a "jew"!!!
I will call myself
SON of YHWH!!!!!!!
SON of ISRAEL!!!!!!!
ONE in HIS BODY!!!!!!!

WE are ONE!!!

**Thummim** · 02-12-2002, 08:01 PM

Saving souls?

...Israelthebride, can you make a case for saving souls, from the pages of the tanakh? Your kind of salvation, is not what is spoken of, inside the pages of the tanakh. YHWH saves the lives of his people. He doesn't save their souls. If you can get by the idea of a saved soul, than you can see how a name can define a people. The name of Yahudah, defines the house of David. The name of YHWH, defines the house of GD. These names are interconnected. There is no racial JEW. JEWs are JEWs by name and traditions. One is not JEWish for being a christian. And christians gain no right to the name of the JEWish soul, by anything that their faith commands. One becomes JEWish, by becoming a part of the JEWish peoples. There is nothing racial about being JEWish, and no JEW needs to prove his or her race, to become JEWish. The JEWish people weren't racially pure, even in the time of David. Now, this being expressed, my comments on the name of YHWH stand and can be searched out by anyone. If you want to be a JEW, than don't become a moslem, a budist or a christian. The JEWish people inherit a very good name, from their faith. They all stand before their Eloheem, whether good or bad, on judgement day. Christianity saves souls. We JEWs do not.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 02-13-2002, 01:38 AM

Define

I am really enjoying this discussion. Thank you, MICHAEL.
My name is RICOEL and I am glad that you exist.

First of all, I will only accept definitions directly from the COVENANT BOOKS. (TANAKH, TORAH, etc.)
I will not accept what others have accepted "to mean" or what it has begun "to mean".
YHWH's WORD is consistent and will not change. I will accept definitions directly from HIS WORD.
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Maybe you should define, for me, what "Jew" means to you.
To me a "Jew", from reading the TANAKH and the TORAH, is a person from the Tribe of YEHUDAH and/or the country of Yehudah.

Throughout the COVENANT BOOKS, YHWH's PEOPLE are called ISRAEL. It is not until EPHRAIM and the Tribes under EPHRAIM are sold off and scattered among the "unbelievers", that the history continues with the Tribes of YEHUDAH and BENJAMIN. These two are what is left of YHWH's PEOPLE in the COVENANT BOOKS' history after the Dispersion of the Ten Tribes.

Whenever the term "Jew" is used in the TANAKH and/or the TORAH, it is to identify one from the Tribes of YEHUDAH and/or BENJAMIN.
Even throughout the Prophets, YHWH speaks of the Two Houses. The House of ISRAEL and the House of YEHUDAH and how these Two will become ONE.

Now, the definition that I understand from the TANAKH, is that Jews are from the House of YEHUDAH. Again, I will not use or accept any other book to define YHWH's TRUTH.
Only YHWH's WORD.
Only YHWH's TRUTH.
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Jeremiah 31:31 "The time is coming," declares YHWH,
"when I will make a new COVENANT
with the HOUSE of ISRAEL
and with the HOUSE of YEHUDAH.
32 It will not be like the COVENANT
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
they broke MY COVENANT,
though I was a HUSBAND to them, "
declares YHWH.
33 "This is the COVENANT I will make with the HOUSE of ISRAEL
after that time," declares YHWH.
"I will put MY LAW in their minds and write it on their hearts.
I will be their GOD, and they will be MY PEOPLE.

35 This is what YHWH says,
HE who appoints the sun to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar--
YHWH ADONAI is his name:
36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight," declares YHWH,
"will the descendants of ISRAEL ever cease to be a nation before ME."
37 This is what YHWH says: "Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of ISRAEL
because of all they have done," declares YHWH.
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And from the COVENANT BOOKS: If you ever decide that I am an outsider, an alien, and I can't have the same rights as any SON of ISRAEL.

LEV 19:33 " `When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. LOVE him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I AM YHWH, your GOD.
LEV 19:35 " `Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight or quantity. 36 Use honest scales and honest weights, an honest ephah and an honest hin. I AM YHWH, your GOD, who brought you out of Egypt.

In other words, use the same measures for me that you use for yourself.

NU 9:14 " `An alien living among you who wants to celebrate the YHWH's PASSOVER must do so in accordance with its rules and regulations. You must have the same regulations for the alien and the native-born.' "

NU 15:13 " `Everyone who is native-born must do these things in this way when he brings an offering made by fire as an aroma pleasing to YHWH. 14 For the generations to come, whenever an alien or anyone else living among you presents an offering made by fire as an aroma pleasing to YHWH, he must do exactly as you do. 15 The community is to have the same rules for you and for the alien living among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the alien shall be the same before YHWH: 16 The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the alien living among you.' "

EZE 47:21 "You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the Tribes of ISRAEL. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born ISRAELites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the Tribes of ISRAEL. 23 In whatever Tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares YHWH.

ISA 56:1 This is what YHWH says:
"Maintain justice
and do what is right,
for MY SAVATION is close at hand
and MY RIGHTEOUSNESS will soon be revealed.
ISA 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
the man who holds it fast,
who keeps the SABBATH without desecrating it,
and keeps his hand from doing any evil."
ISA 56:3 Let no foreigner who has bound himself to YHWH say,
"YHWH will surely exclude me from HIS PEOPLE."
And let not any eunuch complain,
"I am only a dry tree."
ISA 56:4 For this is what YHWH says:
"To the eunuchs who keep MY SABBATHs,
who choose what pleases ME
and hold fast to MY COVENANT--
ISA 56:5 to them I will give within MY TEMPLE and its walls
a memorial and A NAME
better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an EVERLASTING NAME
that will not be cut off.
ISA 56:6 And foreigners who bind themselves to YHWH
to serve HIM,
to love the NAME of YHWH,
and to worship HIM,
all who keep the SABBATH without desecrating it
and who hold fast to MY COVENANT--
ISA 56:7 these I will bring to MY HOLY ONE
and give them joy in MY HOUSE of PRAYER.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for MY HOUSE will be called
a HOUSE of PRAYER for all nations."
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This is my part in HIS BODY:

ISA 56:8 YHWH declares--
he who gathers the exiles of ISRAEL:
"I will gather still others to them
besides those already gathered."

HOS 1:10 "Yet the ISRAELites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted.
In the place where it was said to them,
`You are not MY PEOPLE,'
they will be called `SONs of the LIVING GOD.'
11 The PEOPLE of YEHUDAH and the PEOPLE of ISRAEL will be reunited, and they will appoint ONE SHEPHERD and will come up out of the land...

WE are ONE because YHWH says so.

**Thummim** · 02-13-2002, 10:00 AM

Conversion shows peoples, to be different peoples.

...Israelthebride, Conversion is something that is recognised by christians, as something to do to JEWs. In this idea, christians identify the JEWish people as separate from themselves. In other words, christians recognise that JEWs are not christians. I easily acknowledge that many people throughout history, have chosen to be JEWs. Choosing to be JEWish, is not choosing to be christian. These are separate faiths, one of them beliving that most JEWs are "lost" under the rules of their faith. I believe in the name of YHWH, that it is a family name created for its people by its Eloheem. JEWs do not need to have their souls saved. They need to search out righteousness. What becomes of the JEWish soul, is the concern of YHWH. Were it not for christianity spreading the idea that the JEWs killed the messiah, the son of god, or GD manifested in the flesh, the JEWish people would have had a much better life here on this earth. If you want to curse a peoples, you go after their name and defile it, as christianity has done to the JEWish people. Any assault upon the name of the JEWish people, is an assault upon the name of YHWH, which JEWs "bear" as shown in the words of the tanakh. The charges that are spoken against the Israelites are finished when they come out of Babylon with the holy vessels, and go return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. From this point on, YHWH promises to never again be angry with his people. (Isa. 54: 7 - 10) There are many verses that seem to grant a blanket righteousness to YHWH's people, in the book of Isaiah. It doesn't mean that the people will never again offend their Eloheem. He will simply move his law into the inner workings of the heart, as you spoke by the words of Jeremiah. Christians don't like to grant any righteousness to the JEWish people upon their leaving the captivity of Babylon. YHWH's people become righteous, when YHWH no longer charges them with unrighteousness. It is YHWH that defines what righteousness is. Unrighteousness is offending him. The faith of christianity has made the JEWish people guilty of killing their messiah. Yet, only the fewest of this people even heard of (jesus) in the time that he lived. If there is to be a messiah for the JEWish people, he will be a blessing to them and their defender. He could not be the messiah, and at the same time be a curse to the people he comes to aid. He must play one side or the other. As to the term, (JEW), it was first used by the Romans. The term used for the JEWish people in the tanakh, is Yehud or Yahudeem. This term comes from the word, (Yahudah). In that Yahudah gives birth to his own brethren, (Isa. 48: 1) the term now fits all the sons of Israel, who spring forth from the Yahudeem. The Israelites are gathered to the Yahudeem. They will never be a separate people again. The Yahudeem are growing as a people, even though those who claim to be christian, have constantly attacked their numbers, in their assault of this peoples.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 02-14-2002, 02:05 AM

You are confusing the TANAKH terms and titles.
ISRAEL is the Twelve Tribes all together.

The only times the TANAKH mentions the words WE translate into "Jew" and/or "Jews" is in Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Jeremiah, Daniel, and one time in Zechariah.

In every instance, that "Jew" and/or "Jews" is used, it is made clear that it is the people of the Tribes of YEHUDAH and BENJAMIN.
The TANAKH is precise when YHWH's PEOPLE are called ISRAEL and when they are called Jews.
If you read the COVENANT BOOKS, you will find that when YHWH uses the title ISRAEL, HE is talking about HIS PEOPLE as a WHOLE PEOPLE.
And when YHWH uses the title Jews, HE is talking about HIS PEOPLE of the Tribes of YEHUDAH and BENJAMIN.
Don't confuse how the world uses the titles ISRAEL and Jews with how YHWH uses those titles.

It does not matter how this world understands ISRAEL and/or Jews.
What matters is how YHWH uses these terms.
HE is the precise ONE!!!
YHWH uses these terms correctly!!!

You speak, in your reply, about how the Jews have suffered and I agree with you.

But, if I claim to be of the Tribe of EPHRAIM, I have to look at what the Jews did to the people of the Ten Tribes under EPHRAIM.
The Jews sold their brothers out to be scattered among the "unbelievers" and forgotten. Families were separated from each other and the peoples were placed in lands of "unbelievers".
And if you say that it was because of their sin, you are saying the same thing Job's comrades say and what the world says about the Jews.
And if you say that it is not the fault of the Jews of today, then you are saying the same thing this world and it's people are saying, "It does not concern us today."

YEHUDAH and BENJAMIN sold out Ten Tribes of ISRAEL -
millions upon milloins of YHWH's PEOPLE.

As time went on the Ten, themselves, have forgotten who they are.
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Habbakuk 2:2 Then YHWH replied:

"Write down the revelation
and make it plain on tablets
so that a herald may run with it.

In the Mesoretic and Dead Sea scrolls the word for "tablet" in Habbakuk 2:2 is the same word used for "stick" in Ezekiel 37.

Now, listen, my Friend;

EZE 37:15 The word of YHWH came to me: 16 "Son of man, take a tablet of wood and write on it, `Belonging to YEHUDAH and the ISRAELites associated with him.' Then take another tablet of wood, and write on it, `EPHRAIM's tablet, belonging to JOSEPH and all the HOUSE of ISRAEL associated with him.' 17 Join them together into one tablet so that they will become one in your hand.

EZE 37:18 "When your countrymen ask you, `Won't you tell us what you mean by this?' 19 say to them, `This is what YHWH says: I am going to take the tablet of JOSEPH--which is in EPHRAIM's hand--and of the ISRAELite Tribes associated with him, and join it to YEHUDAH's tablet, making them a single tablet of wood, and they will become one in my hand.' 20 Hold before their eyes, the tablets you have written on 21 and say to them, `This is what the YHWH says:

"I will take the ISRAELites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of ISRAEL. There will be ONE KING over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be MY PEOPLE, and I will be their GOD.

EZE 37:24 " `My servant DAVID will be KING over them, and they will all have ONE SHEPHERD. They will follow MY LAWS and be careful to keep MY DECREES. 25 They will live in the land I gave to MY SERVANT, YA'ACHOV, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever, and DAVID, MY SERVANT, will be their PRINCE forever. 26 I will make a COVENANT of PEACE with them; it will be an everlasting COVENANT. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put MY HOME among them forever. 27 MY DWELLING will be with them; I will be their GOD, and they will be MY PEOPLE. 28 Then the nations will know that I, YHWH, make ISRAEL HOLY, when MY HOME is with them forever.' "
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There is ONE Jew who came for "the Jew first" according to DANIEL's prophecy.
Now, it is the time for the LOST TEN!!!!!!!!!!

Zechariah 8:23 This is what YHWH ADONAI says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, `Let us go with YOU, because we have heard that GOD is with YOU.' "

WE will be ONE because YHWH says so!!!

**Thummim** · 02-14-2002, 10:32 AM

Judah gives birth.

...Israelthebride,

Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are (*come forth out of the waters of Judah*), ...

...How does Judah give birth to his brethren? Could it be that the scattered tribes of Israel must return to Judah?

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5 But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come: Deut: 12: 5

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67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:

68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.

69 And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever. Ps. 78: 67-69

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...Judah is the chosen tribe, chosen to bear the authority of YHWH, when it comes to building a nation out of Jacobs seed. There is never a time of Ephraim, that discludes Judah. The kingdoms divide, but the gathering of Israel must be a gathering to Judah. It is to Judah that the brethern are to be gathered.

So the priests, and the Levites, and some of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, dwelt in their cities, (*and all Israel in their cities*). Ezra 2: 70

And when the seventh month was come, and (*the children of Israel were in the cities*), the people gathered themselves together as one man to Jerusalem. Ezra 3: 1

And offered at the dedication of this house of God an hundred bullocks, two hundred rams, four hundred lambs; and for a sin offering for all Israel, twelve he goats, (*according to the number of the tribes of Israel*). Ezra 6: 17

21 And (*the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity*), and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the LORD God of Israel, did eat, Ezra 6: 21

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I make a decree, {the king} that (*all they of the people of Israel*), and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellors, to inquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which is in thine hand; Ezra 7: 13, 14

...Can there be any doubt, that all Israel was included in this decree? You see, there is not a separate time given for the gathering of Israel. Israel is gathered to Judah. Yahudah gives birth to his brethren as the prophet declares.

---->Israelthebride writes,

But, if I claim to be of the Tribe of EPHRAIM, I have to look at what the Jews did to the people of the Ten Tribes under EPHRAIM.
The Jews sold their brothers out to be scattered among the "unbelievers" and forgotten. Families were separated from each other and the peoples were placed in lands of "unbelievers".
And if you say that it was because of their sin, you are saying the same thing Job's comrades say and what the world says about the Jews.
And if you say that it is not the fault of the Jews of today, then you are saying the same thing this world and it's people are saying, "It does not concern us today."

...Do you understand, that it was Pekah and the king of Damascus, who had become confederates, that Ahaz feared. He was afraid that he was not strong enough to defeat them together. It is concerning this time, that Isaiah asks the King of Judah to ask for a sign.

8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and (*within threescore and five years*) shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.

9 And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son {Pekah}. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.

10 Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying,

11 Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.

12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.

13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, (*a virgin {maiden} shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel*). In other words, GD is on your side! The child is born in the next chapter.

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of (*both her kings*).

Now how is Judah guilty of assaulting Ephraim? It is YHWH that decides Ephraims fate. Judah has several more kings to go through before it goes into captivity. You really can't believe that I do not know the difference between Judah and Israel (all tribes) or Ephraim (the tribes separated from Judah)? Judah is a tribe that bears GD's name. The king of this tribe finds authority through the name of YHWH.

Joining the tribes together, begins with Israel as gathered to Judah in the time referenced above, with others gathered to him in the future (the JEWish people being at the core, with a king on Davids throne. (-it will happen) Christianity, who has defiled the name of Yahudah, {-->making the JEWs seem like a people who would kill the messiah} is not a replacement for Ephraim. The JEWish people are growing in number, even now.

...I hope that I have made a complete reply to your post.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 02-14-2002, 02:12 PM

I know you, My YEHUDAH

In the "churches" I have been to, they questioned my putting the TWO Books of the COVENANT as ONE BOOK. I questioned the things they weren’t doing.

There are things in the First Book of the COVENANT that were not being followed by the "new testament churches". I was told that those were things followed by the Jews.

The only Jews I had read about, in the COVENANT BOOKs, were from the Tribe of YEHUDAH and/or the country YEHUDAH. YHWH's PEOPLE were called Hebrews and/or ISRAEL. The Jews were the of the Tribes of YEHUDAH and BENJAMIN after the exile of the Ten Tribes under EPHRAIM.

They told me I was a "gentile". In the COVENANT BOOKs, "gentiles” were unbelievers. I AM a BELIEVER.

They told me I was not a Jew and that I shouldn’t follow OLD COVENANT ways.
I AM not a Jew. I AM not a gentile.
I AM a SON of Abraham ------- a SON of YHWH.

I was told the "church" had it's own celebrations. Many were not in the COVENANT BOOKs.

YHWH’s SPIRIT, in me, decided to follow HIS WORD.
Some people said that I was following the YHWH’s WORD too literally.
I wanted to.

In my house, we follow and celebrate what YHWH says because we are SAVED by HIM. YHWH is our GOD and we follow no one and nothing else.
LITERALLY!!!

Isaiah 45:17 But ISRAEL will be saved by YHWH with an everlasting SALVATION; you will never be put to shame or disgraced, to ages everlasting.
ISA 45:18 For this is what YHWH says—HE who created the heavens,
HE is GOD; HE who fashioned and made the earth, HE founded it;
HE did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited--
HE says: "I AM YHWH, and there is no other.
ISA 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, from somewhere in a land of darkness;
I have not said to Jacob's descendants, `Seek ME in vain.'
I, YHWH, speak TRUTH; I declare what is right.
ISA 45:20 "Gather together and come; assemble, you fugitives from the nations.
Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood, who pray to gods that cannot save.
ISA 45:21 Declare what is to be, present it--let them take counsel together.
Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past?
Was it not I, YHWH? And there is no GOD apart from ME,
a RIGHTEOUS GOD and a SAVIOR; there is none but ME.

ISA 45:22 "Look to ME and be SAVED, all you ends of the earth;
for I AM YHWH, GOD, and there is no other.

1Samuel 15:29 HE who is the GLORY of ISRAEL does not lie or change HIS MIND;
for HE is not a man, that HE should change HIS MIND."

Psalm 119:89 YOUR WORD, YHWH, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens.
PS 119:90 YOUR FAITHFILNESS continues through all generations;
YOU established the earth, and it endures.

Proverbs 30:5 "Every WORD of YHWH is flawless;
HE is a shield to those who take refuge in HIM.
PR 30:6 Do not add to HIS WORDs, or HE will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

In my house, WE are SAVED!!! WE follow YHWH’s WORD!!!
YOU are HIS PLAN in YOUR LIFE and those around YOU.
Read HIS WORD and Find YOU!!!
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Thummim says:
"Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are (*come forth out of the waters of Judah*), ...

...How does Judah give birth to his brethren? Could it be that the scattered tribes of Israel must return to Judah?"

What YHWH's HOLY SPIRIT has revealed, to me,
is that WE are re-born through MESSIAH and
WE will go back to the land where YEHUDAH is living at this time.
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I agree that the majority of the "christianity" beliefs are way off and away from YHWH's WORD. The YESHUA and HOLY SPIRIT, I read of in the COVENANT BOOKS are not the same ONE I see in their "churches". They have made their jesus more of a "greek" god.

They teach that one will be fine and does not have to follow YHWH's WORD. They teach that their jesus has done all the laws, so they don't have to. I heard one christian say that the law was nailed to the tree. They teach that you can have faith in what you feel is right.

I believe that YHWH is my SALVATION. (my YESHUA) HE has SAVED me and now I follow HIS WORD because I AM.

In the christian churches, they celebrate anything they want in what they call the HOUSE of GOD, but they will not celebrate YHWH's Festivals, which HE said are HIS FESTIVALS and that they will be celebrated forever.
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I believe in MESSIAH YESHUA, but not in the jesus the churches are celebrating. He is not the same one from the COVENANT BOOKS. YESHUA said that HE came to complete the LAW, not to change it.
The churches have created their god and their god's word is whatever one picks and chooses from YHWH's WORD.
That is so Frightening!!!

My YEHUDAH, I have found you.
I will claim that I AM from the Tribe of EPHRIAM and that YHWH is my GOD. I know that YEHUDAH is the main Tribe.

EPHRAIM will be coming HOME to the land, in YHWH's TIMING.

I really love what WE have discussed in this post.
My Friend, your words and your ideas have "sparkened" HIS SPIRIT in ME. Please continue. Don't quit.
Even if WE disagree, I know WE can be debators for life.
You are my Challenge, My FRIEND.
You will make my life sharper. Thank you.
Ricoel

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What is a Jew?
Is a Jew a Jew because one is born a Jew?
Is that Jew YHWH's PEOPLE because that Jew is born a Jew?

That would mean tha YHWH has CHOSEN PEOPLE that don't even want to follow HIS WORD.
Jews, that call themselves YHWH's CHOSEN PEOPLE, and do not adjust their life to and follow YHWH's WORD, sound to me like Christians that say that they are the CHOSEN PEOPLE and do not follow HIS WORD.

Jews and/or Christians are not YHWH's PEOPLE, if they are not inhabited by YHWH's SPIRIT that naturally wants to follow YHWH's WORD.
Both Jews and Christians believe that YHWH's SPIRIT can and will inhabit ONE.

YHWH's SPIRIT is HIS LAW!!!

Jeremiah 31:31 "The time is coming," declares YHWH,
"when I will make a new COVENANT
with the HOUSE of ISRAEL
and with the HOUSE of YEHUDAH.

32 It will not be like the COVENANT
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke MY COVENANT,
though I was a HUSBAND to them, "
declares YHWH.

33 "This is the COVENANT I will make with the whole HOUSE of ISRAEL
after that time," declares YHWH.
"I will put MY LAW in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their GOD,
and they will be MY PEOPLE.

There is not one human that can call oneself the CHOSEN PEOPLE,
just because one was born.
All humans, whether Jew and/or Christian,
have to accept and submit to YHWH's SPIRIT-------HIS LAW!!!!!!!

YHWH's time will come:
When YHWH calls HIS TWO WINESSES to HIM. (REV 11:11-12) The TWO Olive branches, the "ANNOINTED ONES", that stand before the LORD of the Earth. (ZECH 4:11-14, REV 11:4) The TWO Branches that used to be ONE. (JER 11:16-17) The TWO that will be ONE. (ZECH 4:11-14, ROMANS 11:17-21,24) The TWO WITNESSES are TWO "PEOPLES" (Two groups of people) (Read Ezekiel 37)
The Two WITNESSES are
The HOUSE of YEHUDAH and the HOUSE of ISRAEL

Revelation:11:12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
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Whether Jew or Christian,
all must submit to YHWH's WORD and WAYS
through HIS SPIRIT in US!!!

WE will be ONE because YHWH says so!!!

**Thummim** · 02-15-2002, 09:31 AM

The Only Linkable Name!

...Israelthebride, I believe that the name of a person/peoples is where the soul lives. Each name has different luggage to carry. Ones fate is closely tied to ones name. If you're born a JEW, it in some way speaks of your fate. No matter what name you will belong to, your heritage is in some way determined by your name. A good name is precious ointment. A good name is shelter from the storms of life. Being born a JEW is being born under the curse of christianity. It has already been determined that a JEWish person is guilty of Messiah-cide. This is what I mean by luggage. The JEWish people are given a burdon to bear that is injust. All names have baggage to carry. It's better to be an American in this world, than to be a member of a lesser nation. In any country, Americans are viewed differently from other peoples. When a moslem (not an American moslem) sees one of us, they see through a haze that they have learned. We are filtered through this haze. What we are is predetermined by the culture that is viewing us. What is a JEW? It depends on who is describing a JEW. A moslem and a christian will each describe something different, as well as divisions within both faiths, see through differing shades. I see JEWs by the name of their Eloheem. Yahudah is the name that the letters of {YHWH}, come from. The fourth letter of the name of Yahudah, need only be removed. The connection between GD and his people is maintained through a name. In truth, it was an author(s) that chose this relationship and inhanced upon it in the pages of the tanakh. If we are defined by our names -{are you going to a chinese heaven?}- ,then our lot in life may require the redemption of our name. I'm wondering how many christians would be willing to curse the name of YHWH, the way they have cursed the name of Yahudah {JEW}. The name of GD is the true key to understanding the tanakh. There is only one seal upon the book. It is removed by learning the name of GD. And as I've said, the JEWish people really bear the name of their GD. {to the very letter} The lot of the JEWish peoples, changes when the true name of YHWH is revealed. Now if only the worlds people can learn that the JEWish people are as genetically diverse, as are Americans, then a very big part of christianities curse against the JEWish peoples will be removed. (-->the JEWish race???) This leaves only the name of YHWH to make charges against.

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(*Therefore my people shall know my name*): therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. Isa. 52: 6

1 Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence,

2 As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, (*to make thy name known to thine adversaries*), that the nations may tremble at thy presence! Isa. 64: 1-2

10 And all people of the earth shall see that (*thou art called by the name of the YHWH*); and they shall be afraid of thee. Deut. 12: 10

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one YHWH, and his name one. Zech. 14: 9 ,{YHWH, the only name}

-->Thus they shall link my name with the people of Israel, and I will bless them. Nu. 6: 27

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 02-16-2002, 12:25 PM

ISRAEL

MICHAEL,
I think WE agree on one thing.
That ISRAEL, the Twelve Tribes, are YHWH's PEOPLE.

I believe YHWH's WORD and have adjusted my life and my family's life to HIS WORD.
YHWH's WORD says that HIS PEOPLE, ISRAEL, will come to HIM.
The Twelve Tribes are under all HIS COVENANTS.

Please read:

One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the BRIDE, the wife of the LAMB." And he carried me away in SPIRIT to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from YHWH. It shone with the GLORY of YHWH, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the NAMEs of the Twelve Tribes of ISRAEL. There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west.

This is in the last BOOK (Revelation 21:9-13) of what I believe to be the complete BOOK of YHWH's LAW (Genesis to Revelation).

All the BOOKS in the COVENANT BOOKS, claim that ISRAEL is YHWH's PEOPLE.
The problem is that the BOOKS are read with "belief screens".

Belief Screens are:
I am going to read this in "my belief"
and it will fit.

I believe YHWH's WORD (Genesis to Revelation)
to be complete TRUTH.

If I read anything in HIS WORD that does not fit
and/or go along with something else in HIS WORD,
I am not listening to HIS SPIRIT
and I am reading and interpreting HIS WORD wrong.

From Genesis to Revelation there is
ONE GOD
ONE SPIRIT
ONE PEOPLE
ONE PLAN
ONE IDEA
ONE BEGINNING
ONE END

Nothing else-------Nothing less!!!

When YHWH reveals what HE is doing to ONE,
that revelation is an invitation to join HIM in what HE is doing.

**Thummim** · 02-17-2002, 09:52 AM

One

ONE GOD
ONE SPIRIT
ONE PEOPLE
ONE PLAN
ONE IDEA
ONE BEGINNING
ONE END

Ricoel, I believe in one Eloheem, and in one people, in YHWH's family, which keeps growing with new adherents. But the people who enter this family, need to love the name of Yahudah. They need to want to be attached to the people, that YHWH has separated from this world to be his own people. I've tried to explain that {Yahudah} can give birth to Israel, just as {YHWH} can.

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26 Blessed be he that cometh in the (*name of the YHWH*): we have blessed you out of the (*house of the YHWH*). Ps. 118: 26

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...This name is very important to the faith of the JEWish people. It is not, just a name. It is like the name that goes on a Kethubah. {a marraige licence} This name exists cover to cover, throughout the tanakh. But christians write {-->LORD}. They do not understand, that they leave the faith of Moses, when they do this. Through the name of YHWH, there is attachment. Christians like to believe that salvation belongs to the name of (jesus). {Acts 4: 12} But there can be no other name, but YHWH, for the JEWish peoples in which they can seek salvation, according to what is written in the tanakh. As I've said, YHWH is a family name, which is not to be replaced by any other name. I believe that the name of YHWH, touches YHWH and his people, always.

...On {one} spirit, I cannot quite agree. YHWH may be a (WE, or an US). The image of YHWH's people, may be his own image. The text does seem to say this. The spirit comes from YHWH, than at the end of its days, it returns to he who gave it. The true nature of YHWH, we still don't know.

...One plan, one idea? YHWH is not that simple. Who can say what YHWH's plan is, or why he would have only one idea to go with it?

...One beginning, one end? Unfortunately, we being mortal are unlikely to ever see too either side of the creation, to confirm the beginning, or the end. The best we can do is speculate that all came from a quantum singularity, which began as nothing, (without having law as its guide), and will end in nothingness, as all matter decays.

...By the way, the answer to Jeremiah's riddle is one! There is only one star, and all stars are a part of the original star. There is only one grain of sand, and all grains of sand are a part of the same grain of sand. The answer, if answerable, would have to be either a one or a zero. One is the number for YHWH. Zero is nothing, and nothing would not be existance, so how could it be the answer.

....Michael

**israelthebride** · 02-18-2002, 02:29 AM

WE may come to agree

MICHAEL,
I agree that HIS IMAGE is US, HIS PEOPLE, ISRAEL.

I agree that it is sad that the christian translations changed YHWH to LORD.
I read some Hebrew and what I have been able to read has changed my life and my relationship with YHWH.
I would like to find a "literal" trans-literal TANAKH to show the world YHWH's TRUE WORD.
Even if it didn't make sense in English when it was literally translated from Hebrew WORD for WORD.
The only, supposedly, trans-literal book I have found turned out to be a Hebrew manuscript with the new king james version written underneath the Hebrew script. It wasn't a true literal translation.
So much of YHWH's WORD is lost, I believe, in the traslations.

We agree in that YAHUDAH will give birth to ISRAEL in that the only KING of ISRAEL is of the Tribe of YAHUDAH in the line of the Family of DAVID.

I know WE agree that not all christians are true followers of YHWH, but I don't agree that a Jew is of YHWH's PEOPLE just because he calls himself a JEW.
Not one Jew, today, can prove that he/she is of the bloodline of the ISRAEL of YHWH. To be a Jew is how one lives.
In fact the first Followers of YASHUA called themselves Jews. These Jews said that they were of the line of YHWH's ISRAEL.

I, also, don't agree that Jews are a race of their own. That goes against YHWH's WORD.
You lived a certain way to be of YHWH's ISRAEL.
Even if you were born of a family of ISRAEL,
if you did not live YHWH's WAY, you were not of ISRAEL.

WE should not use definitions of this world.
WE should use definitions that go along and/or
go with YHWH's WORD.
We should not give in to the ways or opinions of this world.
If WE do our "differentness in YHWH" disappears.

Be ISRAEL in YHWH.
Be ISRAEL in mind.
Be ISRAEL in SPIRIT.
Be ISRAEL in living.
Be ISRAEL in all things.

YHWH is the INITIATOR.
HE chooses, HE LOVEs, and HE reveals.
All WE have to do is accept HIM and HIS WAYs and listen.

YHWH will move in this world.
The problem is that HIS ISRAEL will not move with HIM.

YHWH did not create US for a certain time.
HE created US for eternity.

LOVE,
RICOEL

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